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Raiders-Chiefs: A Victorious Retrospective

This game is what awesome uses as an adjective to describe itself. This review may be a tad delayed, but what the hell...it's the bye week. What else are we going to do? Seriously? Anyone have any ideas? I am lost without the Raiders. I guess I'll just sit around and root for Steeler injuries on Sunday. Oh wait, that would be wrong and unsportsmanlike.

Okay, let's just get into the bullet points:

  • Stat of the Game: The Chiefs had 5 3rd and 1 plays. Not one of these resulted in a first down. That is crazy good--especially considering the quality of the run game they faced. Insert arrogant and annoying Chief fan voice here, "We average blah blah yards per carry. We are the greatest running team ever."
  • Oh yeah? Well you can't get 1 yard when you need it. The Raiders stuffed it with such ease that the Chiefs "genius" coaches didn't even try to utilize that "unstoppable" run game on the last two 3rd and 1s, instead choosing for play action passes. Those failed too.
  • The offense sucked in the first half, but it was close. It was little miscues that kept them from getting any rhythm. Hell, if Jacoby had just caught the long pass alone, the entire perception of the first half would be different. Still, it was something on every possesion that killed the O. Like DHBs drop on the first play, one of the kajillion penalties or McFadden's fumble. Also KC's D played the screen passes really well.
  • The Wildcat was a great wrinkle, until McFadden tried to throw it. Did he really think that had a chance to be complete? Keeping that one from getting picked was the best play on the ball DHB has ever made.
  • Cable made some questionable calls in the first half. Most notably the fake punt and the challenges. I don't have a big problem with these though. When he is making mistakes they are aggressive ones. And this is the very aggression that the whole team is picking up on. "Just Cut Loose" is the teams new mantra. Cable wants his team going balls to the wall every play and he is coaching that way and this team is developing that killer instinct.
  • The Penalties: There were some ticky-tack calls in this one, but still. Could you cut down on some of the penalties guys? 3 neutral zone infractions? Really?
  • Another blown D: The blown Nick Miller call was brutal and it almost cost the Raiders the game, but it didn't have to be that way. They had almost stopped KC until they forgot to cover D. Bowe. What the hell was that? It looks like it was probably Routt's job, but how do you miss Bowe on the outside? It's not like he snuck out there. These blown defenses are not as frequent as years past, but even just one of these is too many.
  • Kirk Morrison: His greatest legacy may now be as the man that netted the draft pick that ended up being Ford. 
  • Speaking of Bowe: I am glad he is a Chief. He came up big on Sunday...for the Raiders. Sure he had the TD, but the Raiders handed that to him. Bowe could've ended the game with a 3rd and 11 back shoulder catch that would've been good for a first down and essentially allowed the Chiefs to run out the clock, but he dropped it. In Bowe's defense, he was a little out of catching position after pushing off Stanford Routt.
  • Brandon Flowers: Elite Corner...Hahahahahaha...I mean...Hahahaha. Our 4th round rookie just made you look silly. What was with his D in OT? He was lined up outside of Jacoby like he was guarding the sideline or expecting inside deep help. When Ford ran a streak, Flowers was screwed. All Campbell had to do was throw it to the middle of the field and there was no way Flowers could close in time.

Okay onto the Balls Awards:

Star-divide

 

We've got big:

Dick and the D-Line

This is one bad ass group of players. It all starts with Richard Seymour. Seymour is costing opposing Guards money, because he is making lots of them look like they don't belong in the NFL. Seymour made two huge plays in the 4th quarter. The first:

9:36 4th Quarter 1st and 10--Chiefs first offensive play after falling behind by 4.

The Chiefs try to chip Seymour with the RG and then block him with the C. Only he is not having it. He tackled Thomas Jones for no gain. Seymour calmly gets up walks towards The Black Hole and gives the "X" symbol with his arms. As if to say, "I am a bad man and we are a bad ass group and this is what we do." I loved this display of calm rage. It set the basis for a 3 and out that really looked like it was going to seal the game, but we all know what happened next and this led to his next huge play.

2:28 4th Quarter 2nd and 8--Raiders let the Chiefs out of a hole by giving up a 12 yard run on 1st and 20.

Seymour makes the RG look so bad here, I am not sure if he thought he was going to receive help blocking him. He didn't and Seymour almost takes the hand-off and stops Jones for a 3 yard loss. Setting up 3rd and 11 and then the eventual punt.

Seymour was not alone. The entire D-line played great. Tommy Kelly is bringing it and he actually ended up with an actual game ball from his coach. Shaughnessy and Houston did a great job of sealing off the edge on the run and they were all consistently applying pressure on Cassel.

Nnam isn't the only one with:

The Secondary

Before the season started, losing Nnam to an injury was my biggest fear with this team. This was still an above average group of corners without him. I thought CJ played awesome. The first PI is as good as d a DB can play. He also help set the second half tone when he laid out Chambers and then broke up the slant play two plays later. The Chiefs thought they were going to be able to expose CJ. The Chiefs thought wrong.

Routt played his usual solid D (I know, it still sounds weird to me too). And Ware did way better than a 7th round pick should when being thrown onto a man-to-man island.

Michael Huff had another solid game and Mike Mitchell got the ball rolling when he tipped the pass that Ware ended up picking.

Pure Steel:

Jason Campbell

Campbell is one resilient bastard. There were so many times I had written him off in this game. The first half certainly wasn't entirely his fault. The WRs didn't help him, but he was getting hit, he was missing throws, people were dropping his passes and he looked bad. He hung in there though and he saved his best throws for last.

A perfect example: JC missed a wide open DHB on 2nd and 11 on the last drive in regulation. This was an easy throw and it would have been a big gainer. This was just another time that I thought the game was over. Next play though, JC threaded the needle to JLH for a huge first down.

Then there was the OT throw. A great throw. He hit Ford in stride. He led him to the open part of the field, which made it easier for him and Ford and...game over.

On the day, I thought JC's deep passes were excellent. He underthrew Ford early on the flea flicker, but I am giving him a pass on this one. It was wet and as he caught the flick he hesitated. I don't think this was the kind of hesitation that plagues Campbell as much as he had to get a decent grip on a wet ball to chuck it deep. And yeah he underthrew it, but he threw a wet ball 60 yards. It's not like this was due to bad aim.

Say Hello To My:

Jacoby Ford

This was a ridiculous display of awesomeness. I've got nothing to add that hasn't been said.

Hey Everybody, I Found My:

Johnnie Lee Higgins

Welcome back the the NFL JLH. Higgins finally made some plays and one was huge and it was over the middle in traffic.

I Know How To Handle My:

Khalif Barnes

Barnes caught his first TD more cleanly than most of the passes to the WRs get caught. It was a short throw, but it had a decent amount of zip.

Check Out My Versatile:

Kamerion Wimbley and Quentin Groves

I felt this was Wimbley and Groves best all around game. They did a great job of holding the edge on the run and Wimbley even made a nice pass defensed play on a big 3rd and 1. Both men closed out well when the backs did catch the ball outside.

Disease Free:

Sebastian Janikowski

Two clutch kicks and the choke label from the AZ game begins to fade away. Life is more fun when it is easy to like Seabass.

Poll
My favorite victory
Rams
9 votes
Chargers
225 votes
Broncos
282 votes
Seahawks
9 votes
Chiefs
513 votes

1038 votes | Poll has closed

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Gotta be Denver- How can watching the most points ever scored by our team in your Dad's or your lifetime really be topped

Thats 50 years of football. Probably you missed a few games. Hope is was not this one (or your a 50 year smuck).
And if we tried in the fourth Quarter we could have had the most points ever scored in a game.

 We had 59 at the end of the third quarter. Two more Td’s, and I doubt if Denver could have done anythng to stop it, and we score 73. Records 72 by the Redskins in ’66. And they scored 24 in the fourth quarter. And that was before the first superbowl was ever played. Epic is allmost an understatment.

Belechek would have run it up. Shannahan would have run it up on us. We should have too. Leave the Bronco fans with the worst beating in the history of the game to chew on for the next fifty years. Not that they are going to ever forget this one- he he he.

Cambells a tough one as he has shown the ability to win. Mabey were winning in spite of him though with two blowouts and a terrible first half in the chiefs. I still say a team with a good pass rush will just kill him where Grad has a chance.

Nice write-up. Thanks for taking the time. And the Chiefs first TD was out of bounds three ways to Sunday.

"Gratuitous gesticulating together sounds even better"

by OmahaHi on Nov 9, 2010 5:54 AM PST reply actions  

For what he means to this team

Richard Seymour was and is worth every bit of that 2011 1st round draft pick…Period

Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.

by TheRaiderWay on Nov 9, 2010 6:06 AM PST reply actions  

+1000

Got to keep winning and hopefully finish with the AFC West title. I think having a better record than the Pats or getting to the AFC Championship would be poetic justice.

"I didn't fail the test, I just found 100 ways to do it wrong"
- Benjamin Franklin

by TAW on Nov 9, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's my post on Richard Seymour when he first came to Oakland

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2009/9/9/1023352/richard-seymour#comments

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Nov 9, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

What's even better about the Seymour Trade !!!

The more games we win, the lower that pick goes !!! I’m sure Bilicheat, at the time of the trade, was thinking in the top 5 !!!!! At this rate, hoping for a 10-6 season, that pick is in the 20’s !!! Seymour is showing now, we got the better of the DEAL !!!! HaHa, you got to luv it !!!! Oh, and I had to vote the Denver Game!!! Laid a 50+ burger on them, IN DENVER !!!! Couldn’t have been sweeter !!!!

by papabegood on Nov 9, 2010 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I am going to give Al some credit.

I thought the Dick Seymour trade was an awful decision but in hind-sight he has been the catalyst on D for this resurgence in my opinion. He is the D’s MVP IMO. Also everyone knows the Ford trade seemed like it was the only Al pick this draft. He came through huge for us. Good job Al at least for those two decisions as well as keeping Cable after last year. Continuity has to be the main reason this team has made all these strides.

"I didn't fail the test, I just found 100 ways to do it wrong"
- Benjamin Franklin

by TAW on Nov 9, 2010 6:38 AM PST reply actions  

WOOO!

Mr. Davis loves us. He showers us with wonderful RRRAIDERS!

by golfswithglock on Nov 9, 2010 6:53 AM PST up reply actions  

They were all great but I'm going with Denver; the game was pure pleasure. Among several good points this article makes I'm going with this one:

Cable…When he is making mistakes they are aggressive ones. And this is the very aggression that the whole team is picking up on. “Just Cut Loose” is the teams new mantra. Cable wants his team going balls to the wall every play and he is coaching that way and this team is developing that killer instinct.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Nov 9, 2010 7:13 AM PST reply actions  

I had to go with KC

b/c that win put ourselves over the top. The other wins were great especially the Broncos and Chargers. I like how we beat all the old AFC West teams(Seattle, Denver, San Diego, and KC)

by Walker Wallace on Nov 9, 2010 8:54 AM PST reply actions  

I went with KC

simply because in the grand scheme of the season, it mattered more.

by TexasRaider20 on Nov 9, 2010 8:54 AM PST reply actions  

THE POLL

well its kinda of hard to pick one game, the Rams game got the goose egg off the board. the Charges was huge, plan and simply we had not beat them in thirteen (13) games. the Broncos game , which is true to my heart being my DAD is a broncos fan was TOO SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET, and i think that game and the charges game really were big factors in where we are now. the Seatle game, that great as well, cuz we were finally able to put back to back wins togeather, which I also believe, that has helped us to be where we are now, And finally the chiefs game, you probably wont believe me on this, but my dad is a broncos fan and my sister is a chiefs fan, so both those games are BITTER SWEET:). But if I had to pick I will pick the the Quiefs game because it put us over 500. for the first time in 7 years , and knowing that we have the making of a great team , the possibilty is there!!!!!!!!!!

by bobnarly on Nov 9, 2010 9:18 AM PST reply actions  

That poll

I don’t know man, it’s like asking which of your children you love the best. Why is there no “All of the above” option?

These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx

by RDreamer on Nov 9, 2010 9:27 AM PST reply actions  

Our Two best Players

All Respect to Lechler the Great, but we beat the Chiefs without our Pro Bowl tight end and HOF corner. AMAZING

by Not Jamarcus! on Nov 9, 2010 10:16 AM PST reply actions  

Everyone has a bad game

Brandon Flowers: Elite Corner…Hahahahahaha…I mean…Hahahaha.

I actually have to give it up to Jacoby Ford. He went out there and wanted that win more than any player on either team. Ford won that game for the Raiders. He is a freakin rocket btw. Flowers is still an elite corner. Ford just had his number.
Crennel had Flowers lined off the line of scrimmage on the play in OT for some stupid reason. If we would of played bump coverage on that play then the chances of the long ball would of diminshed.
That being said good game Raiders and we will see you at Arrowhead.
I hope both teams are still in the playoff hunt at that point so the game will have even more meaning.

Chiefs Will

by tomahawk44 on Nov 9, 2010 11:14 AM PST reply actions  

Not only was he off, but he was on the outside...

It was odd and no way to play a speedy WR. Does he do that often? Thanks for the credit hurled to Ford. I had actually been impressed with Flowers and I was shocked how many times the Raiders beat him.

Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you.
-The Rapist

by Rich Langford on Nov 9, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I was shocked at the coverage

they usually have Flowers in bump coverage. If he has a fast WR like Ford matched up against him I expect him to get burned like that everytime being that far off the line of scrimmage. Flowers is not a very fast CB as it is but has the physical tools to be a great CB. I hope Crennel learned a lesson on Sunday because I would hate to get beat all by Ford again.. Im going to go out on a limb and guess that Ford will be seeing more playing time?? haha I think you have found a gem.

Chiefs Will

by tomahawk44 on Nov 9, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

WHY are we happy at 5-4?

We should be 7-2 , period…… but we aren’t. So we settle for 5-4. Being and old timer my most hated teams are as follows 1: Chiefs 2:Broncos 3:Chargers 4: Steelers. I voted for the Chargers win because I was just fucking sick of their swagger and pomp. I loved shoving it up their collective asses for a change.
The Chief’s victory was like the old days in that we were playing against the Chiefs and ourselves(penalties) and we beat both. That cannot happen against the Steelers,or any future team for that matter as we are a pretty good football team but not good enough to overcome losing that much yardage because of stupidity. Penalties are a direct result of coaching and discipline (or lack there of) and simply put we damn near gave the game away due to them. Kudos to Cable and Company for turning the boys loose. Shame on the Coach and his staff for using up our challenges (his staff should have told him the 2nd challenge was bad- they watch the same replay we do) , it would have been sweet to have been able to overturn the Nick Miller fumble. If we keep making (kudos to S.O.B. and noon) "aggressive mistakes " we will do all right, as we will be moving forward,rather than back. I’m glad that one’s in the books and we couldn’t have hit the bye at a better time with injuries and the steelers on the horizon. YES! R.F.F.R.

by Wyoraider on Nov 9, 2010 11:18 AM PST reply actions  

don't you think at least a few of the penalty's and bad calls the raiders draw every game are based on reputation?

Chicken and egg I guess but at this point I don’t think the Raiders will ever be one of the lowest penalized team no matter who there coach or what the players do. We expect the refs to screw us over and they desire to live up to our expectations. Not that the Raiders are do not have an overabundance of dumb penaltys, but they also have an overabundance of bad critical calls go against them game in and game out.

"Gratuitous gesticulating together sounds even better"

by OmahaHi on Nov 9, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Hahahahaha...Dang Wyo, I hate all those teams equally in any order and you can add the Seagulls to that mix as well...

And Pittsburg got away with two Super Bowls we should have went to..The Raiders are playing to that last second of every game. Now, we will see the improvement we were looking for, because it all starts with HEART….

by Rodney Sacramento on Nov 9, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

This weekend GOOOOOOO BRONCOS!!

Have to root for the lesser of two evils, EH?

by Wyoraider on Nov 9, 2010 11:22 AM PST reply actions  

Would I be wrong to post a fanshot on MHR titled: "Let's Go Donkeys!"

Would I? Inquiring minds wanna know. We need them to beat the Chiefs. Especially since their schedule is so Goddamn soft.

by Raider Zealot on Nov 9, 2010 12:33 PM PST reply actions  

You don't have to post Donkeys but a post pushing them to beat kc would be great.

Same goes for the Colts blog when they face sd after the bye. I do think Wyoraider has a point. Maybe not 7-2 but we definitely could be 6-3 and have a 1/2 game division lead after the Cards game. It would go a long way in deciding how the season goes for this team. All the other games were games we deserved to lose.

"I didn't fail the test, I just found 100 ways to do it wrong"
- Benjamin Franklin

by TAW on Nov 9, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

The Pass Interference calls are ridiculous

I know the refs know that man to man coverage is a disadvantage to these calls but Chris Johnson displayed perfect coverage on the pass in which he flagged for. I’m glad you noticed the push off as well noontide with Bowe and Routt, but does it seem like WR’s are playing more aggressive against our coverage, knowing that the refs have 3 fingers on a flag waiting to throw it on us? This is something that isn’t going away anytime soon and I fear its going to lead to an eventual lose.

"When you believe in yourself......you will conquer many of your fears before they even manifest."

-Zen Master, Nnamdi "The Awesome One" Asomugha

by DarthDavis on Nov 9, 2010 12:42 PM PST reply actions  

It pisses me off the WRs can get away with pushes and CBs

get called for nothing, like Johnson.

I have noticed some crews are throwing flags on DBs quicker than others. I am going to try and find some stats on refs and the penalties they call. Although, I am little skeptical that I’ll be able to find this info.

Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you.
-The Rapist

by Rich Langford on Nov 9, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I have seen more offensive pass inferfenence calls this year in the NFL than ever so they seem to be trying to keep it fair

But about half of them are bullshit that should be no calls.

"Gratuitous gesticulating together sounds even better"

by OmahaHi on Nov 9, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I went with The Donkey game

I did not have to worry once and how often can we say that?

JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!

by rambis64 on Nov 9, 2010 2:17 PM PST reply actions  

I had to go with san diego

I live in san diego and have been listening to these fair weather pukes run their soup coolers for far too long. that 13 in a row streak was killing me and I’m glad its over. these chargeless fans questioned how i stayed loyal to my team after all the down years; but it only made me question their faith. I bleed SILVER & BLACK

Noone understands the thoughts of an incarcerated man. the years I've lost, I'm climbing this ladder looking up at this kid whose boss. He's 1/2 my age I'm still getting 1/2 his wage, but I need this check though. So I hold back 1/2 my rage. there's poison in my chest, so I pour it all on the page.

by the world of oak on Nov 9, 2010 3:01 PM PST reply actions  

post it

raider zealot the donkeys are done so if they can beat kc and sd then i’m all for it

Noone understands the thoughts of an incarcerated man. the years I've lost, I'm climbing this ladder looking up at this kid whose boss. He's 1/2 my age I'm still getting 1/2 his wage, but I need this check though. So I hold back 1/2 my rage. there's poison in my chest, so I pour it all on the page.

by the world of oak on Nov 9, 2010 3:06 PM PST reply actions  

Was a tough choice but I went with Denver

As it was the beginning of this roll that we are on now. Would have been San Diego if we had we actually shown up for the SF game the next week.

by Raider Since Schroeder on Nov 9, 2010 3:08 PM PST reply actions  

The Queifs game!!!!

Becuz I was there!!!! I hadn’t been to a game in a few years, and boy what a game to witness! The Coliseum was rockin, I was with fam n friends, Ford stepped up and put it down for us BIG time! All the others were great wins, but each win shall be sweeter than the last!!

Go RAIDAZ!!!!

by RaiderDevastate1 on Nov 9, 2010 4:04 PM PST reply actions  

Jacoby Ford

in my hamble opinion, those two last catches that Ford had, truely made him a Raider. Before that to me he was just a player who was drafted by and play for the Raiders . Welcome home Jacoby. what do you Raider Nation think?

by R8drick on Nov 9, 2010 5:59 PM PST reply actions  

Jacoby is a stud, hopefully he gets alot more playing time

and gets in sync with Campbell to where their on the same page and can advantage of opposing D’s ( like the last play Sunday ) more often. Jacoby is looking like the steal of the last draft, Keep it up kid!!!

JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!

by rambis64 on Nov 10, 2010 8:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Jacoby!!!!!!!! He took at least two away that were total picks. The return set the tone for the win!

Dude’s a hero! I can’t imagine being a coordinator knowing I could face he and Murph, or Chaz, or JLH, or DHB.

Jacoby is a new Raider hero, the likes of Murph after blocking downfield for Miller last year! How great is it to have two hardcore Raiders like these kids on the same squad, and they look like kids!

I agree with R8drick!!!! That performance put Jacoby into the history books for the Raiders, on the map, and us in the postseason conversation for a change! We can beat anybody on any given Sunday!!!!

BELIEVE, NATION, BELIEVE!!

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Nov 9, 2010 6:06 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

wide receivers

wide receivers as a group when healthy are going to be awsome!!!! mark my words the way to beat the Steelers is through the air and i do mean long, some way some how this offensive line is going to have to keep our qb upright. Go RAIDERS!!!!

by R8drick on Nov 9, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

you're insane!

Love it!

"Just Win Baby" is not a philosophy, it is a way of life!

by Ra1derRob67 on Nov 9, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Finally!!! The Oakland Raiders will play to the last second of every game!!!

Now!!!! The Oakland Raiders believe they can win, the Raiders as a team can now believe in NEVER giving up and reaping the rewards of that. This game has more to do with the will to win than with anything else. Finally, even with the sloppy play the Raiders didn’t give up, even with Nick’s bogus fumble they did NOT quit, the Raiders know they have to fight for a win and they are willing to do so. Seymour is a beast, as I said when the Raiders picked him up. And now that the Raiders have revamped their team look at where we are headed. We still need a few pieces in place to get back to our dominating ways, however, we are winning the games we should right now and that can land us in the playoffs!!! I knew the Raiders were not going to come in to the KC game and laydown, they came in to hit someone in the mouth and that is the Raiders an OG like me knows. Let me tell you guys something, all my young Raider fans out there…Just hold on a minute, we are well on our way back to dominance, we have the talent, Hue is finally getting plays in the game that are opening up lanes, and we don’t even have our best players on the field. C-Chill, hasn’t played all year our Pro Bowl CB and starting tight end are both out, and they played today as if it didn’t matter. That is the sign of maturity and the will to win. It is the will to win that will elevate the Raiders….Excellent effort,,,,Go Raiders!!!!

by Rodney Sacramento on Nov 9, 2010 10:03 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I went with the queefs game

Because as Supremely Fucking AWESOME as the donks game was the game against the queefs was much more important. I mean come on down several KEY players having to play the queefs and the fucking refs? give me a fuckin break! and yet…we still won! how? BY NEVER GIVING UP!!! now that is the RAIDERS of old! we have some tough games coming up and I hope we can win them but I am no longer concerned. we will have a better record and we are finnally rockin! GO RAIDERS!!!

"Just Win Baby" is not a philosophy, it is a way of life!

by Ra1derRob67 on Nov 9, 2010 10:15 PM PST reply actions  

Insert arrogant and annoying Chief fan voice here

     You hypocritical pile of shit, Raiders fans are the epitome of arrogant and annoying, such as is this post.

by Kblomfiee on Nov 10, 2010 4:47 PM PST reply actions  

I thought we were thugs and gangsters?

Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you.
-The Rapist

by Rich Langford on Nov 10, 2010 11:00 PM PST up reply actions  

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