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While I've never done a Fanpost before I comment daily and you all know who I am and how I feel about my team.  I thought this would be as good a time as any to do my first.  This is a direct response to some comments targeting not the Oakland Raiders team or the organization (aka: Al) but it's fanbase.  I noticed a lot of trash-talking back and forth from both our own S&BP posters and AP posters coming over which really doesn't bother me since it is a rivalry and we all understand the ramifications of this weekend's outcome.  However I started noticing not only from AP but other individuals commenting on the fact Oakland is having difficulty selling out tickets for the 12th straight game in a row.  One of our own players called out the fans by saying he won't answer any media questions until we sell out a game.  I cannot argue as we can attribute it to him being a passionate player and also the fact he is a rookie who probably isn't familiar with the region or it's typical everyday fan's financial situation.  Then came a post from the Field Gulls blog.

This is where I felt the need to respond. 

The post in a nutshell basically mocked the fans and their failure to afford to go to games and also went as far as to comment on how foolish the fans are with their spending.  This is nothing more than a bitter attempt to bash a community after their team failed to report to a game at 1:15 local PT on 10/31/10.  Everyone is aware of the economic struggles the entire country is going through right now and it's obvious the Oakland area is not an exception.  I am not going to talk about the city's cultural significance or it's historical relevance because I don't live there.  I've never been to Oakland as a matter of fact therefore it's not my place to do so and also someone who lives and breathes the city can do it much better than I can.  If I was to guess the only other NFL city I could compare it to would be Pittsburgh.  It is a working class town and doesn't have much else to latch onto since the Pirates haven't been relevant since Roberto Clemente passed away. 

Oakland fans were such a national inquiry that HBO had a Tom Hanks narrated documentary on the Raiders, Athletics and the Warriors significance to the community during the mid-70s.  I am sure Oakland Raider fan would justify being able to come out to the games regularly and budget their pay checks week to week and sell the Coliseum out if they had a winner every year.  At 4-4 many of the fans are like me and realize it's too soon to invest too much right now when you have other bills to pay.  The reason the Steelers always sell out is because they have had perrenial success even before winning two Super Bowls in the last four years.  Or maybe some fans are just banning ticket sales until they are assured Al has finally seceded control of the organization as punishment for the seven years of futility and the ticket prices continuing to soar north.  Maybe the fans were so accustomed to greatness during the 70's and early 80's and are still bitter about the move to LA that they choose to not go see a lesser product by comparison.  The fact the NFL has given the organization an extension to sell this game out speaks volumes to how huge the game on Sunday is.

The only reason I wanted to respond is to just talk about you, the Raider Nation.  You all like I have been through the good times and the bad.  You were there just like me in your living room watching Jeff Hostetler find James Jett in the corner of the end zone with zero seconds left which forced overtime versus Elway and ended up clinching a home wild card game the following week.  You were there when the team came back to Oakland and listened to how lovingly John Madden talked about how good it is for the Raiders to be back where the mystique was born.  You were there through the Mike White and Joe Bugle years, the Gruden and Callahan era, the Andrew Walters, Aaron Brooks, the bed and breakfast coordinator and the Jamarcus experiment. 

My point is there is no argument.  This is the most passionate fan base I have ever had the pleasure to be a part of. I can't speak for the Red Sox Nation or the 12th man (rolling eyes) but I can say that barnone.  Also while I may be on the fence on how good the 2010 Oakland Raiders are, I am not about this blog.  Silver and Black Pride is the best sports blog on the internet and no one can take that away from you.  The personalties are like this country, diverse.  Fans like myself from West Texas, from Puerto Rico, or even stubborn old mules from Canada (I say that with as much affection as possible LADP, :), to even Patriot/ Raider fans and of course those who reside in the heart and represent every week through it all in person keep representing by continuing to be outcasts and misfits.  The team may not be described that way anymore but it's fans are truly in a league of their own. 

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Good post

I posted something similar for RoMac’s words about attendence. I live in Florida, so I can’t get to the home games. Unless we get a Monday Night Game next season. I’ll break the bank to get there for that. I do make it to all the away games in Miami, Tampa, and Jax. Raising hell in my Bo throwback and Captain Spalding mask.

by golfswithglock on Nov 5, 2010 9:18 AM PDT reply actions  

This is trivial and irrelevant to the game being played Sunday.

Don’t know why someone would bring up blackouts.

I eat nails for breakfast, tacks for snacks, and I sh*t nickel.

by SupremeChief on Nov 5, 2010 9:28 AM PDT reply actions  

This is not about the game being played Sunday

It’s about an attack on the Raider Nation fan base by people who don’t know shit about it and an attempt to try to explain it to you.

JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!

by rambis64 on Nov 5, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

You obviously missed my point.

I don’t know why someone would bring up blackouts in any discussion as it doesn’t pertain to the game. So, whoever brought it up shouldn’t have used it as an insult. Are we clear now?

I eat nails for breakfast, tacks for snacks, and I sh*t nickel.

by SupremeChief on Nov 5, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I understood. And when it comes to trashtalk, I must admit I did a lot on Kansas and their fans. I do not apologize. It’s football.

Hippy/Raider fanatic.

by JaKe. on Nov 5, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry if I misunderstood your meaning

It sounded like you were saying this post was irrelevant.

JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!

by rambis64 on Nov 5, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

When the bell tolls, I get the best thrill running through me. When the game is over and we win again, that's the best feeling

Food stamps for tickets??!!!!!!
Food stamps for tickets. thats right , in an effort to sell out the coliseum ownership has allowed for oakland residents to use food stamps to purchase tickets. Way to go Oakland you might have a full house for the first time in nearly 3 years. Good luck with your parole officer this afternoon. See you at the game!!! If you get released in time. KC19 OAK9
by The Blaster on Nov 5, 2010 9:20 AM PDT reply actions

I love my Nation! comprised of members who’d rather watch Oakland beat hell out of KC than eat. Best fanbase on earth.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Nov 5, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Nov 5, 2010 11:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Holy crap I didn't even know about that!

That is pretty cool that the organization would allow that in my opinion.

"I didn't fail the test, I just found 100 ways to do it wrong"
- Benjamin Franklin

by TAW on Nov 5, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

There's no way this is true ...

It’s totally illegal, the organization would never do this.

That was a troll post.

by Brett J Valjalo on Nov 5, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lol now I feel like a dumbass assuming this could possibly be true!

Great retort Sons!

"I didn't fail the test, I just found 100 ways to do it wrong"
- Benjamin Franklin

by TAW on Nov 5, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

typical chief troll creativity

they have no crime, no poor, no icky minorities or bad neighborhoods, and all their children are above average

i’d rather live in a cardboard box in california

by lchristmas on Nov 5, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

preemptive self-reply

OMG YOU LIVE IN A CARDBOARD BOX HAHAHA HOAP YOU DONT GET STABED ON YOUR WAY TO PICK UP YORE WELFARE CHECK I NOW WHY NO ONE GOEZ TO RAIDER GAMEZ THERE ALL IN JAIL

/ chieffan

by lchristmas on Nov 5, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL!

"I didn't fail the test, I just found 100 ways to do it wrong"
- Benjamin Franklin

by TAW on Nov 5, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's one for you

YO DAWG I’MA MESS YOU UP YOU STUPID QUEEFS FAN I BET UR INBRED AND DON’T READ GOOD. I BET YOU WISH YOU COULD BE DOWN LIKE US BUT YOU ALL IS JUST TOO BIZZY BEIN FARMBOYS AND LUZERS.

/raiderfan

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Nov 6, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

nice!

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Nov 9, 2010 5:13 PM PST up reply actions  

We have many young players who respond to fan support. Our fan's affect them noticeably, strengthening their will

The noise made for SD 48.5K and Seattle 35K was amazing; imagine the decibel-level Sunday. None of us will be able to speak Monday … just write.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Nov 5, 2010 11:54 AM PDT reply actions  

I talk a lot of trash. Especially when it comes to rival week, but I also try to keep it friendly. Only to the ones to do the same though.

Hippy/Raider fanatic.

by JaKe. on Nov 5, 2010 2:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Great post TAW!

Like you, I live a great distance from Oakland (I’m in Chicago) so it is difficult to make the trip to catch home games. I live vicariously through those who do make it. I look forward to the day that those of us on S&BP can all catch a game together. I know that even though we may argue about the organization, players, plays, what have you, we all have each other’s backs when it counts. That is a Nation brother!!!

Don't shoot, I'm a man.

by Rusty23 on Nov 5, 2010 2:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks for proving my point Sons!

And I hope that we can make it this season.

Don't shoot, I'm a man.

by Rusty23 on Nov 5, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's made good on that offer several times

and I, in accepting!!!! We will unite and prevail!!!!! Raiders will down the Steelers once again! We will be in rare, fully loaded form! I can’t freaking wait!!!! I could barely sleep last night still!

Okay, breathing….

GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Nov 9, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks Rusty.

"I didn't fail the test, I just found 100 ways to do it wrong"
- Benjamin Franklin

by TAW on Nov 5, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of blackouts...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsKqX_JcZcA

"I didn't fail the test, I just found 100 ways to do it wrong"
- Benjamin Franklin

by TAW on Nov 5, 2010 4:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Ditto on the Post, Taw !!!!

And from 1 long time fan, who got his 1st season ticket at the age of 16, and even though I didn’t buy season tickets, when they move back from LA, considering the price of tickets on the 40 yard line, the(what was that bs called) license Fees, But was still buying 4 to 6 tickets every game up until 06, when the level of play just got down right ugly!!! We pay damn near the highest ticket price, in the league, and I hate to say it, until this year, it hasn’t been worth it for the causual fans !!! And you can’t blame them. Right now personally, I can’t afford all the games !!!
Good Coaching, along with good management decision making, has made it easier to sell tickets. We’ve always have had decent talent on the field, just no damn direction, as you listed, above TAW. With the appearance of stability, finally, and playing for something, other than the #1 pick in the Draft., you can see what’s possible !!!

by papabegood on Nov 6, 2010 2:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Great post.

Like many of you, I don’t live in the Bay Area – in fact, I live on the other side of the Pacific (Sydney, Australia) but on game day I wear my worn old Rich Gannon jersey and, whatever happens, get drunk afterward in celebration.

I’ve attended one game at the Coliseum in my life, as well as a Raiders/Dolts game in San Diego – both of which we lost, but to me, being there was everything.

"I hate to recommend drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson.

by Screwfish on Nov 6, 2010 3:04 AM PDT reply actions  

Very nice post man. :)

Unfortunately I live in New England, and I am unable to go to any raider games. Hell, I hardly EVER go to pats games. But I can say this: Which stadium would I rather be in?

I truthfully would rather be in the coliseum. It seems MUCH more alive and exhilarating, and I’ve been to Gillette before a couple times.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Nov 6, 2010 11:07 AM PDT reply actions  

A truly well written, exceptional post

Rec’d (although I’ll take it back if you don’t want one from a Chiefs fan).

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Nov 6, 2010 5:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Coming from a Chiefs fan who sounds educated I appreciate it. /JK

Thanks for the kind words and good luck in your personal life and future endeavors.

"I didn't fail the test, I just found 100 ways to do it wrong"
- Benjamin Franklin

by TAW on Nov 7, 2010 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome post

I’d sell my car for season tickets including roundtrip airfare for 8 weekends to see my beloved Raiders. But I do need it for those 2 1/2 hour drives for work. And my car is pretty sweet. I might just get a 3rd job for those tix.

"God will understand. And if he does not understand, then he is not God, and we need not worry." -Orlando Bloom, Kingdom of Heaven

by angelesoterica on Nov 7, 2010 6:48 AM PDT reply actions  

You can set money aside. :)

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Nov 7, 2010 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

My bills>my paycheck

Roundtrip from Spokane to Oakland 8 weeks+Season tickets are out of my price range. Though it might be a nice present for my bday *cough*hint*cough* I doubt it happens this year. Maybe next year.

"God will understand. And if he does not understand, then he is not God, and we need not worry." -Orlando Bloom, Kingdom of Heaven

by angelesoterica on Nov 8, 2010 6:51 AM PST up reply actions  

great post TAW!

I have seen 4 Raider games in person 3 at home and 1 in SF all of which we won! but that was a while ago! Now I am no longer in CA living in exile in Ohio! ugh Bengals fans! shudders but through it all I know how hard it is because the ticket prices are truly outrageous! and unfortunately there is not a single damn thing we can do about it!

"Just Win Baby" is not a philosophy, it is a way of life!

by Ra1derRob67 on Nov 7, 2010 7:59 PM PST reply actions  

Raider Nation no boundaries...

Great post from a Raider Nation brother….I grew up in the east bay watching since 1979. For the last 2 years, living half way across the world in Vietnam\Asia, I still haven’t missed a game. (Thank goodness for NFL GamePass.)
Real, passionate Raider fans are everywhere and no matter where we go or what we do, we’ll always be part of the Raider Nation.

by anhdazman on Nov 9, 2010 12:22 PM PST reply actions  

I live in El Paso.

We are sometimes not recognized by the rest of Texas since it is the most western point right on the border of Juarez, MX and Las Cruces, NM and also because it is a mostly hispanic and liberal town for the most part. I was a fan long before but since Thomas Howard and Johnnie Lee Higgins were drafted I’ve always supported both even after their roles have decreased.

"I didn't fail the test, I just found 100 ways to do it wrong"
- Benjamin Franklin

by TAW on Nov 10, 2010 7:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Since both are originally from here at UTEP.

I’m not a Laker fan but heard Derrick Caracter is playing well in a limited role. Good news.

"I didn't fail the test, I just found 100 ways to do it wrong"
- Benjamin Franklin

by TAW on Nov 10, 2010 7:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Did I see chief fans sitting in the black hole?

Did I see chief fans sitting in the black hole last game or was it my imagination?

by EmptySpent on Nov 9, 2010 1:48 PM PST reply actions  

Friends & relatives From Kansas City !!!

The only way they got in there, and they had a Ball !!! One flipped and bought Raider Gear, before she left !!!!!!

by papabegood on Nov 9, 2010 8:00 PM PST up reply actions  

It's about time, TAW!!!!

Keep ‘em coming man! Rec’d!!!!!

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Nov 9, 2010 5:18 PM PST reply actions  

Nice Fan Post.

Oakland bashing is all the rage. Even in the area.

Usually the folks doing the bashing reveal more about their character than about Oakland. Most of the negative comments reveal people who are trying to make themselves feel better by attacking what they think are weaker people. Because they perceive Oakland as a poorer and browner community they toss around pejoratives or code words for the hate that goes along with that mentality. Unfortunately some of us buy into a little bit of that mentality. Instead of just shrugging it off as them being the fool, we react with more anger than is necessary.

Seattle is a nice town and I could live there if I wanted. Great fans as well. And if they had one or two Super Bowl Trophies – Seattle fans might be more interested in discussing Xs and Os. But until they do we are just going to have to accept that some of their fans have got nothin’ in the debate so they have to fall back on personal insults.

Times are indeed hard and getting my season tickets was a bigger decision this year. Being 5 and 4 makes it a lot easier to justify. Hopefully the team can keep improving and more fans will come to realize the joy that comes with sharing a Sunday in the House of Thrills. Sell-outs are more fun for everybody.

Not to disagree completely with your Pittsburgh analogy, because I believe the majority of Steeler Fans are actual fans who struggle just like we do to come up with ticket money, but there is also a fairly large business/corporate community in Pittsburgh and if you want to shine and make that big deal you have to have some tix for the Steelers.

In the Bay Area that same glamor all goes to SF. Luxury boxes and great seats are very valuable to the financial and corporate groups and most of those are centered around the city of San Francisco. Sure there are die-hard 9er fans who love their team through thick and thin but their are also a lot of business people who hang on to their season tickets and keep renewing them regardless. Companies I have worked for have all had 9er season tickets for the executives and in the bad years all the admins and mail room folks would get to go to see the Falcons or Browns in great seats.

I remember, back in the seasons that got them Alex Smith, the 9ers had a game against Green Bay. It was another of their consecutive sell-outs but the stadium was 30-40% cheese-heads. Sure a couple of folks brought their neighbor who had moved from Wisconsin but a lot of those season tickets were not being used by 9er fans.

One thing I love about being a Raider Fan is that it is a universal symbol. I always throw a Raider sweatshirt or T in my luggage when I travel. Paris, New York, Albuquerque I always run into another Raider Fan and instantly have something to talk about and share.

Fortunately or unfortunately, for the Raiders, winning is more important than it is for the teams in other markets. So… Just Win Baby!

One Nation, Indivisible

by Bill_Section147 on Nov 10, 2010 12:15 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd.

"I hate to recommend drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson.

by Screwfish on Nov 10, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

if we beat the steelers im punching our ticket to the afc championship this season

the raiiiidas

by batman14 on Nov 12, 2010 8:21 AM PST reply actions  

Working teacher here

They don’t pay us enough and certainly not enough for me to go to more than two Raiders games a year. I make it out to what I can, especially since true Raider football is back!

TAW is right about most stuff.

The RAIDER NATION is the ONLY NATION!!

by oaklandSMASH on Nov 12, 2010 9:58 AM PST reply actions  

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