New York Jets "Allegedly" Tamper with Nnamdi Asomugha
by birds'n'raiders on Feb 1, 2010 12:39 PM PST
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Via Profootballtalk:
"C'mon, I'm fiesty! You can't punish me."
The good news is that Jets coach Rex Ryan possibly has come up with a way to get people to quit talking about his middle finger misadventures. The bad news is that the diversion could get him in a lot more trouble than the flipping of a bird.
Per Tim Graham of ESPN.com, Raiders cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha wants to be a Jet. And Asomugha says that he has spoken not only to Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis regarding the possibility, but also to Ryan himself.
Uh-oh.
The problem is that Ryan can't talk to Asomugha about acquiring the shut-down cornerback's rights. Even if Asomugha intiated the contact, Ryan has an absolute obligation to refrain from speaking to the player, and to immediately report the contact from Asomugha to the league office.
Here's the relevant language of the Anti-Tampering Policy: "If a club is contacted by a player (or his representative) who is under contract to or whose negotiating rights are held by another club, and such player had not been given permission to deal with other clubs, or such player is not in a permissible negotiating period under the terms of an operative collective bargaining agreement, then the contacted club is prohibited from talking or otherwise dealing with the player or his representative, and the contacted club must immediately report such contact to the owner or operating head of the club which holds the player's rights."
And consider the Berkeley-educated Asomugha's comment -- "Me and Revis have been talking to Rex to try to do something." The choice of words implies multiple direct communications between Asomugha, who has two years remaining on his deal with the Raiders, and Ryan.
Of course, Asomugha likely would invoke the Lawyer Milloy defense, claiming after letting the cat out of the bag that he was misquoted and/or that he misspoke. But at a time when Ryan is proving that he's as reckless and unpredictable as a dog driving a Dodge, the league has no choice but to deal with the situation, with or without a tampering claim being made by the Raiders.
Then again, if anyone thinks that the Raiders will be bashful about bashing the Jets over this one, consider the beliefs of owner Al Davis that the Patriots tampered with receiver Randy Moss prior to the trade that sent him to New England.
Oh god...well, on the bright side, we might get the Jets' 1st round pick if the NFL deems it tampering.
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I say trade him
Nnamdi didn’t seem quite as good this year and just hasn’t been impressing me as of late. I love Nnamdi, I’ve even talked with him via internet on multiple occasions and he is a great guy. However I hate holding him back from his potential and he hasn’t done much to impact the game for us.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
I say we get their first and maybe even Lito Sheppard along with their 3rd rounder or possibly even second if they’d give it up. But Lito Sheppard to me would be a key piece. Decent veteran corner who could teach our corner of the future (most likely with that Jets pick)
We need as many picks as we can get to strengthen up our O-Line and front seven. Any linebacker and secondary depth are just added perks to that.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
trust me, I'm an eagles fan
Lito Sheppard is done. DONE done. He’s horrible. We don’t want him.
by birds'n'raiders on Feb 1, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
Asomugha
I’m open to trading him even though he’s my favorite athlete in all of sports. I wouldn’t want Lito Sheppard back. He was benched in favor of Dwight Lowery in the AFC title game. Instead of picks, I’d prefer players. Hm, Julius Peppers isn’t coming back to Carolina.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 1, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
I'd trade him to Cleveland
who would die for him.
And in the process, pick up a 2nd & 6th rounder this year, and a 1st rounder next year, and a 1st rounder the year after.
Browns
I think they need impact players offensively first, particularly at wide receiver.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 1, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
They need to shore up their secondary in a bad way,
and if they pick up that shut down corner from Florida in the draft, and trade for Asomugha, they’d be set.
Or they can pick up Bryant in the draft, and still trade for Asomugha.
will you go with him?
You can be his personal cheer leader on their site.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
Nawww,
I’ll stick around here to advocate for whichever dark horse player Al acquires, but is unable to develop.
That list seems to be getting longer.
In the 1st Rd.
SOB pointed out Al’s nack for picking up gems in the later rounds and he had a good point in fact, But when doesn’t SOB have a good point :)
Thats what she said
It's those first rounders that get the most money
so maybe we should just give up every 1st pick.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
Seeing on our draft history
That would make sense. Thats actually a good idea haha
Thats what she said
No joke, we should trade down get multiple draft picks for our
first (the Gruden curse is upon us (I don’t really believe that)).
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 1, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
im pretty sure
its the same as the BAMBINO curse . considering 1] the only reason we lost that SB was his inside working knowlege of our team and audibles 2] we got nothing from the picks we got for him … so we are to be cursed for next 100 years [ haha ] or it might just be 10 . since gruden realy wasnt the next V.Lombardi after all . yea i said it . sure he worked wonders here . but was handed at champion team in Tampa and after winning the SB that team went NO WHERE . I bet they are sooo glad he could scount talent in tampa [[ hahah ]]
# 2
throw in Dick & D-Bey … let’s make a clean sweep of it.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 1, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
If this has any truth to it then WTF were Asomugha's statements about retaining Cable
for team stability and cohesiveness?? I won’t unload on the guy b/c he’s been playing great football and because this isn’t yet hard enough evidence. But I will say this, he’s been running his mouth a lot lately.
fuel to the fire.
he was on the New York Jets jock on 1st & 10 on ESPN a couple days back picking them to win the superbowl.
by TICAL-MATIC_15 on Feb 1, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
Well once you get to
the caliber of playing he does, I guess you get to do that. I don’t think Davis would let him go.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
NOOOOOOO!
not only because he is awesome and he is on the raiders, but because its the JETS! NO!!!
also the fact that he’s on of the bright spots and veterans on this defense.
Interesting Quotes
“Me and Revis have been talking to Rex to try to do something,” Asomugha said. “You may see us in the future. There’s a little bit of talk going on. Either he’s coming to Oakland or something else will happen.”
Said Revis: “Me and him have talked about it, but I can’t really control that situation. I don’t know if he can either.”
I didn’t think Asomugha would say something like that. We don’t really know that he said it, but the source seems reliable to me. I don’t think Tim Graham would have a reason to lie.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 1, 2010 2:53 PM PST reply actions
Nhamdi
If he don’t wanna be here, Then get him out of here. I love the guy, He’s been a great Raider. But we all knew this day was coming. I mean, C’Mon, The best corner in the league playing ofr one of the worst teams in the league. Of course he was gonna eventually want bigger and better things
Thats what she said
I would take Revis but if the deal goes the other way the Jet's would need to part
with their OT Brickashaw or their Center Mangold …plus a late round pick.
The Jets
Have a GREAT O-Line. We need to jump on that and snatch up on of em. And a 3rd Rd. Pick. That would give us like 5 Picks in the first 3 rounds right?
Thats what she said
We could sweeten the deal with Bey - the Jets need a fast receiver and another CB
so we part with N.A. and pick up Brickashaw and Mangold, voila! – half our offense’s problems are solved – then pick up Bruce Campbell in the 1st round (if McClain is gone) and we have ourselves a first rate O-line before before Mother’s Day.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 1, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
Interesting take
But if we give them Dick and Nhamdi, Then we get Brickashaw and a 2nd maybe. Plus, Giving them both of our best Defensive players will give the Jets one of the Best defenses in years
Thats what she said
How is that insulting our D?
We have a good D. But part of that is because our shutdown corner. Without him, where does that leave our Defense?
Thats what she said
Have you not retraced your musings for reckless words?
Very well, you insulted the decent defensive players when you elevated Dick to one of our best defensive players.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 1, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
Much worse than that
You called Seymour one of the best two players!!! This is a grave insult to players like Branch, Scott, and Howard.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 1, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
Oh Im sorry
I guess a 5 Time Pro Bowler and All Decade team starter doesn’t qualify as one of our better defensive players..Im not saying that Branch, Scott or Howard or bad! Im saying that Dick means alot to the D-Line and losing him would be equal to losing Nhamdi in our Secondary, Or Howard in our LB Corps
Thats what she said
Baulderdash, he's a bum and a False Raider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 1, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
Is he no better than Nhamdi?
Dick isn’t talking to other D-Line men in the league and other head coaches about a possible merge between the two. If anyone is the “False Raider” than it is Nhamdi sadly enough. Dick has proclaimed he WANTS to be in Oakland.
Thats what she said
It's the way someone plays the game that determines whether
or not they’re a True Raider, not their off-field skulduggery.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 1, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
So your saying
That if Phillip Rivers was our QB and he played terrific every sunday, But off the field he constantly insulted the Organization and the Coaching staff and said he was better than Blanda, Plunkett and Gannon combined. He would still be a true Raider due to the fact he played well? Am I right?
Thats what she said
If he was playing great on Sunday and we were winning
Hell Fucking Yes!
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 1, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
Guys that are playing well on teams that are winning
don’t make such remarks off the field [except when they think their not being paid enough].
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 1, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
Well that wasn't the question
presented during the Rivers hypothetical was it?
So your saying
That if Phillip Rivers was our QB and he played terrific every sunday, But off the field he constantly insulted the Organization and the Coaching staff and said he was better than Blanda, Plunkett and Gannon combined. He would still be a true Raider due to the fact he played well? Am I right?
You answered:
If he was playing great on Sunday and we were winning
Hell Fucking Yes!
So now let’s take part the hypothetical. Rivers is playing for Raiders. Winning. Still blowing his mouth off. Going by that hypothetical only. Is he a true Raider?
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
Not at all
In my opinion. Sad thing is, If this actually happened, Al would keep him around due to the fact that oaklands winning
Thats what she said
You've changed the original hypothetical
which had Rivers playing “terrific every sunday”
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 1, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
What do you mean?
I think he ment by “Winning”, He ment that would Involve Phillip playing terrific.
Thats what she said
I changed the hypotheical?
I copied and pasted the EXACT hypothetical presented by Remix. What exactly did I change?
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
It's when you paraphrased it
“So now let’s take part the hypothetical. Rivers is playing for Raiders. Winning. Still blowing his mouth off. Going by that hypothetical only. Is he a true Raider?”
Totally different scenario but I could answer it if you want.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 1, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
Fine
I’ll bite. I used winning as a synonym for playing good. Whatever. Answer the original hypothetical instead of dodging it.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
If a player is on the consistently
winning side and is “blowing his mouth off” (as you put it) then, for me, that is not enough to warrant keeping that player or calling him a True Raider.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 1, 2010 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
But "the original hypothetical"
has the big mouthed player playing “terrific every Sunday” and winning.
I can live with that player, for he is a True Raider.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 1, 2010 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
so if they're skill is great
it’s okay to be back stab the organization verbally. Good to know where your standards are. Winning is great. There’s more to the world than just winning.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
Vince Lombardi, Al Davis and me
When it come to football, winning is everything.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 1, 2010 6:26 PM PST up reply actions
yeah screw the kids who watch the game!
fuck being role models!
So, if "X" is playing "terrific every Sunday"
moshido – that’s the essence of True Raiderhood. The 60minutes, full-0ut ball-2-the-walls, terrific and clutch performance, dominate, intimidate, and punish.
Thank you.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 1, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
Your Welcome? lol
I guess you can live with a FAKE QB playing for us as long as were winning. I couldn’t tho
Thats what she said
so it's okay if he runs his mouth but other playesr
and Al and the organization as long as he’s playing well?
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
not entirely un-apropos
Rex Ryan cracks me up—he da man, flicking off fans at a mixed-martial arts event. The guy apologized profusely for his MIS-take…
http://www.metro.us/us/article/2010/02/02/04/2052-82/index.xml
by Spirals galore on Feb 1, 2010 7:53 PM PST up reply actions
If the CBA is reached, and we sign him, he gets $12.4 Million
are you suggesting that DS contemplates a bigger contact than the franchise tag?! For what? (This is becoming the “new Cable” thing)
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 1, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
how is it becoming the new cable thing.
And if they sign him long term, why wouldn’t he be worth 12.4 over all the years?
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
He didn't proclaim that recently. In fact, Dick made it clear he
was open to any team out their but NE.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 1, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
He did say
Oak was play off caliber minus a few people. And he did use the word “we” instead of “they”
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
Well considering he was under contract and working out
with the team, why wouldn’t he use “we”? And most of already knew that"with a few more players and coaches or, the way you phrased it, “minus a few people” were playoff caliber. So what? Does that make you flush with warmth and loyalty for him because he said something we’ve been saying. But, Dick went on he predicted that we would go to the playoffs so he’s a windbag blowing blue smoke in Oakland
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 1, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
Or a believer
Maybve he truley believes Oakland is playoff caliber. I believe Oakland is. Are you saying Oaklands not playoff material?
Thats what she said
Hah! Are trying to make me laugh?
Honestly, with Cable calling plays, Bush not getting the ball, Bey being played and chicken fighting with every CB instead of running routes, with Russell on the roster, and people like Cooper and Green on the line, with Kelly and Seymour and Warren and Routt and CJ… I could go on, but, if you don’t get it by now there’s little hope.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 1, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
I have one word for you my friend
BRUCE!!!!!!!!!!!! Even with all those names you through out there, We still managed to beat playoff teams. Hell, Even without Bruce we beat good teams. Fucking JaMarcus Russel beat the Eagles, Charlie Frye beat the Broncos for christ sake! Half of your problems were solved with the hiring of Hue Jackson(Hopefully) And we all have been talking about the future of the draft for our Defense and Offensive Line
Thats what she said
I have no loayalty towards him
But you let your hate fester for the wrong people. Seymour didn’t seek the Raiders out.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
It's his playing on the field that made me hate him.
Do you think I hate him just because he resembles a brontosaurus?
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 1, 2010 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know
I just see you bash him constantly even though we gave up a 1st round pick for him so we’ll probably keep him. You never blame the person that actually brings these alleged bad players in. It was his first year w/ new guys. You don’t think he deserves another year to get situated w/ the system and personnel?
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
Excuse me, I had to vomit
He’s a seasoned professional whose played DE a ton. Greg Ellis and Trevor Scott played DE much better than he did – throw in Shaughnessy too.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 1, 2010 5:18 PM PST up reply actions
Yes for about 4 games
he’s even worse there
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 1, 2010 5:23 PM PST up reply actions
He must have been, why else
did he play so poorly?
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 1, 2010 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
He did nothing in the best game our Defensive Line played all year
that was the 2nd Denver game. His great days are behind him and the fact that you’re still pouring praises on him indicates you’re not watching the recent games closely enough or objectively enough.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 1, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
he's 30 years old, playing DT more than End, gets double teamed frequently since the raiders d-line is average, first year learning the schemes, we hardly blitz(which if we did, i would think "Dick" would have better games).
All I can say is, is that you only look at numbers, which can be an illusion sometimes to what is actually happening which causes those numbers. “Dick” should be kept here, and his “glory days” are not behind him by any means.
efff Namdi then.... JK If he wants out, no problem I want him to be on a winning team not a dump like this...
Although I have a feeling that we’re on the way up and will make the playoffs this season.
The RaiderLaker
Only IF we get o-line in draft. and keep Seymore. Unless we get that guy Graham who looks unstoppable.
The RaiderLaker
Even if we don't pursue him we'll still have 4 DEs if we move Scott back (I like him on the end)
and put McClain in the middle with Ho & Mo on either side.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 1, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
Haha
Ho&Mo. How funny.lol. But, With McClain in there. Good God! We got ourselves one hell of a LB situation for the next 4 yrs
Thats what she said
this combination would make our LB line immediately successful; it would become
the famous: *HO,MO-RO
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 1, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
No. You got it wrong.
It should be McHomo. Sounds like a mickey d’s special in the Castro.
by TICAL-MATIC_15 on Feb 1, 2010 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
im telling u
al davis isnt gonna let his best player go to the jets
why dont we start thinking of revos coming to the raiders
i like that idea better
Contract dump
I would send them Aso and JRuss in an instant to dump two shitty contracts if the Jets would overpay. Mangold is a stud but is at the end of his rookie contract and is going to cash in as the highest paid center in the league. Perhaps someone like Ferguson and a descent pick package which would have to include at least one 1st. They would have to eat two terrible contracts which would work against us but give us a top 5 value player who has some terms of service. What we would do with the pics is another matter.
"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra
Not likely
The GM that take Russell and his excessively bloated contract will soon find his ass on the unemployment line. We can get a set of pads and a couple of balls in a trade for Russell but thats all. Oh and maybe we will also have to eat a huge piece of his contract I would guess.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 2, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
So let me Understand this:
Y’all are willing to trade away Nnamdi…our BEST player on defense..part of the reason why we aren’t Embarassed on defense besides the run week in and week out…for a Round 1 pick, a Round 2 pick, aod possibly an Offensive Lineman.
You must be kidding me.
That means that UNLESS we sign some BOSS corner in FA, or get a VERY sweet Corner in The Draft, that out starting cornerback would be…CJ?
If this happens, then Goodbye Pass defense. because we will be lit up for yards ALL OVER the damn field.
Nnamdi needs to STAY.
Plus, Russel hasn’t proven himself YET.
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Feb 1, 2010 7:13 PM PST reply actions
I'd hate NNamdi to go. Hell, he's a fellow alumnus!
On the other hand, if he is already entertaining ideas about leaving, do you think it’s smart to keep him?
by Spirals galore on Feb 1, 2010 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
Me too! The only circumstance I'd like for Nnam to go, is if it's to a Super Bowl winner. I'd hate to see him be the great player he is on a team that keeps losing if we do.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
there are no ELITE corners in the draft.
maybe one, but thats it.
I'll say this:
First, I think that it’s more of a wild wish, because you know, people, and players, dream of those situations. I don’t think that it’s because he does not want to be a raider anymore. The reason why is because I believe that he would have said it himself if that were the case.
Second, He is one of the keys holding this whole defense down. Okay, so If we do get a Proper NT, a proper MLB, and Trade Nnamdi, then we have to deal with our Secondary. And if CJ plays the way he did THIS year, and we get a Corner that Does not play anywhere close to Nnamdi’s level, then we might be in trouble. And, if the proper players that are needed are NOT acquired, then out defense WILL be in the low ranks for BOTH the run and pass.
And, we’re facing Phillip Rivers Twice every sunday, and guess who were’ facing this year? Matt Schaub AGAIN. Rothelisberger AGAIN. PEYTON MANNING.If we lose Nnamdi, and our Defense doesn’t show what everybody thinks it’s showing right now, then I would be SURPRISED if we win 7 games.
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Feb 1, 2010 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
why trade the best man corner in the league
when we play man 99% of the time? if anything revis better pack his bags and become an east bay baller.
That is far more likely. NA is not going to the Jets.
In a league where the art of man-to-man has kind of gone out of style, that could bring it back," Asomugha said. "You always want that as a player, to have that guy on the other side of you that’s equally as talented and can make plays. It fuels you a little bit. We’d been joking around with [AFC coach] Norv Turner throughout practices all week, and with [NFL commissioner] Roger Goodell. He said they probably wouldn’t allow us on the same team.
Yahoo reported that Nnamdi was using to Pro Bowl to “playfully recruit” Revis.
"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra
That's a positive way of looking at it and, in light of Nnamdi's recent comments about
team stability and continuity, etc. it makes more sense. (Unless he got carried away.)
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 1, 2010 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
I have a few reasons to believe that SB.
For one the Jet’s play 70% zone coverage and already have the #1 defense in the league. In 2011’ Aso’s contract will trigger a huge payout of at least 16.8 million and it is tough to believe the Jet’s are going to want to dump that cash into a shutdown corner when their scheme doesn’t require it. The Raiders on the other hand play 90% man coverage and I could see Al getting caught up in the Hayes/Haynes of the 80’s fantasy. The Jets are far more likely to push that cash towards retaining Ferguson and Mangold to protect their investment in Sanchez.
I have some other rants about Aso being surprisingly loyal to the city of Oakland but I may bore some of the people here. None of which are “insider” worthy of course as I don’t know Aso on a personal level. Let me go on record and say as entertaining as it is to toss around the hypothetical I don’t believe the two will be playing on the same team.
"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra
After digesting the disturbing news yesterday, I tend to agree with you about Nam
and your assessment sounds closer to how things really are. Oz also raised the possibility that he was using the media to blow the whistle on Rex Ryan’s inappropriate conduct. I feel bad for probably underestimating Aso who has never given me any reason to for complaint (except for supporting Cable when the right course of action would have been the tar and feathers).
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 2, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
You guys are ridiculous for wanting him gone
You dont appreciate something till it’s gone and you will miss Nnamdi
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
I dont think thats what is meant
Not that I would speak for everyone here but I think a team must always consider what is in the best interest of the team no matter who could be traded. IF you still come out on top positively with a trade you should pull the trigger barring any disharmony within the team
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 2, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
if he's worth anything
it’s a first round pick and bartt scott(or one of the o-lineman like mangold and that left tackle who I forgot his name.).
League fined Rex $50,000 for flipping-off some guy at a MMA event
Seems way excessive … unless payback for improper intercourse with Aso (that they haven’t a case on).
Do you really think it's excessive?
The middle finger is the same as saying “Fuck you”.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
thanks, Mike, I didn't know that
The behavior, somatic or verbal, is widespread, but not everyone is fined $50,000 for it. As a matter of fact, people are rarely fined for doing it. Plus, I am not sure that the very NFL people who made the decision to fine him abstain from such behavior. If they don’t, they are PC hypocrits shrouded in commercial fears.
by Spirals galore on Feb 3, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
The Commissioner seems to be very quick to fine big change for relatively small infractions. While to use 50k sounds alot, to a coach getting payed millions it’s not so much. So I looked at it that way. And the fact he did it in a public venue. The man should know better.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
you don't get fined anything for saying derivatives of the word on this blog
by Spirals galore on Feb 3, 2010 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
come on, Mike
I thought you were an equal opportunity guy
by Spirals galore on Feb 3, 2010 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
I expect some reverse logic arguing from your other half. But why would we be fined by the league for saying things when we don’t represent the league any way? Ryan represents the Jets and therefore also the NFL. So the league has the right to fine him. And, what I didn’t realize til I just double checked something, the league didn’t fine him. Only the Jets did. But again he works for the jets and he represents the jets. We do not work for or represent the Raiders in official capcity. So I don’t understand where you’re comment about being equal opportunity comes in?
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Goodell will often impose fines, but the pressure is usually on the team to do it
and Goodell steps in when he feels the team’s dealing with it are “inappropriate or inadequate,” following the proper investigations of course (not on the details, but how the team deals with the problem, first).
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Fucking A +
One of the privileges of being an American citizen is freedom of expression. Americans have died to defend our rights, such as ‘freedom of speech’ (which the Supreme Court has extended to body language and symbols) and those rights are guaranteed. The League is either trying to 1) raise money, 2) appear politically correct, or 3) was paying Ryan back for the inappropriate solicitation re Asomugha.
How much would you fine Johnny for this communication?
there are mile of grey area between the two and the conservative approach is therefore
the better course, i.e. allow the freedom that our forefathers sacrificed so much for.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 3, 2010 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
you, twister of proper logic and erector of falacies!
by Spirals galore on Feb 3, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, wasn't that at the show at Folsom?
I’m pretty sure the prisoners appreciated Johnny’s “sticking it to the man!”
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
1) is probably true,
2) as well, but I am not sure about 3).
Plus, you engage in “the straw man falacy.”
by Spirals galore on Feb 3, 2010 5:44 PM PST up reply actions
Well
the Jets fined him not the league
While we do have freedom of expression, verbal assault is still simple assault. At least in my state any way. Cursing someone out would be disorderly conduct. Flipping a person off is the equivalent of saying “Fuck You”.
Plus the fact that he works for the Jets and therefore they have the right to fine him because while you think it falls under freedom of expression, it is still generally considered a rude gesture/phrase.
I don’t doubt also if you started flipping people off from other schools that your college would have a word or 2 with you…
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Good to know, hope the League stats the fuck out of it.
I though New Yorkers were more sophisticated and wouldn’t act all squeamish like candy-ass feminized pear-shaped men.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 3, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think the Jets
were wrong to fine him. Don’t forget networks get fined for allowing such words to accidentally be said on the air. So why should Ryan not be held accountable?
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well would you rather suspend him
for such a thing? Or perhaps we should take all their draft picks?
or do you believe giving a stern talking to a man that should know better and holds a high profile job would be sufficient?
“Now Rex, that was bad bad thing to do. Don’t ever do it again.” What is he? 12? He knows right from wrong.
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No, I said I'm not going to pontificate on him,
but rather ask him strategic questions about what happened. I do this all the time with my students (you can’t believe the flick-offs that take place between students).
by Spirals galore on Feb 3, 2010 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
Bleh
How many of them do it again.
Conversation only goes so far. Especially starting at college level. They should have grown up past the primal instinct inflicting a swear word/slur on teach other. I can understand a heated debate and emotions getting the best of you, but not to just do it for no reason other than a form of dislike.
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conversation is the only way
It always starts a process, and I am patient.
Listen, it’s not a matter of shutting someone up—as a matter of fact, that doesn’t work with me at all. That’s what fines do—they make you shut up in public maybe, but they don’t convince you to change the offensive behavior. To actually help the other person realize that the behavior is wrong and stop engaging in it, you have to guide them into realizing they have done wrong. And this doesn’t happen overnight.
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Trust me, I know: many a times I have been an ashole foaming at the mouth (and still am—hopefully, only at times). I remember several particularly emabarrassing (in retrospect) encounters, when I thought that I had won the “contest.”
by Spirals galore on Feb 3, 2010 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
It's not 3
First off, the Jets fined him not the league. Le that little dramatic episode go now. It’s over. It’s nothing. This also answers #1. The Jets fined him not the league.
Number 2 could make sense and works for both the team and the league, had the league decided to penalize him too.
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Hey, I learned how to swear and show middle finger in junior high, and practiced it until at one point I was raising my hand with the middle finger protruding (couldn’t bring it down). Teachers were not on my team; yet, other than being summoned to the principal’s office, nobody fined me. BTW, I am fluent in swearing in my native tongue, but in English, I am a very proper female (except occasionally).
But again
how do you not understand? He represents the Team by being their head coach. The gesture was done specifically to Miami fans. You know the team that’s an opponent in the division. The Jets decided fine the guy because it was obviously meant to be geared towards these people. It could fall under unsportsmanlike conduct. Again let’s say you started flipping kids off from other colleges. Do you think you’re boss wouldn’t have a problem w/ that?
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oh yes,
but am not going to fine the offender. Hitting someone in the pocket does not amount to edification—he’ll continue to do it in secret, and I call this hypocricy.
What I would do if I were the manager is a Socratic conversation with Rex—not telling him what to do but seducing him into realizing he is wrong.
by Spirals galore on Feb 3, 2010 6:09 PM PST up reply actions
If he worked for a regular company
and wasn’t so high profiled on a high profiled team in a high profiled organization, that would probably work. However, he represents the Jets and the NFL. While the NFL feels the “local management” did enough, they could fine him also.
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but I don't think they had the Socratic conversation with him first
by Spirals galore on Feb 3, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
Why would that be required?
What’s to debate? He committed the wrong, now he has to be accountable.
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Is this method not one that involves questioning and answering, designed to guide the learner
to autonomy of thought? Interesting; is that not what we do here?
I can see how Mike would call that “debate”, however. Often, MIke demonstrates prowess as a debater, no? I think he has a propensity to engage in debate, especially where necessary. I know we’ve all been the benefactor of his staunch defense of our solid positions, and a quick caller of bullshit when we’re not.
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Then "15 yards" was the appropriate penalty
or push ups; make that fat-ass coach do 15 push-ups to keep his job. But $50,000.00 for that is obscene. Think about the proportionality, for example, people in India working for $2/day, they would have to work the rest of their lives to pay off that fine. Is that right?
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 3, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
That's a good idea
set up a bad-behavior fund with 25% going to Haiti and other hardship places. The league (or Jet’s – who I now officially hate) could turn bad behavior into a virtue.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 3, 2010 6:16 PM PST up reply actions
oh good
more hatred for you not let go of and rant about.
I’d rather have them send the money to the kids in this country than over seas, but any charity would be a good thing.
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It's impossible to love a virute without hating its opposite vice
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 3, 2010 6:20 PM PST up reply actions
you can hate all you want
I don’t care. I just don’t want to see it interwoven int every comment you make now like you do w/ Cable and Seymour.
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methinks he's as bombastic when he types as you
by Spirals galore on Feb 3, 2010 6:23 PM PST up reply actions
I resent that
I don’t try to impress people. I do try to get my point across.
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Mike, chill
I like you quite a bit. And Blanda knows it.
by Spirals galore on Feb 3, 2010 6:27 PM PST up reply actions
as a matter of fact
I quite like your points, just mind the delivery sometimes.
by Spirals galore on Feb 3, 2010 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
well I don't deny
I’m little brassy. It took my best friend some time to get used to me actually, and I even tried to tone it down w/ him. But it’s hard.
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you don't need to tone it down here
I got used to you
by Spirals galore on Feb 3, 2010 6:32 PM PST up reply actions
I've come to terms with him. He isn't a MLB but is a sure tackler
even though regrettably not a punishing one. He often gets duped and is out of position and, of course, he isn’t the brightest star in the heavens, but he is so much better than some of the others that he doesn’t draw my wrath.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 3, 2010 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
and the Donkeys, StD, Cowpies, and every team playing in a dome
except for the Saints.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 3, 2010 6:27 PM PST up reply actions
Hear about that group of Catholics
That went over to Haiti and started “swooping” up kids, They said they were doing the right thing.lol
Thats what she said
Hear about the group of protestants with I.Q.'s over 120?
neither have I.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 3, 2010 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
when with men, I talk like a man
(paraphrase of Paul)
by Spirals galore on Feb 3, 2010 6:20 PM PST up reply actions
If the woman loves her father and her father loves sports ... she's got the potential
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 3, 2010 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
Indeed
and it goes the same w/ relationships. They’ll make an effort to follow a sport because they’re boyfriend/husband and then they get into it.
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tell me about it--both a father and a husband
And a BROTHER!!!
by Spirals galore on Feb 3, 2010 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
why the jets also tamper with every bay area player
the jets should definitely be deducted a first rd pick. they probably tampered with my 49ers and michael crabtree(could of been on the all rookie team if played whole year), crabtree still had about 500 yards despite missing time. now they want to mess with Nnamdi Asomugha , deduct another first rounder but in 2011. i hate the jets because they stole mark sanchez.
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