Oakland Raiders Playoff Chances and Scenarios: December 6th 2010
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 6, 2010 4:19 PM PST
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It has been eight Seasons since we could write that headline. Oakland Raider Bloggers have gone through one of the worst losing periods in professional sports history. Seven season of 11 losses or more is unparalleled in NFL History and for the first time since the Great Super Bowl run of 2002, the Oakland Raiders will NOT lose 11 or more contests. Now, that doesn't mean that Tom cable should give them two days off, but, a small golf clap is in order.
Finally, we have a playoff headline in December, that doesn't read, "Oakland Raiders Officially Eliminated From Playoff Picture", heck those headlines were written in November most years.
Nope, this season we can talk NFL Playoffs!!! Thanks for taking care of the Chargers yesterday boys, because I now have a little faith re-instilled after the drubbings that you exposed us to in the prior two weeks.
At 6-6, the Oakland Raiders are Two games behind the Chiefs with four games to play. They are also tied with the Chargers, even though they do have the tie breaker over them for being 2-0 against San Diego this year.
So, what does this all mean?
Let's take a look at the remaining schedule and see just how the Raiders stack up against their competition and what chances they have to win the AFC West.
Oakland Raiders (6-6, 4-0 DIV) - @ Jacksonville, Denver, Indy, @ Kansas City
San Diego Chargers (6-6, 1-3 DIV) - Kansas City, San Fran, @ Cincy, @ Denver
Kansas City (8-6, 2-2 DIV) - @ San Diego, @ St. Louis, TENN, Oakland
Oakland
At first glance I see that every defense that the Raiders will be facing from here on out is below average and some are flat out terrible.
The best run defense that will be facing Oakland is Kansas City and they allow 4.2 yards a carry (16th in the NFL). The rest are pretty far down, Denver (4.3 20th), Jacksonville (4.3 20th) and Indy (4.8, 31st).
The best passing defenses are the Colts and Chiefs, but neither is a really stout passing defense, and Denver and Jacksonville rank 30th and 32nd against the pass respectively.
Every team that they have left is flawed and can be beaten on any given Sunday by a Good Raider team and be blown out by the team that took the field yesterday.
To me, the number one key is the same key that spoke about before the Charger Game. This team needs to sell out as a running team and do things off the run, like play action passes and screens while NOT turning the ball over to let the defense get to work, make some plays and win the ball game. This team is built around running the ball and playing solid defense. Period. If they stick to that game plan, then the upcoming teams don't scare me too much. If they get tricky and get Jason outside of his comfort zone then they could be in trouble, but, I am going off the last game and saying that the Raiders can run the table.
My safe Prediction is 3-1 over the last 4, finishing at 9-7 for the season
San Diego
I can easily see the Chargers bouncing back from yesterday's beating, although teams don't usually win the week after they play the Raiders, look at Miami last weekend as further proof.
IF San Diego runs the table then Oakland would have to follow suit, and IF they do, they'd win the tie-breaker.
There are a few potential snafus in the way before they run the table. Kansas City, for one, will not lay down, San Francisco will still be playing for the NFC West Division, even if they are 4-9 at the time, Cincy played the saints very tough this last weekend and don't think for one second that playing a Division Rival, Denver, on the road will be a cakewalk. That being said, they have the easiest schedule of the three teams.
Kansas City
This team that looked to be built on glue, bolts and duct tape has some how won more games that it's lost and finds itself at 8-4 and in full control of it's playoff destiny. Wins over San Diego AND Oakland will likely clinch the Division and see them playing a home game on January 9th.
Thank goodness that the two other teams they play are the Rams in St. Louis, who are having their own rebirth under 1st year QB Sam Bradford and will definitely be in the throws of a playoff push when KC arrives and Tennessee looks to be on a downside, but their defense keeps them in most games and if Chris Johnson can get his, then the Titans can upset KC.
In Summation:
In the craziest AFC West in recent memory, the Raiders could finish 8-8 or 9-7, winning all 6 divisional games and not win the Division. Kansas City can finish 8-8 or 9-7 and not win while San Diego goes 1-3 against the Raiders and Chiefs yet wins the Division. Now wouldn't that be an OUTRAGE?
Cheers and Go Raiders!!!
Saint
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while San Diego goes 1-3 against the Raiders and Chiefs yet wins the Division. Now wouldn’t that be an OUTRAGE?
oh gawd that would be awful, just awful!!!
I want to be the modern day version of Super Mario Brothers!!! Dont care for *shrooms*, but would love to *get large* and *spit fire*...unless im constantly told "thanks, but your girl is in another castle". That would rate a 8.9 on the ole *Suck-ometer*!!!
Congrats on 6 wins
but the Raiders won’t come beat the Chiefs at Arrowhead.
If we do we win the division.
Bet on that sheet
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by JohnnyDangerously on Dec 6, 2010 5:33 PM PST up reply actions
We weren't going to beat you at home either
We werent going to beat sd at home or on the road. We weren’t supposed to destroy the broncos and they weren’t supposed to destroy you. The cowboys and vikings were going to fight for supremacy and the titans were good.
That’s why the games are played – are you fuckwads really going to start with your pea brained style smack 4 weeks early this time?
by lchristmas on Dec 6, 2010 9:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
That's the point you take away from my post?
I don’t even need to ask if youre a chiefs fan, with such sharp analysis like that
if you ozark hillbilly simpletons are going to be clogging up this site, at least make a token effort at basic reading comprehension, its only polite and that’s what we’re all about here
by lchristmas on Dec 7, 2010 6:43 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Im in San Diego dumbass so find another insult
If this post is your idea of sharp analysis you might want to rethink insulting someone else’s reading comprehension.
All the guy said was “you aren’t going to win at Arrowhead” and you light up like a Christmas tree. You obviously are well versed in the E-Smack talk, kudos to you and from reading this site, I’m not entirely sure what you mean by “that’s what we’re about here”. Looks like a smackboard with a few good commenters actually giving some good info.
San Diego, Kansas City, Same Diff...
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So there are sarcasm-challenged morons in san diego also?
Shocking. You totally win this argument. I have made a fool of myself.
I would try to explain how you misstated my point but im afraid you won’t get it (again)
by lchristmas on Dec 7, 2010 11:23 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
We actually have a lot of intelligent people here. When I first joined, I expected the worst. But actually, after being here for more than a year, I’ve learned a lot from many here. Not just about football, but life, philosophy, and much, much more.
Hippy/Raider fanatic.
i agree with jake
the media brainwashed me as a kid that oakland fans was thugs and weird but the media was wrong so kids learn from me raiders fans are cool
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider
I see you everywhere J-Man :)
I have no problem with Raider fans. I hate their team and they hate mine, it’s the way it is. But I think there may be some history with some of the posters here that I’m unaware of in regards to Chiefs talk. I’ve been by here a few times and it seems to get ugly pretty quick.
A Chiefs fan says “you won’t beat us” and he’s a fuckwad? I ask what makes Oakland the class of the division and I’m a hillbilly simpleton from SD? Maybe that’s just the lingo here and I’m uninformed. I’ll ask you considering we’ve had convos before and I trust your opinion.
Well
thanks bajah fist off that means a lot to me there guys u have to earn their rescpt at first these raiders fans have very stong opinpts but 1 u have to earn their resept at first 2 they like hosety some of them do here and at most SBN sties i have earned some resept over the last 18 mos well i think MNchiefsfan reposts here when u play at @OAK and it got heated at times sometimes u need thicker skin when u post here
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider
I get it...just a different vibe than AP
dishing it out back and forth is frowned upon there. But if it flies here, than I’ll be back before week 17.
i am near the ozarks
its beautifal but small
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider
Technically we've won every game we've played in the division
so, based on analysis of head to head matchups within the AFC West, you’re a fucking idiot.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Dec 7, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
based on standings. you're looking up at us
by BJ Kissel on Dec 7, 2010 3:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Not for long
You will lose to SD and STL because you suck on the road…then your season will be over as TN and Oakland roll you in KC
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Dec 7, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
I ain't changin
and if I’m wrong I’ll admit it…but let’s be honest, this won’t be the first time the Chiefs have broken your heart by collapsing late in the season…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Dec 8, 2010 8:33 AM PST up reply actions
true words
Winning the division is a bonus. We’re playing with house money from where most thought we’d be at this point.
by BJ Kissel on Dec 8, 2010 10:08 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Why not?
You dickholes act as if it’s impossible for anyone to win there, yet I distinctly recall walking out of that very stadium in my Howie Long Jersey, and tossing back some victory beers with the Raider Nation LAST YEAR…we can and will beat you on the last week of season, then bathe in the vinegar and water tears from you douche bags…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Dec 7, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
Hey Raymond
It’s “throes” not ""throws" :)
(Sorry, just another teacher trying to be helpful…everyone needs an proofreader…))
Nice One:
everyone needs an proofreader…))
It is always appreciated. I tend to write stream of consciousness and the spell/grammar proofer just slows me down. My ADD doesn’t allow me to go back!
Cheers and Welcome!
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 6, 2010 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
The Chiefs are 8-4
By virtue of being 6-0 at home. This means they are 2-4 on the road. I say they go 1-3 over the rest of the year, the 1 win being Tennessee. It will be tough to beat KC at Arrowhead, considering that I predict at that point they will be 7-0 there, but depending on how we play up to that point it’s a strong possibility we do it. if it plays out, like I suspect it will, that the winner goes to the playoff and the loser goes home, the game will be an absolute bloodbath. I believe the Raiders have the mental and physical toughness to win a game of that nature.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Just FYI
The Raiders are also 2-4 on the road. So you think they’ll go into KC, where the Chiefs are 6-0 (and possible 7-0 by that point) and beat them?
Anything is possible dick.
You just mentioned The Raiders are 2-4 on the road but 2-0 WITHIN THE AFC WEST ON THE ROAD as well outscoring their opponents by 60 points in those games. I’m done assuming we will fail after what I’ve seen
these Raidersare capable of. You can put that in your peace pipe, light it up and shove straight up your candy ass.
Trust No One
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by TAW on Dec 7, 2010 7:38 AM PST up reply actions
The arrogance of these fuck heads is astounding
You would think they were the 1995 cowboys talking about a game against a high school team, instead of a game against a very evenly matched rival
All this we will do this, we will do that is exactly what they were selling for the first game
by lchristmas on Dec 7, 2010 9:03 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
As if we haven't walked out of Camarohead victorious the past three years...
Let’s not forget that two of those six home wins were in less than impressive fashion over Buffalo and Denver. Hell, Jenkinsville stayed with you for a half with a QB fresh off the streets.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Dec 7, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
If it comes to that
I believe the Chiefs will most likely win that game and will definitely be the favored team. However, I believe the Raiders have the fortitude to be able to win a game of that nature, whereas in previous years they did not.
All i am saying is, it is far more likely they win that type of game this year as opposed to recent years.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
If the Queefs do in fact go 1-3
then the Raiders would only have to go 3-1. Also if the Raiders win the next three games, the game in KC won’t mean shit. Even if we lost that game we would both be 9-7 but we would win the tie breaker by virtue of a better divisional record, us being 6-1 and KC being 3-3
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
of course that doesn't account for S.D.
needing to lose at least one also. if they win out, we’ll need to win out.
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
lol
judging by the picture, someones a /b/ tard hahaha
for life baby
desu desu
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Raiders need to run the table
Why? Because if the Chiefs go 2-2, we need to be 4-0.
And if the Chargers go 4-0 (feels likely), we need to go 4-0.
Chiefs losing to St. Louis and San Diego losing to Denver are our outside shots of only needing to go 3-1. We need the Chargers to beat the Chiefs next week, though.
The truth is that the Raiders will likely be undone by a missed 30 yard field goal as time expired in Arizona.
If we had that game and were 7-5 right now, then we could lose one of the next three, beat K.C. on the season’s final day, and win the division.
Aaah not the field goal. It was a chip shot but I can't get mad at Jano.
It shouldn’t have come to that. I still blame Cable and Grad for not taking a timeout at the goaline and getting a delay of game penalty. Coming out of a timeout and getting that penalty is inexcusable.
"Plans are only good intentions unless they immediately degenerate into hard work. "
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Peter Drucker
Great Point;
I completely agree. But it is funny that ONE action will be the one that is most remembered if this team doesn’t make the playoffs. One chip shot and we are in control of our own destiny today. It is always that one moment of greatness or failure that defines success or failure.
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 6, 2010 6:59 PM PST up reply actions
Also lets not forget janos clutch kick against kc
if he was gonna miss one of them I’m glad it was az. Don’t get me wrong, that kick was responsible for lots of vodka consumption, but I will ride with seabass anytime. We can’t worry about that any more. Every team wins games they should have lost and vice versa.
by lchristmas on Dec 6, 2010 9:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
kicks
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 6, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
Absolutely
I was only counting the equalizer – I could not look
Had no doubt at all about the winner
by lchristmas on Dec 6, 2010 9:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Ah yes! I have a feeling that Seabass's season is yet to be defined
I think there be a big 50+ yarder looming in his future.
Nobody's perfect. ...Well, there was this one guy once, but we killed him.
by Rich Langford on Dec 6, 2010 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
I don't agree about Janikowski not having blame for the AZ game but you're right about Grad's management of the game.
However isn’t it refreshing we can actually look back at that game as a cause for us not being 2 games over .500 this late in the season with the division on the line as opposed to being buried somwhere around 3-9 at this time normally.
Trust No One
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by TAW on Dec 7, 2010 7:04 AM PST up reply actions
Well If you want to rationalize one game......
Why not the S.F. and Miami games also !! Me, Myself think that All 3 games were give-aways by us !!! We would/should/could be 9-3, and not worry about winning out, but not having any let downs !!! Considering we beat them the here is a plus for us, we’re already in their heads !!! Now throw in the fact, We spanked Denver’s azz, in Denver, and turn it around, Denver put a 50 burger on KC’s azz, in KC !!! Don’t think we can’t go into KC, and do the same thing !!! Not saying we gonna score 50 on them, but our defense is capable of shutting any team we play DOWN, like yesterday, and the offense does the same damn thing !!!!
Well put.....
It’s been too long since a game this late in the season mattered for something more than peeing in some other teams cheerios to wreck their year (Tampa Bay for example). Though there have been some SUBSTANTIAL miscues, both on the field, and on the sidelines, but this time those seem to be genuine growing pains, not the salt in the wound that was rubbed in the last 7 years.
I agree we need to run the table
but, could care less who wins the Chargers-Chiefs game next week. Chiefs win means Chargers are 3 games back and out. Sweet! And if they can run through Rams and Titans (highly unlikely they beat all three) they deserve to make it. Chargers win means we still have two teams to contend with but are one step closer. Sweet! So JUST WIN BABY….. R-A-I-D-E-R-S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Optimistic...
like i said earlier, its our fault we're in this situation. So many missed chances and last week was just a mind fuck..
yes we need SD to win next week, but we still need to basicallygo 4-0, 3-1 will not cut it.
Us going 4-0, and SD going 4-0 is no biggie, but the Chiefs have to loose atleast 2 games. Fuck…i just dont see them loosing 2 games but anything can happen
I want to be the modern day version of Super Mario Brothers!!! Dont care for *shrooms*, but would love to *get large* and *spit fire*...unless im constantly told "thanks, but your girl is in another castle". That would rate a 8.9 on the ole *Suck-ometer*!!!
If San Diego and the Raiders Both Go 4-0:
the best that Kansas City can be is 10-6 because they would have lost to San Diego this week and the Raiders in the last week!
This is getting VERY interesting!!!
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 6, 2010 7:01 PM PST up reply actions
Nice breakdown. We win four games and we go; b/c one of them: St.L, StD or Tenn, will take KC down
The Raiders are good enough to win out and I, for one, resent having to cheer for any division rival to do our work for us.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
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Welcome Back SOB
Agreed on rooting for the rival. Especially SD. Christ, KC is the only team with a winning record they have left to play. Still, I’ll be rooting for them on Sunday.
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by Rich Langford on Dec 6, 2010 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
The Bulgarians are avid sports fans and we watched the Miami game (that started at 11 pm) in Sophia with three natives
who did not spare us their candid opinions of what they thought of our play, i.e. without passion. We celebrate our wins greedily and then come out like we’re attained something the following week and get hammered. We have a young team with only a few leaders and a soft coach; so when someone like Seymour or Nnamdi go down it’ has a drastic effect. I don’t see this changing – this season – and anticipate finishing out 2-2 because only the divisional games provide the emotion necessary for the Raiders to play near their potential. Again, this is a failure of leadership … starting with the benevolent Oaf.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 7, 2010 6:27 AM PST up reply actions
I will be really surprised
If we can go 4.0 to close out the season—I mean, I’ll be ecstatic beyond belief if we do, but I’m not letting one great game go to my head after we stunk it up against Miami the week before and got blasted by Pittsburgh before that. I haven’t seen Jacksonville play this year, so need to take a look at them—I am a little concerned about that game.
The good news for us is that Indy is really struggling with no running game at all. Normally, the Indy game would look hard for us to win, but at home we’d have to be favored right now.
@WorldBLee
Doing it and being able to are two very distinct thngs. I don't believe (after Miami after our showing in Pittsburg) that we will
because there’s something still “off” with our leadership which translates to erratic play from week to week. But, we certainly have the talent to do it … what a shame.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 6, 2010 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
this is what's clear to me,
we’re “off” when nnamdi doesn’t play. The defense is all over the place overplaying and running around every which way. We’re “off” when JC doesn’t have confidence in his WRs’ routes. we’re “off’” when we do not establish the run. “Our leadership” should have never f..k with JC’s head and pulled him after 2 games, thus, creating unnecessary confusion. JC was, is, will be, our best chance of success. Can KC go 2-2, of course. Can we win the next game and take it one at a time? it’s week 13 and we’re in the hunt.
by raiders4liffe on Dec 7, 2010 12:54 AM PST up reply actions
I disagree,
I think JC needed to do what he seems to have done after each benching. Stud up, put on his big boy pants, and go out there with purpose. He’s only going to be able to do so much. Let’s face facts, Oakland is a Run Team. We go out there, eat up the clock, give the Defense some time to rest and recharge, and we’re a problem for anybody else in the NFL. We abandon the run, and try to fall on JC and the recievers, and we get Pitt and Miami, and Campbell gets the blame. (Admittedly, I have tossed him under more than one bus) If we stick to the run, it will force teams to load up the box, and open up the passing game, maybe even a beloved deep ball or two.
Studding up
is a testament to JC’s fortitude. What I’m saying is that pulling your starter after 2 games wasn’t right. The fact that he overcame and came back stronger defines the type of QB that we have. As mentioned, we are a run team and from there we can let it go. Which also means that for us to compete, we can’t get behind by 2 touchdowns early in the game and start panicking away from the run. We just need to win the next game and take it from there; can’t look at the schedule. We’re in it.
by raiders4liffe on Dec 8, 2010 12:14 AM PST up reply actions
well ive seen a few Jags games and MJD is really tearing it up this year..
Im not sure why MJD ran for over 180yrds and yet just put up 17pts on Tenn. Maybe redzone difficulties? All the while intercepting Collins twice..shuda been a blow out to me. Anyway, i believe we can contain MJD and maybe spy on Garrard so he dont run all day, i can see a tough victory if we kill the stupid penalties and stick with the plan.
I want to be the modern day version of Super Mario Brothers!!! Dont care for *shrooms*, but would love to *get large* and *spit fire*...unless im constantly told "thanks, but your girl is in another castle". That would rate a 8.9 on the ole *Suck-ometer*!!!
I don't know if it's because JAX is on the east coast...
…and most people here are on the west coast and don’t see much of the Jags, but it feels like they’re being underestimated. If the Raiders don’t bring the same effort they brought to SD, they will lose this game.
by TexasRaider20 on Dec 7, 2010 6:25 AM PST up reply actions
The Jags played the Titans using the game plan Oakland should have used.
Of course no Vince Young is a big difference however the team is almost a mirror-image of us. I watched the HOU-JAX game a few weeks back. A lot of the game is lost based on the Hail Mary at the end of the game but they were up 17-3 at the half against the Texans. They play very similar to us and have a MLB who we all know and who knows what we do as well. MJD is the most under-rated back in the league based on his numbers and if we can shut him down then we should be able to dictate what they do.
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by TAW on Dec 7, 2010 7:12 AM PST up reply actions
We need only worry about us, and focus on winning each week
while we played a stellar game yesterday, we’ll need to eliminate the moments of flashing back, like the one where we gave up the score to Gates. Too much indecision going on, and it’s coming down to where the whole season can pivot on any single play, so the urgency must last from now until the final blow.
If we can just focus on our own task of winning out, we’ll be golden, and possibly still have a shot at a wildcard whether we win the division or not. The playoff picture will shift quite a bit still in the remaining weeks of December.
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by brhynno on Dec 6, 2010 9:16 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
we got this
as i said when the majority of our fellow bloggers left us for dead going into the charger game we can beat jax and every other opponent on our schedule. We are the mighty OAKLAND RAIDERS and the only thing that can stop us is us. GO RAIDERS
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by the world of oak on Dec 6, 2010 9:18 PM PST reply actions
therein lies the rub
and the only thing that can stop us is us
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 6, 2010 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
Great breakdown.
For me the key is the D. Running the ball is definitely a close second, but I am all about the D. If the D can create some 3 and outs, it is almost impossible to keep the Raiders running game out of its rhythm and then eventually they are just going to wear you down.
And the key to the D is the line. It is the heart and soul of the team. When they are wreaking havoc, the D is successful. When they aren’t and QBs have time, or teams are getting positive yards on every carry, then the D struggles.
Nobody's perfect. ...Well, there was this one guy once, but we killed him.
Let us not forget about the Wild Card!
The Ravens have some tough games left. @Texans, Saints, @Clev, Cinc. Ravens are solid, but a 2-2 finish is not out of the question there. There are no teams between them and the Ravens.
Still, if the Raiders get to 10 wins, they are winning the division. KC is going to lose at least one before they lose to the Raiders.
Nobody's perfect. ...Well, there was this one guy once, but we killed him.
Won't it be a relief when this team is consistent
And we’re not guessing week to week which team is going to show up?
Winning the next four games is very possible.We are finally starting to get healthy with schillens back and nnamdi and zach are looking like themselves again. I think its obvious that if we dont run the ball successfully we are not gonna win. Luckily for us our last 4 games (as stated above)are against teams that arent great at stopping the run. as long as we can run the ball and play defense like we did against the chargers we will win all 4 of our final games, and depending on who we play, maybe a playoff game or two.
I think you're
underselling the Chiefs. Todd Haley could have these guys going good for the next few years. So long as the Raiders keep drafting sprinters who can’t catch they’ll be looking up at the Chiefs. If anyone is build on glue and duct tape its the Raiders. Still, big win in San Diego. How does Norv stick around another year? Yeah, he won’t
based on that last draft it think that drafting style may be over, it was a totally different draft last year
by RyanTheRaider on Dec 7, 2010 12:54 AM PST up reply actions
It was still the same philosophy for the most part. Possibly just got lucky.
by dodgerpreacher on Dec 7, 2010 4:00 AM PST up reply actions
You've been hittin the pipe,
This year, the Uber fast speedster (Ford), and Freakishly Buff project (Soup) got picked up in late rounds.
Soup?
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Bruce Campbell (aka Campbell's soup, soupman)
I don’t think that one is really worth mentioning yet until he shows what he can do.
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by TAW on Dec 7, 2010 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
The point was he was a project,
But he was a project picked up in later rounds. Unlike some past years where “project” players were drafted in the 1st and 2nd. If anyone pulled a severe 1st round flub this year it was the Tim Tebow incident.
The greatest drama - and test - would be a showdown between the two former cellar dwellers in KC for the division crown. It would be, without question,
The Game of the year and its outcome would likely set the tone for the decade.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 7, 2010 6:09 AM PST up reply actions
YES
I see us tripping up and losing one of the next three, probably indy. Therefore, if sd beats the chiefs (which is a must) we need stl or tenn to rise up and beat the chiefs. Of all things, we may need the cincinnati bengals to beat the bolts and save our season. Then, week 17 battle of armageddon at arrowhead.
Or we could just run the table.
by lchristmas on Dec 7, 2010 7:05 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Not that easy
I think what you say is correct, the Raiders may very well lose one of the next 3 and KC may well lose to SD and STL. However the problem with that scenario is that SD has to play SF, CIN and DEN after the KC game, none of which are likely to provide much in the way of competition. In that case SD go 10-6 and the game in Arrowhead means nothing.
I almost think that we have to see KC beat SD this week and hope that they trip up against the Rams and Titans. Or just take care of our own business and run the table.
The Decade
wow um mybe for 3 years but denver will be back by 14
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider
Right out of the "basic insulting of the raiders for dummies" playbook
Can’t wait for your al davis joke, you should also throw in a “faiders”
Again – try reading and understanding every word – even the big ones – before you reply
by lchristmas on Dec 7, 2010 6:57 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
SONS
on our bet i can hounor the writeing part but i was thniking of post it here at first so theNation can heip with with my grammer diffectes so more peopie can read my writeing on MHR and i can do it on AP as well if u want me to let taik after the OAK/DEN game
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider
My friend, let's talk on the other side of that bridge we must soon cross
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 7, 2010 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
Todd Haley?
Try Scott Pioli…he’s the guy pulling the strings in that puppet show. Pioli is why you have Weis and Crennel, not Todd Fucking Haley.
We drafted a sprinter that CAN catch this past season, ask Flowers about him…
Basically everyone expected the Chiefs to improve this season, however, the rapid improvement was a surprise to many that don’t pledge their allegiance to the Texas owned team in Kansas City.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Dec 7, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
Playoffs aren't in the cards this year for ya'll
Far too much Bruce, and not enough Jason Campbell put you in a big hole.
The Chiefs have a namby-pamby schedule in the next 4 weeks plus Week 17 is in Arrowhead. Ya’ll still have a feisty Jacksonville team and a pissed off Colts team. It would be fun if Week 17 meant something, but I’m pretty sure you’ll see a solid 3 quarters of Brodie Croyle throwing to Verran Tucker with Jackie Battle running the rock.
I do appreciate the San Diego ass whooping though.
by craig in calgary on Dec 7, 2010 8:35 AM PST reply actions
I think your right
Too much screwing around with the team , it isn’t until now we get a clear full picture
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
So SD isn't a pissed off team?
Have you been watching the Rams this year? How bout the Titans? Yes they fell of a cliff of late, but sell them short at your peril. The bottom line is that both KC and Oaklnad have 4 games left against NFL teams. There is no such thing as an easy win in the NFL.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Dec 7, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Just found this cool playoff scenario generator
We are in against SD in WC in defense scenario holds true.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/machine
Optimistic...
This is inaccurate.
How could SD get in having the same record as NE when NE beat them head to head? It is a pretty cool toy to play around with though.
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by TAW on Dec 7, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
So, in that scenario
it would be NE vs. Oak? Wow wouldn’t that be cool. However, I don’t think defensive scenarios apply to NE.
Optimistic...
That would be a nightmare and a dream come true all in one.
I would love nothing more than to face Brady and the Pats in the Black Hole in the playoffs. Hopefully next year we’ve worked out all the kinks to ensure this team was a sure-fire SB contender to make that a possibility.
Trust No One
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by TAW on Dec 7, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
I'm still sore about the Snow Job
I would love nothing more than to see Richard Seymour plant that pretty boy into the Oakland turf.
If that was the case, it would be a dream come true!
The RAIDER NATION is the ONLY NATION!!
by oaklandSMASH on Dec 7, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
Is it Wrong to Gloat???
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-tebowmcdaniels120610
;=8)
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
WOW!!! What a fantastic ARTICLE!!!
That is a must read for any Raider fan!!!
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 7, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
I hope the niners take a chance on him
lol
The RAIDER NATION is the ONLY NATION!!
by oaklandSMASH on Dec 7, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Tebow is booty
said it all along. Not an NFL guy, and never will be.
The next Rick Mirer.
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
u couild be right
brhynno but if u not
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider
To quote SF Giants fans (whom as an A's fan I hate just as much as SF Whiner fans)
Don’t Stop Believin’!
Nobody says we can get the playoffs and that is the chip the Raiders need to wear to win out and get in the playoffs.
We have the slimmest of margins, but it is better than having all hopes dashed like the last few years.
I believe SD will play with a little passion after getting curbstomped by us which will give us the little daylight we need to smash through the Playoff bubble and take what is ours!
The RAIDER NATION is the ONLY NATION!!
Don't Stop Believin'
Even if the Chiefs take down the Chargers. One less team to contend with. There are 4 games left. A lot can happen. This season is destined for the Raiders to go through Arrowhead.
Optimistic...
WE CAN DO THIS!!!
I think we can run thru these last 4 teams. Indy was my only concern, but they look awful of late. However, we need to take this one week at a time. So we need to focus on Jax this weekend. We can talk about all kind of scenarios, but after this weekend everything can change.
BELIEVE!!!!
THE AUTUMN WIND IS HERE TO SAIL US TO VICTORY!!!!!
GO RAIDAZ!!!!
by RaiderDevastate1 on Dec 7, 2010 1:29 PM PST reply actions
You're right, we CAN do this
your also right in saying, let’s not look past the Jags. It will be like playing ourselves, these two teams being very similar run first type offenses. We need to show up on the east coast ready to play with the same intensity and motivation that we showed in the division games, cut it loose, take it to them and get this win.
We need to stop their run and force them to pass to beat us, just like they need to try and stop our run game and force us to beat them with JC. With all the playoff implications I expect this to be knock down drag out, that we must win!
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
To quote Jake Taylor
“There just one thing left to do, then. Win the whole…fuckin…thing…”
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Dec 7, 2010 2:25 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Why I very much want SD to win this weekend ...
1) An SD win + Raider win at JAX puts us directly into control of our own destiny by bringing the division leader within one game ahead of us. A Chiefs win delays that, and REALLY puts them on a roll w/4 straight W’s. Our destiny in our hands would do wonders for my own peace of mind, and I imagine could help the team’s as well :)
2) It would also open up the slight possibility that we could win the Division before we even go into KC for the last game, because it reduces their division record to 2-3 w/only one div. game left, when we are 4-0. IOW, if they lose 3 straight, and we win 3 straight, we clinch before we even go there (provided SD loses one of their other two). Basically a Chiefs win makes it an absolute lock that we’ll have to beat them at Arrowhead.
Getting the Chiefs to 2-3 in the division and only one game ahead of us is more important IMHO than putting SD further behind us. SD should be of no concern if we simply TCOB.
If SD wins
it is very likely that they will not lose again with SF, Cin, and Den following. That would force us to go undefeated the rest of the way which I would like but I’m trying to be realistic. I think the chances of the Chiefs dropping to the Rams and/or Titans has better odds. I’m not rooting for KC or SD, but I would sure like to see those Chargers done for and not accidentally slipping in the way they usually do. SD wins tie-breaker with KC in Conference if they win out. Sorry, but I want the Chargers gone and if KC can win 3 in a row then hats off.
The Autumn Wind is here. Time to set sail.
by Porcupine on Dec 7, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm much more concerned with us being concerned with us
We can’t leave anything to chance, therefore, maintain the sense of urgency and win all games as if our playoff hopes depend on it.
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
I was just stating facts
I’m rooting for Raiders and no one else.
The Autumn Wind is here. Time to set sail.
I can dig it.
I’m just saying. Let’s just win out. I’d like to know we’ve put the inconsistency behind us if we hope to make a bid INTO the playoffs.
I want to see just one Raider team take the field on Sundays: the one that shellacked a team boasting the number one offense and defense going into the game. We made them look pretty mediocre, on both sides of the ball, no?
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
by brhynno on Dec 7, 2010 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Going to be an Awesome Win...I might even fly home to go...
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Dec 7, 2010 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
+ We didn't beat the Chargers twice so the rest of division could go fuck it up
They are and have been the reigning champs of the West for several years now. Chiefs need to finish the job on them and take their title away. We will still have a chance to settle our score with the Chiefs.
The Autumn Wind is here. Time to set sail.
ha ha! nice touch, Jake
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Well, you've seen my argument ...
And I agree your points are also valid.
I consider it a given that we’ll need to win out, so, in my mind, the sooner there’s a carrot in front of the team that says ‘IF YOU WIN THEM ALL YOU WILL GO, PERIOD’, the better. It’s my perception of this being an extra motivator over anything esp. ‘real’ in terms of how things are going to play out w/records and such.
Bottom-line y’all are 100% correct that we need to TCOB ourselves, and not worry about the rest. But my gut feeling is still … it’s better for us if SD wins. But there’s good cases to be made for either way being basically the same outcome for us, esp. since SD’s schedule after is such a cakewalk.
by Brett J Valjalo on Dec 7, 2010 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
um Denver
on the road will not be a cakewaik u see what couild happed is denver finesesh 6-10 when Oakland is favored to win like they will be in 2 weeks oakland has a bad habit of playeng great 1 week bad the next oakland plays better when everyone thinks they will lose u do not want denver 3-13 4-12 because we might hire gruden and get top 5 picks
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider
Oakland is 0-2 in early games this year I believe.
They lost by an average of 37-8 so whatever the plan was in those two games needs to be burned along with the game tape as no good can come from trying to over analyze those aberrations.
Trust No One
Studies show stress can kill you, but don't worry about it.
If it comes down to Chiefs/Raiders in week 17 for the division....
It should be on primetime. Although Chicago and Green Bay would probably get the time slot.
looking way
too far ahead. Need to focus on the next game or week 17 won’t mean much. One game at a time, one qtr at a time, one play at a time. Playoff mode is about winning, not styling; whatever it takes, pretty ball doesn’t mean much. Win ugly is perfectly fine.
by raiders4liffe on Dec 8, 2010 12:18 AM PST up reply actions
chunks of yardage
If the raiders throw in some high percentage screen plays, it will open the field for some serious yards.With the backs they have why not?
wild card chance
I beleive their is a good chance that the jets, who just got beat down by the pats will give up their wild card spot.facing miami next week in ny(miami 5-1 on road).then@ pittsbugh,@chicago,then buffalo @ home.buffalo has nothing to play for!no pressure. putting them @9-7 not sure of tie breakin rules here ,but who knows raiders could get in going 3-1 the rest of the way!!!
Either way, it's been a good year
for us. It’s been a while since we could seriously muster the word ‘playoffs’. I’m excited to see it play out. It might be a good thing too, that Matt Cassel is out with an appendectomy.
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