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The tackles... Are any of these guys worth a top ten pick, and if so, which guy?

 

So who do we get to complement this guy, and maybe even compete for the left side?





There are four guys currently projected in the top ten by at least someone out there right now; this is by no means my assessment of these guys: it is rather, in attempt to see what the great football minds here have to say about them, and how I'll ultimately decide who, if any of them, are indeed worthy of our first round pick.

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The four, in alphabetical order:

 

1. Bryan Bulaga, 6-6, 312, Iowa

This guy has fallen tremendously by getting manhandled by Brandon Graham, who himself is projected near the bottom of the first round, top of second round, and has fallen. Some say he has short arms, lacks the agility and athleticism to maintain his center and recover from dynamic NFL DEs. He's a stud run blocker, but imo, not NFL ready, and definitely not worth the high first round pick. I say pass him, by all means. He also has a thyroid situation that could equate to problems down the road, and will no doubt make his stock fall accordingly. I don't see even a solid combine showing or pro day affecting this much, either. Charlie Casserly on Bulaga: "Iowa guys are coached great; they really are at their max when they come out--does this guy have an upside?"

 

 

2. Anthony Davis, 6-6, 325,OT, Rutgers:

Davis is being touted by many as perhaps the most NFL ready guy, projected late first, early second by most, it is my belief he'll move up in the draft. The rare combination of size and athleticism, he looks to be the only guy who might give Mario a run for his money at the LT spot, and should be able to play either side as well as any of the other four. I know some will find another of these four as a better pick than Davis, and there is quite a disparity in where this guy will fall on mock draft boards everywhere. This year's positional needs are as transparent as ever, and unless things go completely different than is projected (as is always possible) in this, what some are calling the "best first round since '83," we'll see many teams address holes with what becomes the consensus best guy available at the position. I do not forget for one moment that Al has the ultimate say in all things Raiders, and expect to be surprised by at least 3 picks; I hope they're not pivotal ones. Long arms, and a fair ability to use them; under the right coaching, Davis could be a missing link for the Raiders, and a necessary bolster to the pass protection.

3. Russell Okung,  6-5, 300, OT, Oklahoma State

Okung is probably the highest ranked tackle among the four, and perhaps the only one whose been touted as a potential overall 1st pick. Highly regarded as tremendously athletic, light on his feet, very cerebral and rarely caught out of position, excellent reader of stunts and blitzes, great lateral agility, durable, powerful lower body and great hip/knee/ ankle flexion--all skills necessary to be a great pro. Recognized as a leader, understanding of angles, and a potential franchise guy. I would not hate this pick whatsoever, but believe Okung is one of those guys whose apparent skills in college may not equate to the NFL, where he'll consistently face more dominant opponents with more complete mixed bags of tricks. I think this is the most likely pick for us if he's there at number 8, and the best DT's and McClain are off the board. I'll be watching this guy closely at the combine, and eager to see which of the NFL GM's and personnel guys I trust most have to say about his outing.

4. Trent Williams, 6-5, 318, OT, Oklahoma,

First team All-American of 2009, and highly regarded by his coaches as one of the best they've coached, from a school that produces NFL quality offensive lineman. Also lauded by NFL types for his blend of strength and athleticism, he's been projected mid first round by most. He'll be remembered largely for allowing Bradford to get taken out in the '09 season, but did a lot to improve his game since the infamous play, when its arguable even the best tackle couldn't have avoided it. There will be many mixed feelings on this player, and perhaps rightfully so. There are a great many questions about this guy; reminds me of a John Runyan type guy--capable of dominating some guys, susceptible of being owned by others. I don't like Trent at all, and believe Al doesn't either. If a trading down in the round situation occurred, I believe he would be much more likely, but remain ambivalent about him. I probably know least about this guy of any of them, and don't see a solid combine or pro day changing much of my opinion about him. I believe the susceptibility to getting beaten by the best college guys, means the same to getting beaten most of the time in the NFL. I want a guy who gives up zero sacks, and believe Iupati will go ahead of Williams in this draft. I think Iupati might be more capable of making the transition to tackle in the pros than Williams has of being successful as an NFL tackle.

There are other guys who arguable deserve top four mention, and it's quite possible none of these guys will even get in the top ten as well. I believe Okung is a shoo-in for top ten, however, and hope we can find a way to get him, but not at the expense of passing on Rolando or even Suh or McCoy if they fall to us. There is another four guys that we can look at in the second round, as well, including a number of juniors that look solid. The FA situation will dictate some of what happens between now and April, but I'm liking the comparisons to '83 nonetheless! One of these guys could be the missing link, and we could have the Upshaw/Shell combination again! Let it be our year!

Poll
Which guy suits us best? Disregard the pick, and where he'll be taken on this one, please. I'd like to know what the Nation's collective assessment is on who best fits our needs of these four, regardless of pick dynamics.
Bryan Bulaga
6 votes
Anthony Davis
30 votes
Russell Okung
44 votes
Trent Williams
5 votes
fill in the blank?
8 votes

93 votes | Poll has closed

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I think picking a tackle this year would be a good move

since there are upwards of 4 guys projected as possible top 10 picks. I myself would prefer Anthony Davis as someone who both might be there at 10 and has the size and ability to start right away. There is no question a new right tackle needs to be found before next season, as Cornell Green has to be replaced (damn I’ve been saying that for at least 3 offseasons now).

No more raining on Bruins Nation's rainy parade, they took their ball and went home.

by S Jay Bruin on Feb 17, 2010 10:47 AM PST reply actions  

one of those guys whose talented, but the propensity for penalties and the lack of professionalism far outweigh any talent there

Jeff Saturday of the Colts, was undrafted and picked up by Baltimore, and waived before the start of the season. Picked up by the Colts, and starting ever since, he has only given up like five sacks and five penalties in his entire career. That’s freaking amazing for an undrafted talent, and a testament to Indy’s eye for guys like this.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Feb 17, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, even looking back at Barry Sims

here was a tackle who was able to beat out 3 1st round picks (Collins, Stinchcolm, Gallery) at left tackle to have a decent career and I believe he went undrafted as well. I agree, you just never know about a guy till you have him, but I also would like to bring in some talent to compete and hopefully develop. Overall I want to see the team really work to improve the offensive and defensive lines this offseason. Get back to basics with this team.

No more raining on Bruins Nation's rainy parade, they took their ball and went home.

by S Jay Bruin on Feb 17, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Absolutely. I love the focus and emphasis on character guys last year and since. And you're right--Sims just got it done

Jamarcus was perhaps invaluable in this aspect; he showed us what not to pick, especially with a first overall.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Feb 17, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I think okung will be nice

but only davis and the rest will be available. What happened to Bruce Cambell?

by patriotguy2 on Feb 17, 2010 11:34 AM PST reply actions  

Like I said, one space for a fill in the blank. I think it's tough to say which are the top four, and its quite arbitrary about the guys I chose

Probably influenced by watching NFL network breakdown by Casserly, but also that they’re all top ten prospects or at least were at some point. Their levels will rise and fall arbitrarily too, having little effect on how successful they become in reality. We’ll probably look at another four at some point, but while you’re at it, what about Bruce Campbell?

I like Okung too, and his odds that the skill set he innately possesses will work for us. Size is perhaps questionable, but has the lower body strength maybe Mario lacks. Can put on some weight in the upper body with the right trainers.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Feb 17, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Since Suh McClain and Okung are my top three 1st rounders - I chose Russell Okung

Okung’s 300 isn’t too light and he has a powerful lower body to get up under the DEs and OLBs who will seek to pester or do harm to Bruce. If we got another Russell (Al may be superstitions by now) it wouldn’t take long for him to ascend the throne – LOT – and Henderson (who I believe is right handed) could play the comparatively less demanding ROT with greater comfort. The Raiders only pick one player on opening day and signing any of these three (Suh McClain or Okung) would be reason enough for abandoned celebration (at least until the next day).

by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 17, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Cambell is very tall, and large

and he’s nimble on his feet. I think he’ll be a good-great tackle.

by patriotguy2 on Feb 17, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Taller isn't necessarily better with OTs

if they can move fast with the kick-slide and keep a low center of gravity – great; otherwise, height works against them.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 17, 2010 7:45 PM PST up reply actions  

We got Vollmer last year(pats) in the draft

6’8" and aaround the same weight like Cambell. Vollmer basically man handled Freeny, and was a complete anchor at the tackle position. He played TE before as well, so he is nimble on his feet. Cambell is nimble on his feet as well. think he’ll be a force at tackle.

by patriotguy2 on Feb 17, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

We can't afford a durability question. gotta have a guy who can start consistently at the blindside position

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Feb 18, 2010 1:10 AM PST up reply actions  

It is my sense, Campbell's durability at the position will make him drop into the late second rounds

Bruce

doesn’t really deserve to be among these other four., But then again, it is the crapshoot that is the NFL draft.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Feb 17, 2010 11:48 AM PST reply actions  

The thing that worries meis what if Davis becomes like Gallery(to slow for the position) they have almost identical size...

I can’t wait to see what he can do in the combine regarding how nimble he is on his feet, footwork! But lets say if by a miracle Okung falls, we nab him quick and violently… ;)

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Feb 17, 2010 12:01 PM PST reply actions  

Definitely a lot of scenarios can happen, many of which can be more positive than negative

So I’m excited for sure. There a lot of great players to take at multiple positions; I hope we get the right guy for us with the first rounder for a change.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Feb 17, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Definitely Okung

If he’s there at 8 which I doubt but he is the best prospect available. I would prefer to trade down not that Al ever does that & get a DT like Brian Price from UCLA. That would get another pick which we could use on a tackle or possibly an LB. Also Tra Thomas is a free agent who could play LT right now which would allow Cable to move Henderson to RT which he may be more comfortable with.

by TAW on Feb 17, 2010 3:04 PM PST reply actions  

Tra Thomas

He was released for a reason, But one mans junk is another mans treasure. Or something like that.haha. He would be good on a 1 Yr deal though, Seeing hes what, 33? 34?. That we can focus on the Defense this year and Offense next year. Instead of trying to knock out both this year

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by Remix. on Feb 17, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

most amusing

If we go to a 3-4 set we’ll only need 2 players on that side and can concentrate on getting a top notch Oline and CB.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 17, 2010 7:48 PM PST up reply actions  

okung i think

got mauled by Graham. So which might lead me to believe that he may have trouble with fast rushers on the outside. But I digress, i think he’ll be a good pick.

by patriotguy2 on Feb 17, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

i'm sorry yes

i was trying to remember who it was, and i just went with what I thought, and that was a mistake.

I haven’t really looked at any video of Okung, so I can’t really get a judgement(just because I don’t think we’ll get him). Plus I think we’ll get Anthony davis or Cambell.

by patriotguy2 on Feb 17, 2010 9:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I really like Bulaga:

But will reserve judgement until I see him at the combine.

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Feb 17, 2010 3:14 PM PST reply actions  

As for now, unless he has some miracle showing at the combine

he could still be available with our second pick after the performance in the BCS game against Graham. The short arms are always a huge question mark for today’s line coaches too. I don’t really like Mr. B of all these four, but you know how these draft predictions can be!

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Feb 18, 2010 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Although our O-line needs help

the offensive line played well with Grad and Frye. I’d like to start shoring up the defense with Haden with the 8th pick. or McClain at ILB
 But its not likely Haden will be on the board. So I’d go with McClain

But I think Davis would be the OT I’d take Campbell if he didn’t have injury concerns.

The future is uncertain... and the end is always near. JMorrison

by S-n-B4life on Feb 17, 2010 3:26 PM PST reply actions  

tell you what

if we want to get an OLB for the 8th pick…..

…. Derrick Morgan can be very interesting as an OLB.

by patriotguy2 on Feb 17, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

only if we change

to a 3-4 defense

The future is uncertain... and the end is always near. JMorrison

by S-n-B4life on Feb 17, 2010 4:09 PM PST reply actions  

If we can get a natural right tackle

who can open up holes and pass block in the 3rd round and beyond, then I say pass on the 1st and 2nd for the O-Line, and go defense for the 1st pick:

Haden CB, or Price DT.

by xville on Feb 18, 2010 10:30 AM PST reply actions  

OMG dude

Are like his agent or something?

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 19, 2010 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

i just posted in 2 places.

Only because, this post is about OL, and the other one was active. I’d get an opinion on either one. Plus I truly didn’t know where I should post it, so I posted in two areas.

Didn’t mean to sound like a salesman or anything.

by patriotguy2 on Feb 19, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Compliment?

I would rather replace Henderson and well frankly I would like to replace 4 of the current 5 starters with and strong penchant to wanting to do the 5th as well. We could draft 2 good OL this draft and get a couple more in FA I hope. Any 2 of the 4 listed would be welcome at the practice facility I think.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 19, 2010 5:57 PM PST reply actions  

Mario can be a stud, and was making up for the lack of talent around him

When at least Gallery was beside him, he gave up very few sacks and the run game excelled. Give him another solid tackle, especially if he can beat him at the left side and move Mario to the right, where he’ll probably be a great tackle.

I don’t see replacing 4 or 5 guys being feasible at this point. I like the odds of a great player at a position of need for us in the first round, even considering how poorly we’ve had a recent history of picking in it.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Feb 19, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

It isnt feasable to get 4 or 5 new guys this year. I would like to change 4 for sure. I am still not sold of Gallery I think he spends to much time getting ink and worrying about his hair.
I have disagree with you on Henderson, of the few games I got to watch he was as unimpressive as it gets on the OLine and I think the complacency is disgusting among the entire group. Penalties and missed assignments killed us in every loss this year. I would first replace Green and Barnes for sure those guys are dead weight. Well Walker is worth a cut as well I think we could cut a lot of the fat keep some of the backups, draft and sign a few guys for camp and have an all out battle for roster spots.
It wouldnt be the first time and how much worse could our Oline get from last year if we replaced the front 4 of 5? Or even 3 of 5?

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 20, 2010 5:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Both Barnes and Green are Cable guys - he brought them in and thinks their fine - the three of them need to go now

I’d keep Walker, at least for now at RG and Gallery at LG. Wouldn’t Councey be someone to have at Center? And I like your idea of having an all out open OL roster up for competition during pre-season. Henderson showed some capability at times but was humiliated against decent OLB against coming from a 3-4 (Dallas, Baltimore, NYJ, Cleveland) or DEs coming from a 4-3 (Washington, Denver). I expect (desire) that he’ll be moved to RT after we sign some stellar OT.
Bottom line, our OL is our worst single element and this is one of the main reasons I’m down on Cable the Cretan.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 20, 2010 6:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree totally

Even if they are Cable guys if he can man up and admit they suck and put them on notice or give them pink slips out right that would be great. As I said before I am not sold on pretty much anyone on the OLine in general. Gallery had one ok year but that doesnt make him solid especially when he was suppose to be a stud.
Generally our OLine throughout the years has been susceptible to penalties of the most frustrating variety (false starts BS Holding) and not the Wisniewski type personal foul stuff that is usually pay back or attention grabbing. Back in the day our guys could do it and we could recover because our offense was more capable and well competent. We can illafford the continuation of this and it starts with accountability. Put them all on notice with 2-3 significant releases and they may get some attention from them AND save some much needed room on the payroll.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 20, 2010 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Whats wrong

ith Satele at Center?

If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?
- Vince Lombardi

by Remix. on Feb 20, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Not living up to expectations

He under performed this year calling the blocking schemes and did not perform at the same level as when he was in Miami.
We can definitely do better but if push comes to shove I think we can settle with him because I believe the atleast 3 of the other 4 positions are more urgent at the moment.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 22, 2010 8:21 AM PST up reply actions  

The NFL Network

Has Bulaga #2 at tackle, Okung at #1, Davis at #3, Williams at #4 and Brown at #5.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 19, 2010 6:12 PM PST reply actions  

NFL Draft Scout has them at:

1. Okung
2. Bulaga
3. Williams
4. Davis
5. Cambell

by patriotguy2 on Feb 19, 2010 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok not a huge difference

Slight shifts from top to bottom and I forgot to add NN also had Cambell tied at #5

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 19, 2010 6:36 PM PST up reply actions  

And this changes, depending on who you talk to, and from day to day

I think the NFL networks spends some of the focus looking at who’ll likely be taken and by whom, therein determining ranks. I like Okung, myself, and it appears Bulaga’s short arms and poor showing against Graham will make him fall to the late first round or early second by draft time.

It’s funny, because I haven’t even observed him having short arms, but have heard Casserly and Mayock and Ross Tucker and other guys mention how NFL scouts obsess over it.

It’ll be interesting to see who’s taken first, because that always affects the stock of the respective position accordingly. If a tackle is taken first, the others stock will inevitably rise. If Haden is taken early, than all the other corners will move higher as well.

I know one thing: I’m stoked that so many are calling this the best first round in decades, and it seems definitely deep with players at our significant positions of need.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Feb 19, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Why the scout emphasis on wing span? These aren't boxers who benefit from reach

As long as a man is in proportion (without the freakish heartbreak of tyrannosaurus arms) what does it matter? In fact, short stocky arms might even be an advantage. But, I confess that I might be ignorant on this one so if you know something about the scout’s reasoning please enlighten me.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 19, 2010 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I will back you up

You are correct in your thinking of having smaller arms actually will work to that players advantage strainght up on leverage alone. Longer arms will get to the defender faster therefore making up for a possible speed difference when reaching and also keep them at a slight distance to slow down that players rush.
That is what I think they are looking at when it comes to those T Rex type arms but to be honest I think you would actually have to measure them to see what the real number is. It may just be deceiving because he is one of or both of 2 things: His arms maybe very muscular and thick making them look shorter due to the smaller appearance of the joint OR he may be very think through his chest/shoulder/lateral trunk and that will kind of play into the look of shorter arms.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 20, 2010 5:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with you both, to an extent, on the physique of the guys

I believe what they want to see—and what unfortunately gets lost in the shuffle sometimes—is the ability of the player to “play with long arms” if you will. I’ll use Mike Vrabel as an example. He plays with long arms both catching the ball, as a linebacker shedding blocks, as well as in the occasional tight end set where he’s required to block much bigger men, however briefly, and has success doing it because of this ability.

But it’s not just in the length of the arms, and as you mentioned Sons, the wingspan; The player must have the ability to maintain a low center while utilizing the length of their reach effectively, but they must also ensure they deliver as much power at that distance. A guy like Vrabel, and other lb’s who are similar and have the same results against often bigger, stronger blockers, and the offensive lineman who are able to do this, can effectively punch and deliver the blow in the right place on their opponents to cause them to raise their centers of gravity enough to reposition, and if the puncher can maintain his lower center at that moment, he’s gained the angle advantage he needs to make the play, either immediately driving the opponent downhill if blocking, or in the case of the defender, therein shedding the block and creating the straight on shot at the ball carrier or qb.

It’s gotten out of hand, as i believe the scouts are too hyped on the prototypical sized qb with a textbook delivery. At some point they need to just maintain the emphasis and focus on football ability, and just flat out making plays.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Feb 20, 2010 7:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I dread K.C. for no other reason - Vrabel and Hershel Walker are two guys I'd want in my survivalist colony

when the shit hits the fan. That “shot” to the blocker can be achieved with a shorter reach, however, and it comes down to technique and martial spirit more than arm length – which I suspect has become mythologized.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 20, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually

You maybe right, but I do know they look heavily at stats and combine numbers as well. I also think the NFL Draft Scout has a basic consensus on things blindly when ranking the draft. In the end its all perception as we can all look at past drafts and play 20/20 hindsight.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 20, 2010 5:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Or, scouts are trying to make their craft seem more like a science and bring in or develop criteria that becomes

conventional wisdom. I know when someone is blocking their man, holding their ground and dominating and I never once attributed their blocking success the length of their arms. I do believe having the arm strength of a Neanderthal is important but am not convinced that having greater arm span is a factor.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 20, 2010 6:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I think we all just learned a little something about this whole process, no?

It comes down to a simple fact: it’s not as easy as we “armchair qb’s” can cut it out to be. While the Raiders do some horrible things, we have a great deal to be thankful for, and many teams remain unable to even have a semblance of improvement or getting closer to the ultimate prize. We have some great young talent, and though you can talk for days on how bad some of our picks have been over the last decade, there is much more evidence to point out how strong the picking has been. You have to consider the guys who leave us and go on to excel, too, painful as it may be. But it’s indicative of how strong the overall picks have been. I believe the dearth of leadership and solid coaching are more to blame, of late. And Jamarcus of course, but solid leadership and coaching would’ve handled that mess before it became one.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Feb 20, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

+ 1 (and that's with restraint)

As poor as our OL and D-middle are, our coaching has been far worse – Cable is a disgrace and I will continue to check sports updates each morning for news of his departure.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 20, 2010 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I sure hope not

The #1 thing needed on a winning team is stability at the HC position. The Colts are the only exception I can think of, but when you have Peyton is doesn’t matter

If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?
- Vince Lombardi

by Remix. on Feb 20, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions  

"on a winning team" yes, stability to continue things moving in the right direction

but, excuse me for pointing this out, we are not a winning team. Cable’s duties have been reduced significantly and we have many seasoned pros to add stability. Will some players feel lost and homesick if Cable disappears? I seriously doubt it. His O-line is his legacy and just look at it! His zone blocking that he and Kiffin installed is a disaster causing QB concussions, fumbles, torn ligaments & cartilage as well as losses and ruination. Put him alongside Madden, Flores, Gruden and one can hardly believe that such a person is Oakland’s HC, that this isn’t some delusional extended nightmare.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 22, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

You can keep checking all you want

we wont’ see Cable gong anytime in the off-season this year.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Feb 20, 2010 11:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you're right on that, Mike

But a mid-season firing will happen with a poor start, without a doubt.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Feb 22, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Not a doubt in my mind

If we fall to 1-4 or 2-5. Expect Jackson to be HC

If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?
- Vince Lombardi

by Remix. on Feb 22, 2010 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Having long arms helps keep defenders out of your body.

Offensive and defensive linemen win a lot of their battles with hand fighting. Watch an offensive tackle use his arms right off the snap, he’ll try to keep his arms stretched out and the defender will be trying to knock and rip his hands away. If a d-lineman can get inside a tackles reach he can punch, use a swim move or chuck the offensive lineman. All the strength in the world isn’t going to help you if you can’t get up into your blocker.

And like Lyle said it’s helpful for keeping a speed rush at bay, if you have long arms you can get to the rusher and redirect him with your hands on a wider route to the quarterback.

Arm length is just one piece of a scouting profile and it can get overemphasised just like anything else (40 speed, bench press, height, weight, etc.) It’s definitely not a be all end all stat but it can be a helpful piece of information.

by RaiderPete on Feb 20, 2010 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Though I am very highly against drafting a tackle in the first, if I had to choose one it would be Okung.

He’s the most ZBS capable of all four and impressed me in college. I think he’s also the most football intelligent of all four, and that’s what we need on the O-Line. Football intelligent guys. That’s something that can never ever be underrated. It’s why the Colts O-Line is so good year in and year out. Not because they have the best personnel talent-wise (to me that’s either the Cowboys or Giants) but because they’re the smartest.

I would pretty okay with getting Okung, though my preference is getting McClain

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by KA1Z3R on Feb 20, 2010 7:53 AM PST reply actions  

I pretty much loved your mock drafts, and I totally want McClain too

Which usually results in there being zero chance he either falls to our pick or we take him. I’m trying this time to be positive about multiple picks in advance! It usually works out I’m pissed and warm up to the idea of taking this guy I think we shouldn’t have. Sometimes they actually kinda work out.

Russell is my pick too. The lower body athleticism he possesses puts him in his own class. He’ll be gone by 8, I’m afraid. And I don’t think Campbell, Bulaga, Davis, or Williams are worth the first rounder.

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by brhynno on Feb 20, 2010 7:51 PM PST up reply actions  

At this point, if on the first day we get McClain, Okung or Haden I will be pleased

Sorry to everyone for including a skill player but having reevaluated everything, CBs a piece that gives our pass rush the handicap advantage it needs – and, like you brhynno, I’m preparing myself for Al’s partiality to skilled DBs.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 20, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I may cry and break alot of furniture

If I hear " And at #8, The Oakland Raiders select, Taylor Mays, Saftey out of USC"

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by Remix. on Feb 20, 2010 10:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Like that Gamefly commercial with the "another bad game decision"

I’m gonna work hard to not be disappointed with any pick, but I know it’s futile. In some way, shape, or form, I know I’ll be pissed! Don’t let it be on Thursday!

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by brhynno on Feb 21, 2010 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly like that Gamefly commercial

Ecspecially throwing the TV out of the window haha

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- Vince Lombardi

by Remix. on Feb 21, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

I will do the same if we draft anything short of a OL or LB or MAYBE DL and only if that choice is top 2 ranked on the NFL scouting.
If we make another “suprise” draft choice because in someone’s teenie tiny mind this player MAY have some suprising physical attribute that for some reason ALL 29 OTHER NFL TEAMS have not dug out during the combines I may go a little postal…..but only with a high powered paint gun.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 22, 2010 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

no shit! gonna have to get me a crappy TV to watch the draft!

Because I know I’ll be taking it out on the messenger!

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by brhynno on Feb 22, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Damned (expletive deleted) unbelievable picks... (Expletive deleted, expletive deleted, expletive deleted)

(expletive deleted) team can keep their (expletive deleted), (expletive deleted) for brains mentality….

Sigh (Expletive deleted!)

This way, I can always be pleasantly surprised with the head scratcher picks!

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by brhynno on Feb 22, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

office space style!

the original has the Geto boyz unrated version, but this’ll do for now:

link

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by brhynno on Feb 22, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm Gumbi, dammit!

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by brhynno on Feb 22, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Gumbi or JaPicksAll

I think I would have taken Gumbi first overall rather than JaLoseAll any day.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 22, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh God! LOL

His stomach looks like a face haha

If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?
- Vince Lombardi

by Remix. on Feb 22, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm traumatized!

I’ll never look at boobies the same!

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Feb 22, 2010 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

You Poor Bastard

If only he would’ve kept his shirt on!! Why Dammit! Whyy!

If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?
- Vince Lombardi

by Remix. on Feb 22, 2010 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

increasing the odds of breast growth in males

hence the term, Moobs, or bitch tits, if you prefer the Fight Club term…

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Feb 22, 2010 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

Haden or McClain would be great. Not sold on a tackle in the 1st but if I had to pick it would be Okung, Davis or Campell

The future is uncertain... and the end is always near. JMorrison

by S-n-B4life on Feb 21, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

oooops Campbell

The future is uncertain... and the end is always near. JMorrison

by S-n-B4life on Feb 21, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Mike Iupati

 Could be a damn good sleeper pick.

by spec on Mar 1, 2010 1:44 PM PST reply actions  

Hardly a sleeper anymore

but if he fell into a later round, he’d be a steal. I’d take him with our second or third overall picks in the third round, only to play guard. He can play guard in the NFL today. You try to convert him, and maybe in a year or two he’s competing for a starting tackle job, maybe not. He’d be a great guard, and could learn a great pass protection game in time.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Mar 3, 2010 2:00 AM PST up reply actions  

one of the things that separate the tackles from guards and their ability to convert, is the jumpstep

I’ve like Mike from the get-go, but don’t see him as a solution to our current tackle problem. I do think he’d be better than Khalif Barnes, but doubt he’d outperform even Langston Walker at the tackle spot, at least for a year or two, and isn’t what we want an upgrade at the position, preferably one that can move Mario to ROT?

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Mar 3, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

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