The NFL Has Created a Labor Update Website:
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Feb 13, 2010 11:05 AM PST
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"We want an agreement," NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said at his Super Bowl press conference on February 5. "We want an agreement that’s fair to the game, to the players and [one that] will allow us to continue to invest in the game. The idea that ownership would want a work stoppage is absolutely false. You don’t make money by shutting down your business. It’s a bad scenario for everybody."
NFL clubs voted unanimously in May 2008 not to extend the agreement beyond the 2010 season because their costs were rising faster than their revenues. The clubs are committed to negotiating a new agreement, for the 2011 season and beyond that will better serve the clubs, the players and most important, the fans.
In an uncapped 2010 season more than 200 players (including nearly 75 starters) would be restricted free agents. Previously, players with four and five years of experience would have been unrestricted free agents — free to sign with any team without their club receiving draft choice compensation.
The entire site is a great read for those of you who have questions about the possible implications that this labor (non) agreement may have.
I'll be in Angel's camp for the weekend, so I'll be checking in sparingly from my Palm Pre.
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Imagine Al scheming at this moment, his heart beat quickening, his eyes shiny bright with intelligent insight
this is his time, this his moment – March 5th will be as Eddy Murphy and Dan Adroyd in Trading Places – Al goes into the trading pit – the open auction with agents mongering their good and Al knowing everyone’s hand before they even throw out their ante’s.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 13, 2010 11:21 AM PST reply actions
to bad our team is broke
and we have to sell off some of it to pay for people.
I don’t think we’re in the best position for this right now.
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We've been...
in this same position for years. Al sold off some of the team to pay for Walker, Kelly, Hall, and Wilson a few years back… and we all saw how that worked out.
"We can't stop here... This is bat country."
That's my point.
The problem is all the Al worshipers refuse to see this fact and here we are in an uncapped year with no money because we signed big contract deals to people not worth the money. It just strengthens my theory that we need a GM type person.
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It could be the other A-person making the decisions
I mean, one of Al’s two implanted right hands.
by Spirals galore on Feb 14, 2010 7:14 AM PST up reply actions
She's scrapping for cash to finance acquisitions
selling the idea as (I want to think) a short-term arrangement until we get solvent, e.g. stop being blacked out and start selling the coliseum out.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 14, 2010 8:13 AM PST up reply actions
Well that won't happen til we win games.
And we won’t win games til we make better decisions. And we won’t make better decisions until Al Davis relents and asks for help. One can still have pride in making the right decision by asking for help.
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agree
mike u team is close to winning it really is the raiders biggest plom is they dont show up every week if they did they wouild win 10 11 games a year
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24
The biggest problem is decrepid man upstairs
who doesn’t bring in the right talent on field or the right talent to manage the team on field. And he hangs on to problem people too long (Russell) or pays them excessive amounts of money to not play (Walker). Also if we had a someone to act as a buffer between him and the coaches, perhaps the coaches would mix up the scheme a little and not be worried that they may get yelled at for blitzing even though it works.
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not a lover of Al, I
but I think you may be overdoing it to make a point. Otherwise how did Grad get hired, among other good players?
There is something unhealthy in the whole setup, that’s for sure. E.g., Al relying to much on Amy Trask and the other lawyer there, what’s his name.
by Spirals galore on Feb 13, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
so I ask--why would these two be Al's right hands?
(he has developed two.)
by Spirals galore on Feb 13, 2010 6:16 PM PST up reply actions
Where are you getting that Trask has so much say
on the football side of the organization? There has been no evidence that she’s in the same room with him when Al is making these decisions. Trask seems to take care of Organizational issues, such as suing the NFL or the county, etc. If Al Davis truly had help w/ football operations, we wouldn’t be where we are now.
And I didn’t say that Al doesn’t make good decisions. I said he doesn’t try to mend the bad decisions. He made 2 good defense coach hires so far and 1 maybe good offense hire. But he kept Tom Cable as coach. Even taking play calling from Cable, having Cable is detrimental to the team. So far we’ll probably keep Gradkowski by default due to him being RFA. That’s great. But we could dump Russell for allegedly 3 million. Why keep they guy around that obviously doesn’t want to work for the job? Walker wanted to retire after his LV incident. Al talked him out of it. Now he’s getting paid millions to sit on the bench. His decisions seem to cancel each other out.
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Little is known about her influence in these matters
Except that she’s persistently called Al’s right hand. And Al has been hailed by the media for elevating her.
Al the Equal Opportunity Employer – that would explain the JR issue too, perchance?
by Spirals galore on Feb 14, 2010 7:20 AM PST up reply actions
No.
That would not explain the JR issue. Everyone is entitled to mistakes. But Al is refusing to remedy the mistake by letting the guy go and either elevating someone or bringing in someone. She’s called his right hand woman (I case to be politically correct) for organizational things such as a new stadium and political matters. I highly doubt she has any football operation say. I think littler is known of her influences in theses matters because I don’t think there is any influence. Al Davis is head of football operations, and that’s that. Surely a player or ex coach would have said by now that Ms. Trask would be involved in some way. Maybe that’s something we should have asked Gannon. Al Davis, even when in his prime, would have a tough time running an entire franchise single handedly, and I believer her job is simply that of CEO. Not at all involved in day to day football operations.
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Never underestimate the influence of a woman
Did Olivia not have great influence over Julius Augustus (Octavian) the greatest of Rome’s emperors even though no man could influence that tyrant? Alexander the Great governed himself and conquered the world but executed every plan his mother concocted. History is filled with great men with wills of iron who surcome to a woman’s suggestions.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 14, 2010 9:29 AM PST up reply actions
It's not "Olivia"
unless you mean the japanese prefix indicating greatness – O-Livia.
by Spirals galore on Feb 14, 2010 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not underestimating any woman
but Spirals seems to be impying that Ms. Trask has a hand in everything that goes on with the Raiders, when it seems that she just takes care of the business end and not football operations. I have no problem with a woman in the organization, and from what I can tell she’s quite good at her job, but it’s unlikely she’s at all involved in negotiations or trying to bring in talent.
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http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2008/01/18/facing_a_power_shortage/?page=2
“Many people assume I’m a business person who happens to work for a football team,” said Trask. “That’s not my view. I’m tremendously passionate about the game of football . . . I have oversight responsibilities for the business operations of the franchise, and our business is football. I believe everyone who works for a sports organization has an impact on the team.”
by Spirals galore on Feb 14, 2010 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
could it then be
that all Al-bashing on this blog in terms of his draft choices has been misdirected??
by Spirals galore on Feb 14, 2010 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
Can man be blamed for this universal weakness? Are the strongest fated to dominate
men only to fall under the tender influence of maidens? Perhaps it would be better if Al lived as a hermit, at least through the pre-season … sequestering himself in isolation that is free even from the pheromones of the fair.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 14, 2010 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
so now it's the women screwing up the franchise?
Well that’s an excuse for Al I’ve never heard before.
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so far I've been facetious about all this
but the more I research Ms. Trask and her involvement with the Raiders, the less I think she’s just a business person.
by Spirals galore on Feb 14, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
I'm sure she's not.
I’m sure she has a lot of say in the organization. After all she’s CEO. That’s usually head honcho under the President (Davis). However, it still doesn’t mean she’s involved in EVERY aspect of the organization. If she was involved in the football operations, then after all these decisions lately, she should be fired.
I’m glad she’s making it there and doing what needs to be done from behind the scenes with the NFL and politics and the new stadium and working w/ the county to get things done. It’s a tremendous amount of work I’m sure. Good for her for being able to do it. But nowhere have you posted an article that she has any say over football operations.
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Well--Raiders don't fire lightly
As to why none of the links post anything precise about her involvement with football decisions – it may be due to the general vagueness of the statements coming from the Raiders organization.
by Spirals galore on Feb 14, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
I'm sure by now
some player would have said they dealt w/ Trask. All they ever say is they dealt w/ their agent and Davis. No player or coach has ever said anything about Trask being involved. And even if for some reason they weren’t allowed to, I don’t think that would have stopped Kiffin in his news conferences. I’m quite sure when it comes to football operations, she has no say.
And even if they fire lightly (judging by the coaching turnover, that’s a not true) after so many mistakes that you think she may have had some say in, she’d be gone.
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from Monte Poole's article which Al's Wingman posted
For nearly all, though, it comes back to Allen. He found clever and subtle ways to challenge Davis, reach the coaches and address the unease in the building. Allen was the antidote to chief executive Amy Trask, who has earned a reputation as a tough woman, fiercely loyal to Al, with the people skills of a chain saw.
by Spirals galore on Feb 14, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
Though I agree
Monte doesn’t make clear what the objects of her “wrath” were (cf. further down in the article).
by Spirals galore on Feb 14, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
I don't care what the objects of her wrath were.
I know that Al Davis caused headaches for the NFL and the county and Trask had to deal with that. Bruce Allen was the spokesman at the time, and he would have to be a buffer between Trask and people as well a Al and coaches.
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So what you're saying
is I’m right and we need a GM to act as buffer between the coaches and Davis. Allen was also the PR man at the time which would explain why he hand to handle Trask. Especially during law suits that were going on at the time.
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what I am saying is
that Amy Trask may be involved with football decisions as well. If not, the statement below lacks weight. Which may well be the case, but then Al shouldn’t rely so much on her.
While coaches on Kiffin’s staff are expressing concern about their futures in light of Davis’ latest power play, Raiders CEO Amy Trask denied that Kiffin has been stripped of his authority.
“His authority remains unchanged,” Trask said last week when asked if Kiffin had lost any personnel control of the team and whether there was a rift between the owner and coach. “That’s simply not true. He has all the authority he had when he was hired. The authority he has or had under his original contract remains unchanged.”
by Spirals galore on Feb 14, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
That would fall under team decisions
and the business end. Like demoting a divisional manager in a company. Not bringing in players and coaches. And from what I see in that posting is she’s just a spokesperson. It doesn’t add any weight to a fact the she has any say in the matter. I’m sure she reads over contracts as a lawyer and I’m sure she puts all the legalese in the contract, but I don’t think she writes any of the clauses. Just proofreads it to make sure it’s legal. Which is what a CEO would do. I’m saying she has no say over the football operations of hiring/firing coaches/football staff or cutting/signing players. That’s all Al.
That’s not to say that UNOFFICIALLY Al may not ask her what she thinks, but it’s still not official say over football end.
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I doubt he would need to
That’s not to say that UNOFFICIALLY Al may not ask her what she thinks
and therein lies the rub. It’s not a GM we need but a talented personnel man like Ron Wolf and his scouts
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 14, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
misdirected from who?
Where are you putting together that these 2 lawyers you mention have any say in football operations and actually pick the players in draft? If that’s so, that makes it even worse because then Al is listening to the wrong people and after so many mistakes, things should change.
No it’s not being misdirected. Davis is in charge of football operations.
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yes, I was going to add
that a boss is ultimately responsible for all his drafting choices.
by Spirals galore on Feb 14, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
That's still increcilby vague.
Business operations. Like possibly signing the pay checks and taking care of politics. But I still highly doubt she’s at all involved with football operations and getting talent and negotiating contracts and in any manner other than getting the money to pay them.
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What does that tell me?
The article does nothing to explain what her job actually entails. She has a set of balls. Well good for her. I’m sure working for the Raiders and Al requires a tough skin and for a woman to make it in such a place is great. People can say what they want about me, but I’m happy to see women succeed in what is perceived as a man’s world.
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Of course
I don’t dispute her place and role. But I think that any thoughtful person who decided to bash Al must also consider all possible factors in his decision-making process. Would you mind Amy having an input in the drafting decisions?
by Spirals galore on Feb 14, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
I can't answer that.
I don’t know enough about her knowledge and assessment of talent.
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She's in Al's inner circle and that is a small tight circle indeed
I dread her feminine side more than the set sprouted in her nether region
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 14, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
From this article:
Q: How do you spend game days?
Trask: Every single game day is different. I am in the stands, with our sponsors, with our suite holders, with visitors, just everywhere. There’s no particular way to spend game day. I try to arrange my movement from place to place (in the stadium) so that I can do what I need to do, without missing any plays.
Q: Do you travel to all away games?
Trask: I do travel to away games. It’s a similar situation (as home games). It’s really an "it depends" circumstance. We may have guests who are joining the team on the road or I’ll be with Raiders staff.
Q: What is a sports business issue you are following closely?
Trask: The development of new stadiums.
See that’s probably what her job is. She has to take care of the BUSINESS end of the organization.
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"Probably" is the operative word
with so much obfuscation coming our way from the Raiders. Plus, she was asked what sports business issue she follows closely.
Again—I see no reason why a strong-willed and intelligent woman like Ms. Trask should not influence the Raiders’ drafting as well.
by Spirals galore on Feb 14, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
I give up.
You want to believe she has some say because she’s a woman or because you want to absolve Al of his foolish decisions?
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neither
I am frustrated with the lack of candor on the Raiders’ side, so decided to poke them a little. Remember this blogger, Al’s Muse, who suddenly appeared on one of the posts at one point and then disappeared just as suddenly? I still suspect it was Amy Trask or her paralegal, intervening on Al’s behalf…
by Spirals galore on Feb 14, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
correction
the name was Celestial Muse
by Spirals galore on Feb 14, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Joined Jan 09 and made 9 comments, which I can’t read. That’s odd because I can click on every profile and see what they commented. Interesting. I thought she was part of your family named Amy. Now I see Sons was joking by calling her Amy.
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it's on Saint's Gannon post--early January
Here is one of her comments (I assumed it’s a she):
How is it NOT self-serving? He has made the offer before and been turned down.
He was asked to not come to headquarters for a press briefing.
He knows well that Mr. Davis referred to him as "the guy that threw 5 interceptions in Super Bowl".
He also knows that Mr. Davis prefers keeping private matters , well, private.
This was a media stunt by Gannon to pump ratings for his radio show.
Unless you think Gannon is too stupid to have gotten it through his skull the Raiders want nothing to do with him?
by Celestial Muse on Jan 9, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
by Spirals galore on Feb 14, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
She came out of nowhere and sounded very sophisticated
plus she had not involved herself with any other topics prior to this ‘hot’ one. I wasn’t joking when I called her ‘Amy’ … and, moreover, Celestial Muse has not returned since.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 14, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
would have been interesting to
trace her IP back to a location. little late now.
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I tried hard at the time to trace it
Should have asked you to do it – I’m not an expert.
by Spirals galore on Feb 14, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
how did you even get it
ip’s aren’t public on this site and you’d need access to system logs that you would need, at very least, sudo-admin rights to access. And, assuming this site is running apache, you’d have to sift through thousands of connections to find that one. Unless there’s a log somewhere and saint was able to get you the information you needed.
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oh no--it was a very amateur search
That’s why I am saying that I should have asked you to do it. I just googled the name, and then tried different cross-references, thinking it would yield some clues. Nothing came up, but I ended up learning a lot about Amy Trask and Jeff Birrin and their history with the Raiders.
by Spirals galore on Feb 14, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
yes, he was
we joined in a hearty laughter bout at the time he did it.
by Spirals galore on Feb 14, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
u are right
mike
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24
Why do I keep hearing
about a lock-out or something and there might not be football in 2011?
BR3AKF4 St 0N CR4ACK
go read my post about Owners having the advantage.
In short, if we don’t have a CBA there will be 3 options in 2011.
1) Follow the 2010 rules
2) Players Strike
3) Owners lock the players out
Expect #3 to be the one that happens.
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Greed...
On both sides will keep an agreement from happening.
Honeslty, all sports need to look at the NBA pay schedule for draftees and go that route. Stern is the man, follow in his footsteps Goodell. No college kid should make 30 mil guaranteed while retired players live on pennies.
Like the rest of the world, the NFL needs some fixin!
"We can't stop here... This is bat country."
The rookie contract is stupid
60 mil for a rookie? Stupid. But I like Goodel for one reason, he’s not biased and knows the game. Unlike Stern who is a guy who only cares about marketable players. Hence Morrow not in the 3 point contest, cause he’s not a hot name like Curry is. He holds grudges against certain teams and overly promotes others and refuses to investigate the refs (which are the worst in sports easily)Stern only wants money. Goodel is the best Commish in sports but thats not saying anthing
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
And as often as not the lower paid players perform as well (or better than) the higher paid ones
If anything good comes out of our own experience it’s this: draft and acquire players who love the game and want to be the best.
Any player who hold-out is automatically suspect, imo.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 14, 2010 8:19 AM PST up reply actions
Stern
Hes getting shit because the 1 and done rule in the NCAA. He cant really do anything about that though, But Isnt it funny how the NBA draft is alot less popular than the NFL. Mostly because guys getting contracts that could feed a small city. Its ridiculous!
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