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Zebras: A Trip to the Zoo

This crew was so pathetic, they needed their own post.

The Refs

  • Let's just start with the ugly. This game needed refs to ref the refs. And just like that last sentence, the biggest problem in this game was too much f'ing reffing. Bad calls are one thing, but the disorganized gaffes are another.
  • They let a play run as a fourth down play, even though it was a first down play and then they changed it back after that 4th er uh 1st down play was run. Confusing, yes, but it didn't need to be. Everyone knew what was going on except the refs.
  • In the NFL, once a play is run, the previous one becomes etched in stone--except for this game, because this was not the only instance of the refs changing it after the fact.
  • They reviewed Jacoby Ford's first down catch after they allowed the Raiders to spike and kill the clock. I went back and reviewed and you do not hear a whistle until after that ball is snapped. This is an insanely bad job by the Zebras.
  • The influence of certain crews.
  • There were the bad calls...lots of them and they were on both teams. My point is to not point out individual bad calls, but what is really beginning to stick out is the basketball effect.
  • In basketball, you can often determine a winner by the crew reffing the game. I am not going to talk about bias here, but just the styles. Some refs call a tighter game than others. Well, I have noticed this in Raiders games. Some refs throw the flags in the secondaries much quicker than others. Refs that let the DBs play are always going to benefit the Raiders. Compare the calls in the Chiefs and Chargers game vs the Seahawks game. You wouldn't even think they were using the same rule book.

For all of the mistakes the refs made, some of them naturally balanced out. For example:

  • At the end of the first half Stanford Routt was called for questionable holding on a 3rd and goal stop. This actually ended up saving the Raiders 3 points. The Chiefs likely would've converted the FG had that flag not been thrown and instead the possession ended in a INT.
  •  The review of Jacoby's third down catch after the Raiders had run a play actually ended up giving the Raiders an extra time-out.

Stupid Rules:

  • What the hell was the call on Sam Williams for excessive celebration? You can't have two players jump into the stands after a TD? That is actually a rule? "You can only have one player celebrate with his fans after a TD." My God, who comes up with these and how many different anti-celebration rules are there? What are they trying to prevent with this one? There are so many questions here. I bet the person that sits and around and comes up with these rules is a real bundle of joy. Rule 18.9 subset 4.2-6a: A player scoring a TD can give 5 high fives, but players who did not score TDs may only give 3. Get over it, NFL.
  • Also Williams didn't even jump into the stands, he just jumped into Ford! 
  • The Replay Rules: It's time for a tweaking. The rules, as they are set up, make coaches gage how they will challenge a play in regards to how bad the officiating is. Cable, who won his first challenge, shouldn't have to worry about challenging a borderline call in the first half, because the refs are sucking so bad he is likely going to need the challenge later. Even if he had got that challenge he only would've been awarded one more. It seems to me that teams shouldn't lose anything if the refs keep missing calls.
  • Maybe replays should just go back to the booth. Take Nick Miller's "fumble" play. The refs spent enough time discussing it. It was obvious they would've benefited from replay and I don't think it would have taken any more time, but this play couldn't be challenged, because Cable had already pointed out one bad call and missed on another. Stupid, stupid rule. The point of replays is to get big plays right and that my friends was a big play. Had the Raiders not won, this play would've got its own post (probably lots of them).

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i am in favor of the college system

you have an extra official in the booth (preferably one under 75 years old) who buzzes the ref on a questionable play… whether the stupid hood would be necessary or whether the guy upstairs just makes the call is a matter of preference

the whole challenge system is lame – at the very least you should get 2 UNSUCCESSFUL challenges per game.. why do you have to “use one up” if it was the awful refs’ fault?

by lchristmas on Nov 8, 2010 2:25 PM PST reply actions  

Horribly officiated game

Damn near ruined what was otherwise a great game. These guys were involved in the game so much there were 3 teams playing out there. I swear these guys alone added an extra hour to the game. Luckily when it came down to it, the players (namely Jacoby Ford) made the plays, so we’re not talking so much about being screwed. I hope this crew never works another one of our games, just pathetic overall (a point I’m sure both sides would agree with).

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by S Jay Bruin on Nov 8, 2010 2:35 PM PST reply actions  

Honestly, the Oakland PD, or even the BART police (sans firearms) could have called a far better game. In fact, maybe

having some of them on the scene to arrest (with prejudice) a ref occasionally for a criminal call would help.

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by Sons-of-Blanda on Nov 8, 2010 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought that was strange that he lost all his challenges when he won one and lost only one to my knowledge.

I really wish the refs would be held accountable for their incompetence. The play in which Moeki caught the 1st down and they said it was 4th down when everyone watching in the stands and at home knew it was 1st was ridiculous. Say what you will about the Routt holding pen in the end zone but that was horrible and also as mentioned by Solomon Wilcotts on the telecast Routt should have been penalized for dropping the INT. Also the Ford 1st down was just plain dumb. At least it gave the team more time but a really poor call. I would be for college replay rules as long as they kept the stoppages to a minimum and didn’t meet for a good ten minutes to figure out exactly what is being challenged.

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by TAW on Nov 8, 2010 2:42 PM PST reply actions  

This is the Brave New World with Goodhell the architect of Political Corectness with undercurrents of "Football is too violent"

as their insidious agenda and the Raiders per se are dangerous and must be kept down.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Nov 8, 2010 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Noontide i know what you mean that the Nfl reffing is becoming like basketball reffing.

As a Laker fan when i see Joey Crawford i know its gunna be a long night..but back to football…We won inspite of bad reffing which is refreshing, but still, i dont care to see the officials more than the players

I want to be the modern day version of Super Mario Brothers!!! Dont care for *shrooms*, but would love to *get large* and *spit fire*...unless im constantly told "thanks, but your girl is in another castle". That would rate a 8.9 on the ole *Suck-ometer*!!!

by Kobe Won Kenobi on Nov 8, 2010 2:53 PM PST reply actions  

great call

yeah if it wasn’t for the refs; the lakers would not be champs.The officiating in that last game was awful and proved it doesnt matter what a team does on the court bcause the refs have the winner picked before the opening jump.

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by the world of oak on Nov 8, 2010 2:58 PM PST reply actions  

To World of Oak..

uhm..08 Finals?? do you even remember that?? How bout the freethrow discrepency against oklahoma, and Phx? True winner win inspite of bad officiating.

I want to be the modern day version of Super Mario Brothers!!! Dont care for *shrooms*, but would love to *get large* and *spit fire*...unless im constantly told "thanks, but your girl is in another castle". That would rate a 8.9 on the ole *Suck-ometer*!!!

by Kobe Won Kenobi on Nov 8, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Were you referring to the '08 Finals against the Celtics?

The one where the Celtics won the clinching game by 30 points? Everyone knows Kobe gets all the calls and starts acting like a child when he doesn’t get one by flailing his arms in the air. I am surprised he hasn’t been ejected yet this year with the stricter officiating. Sorry I am a Raider fan like you but I am a Laker Hater until the day I die.

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by TAW on Nov 9, 2010 7:03 AM PST up reply actions  

It was a 40 point blowout, not 30.

Kobe’s a quitter and will never be a top 5 player of all time because of that fact. Smh @ anybody who thinks he’s even on the same stratosphere as Jordan.

by Raider Zealot on Nov 9, 2010 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

WHAT ABOUT MAGIC AND KAREEM?

They got blown out by almost 40 against the celtics. Are you telling me these guys are not top 5? Michael jordan is not the standard of how everyone should do it. He had a charmed career. Every possible good ending for him happened. 100% success. No one else does that. Its a special case.

by John Blazington on Nov 9, 2010 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

How can you even compare those two?

Kobe got blown out in an elimination game. Magic & Kareem came back to win that series. And neither of them quit like Kobe has a knack for doing.

And Kobe stole every facet of his game from Michael Jordan as best he could but he still couldn’t hold MJ’s jockstrap.

by Raider Zealot on Nov 9, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I have to agree with Raider Zealot. Even though Kobe’s sorta mellowed out from his early days(1st 3 peat), he still has the Moss I’ll play when I want to vibe.
I seriously doubt Kobe could score around 60 points in a playoff game with pretty much trash support(so so may be a better description) like MJ had in that spectacul Bulls/Celtics game in 1986, I believe.
Can Kobe score 49 points at age 40 with a mediocre team? I think not. Ever heard of the Flu game? Would Kobe play sick as a dog like MJ did? Doubtful. I’m not sure how good Kobe would be with bare bone supporting cast.

by Walker Wallace on Nov 9, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Well Said

Very well written blog. I couldn’t agree more… unless you had spelled “won” correctly :)

But seriously, I believe that there are a few of the referee teams and a few of the rules which need to be reexamined. I am glad to see a Raiders fan put together such a well written article that it will not seem like complaining, but rather constructive criticism.

by TD Rader on Nov 8, 2010 3:21 PM PST reply actions  

Ha thanks...

Corrected!

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by Rich Langford on Nov 8, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Nick Miller

was clearly down and did not fumble. If the Raids lost I would have blamed that.

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by TitanWay6 on Nov 8, 2010 3:53 PM PST reply actions  

I was so angry with that call

It was unbelievable and a really an unfair way to lose a game especially since they scored on that possession.

by Rockets4LIFE on Nov 8, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice Read Noontide !!!

Revise the system, bottom line !! Maybe 2 per half, and if the coach wins the call, then he still has all of them, the original 4, thru out the game !!! Mind u, the officials still own reviews, with 2 minutes left in the each half !!!

by papabegood on Nov 8, 2010 5:52 PM PST reply actions  

My biggest beef is that refs are now taught to rule plays as if they are challengable

In theory this is a good idea. A QB gets hit and you’re not sure it’s an incomplete pass or a fumble, allow the play to continue as a fumble and then sort it out later. You can always re-neg if it happened to be an incomplete pass, but if you blow the whistle as an incomplete pass, the play is dead and the teams have to give up on the play. That is understandable.

However, if you rule to allow the challenge system to take effect, you have you allow a broader use of challenges. As we saw here in the game this weekend, the referees allowed the Miller punt return to continue as if it were a fumble in order to stay in line with their training—make the play challenge-able. Except the play wasn’t challenge-able because coaches have only two challenges all game (unless they win both challenges which results in one extra challenge awarded).

I am with Ichristmas. Let’s just have an official in the booth who can challenge the play at any time. It’s kind of ridiculous to think that this rule is in effect in the final two minutes of each half, but it is not in effect for the rest of the game. Magically, once you hit 2:00 on the clock, the game becomes more important? A prime example of this is the Sunday night game when the Packers forced a fumble on a Cowboy kick return. The Packers recovered the ball and with 2:04 left in the 2nd quarter, Nick Collins waltzed into the end zone. Upon further replay review** on the television, it was easy to see the returner was down by contact and there was no fumble at all, but Wade Phillips had used all of his timeouts.

Consider, if one more Cowboy had slowed Nick Collins down on his way to the end zone, if Collins had zigged and zagged one more time, if the play itself had lasted just 4 more seconds, the play would have fallen under the review jurisdiction of the booth and it would have been overturned. I believe if 4 seconds cause a 7 point swing, it should be as a result of the players on the field making plays; it should not be a result of the referees on the field making a mistake.

If we have the technology, if we have opened ourselves up to reviewing plays on the field, why do we limit those reviews? The NFL would lead us to believe that play becomes more valuable 4 seconds later because then the judge in the booth can call the review, but the reality is that play—just as the Nick Miller fumble—was just as important right in the time in which it took place.

Note: As I was trying to watch a replay of the Nick Collins fumble recovery on NFL.com, I found I was not able to view the highlight. The highlight is listed among the NFL.com game highlights, but the highlight film skips this highlight and continues to the following highlight of a Jennings TD catch. It would appear the NFL has removed the highlight from their library due to the controversial call. If this is the case, it again proves the NFL is more concerned with *appearing to be right rather than actually getting the correct calls. This, of course, is not news to Oakland Raider fans, but it is one more notch against the NFL.

by nobodyinparticular on Nov 8, 2010 8:32 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

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by nobodyinparticular on Nov 8, 2010 8:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Referee Review

I think whoever the people is who review games and hand out fines to players even if they were penalized in the game should review the referees and if they see that they missed calls that they should have made or made bad calls should be penalized too. That way when they start loosing money too, they will start making better calls. Other then that, the players and coaches have a right to complain about bad officiating. Stupid rule that they can’t complain about grown old men like they are sensitive.

by Archangel25 on Nov 8, 2010 8:34 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Goodell would never review, fine, or suspend officials. He’s too busy fining players for hits that he considers cheap when they weren’t(especially when they weren’t called by the officials), making terrible rules to protect wussy players so they don’t take hits from defensive lineman or DB(why does Brady get special rules when Joe Thiesmann who broke his leg did not?), campaigning for two more games, trying to bring NFL to countries in Europe regardless of whether they care about American football or not, etc. It’s like the man is trying to screw up the NFL and is setting us up for a lockout. I hope he gets tarred, feathered, and run outta town if this does happen. He’s the 2nd worst Commish(imo it’s Selig who’s worst but at least that man has old age dementia working for him).

by Walker Wallace on Nov 8, 2010 10:04 PM PST reply actions  

Stern is the only commish that gives Goodell a run for his money.

That fucker is singlehandedly destroying the NBA. Selig did what he had to do to salvage his league, but you know shit is fucked when your leagues playoffs loses in the ratings to the NFL Draft by a large margin.

Stern is the only muhfucka who would give the refs MORE power after it had previously been exposed that the refs deliberately fix/influence games. Shit is sickenin’….

by Raider Zealot on Nov 8, 2010 10:34 PM PST up reply actions  

The thing about Selig

is the Strike really got the fans to turn away from the game and what salvaged the league was the 1996 HR record showdown b/w Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire. People tuned in just to see those two and it garnered interest in baseball again. Now, he’s scorning all the Roid users when many know he knew it was happening and just let it happen w/o taking action. It was all about money and I doubt he wanted to stop what was fattening his wallet, but now there’s a huge neverending cloud of uncertainty on who has and hasn’t taken steroids or HGH. This could’ve been prevented, but he didn’t.
The next thing that bothered me was making the All Star game(an exhibition game) a game that matters. It’s not an exhibition if it matters. There was nothing wrong with giving homefield advantage to the American League and then the National League the following year for the World Series. To me, the concept of the All Star game was to bring in a dream match-up between both leagues with players that you wanted to see.
I liked the idea of using Interleague play at first, but now I can see that it’s cheapening the World Series as just another series b/w the two leagues. It also hurts the All Star game b/c we’ve most likely seen the match-ups we wanted b/w the two leagues. If ratings were what he wanted then he messed up here.
Moving a lot of the baseball to the MLB Network that not everyone has. Yes, ESPN and TBS have occasional games, but sometimes a series b/w the Cubs/ Cards, Mets/Braves, etc. isn’t shown. I’m not sure whether he can work a deal to cable companies nationwide into having this a standard cable channel rather than it being an exclusive channel like VH-1 Classic and Boomerang(Cartoon Network oldies). This really isn’t that huge an issue.
He won’t overturn anything. Galaragga had a perfect game. The ump said and apologized for making the wrong call. Who has the power to overturn that? The Commish Why he won’t is ridiculous.

On a side note, when you guys mentioned those bad calls I immediately thought of AL ump Joe West.

by Walker Wallace on Nov 9, 2010 8:30 AM PST up reply actions  

All fair points, but where I disagree with you is on the ASG

I LOVE that the All-Star Game is more than just a showcase exhibition because that was the only way for the players to actually PLAY the game. I think the NBA should follow suit since we all know that nobody really plays hard (especially on D) in the NBA ASG. The Midsummer Classic is great for the sport of baseball, but I think the homefield advantage thing was a good idea to up the ante a bit.

by Raider Zealot on Nov 9, 2010 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

That’s cool. People are entitled to their opinion and I applaud you on providing more than just an I disagree w/ my ASG take.

For Stern and Goodell’s sake if they wanna keep their jobs, they better find a way to bring back the fans like the McGwire/Sosa HR race did for baseball. Any lockout/strike will piss fans off.
I do agree that Stern with the gambling refs and the possible fixation of games to favor the more popular franchises that’ll surely draw in high ratings as opposed to a Toronto Raptor/Memphis Grisslies series is a huge problem.
Goodell having too much power is a huge problem. Talk about ego tripping with new rules, fines, suspensions, etc.

by Walker Wallace on Nov 9, 2010 9:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't Forget...

After Carson Palmer was hit the same way as Tom Brady before it happened to Tom and the league did not do jack until it happened to Tom in their first game. Well players fel or was push down near Tom’s leg and he wanted a flag he got it.

by Archangel25 on Nov 9, 2010 9:39 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

As in all sports, nobody comes to the game to see the officials. I sure didn't

But this game was one of the worst in memory. This crew got all the easy call right and most of the "big"calls wrong. Watching them bungling around out there was truly pathetic. As I was watching my recorded broadcast of the game the commentators mentioned that 3 or 4 of this crew had worked Superbowls. I couldn’t believe what I was hearing, these jerkoffs shouldn’t be allowed to ref pop warner games

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by rambis64 on Nov 8, 2010 10:14 PM PST reply actions  

Reftards

I didnt think it would ever be possible to see officiating this terrible in the NFL. It was truly a sad and pathetic sight. I was 117 rows behind Chiefs bench and it seemed like some of the reftards spent an awful lot of spare time talking with Chief coaches.

by MacRaider on Nov 8, 2010 10:31 PM PST reply actions  

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