Never Say Die: Raiders Beat the Odds and the Chiefs
by Rich Langford on Nov 8, 2010 12:15 PM PST
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Caution: If you have a weak heart, please consult a doctor before watching Raiders-Chiefs.
That game was exhausting. It's been so long since the Raiders have played meaningful games, I have forgotten what it was like to watch one when there was anything at stake. This game being a health risk went beyond it's impact in the standings though.
This was the Chief and it was also one hell of a wild ride--a wild ride that put my personal safety in danger. Due to the stupid NFL rules, the game was not broadcast on TV here (Seattle area), because the networks can't broadcast against the home team. This means I had to go to one of the fine local establishments in the area. Two actually, a halftime mojo switch was necessary.
As the second half wore on and the action intensified, it was impossible for me to not start cheering. The surrounding Seahawk fans were in a less than jubilant mood as their injured team was getting trounced 41-7 and here I was doing cartwheels for the team that had just, the week before, injured and embarrassed them. I managed to escape bodily harm, but only because the patrons don't have that head exploding Scanners psychic power.
Enough about their pity party, because we are rolling in good times.
This was a game the Raiders had no business winning. Take a look at AdvancedStats win probability chart. I'd post it, but I am too stupid. If anyone figures it out or knows how to let me know.
After McFadden's fumble the Raiders only had a 16 percent chance of coming back. As the Chiefs were in the redzone to close out the first half, the Raiders only had a 10 percent chance of coming back and the lowest point was actually after Jamal Charles first down run late in the 4th quarter with the Chiefs up 20-17. At that point, the Raiders only had a 9 percent chance of coming back.
And these numbers do not take into account the Raiders injuries. Think about it. The Raiders were without their starting QB (I know this is debatable, but still Campbell came into the game as the backup), their top two leading pass catchers, their best player, Nnam and then they lost their first and third leading tacklers during the course of the game. It's amazing really. Then combine this with the fact that they have been without their most talented WR and best run stuffing DT and you have a team that was battling without 8 out of 22 starters.
The Chiefs on the other hand were without only one player. Amazing! The Chiefs and their fans should be really disheartened. They just blew a gifted opportunity to take this division by the balls.
Some thoughts on the game a little later. Stupid work is really interfering with my Raiders addiction. This is 2010 for crying out loud. People really need to be more tolerant of the disease that is addiction.
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however slim of a chance, they pulled it out
and just seem to be able to win
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
I thought it was a good display of giddieness
Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you.
-The Rapist
by Rich Langford on Nov 8, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
I hear you dude
I got school work bogging me down otherwise I would be reveling in victory, probably for the duration of a couple days. Speaking of old rivalries renewed, I can’t wait for our next game with the Steeltown Yellowmen. Another game where two teams who used to be arch-rivals decades ago now play a meaningful game. Sound familiar? Add to that the fact that we helped contribute to their late season slide last year with a heart-breaking gut punch come-from behind win. Can’t wait.
What did i tell you...didn't I say they would win? Yeah that's right I did didn't ? Wait.. what? They LOST?!?!?
loved that barnes TD. I played O Line and when the fat boys get the ball its special
by bigpimpin on Nov 8, 2010 12:33 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
That was great!
And for the record, I predicted it in the seer thread. Toot toot…that’s the sound of my own horn.
Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you.
-The Rapist
by Rich Langford on Nov 8, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
C’mon, noon. You’re one of the sane people here. Jason is the starting QB untill he proves otherwise.
Hippy/Raider fanatic.
I was only referring to his position on the depth chart.
Plus, saying the Raiders did that with their backup QB only makes it seem better for the Raiders and lamer for the Chiefs.
Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you.
-The Rapist
by Rich Langford on Nov 8, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
Is it possible to be lamer
than a Chiefs fan?
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Nov 8, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
Aside from J.C. having a sub-par game at best, and Cable going crazy throwning the red flag in 1st half, we still pulled out a big win. Jocoby “mutha-fuckin the man” was a freakin amazing thing to watch. WOW! What a spark plug was he. D###, once again did a great job. C.J. made a few mistakes, but all-in-all did a decent job on coverage.
3 more divisional win & the AFC West is ours. WOW!
Death is coming for everyone, and that makes living fun.
That's not accurate.
We can go 6-0 in the division and still lose. I remember the first year we won the division under Gruden. We were 12-4 and Denver swept us, had the better division record and finished 11-5. We need to focus on each game from here on out as a must win. First Pittsburgh, then Miami. Also for as crappy as they have looked whale’s vag is only 4-5 and a game behind us after beating two teams we already lost to in conference. We need to get healthy and keep grinding.
"I didn't fail the test, I just found 100 ways to do it wrong"
- Benjamin Franklin
by TAW on Nov 8, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
Great Article, but ...
Sorry, late getting to read up. Enjoy the way you write, but any indication that this was a victory gained by theft is totally without merit. If anything, the game was almost stolen by the Chiefs via the atrocious blown fumble call. The Raiders won for one reason, and one reason only, they earned it. May not have been a real pretty win, but they certainly showed that the team can rise to the occasion, despite injuries, bad calls and, of course, the penalties. They made the plays that had to be made when they were needed. Said it before the season started — and the fact that they’re actually doing it only makes it that much more enjoyable — this team is capable of beating any other team in the league. The talent is there, a real nice mix of capable veterans and young raw enthusiasm. The more the Raiders gel, particularly on pass play offense and defense against the run, the more it becomes probable that they will be entering the playoffs this year, and with a bang. I love Raiders football, and I’m simply ecstatic about the fact that it is back. GO RAIDERS!!!
Great points
And I wasn’t trying to say the Raiders didn’t earn it as much as they had no business winning it. Which I didn’t make very clear with the title. There were just too many things going against them. All of which points towards, like you said, them gelling.
Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you.
-The Rapist
by Rich Langford on Nov 8, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
Here is the AdvancedStats graph in question
This took some doing, as I had to screencap it, crop it and then upload to Imageshack, but here it is for everyone to view:
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Ha I still would have no idea how to do this!
Thanks for posting. I love that line falling off of the cliff right at the end. Hahahaha take that Chiefs fans. Form 91 percent chance of victory to a loss in about 2 minutes.
Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you.
-The Rapist
by Rich Langford on Nov 8, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
THOSE OF YOU OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER
the great Raider teams of the past know that what we saw yesterday was not that unusual. Those teams thrived in the midst of chaos. They not only thrived, they used all the hatred, shitty calls, and overabundance of penalties to fuel and motivate them. It earned them a reputation as a bunch of bad ass smash mouth players. This years team is starting to develope that same style of play. The Last time the Raiders went to the Superbowl they started the season 4-4. Its early still, but yesterdays win was a step in the right direction.
+1
(AMEN!)
member of the Raider Nation since 1968......(Heidi Game!)
by TheAutumWind on Nov 12, 2010 8:22 AM PST up reply actions
Don't like this post's Title at all. We own most of the stats that matter and were screwed by the refs. Our D fought
valiantly throughout and the O game alive in the 2nd half. We stole nothing.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
most definately!
if we stole anything from anyone it was stealing our defeat from the ref’s they did everything to make us lose and we shoved it up their asses!
"Just Win Baby" is not a philosophy, it is a way of life!
by Ra1derRob67 on Nov 8, 2010 9:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
In retrospect, the title is misleading.
I should’ve given it a more proper name. I was only thinking in terms of the odds of them pulling out a win. They were fighting a stacked deck all game. It was not to suggest that they didn’t deserve it or play hard enough or got lucky…only that they defied the odds and logic of the situation. A true sign that our Oakland Raiders are 53 different collection of bones, sinew, heart and soul that combine to make one bad motherfucker of a team.
Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you.
-The Rapist
by Rich Langford on Nov 8, 2010 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
isn't that what the Raiders have ALWAYS been?
a team that defies convention and the odds? the up against the wall and come from behind to win no matter what it takes team? we have always had shitty calls from the refs and have always had to face the toughest competition from our rivals! hell every team in the league does their best to take down the Raiders just to shove shit in our faces! they all hate us and we just take their abuse and tell them FUCK YOU BUBBA! SILVER AND BLACK FOR EVER! that is how it has always been and likely always will be! But WE the true fans of Our Beloved RAIDERS! will ALWAYS be there for our TEAM!
"Just Win Baby" is not a philosophy, it is a way of life!
I wouldn't have it any other way!
Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you.
-The Rapist
by Rich Langford on Nov 8, 2010 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
The only thing we gain and showed yesterday.
Was that our defense actually played for 60+ minutes of sound hard nose football. When in the past would have given up due to bad officiating, inept offensive play.
Anyone can be a fan of a winning team, supporting your team when its down is what makes you a true honest fan.
Well, McBroken showed again that he is a top flight RB who delivers pain when finally brought down and that Veld is playing
like a veteran and, for that matter, our O-Line can block anyone going forward and that our STs are getting better and more consistent. And that Seymour is back in his Pro-Bowl form, and that Matt Shaughnessy is an elite DE, and that we have good depth … and that Hue is getting better and that Marshall is not regressing and that Cable is becoming a respectable HC and that most of Al’s draft picks come around … but not all of them.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Nov 8, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
And that
This team is playing as a unit with everyone believing that they can win and then doing what they need to to make it happen. I’m surprised by comments that downplay the significance of yesterdays game. Raiders version 2010 are not perfect, but they are legitimate. They may not have a bunch of probowl caliber players on their team but they are playing their hearts out and getting it done.
by Bedlam on Nov 8, 2010 9:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
That's the synergy of individuals playing as a unit and that is a reflection of our coaching. Cable has certainly come
a long way from last season. Indeed, he is not a competent OC but he is a leader of men and his press conference after the came was, perhaps, the best he’s ever given; he was very poised and self-possessed and, most significantly, impressed me with his focus on getting better and his conviction that we are a playoff team.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Nov 8, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
Our Beloved Raiders
are coming together as a team! they are proving to everybody in the world that they are BACK!!!! I still say dhb sucks and needs to be sat down and Ford started! I also think it’s time for you SOB to start thinking about a new name for DMC cause he doesn’t look McBroken to me! I’m just saying think about it I admit he still has more to prove but I think its time to start thinking about it.
"Just Win Baby" is not a philosophy, it is a way of life!
My dear Friend, please understand that the name, McBroken, is in no way derogatory (I have great respect for Darren)
but rather, this is the name that the good doctor, our respected site physician, LAP has bestowed on DMC, under the unconscious influence of his sacred Hippocratic oath, as a talisman, or more post-enlightenmently, homeopathically, to ward off injury!
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Nov 8, 2010 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmmmm
Maybe we should all call him McBroken? nah I like Run DMC or just DMAC better! but I do understand you are not being derogatory and that it is a term of endearment so perhaps I am wrong about a new name. I certainly dont want to screw up anything that is working! and I have a great deal of respect for both you and LAP both of you have very good insight about Our Beloved Raiders!
"Just Win Baby" is not a philosophy, it is a way of life!
Lately, I just call him McFucking Bad Ass
Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you.
-The Rapist
by Rich Langford on Nov 8, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
Chaz is the one who needs homeopathy now ... where is that Tanguery sodden Doc?
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Nov 8, 2010 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
We could have traded or signed someone, anyone that could have helped instead of that glass bitch.
Al should be a shamed he didn’t retire the #81 after Timmy Brown and allow the anti-Tim Brown wear it. He should have been cut or placed on IR months ago.
"I didn't fail the test, I just found 100 ways to do it wrong"
- Benjamin Franklin
by TAW on Nov 9, 2010 7:27 AM PST up reply actions
Chaz? who is this Chaz you speak of?
we havent heard from him nor have we seen much of dhb and honestly I dont care! so far the only receivers that have impressed are Miller and Ford! I think they need to watch some old Raider games and watch the Raiders of old playing hurt and with broken bones and still trying with all their heart! they need to look at Otto and see the HOF player he was! and while they are at it they need to watch Blanda’s 1970 “miracle” games! and see what a 43 yr old QB/Kicker could because he had HEART! They need to think about Fred Biletnikoff and all the years he gave this team as a WR and a WR Coach!
"Just Win Baby" is not a philosophy, it is a way of life!
Right. But consider our situation at WR, I love the speedy sure handed smurfs and a large leaping target like Chaz would
complement the passing attack and give Jason a larger target – especially across the middle. If Chaz can play and stay healthy for the next 8 or 9 games, I say hang onto him.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Nov 9, 2010 7:30 AM PST up reply actions
Put a Fork in him
Chaz is done. If and when he comes back, it is very doubtful that he will be the same player he was before his injuries. If Ford can keep making circus catches we don’t need any addional recievers. I think that Ford, Murphy, Miller and 3 running backs who can all catch the ball and pick up a chunk of yards after is more then enough to give defensive units and their coordinators fits.
You saw TO carry the Bengals last night? A big VJ or TO receiver is invaluable and Schilens is that when healthy
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Nov 9, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
You said It
A 100% healthy Chaz would be invaluable. I am just very doubtful that he can ever be 100% again. If I’m wrong fantastic, put him in the lineup and let’s keep kicking ass. If I’m right then I still think we can dominate teams. The Raiders won on Sun, the Bengals lost despite their two big receivers.
by Bedlam on Nov 9, 2010 2:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The Bungles bungled it. They had the ball on Pittsburgh's 17 with 20 seconds and what, did Palmer look to TO
who had 10 receptions, mostly in the 2nd half? No, he threw to a scrawny Bengal and hit him right in the numbers but the scrawny Bengal got hit and cost them the game. Moral of the story: throw to the big strong fast soft handed playmaker with red hot hands. Fuckheads.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Nov 9, 2010 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
lol true Sons....
But in the last three years how many games has that been?? Really, he is a very talented guy that does not play due to injury, what good is a guy like that to the Raiders? We all thought back to the Moss debacle when TO was available…wow what a mistake that was not to give him a shot…..VJ was there for the taking (hopefully we will take a shot at him as a free agent next year) This team is lacking a solid veteran presence at WR this year and it shows in games. the young guys have stepped up at times but their play is very inconsistent. JLH is a non-factor, Murphy, DHB and now FORD are pretty much it. I think they need to try and get Miler (Nick) more involved and I believe that he could develop into a “Welker -type” of possession receiver, but none of these guys are what I would call a solid “go-to” veteran WR.
member of the Raider Nation since 1968......(Heidi Game!)
by TheAutumWind on Nov 12, 2010 8:35 AM PST up reply actions
That's a mighty big IF SOB
we have yet to see him this season! he got hurt in what? preseason play? and we havent seen him since? WTF is that? I understand your position but perhaps we should have gone for TO when he was available? and I also have to agree with Bedlam that Ford, Murphy and Miller and 3 RB’s who can all catch is gonna get the job done. I think right now the real question is will he get healthy?
"Just Win Baby" is not a philosophy, it is a way of life!
Assbag? Really? That's the best you got?
Your cronies at Arrowdead Pride may take kindly to spammers but we don’t play dat shit ’round hea.
It’s starting to become a major annoyance. But I prefer that beibeibei bitch to an over-abundance of Chiefs fans any day of the week.
Heads by the score take flight incite a war
Chicks hit the floor, diehard fans demand more
Behold the bold soldier, control the globe slowly
Proceeds to blow swingin swords like Shinobi
Stomp grounds and pound footprints in solid rock
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by Raider Zealot on Nov 10, 2010 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
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