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Oakland Raiders Positional Breakdown and Draft Possibilities: The Offense

Quarterbacks:

Currently under contract: JaMarcus Russell, Bruce Gradkowski, Charlie Frye, JP Losman

Analysis:  For now, forget anything you may have heard about Al Davis using the uncapped year to rid himself of JaMarcus Russell.  Davis is committed to giving Russell at least one more year and the recent signing of Hue Jackson as offensive coordinator only reinforces that belief.  There's some speculation that Davis may cut Russell at the end of training camp if he shows up fat and out of shape again and stinks up the practices.

Gradkowski is an RFA and it's hard to imagine the Raiders not taking advantage of that fact to keep him around, given how effective he was when Cable finally got fed up and benched Russell.

Charlie Frye started as the 3rd stringer and ended up starting due to the ineptness of Russell and injuries to Gradkowski.  He did well enough, I suppose, though his play seemed to indicate he'll never be anything other than a backup in the league.  He is a UFA, but will be an RFA if the uncapped year happens.

JP Losman was signed as emergency third stringer and threw 1 incomplete pass against Denver. 

It's not a hard thing to imagine the Raiders standing pat on quarterbacks.  Russell isn't going anywhere (for now) and with Gradkowski and Frye having a year in the system and played anywhere from adequately to good, it should be a simple matter to put an RFA tender on both of them.  It is difficult to imagine other teams beating a path to their door in any case.  Losman may be kept around to provide camp competition for Frye, with the winner getting the 3rd string position.

Will the Raiders draft a QB? I don't see it, though Davis may take a flyer on someone like Fordham's John Skelton or Troy's Levi Brown in the 7th round if Losman isn't kept for camp.

Star-divide

 

Running back

Currently under contract: Darren McFadden, Justin Fargas, Michael Bush

Analysis: One of the main disappointments of the Raiders 2009 season was the inability to make proper use of their talented triumverate of runners.  Each has complimentary strengths and weaknesses.  Each of these guys have concerns:  McFadden doesn't fight through tackles enough, Bush has problems with conditioning and Fargas is injury prone.  However, given that all are under contract through the 2011 season, it's hard to imagine any of them going anywhere.  Instead the Raiders will hope Hue Jackson can use them more effectively.  There's an outside chance Michael Bush may be dangled as trade bait on draft day. 

Will the Raiders draft a RB? Extremely unlikely, unless Al falls in love with someone at the Combine.  Then you may see Bush or Fargas shopped.

Fullback:

Currently under contract: Oren O'Neal,  Luke Lawton, Marcel Reese, Gary Russell

Analysis: The organization loves Oren O'Neal, but he has sustained two major, season-ending injuries in as many years.  Luke Lawton was ineffective, suspended for violating the league substance abuse policy and is a free agent in any case.  He's almost certainly gone.  Reese was promoted from the practice squad after Lawton's suspension and Gary Russell is a converted running back who is an average blocker, but talented at catching passes out of the backfield. Part of the reason the running game fell short of expectations was the fact that the lead blocking was at times absolutely woeful. 

Oren O'Neal has potential, but who knows if he can ever stay healthy.  Marcel Reese is uninspiring and Gary Russell is not a natural fullback. The position is a need.

Will the Raiders draft a fullback? It's virtually certain a new one will be picked up.  Rashawn Jackson, John Conner and Cory Jackson are all possibilities in rounds 5-7.  At the least, I predict someone signed as a UDFA.

 

Offensive tackle:

Currently under contract: Mario Henderson, Khalif Barnes, Cornell Green, Langston Walker, Erik Pears

Analysis:  Up and down year for this group.  Mario Henderson started off the year incredibly strong, just as he had finished 2008.  Unfortunately, he faded as the year went on and by the end was struggling.  I tend to blame a lot of this on the injury to Robert Gallery as Henderson suddenly wasn't feeling as comfortable that the blocking assignment to his right was taken care of.  Still, he has to learn to manage on his own. 

Cornell Green is an unmitigated disaster at right tackle and his contract is expiring.  He is a good run blocker, but is a liability in pass protection and is a false start machine.  To the delight of Raider Nation, his time in Oakland is probably coming to a close.

Khalif Barnes was signed to great fanfare to compete with Henderson for the left tackle spot.  Instead, he got injured and was terrible when plugged in at right tackle when Cornell Green was hurt.  He's a UFA and probably not returning.

Erik Pears was signed as depth and didn't do much to inspire.  Again, he was unimpressive when given a shot at right tackle, but was surprisingly competent as guard and as an extra tight end in "jumbo" sets. He may be kept around as depth. 

Langston Walker was signed during the season as depth tackle.  Can't remember if he even played the position, but did step in at guard and was shockingly good.  Again, he may be kept around as depth tackle/guard.

Will the Raiders draft a tackle? It's as close to a lock as you can get. Right tackle is maybe the single biggest need on the team.  They need a reliable pass protector and mauling run blocker at that position.  Anthony Davis and Trent Williams are the likeliest possibilities.  In addition, Bruce Campbell or Bryan Bulaga may be selected with the thought of moving Henderson to the right side.

Guard:

Currently under contract: Robert Gallery, Cooper Carlisle, Chris Morris

Analysis: The single best thing Tom Cable has done for the Raiders organization was to rescue Robert Gallery's career.  A bust at left tackle and mediocre right tackle, the shift to guard has converted Gallery into a dominant mauler and made left guard the one position on the offensive line the Raiders have zero concerns at.  Problem:  That's when he's healthy.  Gallery underwent a siege of injuries this year.  If he can stay healthy an entire season, I firmly believe he'll receive serious Pro Bowl consideration.  He's that good at guard.

Cooper Carlisle was once one of the game's best guards. Time has taken its toll, however and he showed a marked and disturbing decline in 2009.  He'll need replacing soon, though he's under contract for several more years.  Gotta love Davis and his contracts.

Chris Morris is a versatile backup who can play both center and guard.  He struggled with full time starting duties, however and seemed overwhelmed at times.  He's an RFA and a Cable favorite, so you'll probably see him retained.

As mentioned above, both Langston Walker and Erik Pears were serviceable when plugged into guard at various times during the season.

Will the Raiders draft a Guard? Odds are very good, considering the depth of this year's guard class, which is one of the best in years.  Cable was reportedly enamored of Mike Lupati (no surprise there), though to get him the Raiders will either have to reach or trade back into the mid-first or up again into the late-first to get him.  As we all know, though, this is one organization that says "reaches be damned, this is who we want."  Lupati's a natural left guard and Robert Gallery isn't going anywhere, but I have a hunch Cable thinks he could teach Lupati to play right guard or even right tackle.

Cable and Davis also like versatile linemen who can play multiple positions.  It's not out of the realm of possibility they might snatch up a guy like Maurkice Pouncey in round 2.  In addition, keep your eyes on guys like Mike Johnson, Marshall Newhouse, Brandon Carter or Jon Asamoah in rounds 3 or 4. (Like I said, this is a deep guard class)

Center:

Currently under contract: Samson Satele

Analysis: Satele was brought in from the Dolphins in a trade that saw former Raiders center Jake Grove shipped off to Miami.  Sadly, Satele struggled to learn the nuances of the center position in the zone-blocking system.  The center is perhaps the most important position in the ZBS, as he is required to diagnose the defense at the line and call out any blocking corrections.  Satele was so bad at this, that Chris Morris actually won the starting job as center out of camp. 

Happily, Satele improved by leaps and bounds as the season went on and was a perfectly adequate starter by the end.  However, "adequate" doesn't really cut it in the NFL and it's likely the Raiders will be on the lookout for someone to push Satele and maybe even win the starting job.

Will the Raiders draft a center? Odds are good that at the least, someone will be signed as a UDFA, though a center will probably be drafted. As I said above, Maurkice Pouncey's versatility and athleticism (potentially might run a 5.1 at almost 320 pounds) could have him squarely on Oakland's radar in round 2.  J.D. Walton from Baylor and Eric Olsen out of Notre Dame could be snapped up with one of Oakland's round 3 picks.  Finally, Kenny Alfred, Erik Cook, Jacob Hickman and Chris Fisher are all possibilties at the tail end of the draft or as UDFAs.  (Have I mentioned this is a great year for teams with offensive line problems?)

 

Wide Receivers:

Currently under contract: Darrius Heyward-Bey, Chaz Schilens, Louis Murphy, Javon Walker, Todd Watkins, Johnnie Lee Higgins

Analysis: This is a group with a bright future, though you wouldn't much know it from their performance last year.  They and JaMarcus Russell were caught in a sort of mutual cycle of destruction as the struggles of each fed off each other.

Darrius Heyward-Bey is almost too much of a cipher to even evaluate.  To call him massively disappointing is perhaps the understatement of the year. Like  so many Davis draft picks, he's a raw project full of potential the organization seems forever unable to develop.  Can't call him a bust yet, no matter how bad he seemed.  We'll know more after this season.  In any event, he's not going anywhere anytime soon.

Chaz Schilens is the Raiders' no. 1 receiver.  That may sound like a bad thing since he was a 7th round pick out of a small school.  But if you think that, you haven't seen Schilens play.  He's a great route runner who catches just about everything thrown his way.  He missed much of last year with a nagging foot injury, but if he can stay healthy in 2010, he's poised for a breakout season.

Louis Murphy impressed most observers this season, including me.  As the season went on and his confidence improved, he began to assume the position of the Raiders #2 receiver.  Look for him to continue the strong upward trend.

Javon Walker.  What a sad disappointment.  Was inactive for almost every game this year and I have to think Davis will honor his request for a release sometime over the summer.

Johnnie Lee Higgins was struck with a crisis of confidence after week 1 when Russell hung him out to dry on a crossing route and Eric Weddle nearly killed him with a hellacious hit.  He was hesitant and tenative from then on and his punt returning ability also suffered.  He needs to pick it up.  There's an outside chance he'll be a camp casualty if he doesn't improve, though I suspect he'll be around for 2010.

Todd Watkins is your classic 4th or 5th receiver--pretty uninspiring, but could be worse.  Guys like him come and go.  He could be gone, he could be back.

Will the Raiders draft a receiver? Not in the first 3 rounds and probably not in the 4th either.  A lot depends on if guys like Javon Walker, JLH and Watkins are cut.  If you're looking for possible names in late rounds: Riley Cooper, Marcus Easley, Taylor Price and Antonio Brown are the ones I'd consider most likely

Tight ends:

Currently under contract: Zach Miller, Brandon Myers, Tony Stewart

Analysis: Zach Miller is the best tight end you've probably never heard of.  An outstanding blocker, he truly excels in the passing game.  He's one of two receivers (the other is Schilens) that JaMarcus Russell ever developed any chemistry with and has acted as his security blanket for 3 seasons now. 

The organization likes Brandon Myers so much that they actually moved up last year to make sure they got him.  Drafted primarily as a blocker, he showed a surprising talent for catching during camp.

Tony Stewart is a decent enough "jack of all trades, master of none" option.

Will the Raiders draft a tight end? Doubtful, since Miller is the clear #1 and I don't see who they'd get that would be any better than Myers or Stewart.

 

Coming soon:  Part 2....the defense!

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Actually very well done sir!!
Very well thought out and insightful.
Although I wonder if it is a tad to logical……….LOL, based on past picks I sometimes wonder.

by BleedssilverandBlack on Feb 2, 2010 12:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

I was trying to balance real logic with Davis logic. Generally the two are irreconcilable. :)

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Feb 2, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great read Ray

Thanks!

"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra

by Ovale Fan on Feb 7, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good analysis overall

My hope is that the first 4 picks are all-beef…both offensive and defensive linemen. Just seems they haven’t really done a good job of making the lines a priority and the struggles have shown.

I like Gallery as a guard, but part of me thinks that even though he’s good at it, he might not be built for the wear and tear playing on the inside of the line requires.

Woohoo, I get to look forward to another 7-6 season ("at best") in 2010! There's nothing like going to Idaho for a bowl game.

by S Jay Bruin on Feb 2, 2010 1:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I agree, the trenches need desperate bolstering in the first 3 rounds

The only skill positions I’d even think about are MLB and CB and ONLY then if the player is just too talented to let slip away: I’m thinking Rolando McClain and Joe Haden. Wouldn’t do anything other than OT or DT in round 1 unless it was one of those guys.

After round 1, it’s beef all the way.

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Feb 2, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you on McClain being too good to pass up

but maybe I’m a little to skeptical about drafting another DB in the first couple of rounds. Even though he would probably be a big upgrade over Johnson & Routt.

Woohoo, I get to look forward to another 7-6 season ("at best") in 2010! There's nothing like going to Idaho for a bowl game.

by S Jay Bruin on Feb 2, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Haden's the only DB I'd want in round 1 or 2

Because if you get him, you now have two legit shutdown corners. I watch a lot of SEC football and Haden has the ability to be as good as Revis. (No one is as good as Nnamdi)

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Feb 3, 2010 6:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sleeper WR candidate to keep in mind:

Brandon Banks out of Kansas State.

He’s only 5’7", 155 lbs., but runs a 4.3 40 and over the past two season has taken 6 (count ’em, six) kickoffs to the house and maintains a KR average around 30 yards per attempt. He also returns punts. Who cares if he can actually play WR, we could use someone like that.

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Feb 2, 2010 1:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

We definitely need a quality returner for kickoffs and punts

We used to be good at that sort of thing.

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by worldblee on Feb 5, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Get him and Trindon Holliday

as free agents.

Having three deep threat options with Russell and adding Skelton as another big arm would give us a wicked way of moving forward.

Trade JLH and cut some of the other receivers we don’t throw to anyway.

by xville on Feb 10, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And when he gets hurt?

Let’s have some intelligent redundancy, and try to make our deep threat credible.

by xville on Feb 10, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hope Al is reads this, Raybin

You accurately identified O +’s & -‘s. And, yes, need a true FB in the Van Eeghen mold who can blast 3 yards consistently, convoy RBs through, take out LB and augment the pocket protection; the rest of the backfield and receivers are fine for now … and with Figurs coming the kick returns should improve. But, I do not think we have a good OT, Henderson included. All our OTs are really Guards and excel immediately whenever moved there. – we have no real O-Tackles and 6 Guards. If we shoot for 2 OTs along the lines of the great Lincoln Kennedy and get a Center as good as Robbins we will be way ahead of last year’s roster.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 2, 2010 1:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think the wide receiver position would benefit more

from signing a veteran who will be allowed to suit up each week. I think it hurts the other young receivers and the quarterback not to have a guy who is a pro at reading defenses from the outside and knowing where to pick his spots. That being said, I don’t know who’s available or who would even come work with us at this point, but I think the raw talent is there. A veteran receiver would give us 4 locks for next year and could use a late round pick as you suggested for a receiver who can play special teams.

I’m not sure if JLH has much left, but shouldn’t go into camp as a lock for the team next year.

Woohoo, I get to look forward to another 7-6 season ("at best") in 2010! There's nothing like going to Idaho for a bowl game.

by S Jay Bruin on Feb 2, 2010 2:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

WRs and RBs are full

I agree that the first 3 rounds should be conscious of the O and D line. We can sign potential WR(s) that are UFAs. The backfield is stacked for RB with 3 genuine starters if we could just consistantly give the ball to one of them and stick to a running game that benefits and plays to that chosen backs strengths. I personally wish for Fargus or Bush to be “The Man” more so Bush than Fargas as I think Fargas is good as a fill in. Split McFadden out as a flanker.
We all well most ok a bunch atually have said the same thing and it seems quite logical.
PS good right up must have taken a while to put it together.
I am not sold on Gallery I think he still mails it in half of the time and is soft (injury prone) I think he should reduce the number of tatoos he has and cut the mop it may be distracting him.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 2, 2010 2:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Good read.

For right OT, I like Kyle Calloway as a value pick who has good experience on left and right side.

For left OT depth I’d snag Cirone Black for rotation.

For right side depth I’d grab John Jerry who can play both Guard and Tackle with power.

I wouldn’t mind the organization looking at acquiring Anthony Dixon as a running back option in the 2nd, and have a power back look after shopping McFadden.
Otherwise, the 2nd will be the most interesting because of who possibly shakes off the 1st.

I’m thinking our first round pick should be run defense oriented: McClain or DT Price.

The Tackles and Guards are good values from the 3rd round on; and of course I’d like to snag that center from Notre Dame in the 5th.

Skelton is a good pick for development, but I still like the special teams speedster in the 7th or as free agent -Holliday from LSU.

by xville on Feb 2, 2010 5:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

LSU

It’s a pretty good school. Just because one guy from that school didn’t work out doesn’t mean that everyone is like him. That’s a terrible generalization.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 3, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dorsey, Jackson and J-Russ have been, pretty much busts:

Even Dwayne Bowe had to overcome the lethargy that LSU permiates.

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Feb 3, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ummmm...Blue?

Thats what she said

by Remix. on Feb 3, 2010 11:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's a theory, at least, about Russell

In “Cat on a hot tin roof” Brick is a former football hero who now drinks a lot, is indifferent towards his family, wife (Maggie) and family fortune – an indifference (depression?) that began with the death of his closest friend – Skipper. However, the play’s theme is actually about the falseness in relationships permeating southern culture “Mendacity” is the term both Britt and his father, Big Daddy, apply to the situation.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 4, 2010 5:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jamarcus doesn't look depressed to me

Plus, the analogy creates possibilities for slippery interpretations.

What’s that smell in this room? Didn’t you notice it, Brick? Didn’t you notice the powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?

by Spirals galore on Feb 4, 2010 6:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If the Raiders wanted to do a BPA in round 1 and get someone like McClain...

…and then snatch up Calloway in round 2, that would be awesome.

I REALLY like Calloway. He’s a natural right tackle who has played the position all through college. No teaching or conversion necessary, just plug him in and let him go.

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Feb 3, 2010 6:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm open

Kyle Calloway, Iowa
Height: 6-7. Weight: 315.
Projected 40 Time: 5.22.
Projected Round (2010): 2-3.
1/18/10: Earned an All-Big Ten honorable mention. A solid right tackle prospect whose DUI shouldn’t be a concern because he was riding a moped at the time. (not a Harley? Hah!)
10/24/09: Projects as a very solid right tackle in the NFL

by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 3, 2010 6:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Anybody else

wondering what a 6’7" 315 pound guy looks like on a moped?

I mean that’s got to be a sight…

by KiwiRaiderFan on Feb 3, 2010 5:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm, we haven't good luck with mopeds and sports in the Bay

At least not us Warriors fans.

@worldblee on Twitter.

by worldblee on Feb 5, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Calloway has been pushed down even further,

so we would likely be able to pick him up in the late 3rd or 4th.

Backing him up with Ulatoski for rotation, who has experience on both right & left tackle, and who we can snag in the 5th would be a smart move for depth.

by xville on Feb 3, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm in

As long as we get McClain #1 we can go o-line heavy in the rest of the draft. Probably need a FB too
the reason we give up so many big plays on “D” is MLB Morrison is either making the wrong call for the defense or is way out of position for the cut back of the other teams running back. or sometimes both.

by rambis64 on Feb 4, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Need a Horse to ride in Rd 1

Bruce Campbell is our stallion

Runners cant run and QB’s can’t pass (except for JMiss who cant regardless) without a solid O LINE.

I also really like Jeff Byers in the 5th round as a OG to back up Cooper and eventually take over.

DO agree that a difference maker in return game would be huge. A backup WR type or DB

by Bud Light on Feb 2, 2010 5:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

You are very adamant about Bruce Campbell Bud Light

I swear he is well presented on this blog – hahah. I think he’s great but not as great as McClain. But I might be wrong in terms of what’s best for the team … so whoever is right – let them have their wish.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 2, 2010 8:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He also is injury prone

# Weaknesses:
# Inexperienced – only 17 career starts
# Too upright in pass protection
# Natural knee bender?
# Plays with narrow base
# Legit durability concerns

Summary: Consider Bruce Campbell the Jason Smith of the 2010 NFL Draft class. His stock will be soaring through the roof once we get to the Combine, however, he is more of a natural pass protector than Smith. With more experience, he could become a Pro Bowl left tackle at the next level. Of course, you have to consider his long list of injuries, but he’ll likely be taken in the top 16 picks.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 3, 2010 4:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome write up.

I believe that the First Pick should go toward the defense. However, we are forgetting that Nick Miller might still play for the Raiders (I don’t even know if I’m right, lol.) My dream draft would be for the first three pics, we get an MLB, and OL, and a NT. Then for the rest of the draft, beef up on OL, and maybe get one or two possible Corners.

by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Feb 2, 2010 6:56 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I said it below and I'll say it again

People used to fear playing the Raiders. Win or lose, you were going to get hurt.

Whether it was Shell and Upshaw destroying everything in their path, wide recievers pissing themselves when they went over the middle because that was where the most intimidating safety in the history of the game was lurking or Ben Davidson massacring quarterbacks….it was terrifying when the Raiders came to town or worse…you had to go to Oakland.

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Feb 3, 2010 6:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Those 70's teams were just unreal

They had Villipiano and Hendricks across from each other in the linebacking corps. Can you imagine that today?

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Feb 3, 2010 6:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Two guys that would play the game for no money - they just loved contact

Phil Villipiano, unlike a hound, knew what to do with a moving vehicle when he chased it down.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 3, 2010 6:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

dude, I wish the raiders were like that again.

although I wasn’t alive in the 70s, I always heard the stories of guys like tatum, allen, jackson(bo), hendricks. I wish I was alive to witness helmets flying off with heads in them. :)

by patriotguy on Feb 3, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rec’d!

Tommy Kelly's ass won us that game against Denver!

by Robby1987 on Feb 2, 2010 7:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

TYVM!

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Feb 3, 2010 6:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

Always good to have one’s judgment vindicated. :)

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Feb 3, 2010 6:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice breakdown. Very succinct rendition of what a logical organization might do

Unfortunately, we never know here, do we?

I still think it’s completely unfair for people to pass judgment on these receivers, when there was basically no qb throwing to them for most of the season. DHB dropped a lot of balls, and I won’t get into him, besides saying letting him go—which we all know won’t happen right now—would be a huge mistake at this point. Taking a wideout with any decent pick is a waste of a pick that should be used in the trenches: the biggest, strongest athletes at the respective positions available. I hope your prediction that Hue will cut Jafatass—when, not if—he shows up and stinks up camp and the locker room and Oakland, and any chance in hell of sucess…

That’s another matter. I rec’d your post too. Sometimes I wish some of you guys were GM, or at least had enough influence to change the draft culture of the last decade. The one thing that makes me hopeful is that the most impressive athletes of this draft are arguably the guys at the positions we need. We know who they are, and we have mutiple plan Bs, that are upgrades, and would offer a semblance of an effective offense, with Grad, Frye, and Losman.

I don’t hate the idea of taking a wideout, if you can get a quality leader-type guy. I don’t think you can really blame Henderson for a decline in play when you consider he was the only capable lineman much of the time, with Satele also struggling with virtual voids on either side of him in Gallery’s absence. Barnes was a huge miss, and I have to admit I was pumped when we got him. All the more proof we take advantage of this draft to get 1200 pounds of football hell on either side of the line, and see this team dominate again.

My prediction on the qbs: Al keep Jasuckass for too long, but he get’s benched sooner. All three backs stay, unless Fargas gets offered some coin from somebody. They young’uns stay. FB is always on Al’s radar, especially a Ritchie type guy, who’s a stud blocker and pass catcher. Russell is pretty good, but he’s no Crockett lead blocking and in short yardage. Some guys could be right about Mays with Al, which might make me consider jumping off a building.

In my dreams, we get studs on both sides of the line, the best true MLB we can get (empasis on leader, and get Ricky Brown healthy) and a corner 4-7. For some reason I feel like it’s harder to miss this time around than anything, and that it’ll at least garner two immediate impact guys, even by default. It’s a crap shoot! Why not consider the probabilities! They’re high.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Feb 2, 2010 11:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Good heavens! Cody converted to Guard and yokozuna Musashimaru a Raider

" …get 1200 pounds of football hell on either side of the line, and … dominate again."

by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 3, 2010 4:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Royce Gracie at LCB?

upside: WRs tapping out
downside: more holding penalties

by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 3, 2010 5:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

hahahahahahahahahahah +1

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Feb 3, 2010 6:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

how do I post pictures?

I want to post one of Konishiki, a Japanese-Samoan sumo wrestler who was denied Yokozuna-ship for murky reasons, allegedly chauvinistic. It was a great controversy at the time, verging on scandal. Akebono, a Hawaiian, came right after him and the Japanese awarded him the yokozuna rank.

Konishiki is heavier than Akebono (who is the heaviest yokozuna ever).

by Spirals galore on Feb 3, 2010 5:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

you'll need to

1) right click on picture and select “copy image location”
2) on this site click on the little tree icon and paste in the address to the image (right click in the text field and select paste)
3) Hit enter or ok
4) bask in the awe of your posted picture :)

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by mikesd1981 on Feb 3, 2010 6:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jesus

Even Terrence Cody looks at him as says “Put down the sandwich, fatty”

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Feb 3, 2010 6:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Way too much tofu

take note of LyleAlzadoPunch’s advice, patriotguy

by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 3, 2010 6:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

OMG

that picture is too nice looking and far too considerate showing JaBloatuss looking normal. A picture of JaBubass should never show this kind of nicety.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 3, 2010 7:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i never tried tofu

and likely never will. Thanks to Punch. :)

by patriotguy on Feb 3, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Is that guy for real?

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Feb 3, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I actually ordered the PPV that was on just to watch that

I knew the fight would go exactly like it did, I just had to see it. Plus, I love Royce from the days of the original UFCs

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Feb 3, 2010 6:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oops, that should've been a reply to Spirals Galore's youtube

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Feb 3, 2010 6:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great comment!

I don’t know if anything else needs be said but this over and over again:

“All the more proof we take advantage of this draft to get 1200 pounds of football hell on either side of the line, and see this team dominate again.”

This team has to get MEAN again.

Art Shell was by all accounts the most quiet, polite man you’d ever want to meet, yet if you tried to get at Stabler or tackle the guy he was lead blocking for, he’d rip your fucking head off. This whole organization needs to get that nastiness back.

Tyvon: Study your Jack Tatum tapes!!!!

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Feb 3, 2010 6:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My favorite football player of all time, bar none

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Feb 3, 2010 6:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I am in total agreement. I want murderers on this team.

I can’t stress enough how the missing ingredients here are passion to play and hating to lose.

by CoachConnors on Feb 4, 2010 10:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

another take on "1200 pounds of football hell"

Thus just in:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704259304575043380897055398.html?mod=WSJ_ArtsEnt_Sports)

The Colts dominate their opponents, despite their relatively diminutive size. I am including an excerpt from the article in which the Raiders are also mentioned:

The Colts, for their part, put a premium on fitness over bulk. They give each player a personal body-fat-percentage goal for the off-season, and training regimens value lean muscle mass and quickness over sheer size. “We try to get stronger and quicker. I think that would be a little bit better than gaining 30 pounds,” says Mr. Coyer.
While the Colts and some other teams have had success with smaller players on defense, big, strong defensive players can still stifle offenses in the NFL. The Minnesota Vikings are the second-tallest team in the league, behind the Oakland Raiders, and they ranked in the top 10 for total defense. They sacked quarterbacks 48 times this season—the most in the NFL—with their blue-chip defensive line.
Phil Simms, who will be CBS’s analyst in the Super Bowl, says most teams in the NFL don’t follow the philosophy of the Colts. One reason, he says, is that size is more constant throughout the season.
“When you’re fast, you usually get slower during the year. When you’re big, you don’t get smaller.” Still, some of the biggest defenses in the NFL are duds. The Raiders ranked 26th in yards-per-game allowed this season.

by Spirals galore on Feb 4, 2010 7:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and another excerpt from that article

Phil Simms, who will be CBS’s analyst in the Super Bowl, says most teams in the NFL don’t follow the philosophy of the Colts. One reason, he says, is that size is more constant throughout the season.
“When you’re fast, you usually get slower during the year. When you’re big, you don’t get smaller.” Still, some of the biggest defenses in the NFL are duds. The Raiders ranked 26th in yards-per-game allowed this season.
Going into Sunday’s game, the Saints’ offense is saying something you rarely hear in the NFL: that the opponent’s lack of size is truly what frightens them.
“They’re smaller guys, they’re all fast,” says Saints running back Reggie Bush. “You have to worry about matchup problems, matching up with their speed. They’ll give up yards but not a lot of touchdowns.”

by Spirals galore on Feb 4, 2010 7:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It can be done with these type of guys, but it is an exception to the rule

These guys excel at it. They also are as good as Peyton at selling play actions, and faking directions and slided to effectively give Peyton the 2-3 seconds he needs, and no more.

Sunday’s game will be a question if the Saints can outscore the Colts, with no less than 75 overall points scored.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Feb 4, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No surprise here

The Raiders will typically build a team that tries to intimidate just getting off the bus. Doesn’t really work in today’s NFL though as a blend of skill and intellegence is becoming equally important. The Raiders need to focus on getting players, not just athletes.

Woohoo, I get to look forward to another 7-6 season ("at best") in 2010! There's nothing like going to Idaho for a bowl game.

by S Jay Bruin on Feb 4, 2010 9:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

good post

and i agree w/ the trenches being the biggest part of our game that we need to improve but i really think that kyle wilson, the corner out of boise is a stud and if we could trade down in the second a few spots and hell pick up like a 7th or somthin in the process, its somthin that we should definatly look at. stanford is terrible so i know this kid would be a nickel corner right off the bat and he’d challenge CJ for the number 2 spot. other then this all i have to say is that the lupati guy out of idaho is a damn beast and first round needs to be mcclain or one of the above mentioned tackles.

by frank7da2tank on Feb 3, 2010 12:20 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Would not complain about Wilson at all

Also, he could help our awful return game

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Feb 3, 2010 6:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Love this kid

Only surrendered 1 sack all year and that was with the other 4 guys with him on the line struggling at various times.

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Feb 3, 2010 6:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

BC's All-ACC Center Matt Tennant

carried the responsibility of getting everyone on BC’s line on the same page. Boston College went 8-4 before losing to USC in the emerald bowl – 13 to 24.

Matt Tennant, Boston College
Height: 6-4. Weight: 290.
Projected 40 Time: 4.93.
Projected Round (2010): 2-3.
1/17/10: Matt Tennant has 40 consecutive starts. He was an All-ACC second-teamer.
2/11/09: An honorable mention on the All-ACC Team.
7/28/08: Matt Tennant started every game for Boston College in 2007, as he was a very reliable center for Matt Ryan.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 3, 2010 5:58 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Think Tennant's slightly overrated

I’d go with Pouncey, Walton and Olsen ahead of him. But you also wouldn’t hear me complain if he was the pick.

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Feb 3, 2010 6:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fantastic Write-up and a great read:

Thanks Raybin!!!

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Feb 3, 2010 6:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Great analysis. I’m pretty much right on board with you, except that I am not a fan of Mario Henderson. I’d like to see us go after a left tackle (especially if Okung somehow drops to us at #8) and move Henderson over to right tackle. I still like Carlisle, and I think he’ll play better with more talent at RT and possibly center. Our skill position players are young and very talented. If we can get the QB position figured out, and the o-line improves, there should be a significant improvement in the offense this year.

by mattrice on Feb 3, 2010 8:56 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to see Nick Miller get a shot at the slot WR

when he is healthy. He was one of the few bright spots in training camp before getting injured.

by markdog333 on Feb 3, 2010 9:16 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm curious about Walker too

It was comical to listen to the coaches answer questions about him, and then listen to his interviews. According to Walker, he had his explosiveness back, and he was one of the best receivers on the team in practice.

by markdog333 on Feb 3, 2010 9:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Mclain please

Move Kirk to OLB where he naturally should be. Than try to get Wilfork, if not we need to seriously think about who we should put behind Suh as best NT. We need both terribly bad.

Dream scenario : Sing Wilfork, draft Mclain, sign Porter and keeping Grad.Also lose Walker and Warren

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"

by dubzfan on Feb 3, 2010 11:15 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for insight

Nicely done and it is a big help to have reference going into the draft especially from a Raider fans point of view, Not Mell Kyper and the bunch.

by Chef al'la Glenn on Feb 3, 2010 11:28 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Mike Johnson OG Alabama

Read a scouting report before the Senior Bowl that said that Johnson may be the best ZBS Guard in the draft this year. Watched him closely each time he was in the game during the Senior Bowl, and was very impressed. He moves well, is smart and has good vision, and drives very well when run blocking. I think he was overlooked a little with everyone (commentators included) focusing on Iupati, and he quietly had a very good game. May be someone to keep an eye on…

by edward teach on Feb 3, 2010 4:43 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Just wanted to thank everyone for all the great comments

Hope to have part 2 out today!

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Feb 4, 2010 5:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

This just in: Gannon speaks again

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/raiders/detail?&entry_id=56626

Gannon: JaMarcus lost team, staff

Met former Raiders coach (sic) Rich Gannon for the first time here at the Super Bowl, where he is doing his Sirius show from radio row. Well, it’s actually rows formed into many squares within a square room but whatever.

He talked about his Super Bowl experience (“I just wish it could have been a more competitive game”). He talked about the post-Gannon Raiders (“It pains me to see how things are now”). And, he talked about Raiders quarterback JaMarcus Russell.
Like most, Gannon is not impressed.

“This guy, it’s got to come from within,” Gannon said of Russell. "He’s got between now and April 1. He’s got a lot of work to do just in terms of getting himself physically and mentally prepared, just for the offseason program. It’s not OK anymore to come into the offseason program and get yourself in shape. It’s not OK anymore to come in 30 or 40 pounds overweight and hope that by the time training camp comes around … This game has changed.

“As a quarterback, you have to be the leader of the football team. If you walk in the door not mentally or physically ready, I think it sets you back. I think he’s lost the confidence and the trust of the coaching staff and his teammates in the locker room,. Until he wins that back, I think it’s going to be an uphill battle.”

Here’s the rest …

On hiring of OC Hue Jackson: You can have some great coaches around you but if you don’t take advantage of the opportunities and take advantage of their wealth of experience … Hue Jackson was very instrumental in working with Carson Palmer. You look at what he’s done with Joe Flacco. Everywhere Hue’s been, he’s made an impact."

Side note: Keep in mind, Gannon is a huge, huge Paul Hackett fan, called him the best quarterbacks teacher out there (he played for Hackett in Kansas City). Gannon made it clear the key to Russell isn’t better teaching. It’s getting inside his head and getting him motivated to work on what’s being taught.

On how he led the Raiders: “When I came to Oakland in 1999, I didn’t sign up to be the team jerk but I was taken aback by the things I was seeing. Guys being late to meetings, guys missing practices. Sometimes, something had to be said. … You’re never going to have 53 guys committed. But if you have 45 or 48, you’re gonna beat the team that has 25. When I first got to Oakland, I would say we were batting about .500. Over a course of time, we brought in players like a Jerry Rice or a Rod Woodson or a Tracy Armstrong and we were starting to head into the right direction.”

On the current state of the Raiders: "People ask what’s the problem now. Well, it’s gone back to being the way it was before. They don’t have enough leadership to fight through it. Part of my legacy was helping turn the place around, make it a competitive place, and we had a lot of success before I got hurt. Those three eyars where we won three division titles and played in two AFC championship games, we were one of the more competitive places in the league.

“It pains me to see how things are now. I’ve still got teammates there, Shane Lechler and Sebastian Janikowski, guys I took under my wing when they first came into the building. I know they don’t feel like they really have a chance when they play certain teams. Unfortunately for those type of guys, when they came in they were playing playoff games, they were playing on national TV all the time. They figured that’s how it was and they haven’t gotten a sniff since. They realize how hard it is.”

On his Super Bowl experience: “The week for me was a blur. I wish I could do it all over again and try slowing it down and really enjoy it more. I just wish it could have been a more competitive guy. Going against Jon Gruden, a guy near and dear to my heart who brought me there … nothing went right for us all week.”

Posted By: David White (Email, Twitter) | February 04 2010 at 08:00 AM

by Spirals galore on Feb 4, 2010 8:30 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Got to hear this live, Spirals. I love the Sirius Blitz, Moving the Chains, Late Hits...

It’s kinda rare I actually listen to music in the car ( I know, kinda sad!) I saw clips of Lincoln Kennedy, Rich, and other Raiders noting how Brooks, Sapp, and Lynch would call out the audibles when made. Those three were all over it in that game, and unfortunately, Rich played right into it. Unbelievable they wouldn’t plan for something like that. No excuses for him, though: he threw the balls, time and time again. knowing this was happening. It was an NFL “tuck rule” game, and had highlights of the Raider team from the following year, when they played the bucs in the SB.

Painful to hear it from Lincoln Kennedy.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Feb 4, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My understanding is that David White chatted with him outside the studio.

You are right about listening to the whole thing, as opposed to reading bits and pieces, even if the bits and pieces are direct quotes. Hey, even JR sounds somewhat coherent when I listen to him.

What David White published on his blog has some striking similarities with what Gannon sent you—maybe not word-for-word, but in terms of vagueness and generalities. May I be proven wrong, not by interpretations but by facts.

by Spirals galore on Feb 4, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

he also sounds like a megalomaniac

as if all the Raiders achieved during his tenure there was solely the result of his fathering them.

And I don’t like the fact that he keeps obsessing about Russell and never once mentions Gradkowski—as if Grad doesn’t exist.

by Spirals galore on Feb 4, 2010 12:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Because the elephant in the room

is Russell. It’s fairly obvious that Russell is the man that is going to start. We don’t even know if Gradkowski will be on the team next year. It only makes sense then that Russell would be the topic of choice. And I find my self believing that he may have helped turn the team around, but like he said once they got more hard working guys in like Rice and Brown I’m sure it was easier.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Feb 4, 2010 5:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yes, although I don't have the impression that JR is definitely going to start

The guy though annoys me mightily. I did a Google News search for him and he gave another interview for Big Blue Shue on the Deep Blue, where he said the same thing, verbatim, about the Raiders. There is, of course, the possibility that the guy took excerpts from White’s interview of Gannon and claimed it as his own; or that he was also present during the chat.

by Spirals galore on Feb 4, 2010 5:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So what makes you think

he won’t start?

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Feb 4, 2010 5:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There will not be a QB competition

and if we don’t resign Gradkowski or any other true QB talent, I’m wrting off the season.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Feb 4, 2010 5:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

1. Responding first to your question above—I haven’t seen anything definite one way or the other from the reports (there is a song, Communique, the lyrics of which sum it up). I watched several earlier interviews of Al, and while he appears stubborn and egomaniacal, I didn’t get the impression he is completely nuts; so, since I am a very cautious analyzer, I wouldn’t like to exclude the possibility that he may start someone else. If he doesn’t-then I’ll know for sure. That’s not some misguided hope, it’s just not reacting emotionally to the news.
2. Yes, I understand. I wouldn’t write the season off though—what makes you say that?

by Spirals galore on Feb 4, 2010 6:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Because

Russell is not going to get better. If we don’t sign any true QB talent or Grad, who’s proven he can lead the team, then we know Russell will start all season.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Feb 4, 2010 6:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

you may be right about Russell

The only factor that I consider against it is the possibility that he is a “late bloomer.” He chose football for the wrong reasons, which may be why he doesn’t work at it (I am basing this guess on what he said in his Mardi Gras cameo—football kept him out of trouble and made him a very rich young man. The fact that he was also good at basketball and javelin tells me he is a natural athlete, and as many natural athletes, he has poor work habits.).

Then again—he may not be a “late bloomer” in terms of football, but in terms of something else. The guy is sweet, that’s why I have the feeling he may turn to kidergarten teaching…

by Spirals galore on Feb 4, 2010 6:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well let him go into teaching

maybe he’ll eat a kid.

I don’t see how you get sweet out his personality. From hearing him give interviews I get a sense that he feels he’s entitled and that he’s a bit selfish. Almost a Brett Favre type personality without earning the right.

I understand you apparently like to find the good in people, but let’s look at this from a point of view that he’s on our roster right now. He has stated he won’t re-noegotiate his contract and Davis hasn’t made any inclination he’ll release him. He’s got an OC “for the whole offense (that’s probably true, but read between the lines)”. Russell will start. If we don’t pick up some QB talent or resign the guy that’s proven he can lead then expect to see a lot of Russell and a lot of losing. He needs someone back there pushing him, cuz he apparently has no ambition to do it on his own.

What he does after the NFL I could care less. I fear that kindergarten may be hard for him. How can you teach a kid something you don’t grasp yourself?

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Feb 4, 2010 6:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The guy is an oaf

who speaks what he hears other people say. Have you ever heard him say anything that is not a cliche? So when he said he’d not renegotiate, he spoke what his agent had told him (perhaps in the early days).

He has shown himself as an utter oaf though. Maybe I am just fighting the impulse to ridicule him. Oh me the hypocrite…

by Spirals galore on Feb 4, 2010 6:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure that makes you

a hypocrite. But you need to be wiling to accept that some people just aren’t made for the job they’re in. I don’t think he’s a real intelligent guy. I can’t confirm, but read that a lot of his offense was modified for him in college. So taking that to the NFL where you play with the big boys who are getting paid to kill you it’s different.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Feb 4, 2010 6:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He attributes much of it to himself, with Gruden. Never without.

He does seem to have megalomaniacal tendencies, especially listening….

I have interpreted it to be that everything went south when he, along with Allen, Gruden, Brown, Woodson, were chased away. The exodus of leaders from the bldg. It’s also arguable to interpret it in the way to which you referred.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Feb 4, 2010 6:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well
I have interpreted it to be that everything went south when he, along with Allen, Gruden, Brown, Woodson, were chased away. The exodus of leaders from the bldg.

Would that be wrong?

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Feb 4, 2010 6:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I do not believe so, sir

and the proverbial proof is in the pudding. I have like an emphasis on character guys in the draft, but it does not a leader make.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Feb 4, 2010 6:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a bit of a egotistical person

at my job, but when I take off for a vacation day or what have you, nothing gets done as efficient or well as when I’m there. I’ve earned my ego.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Feb 4, 2010 6:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and the right to do so. we know when we can or can't, and I'd give Gannon license in this case

He was the last guy to have any offensive success, or at all at QB.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Feb 4, 2010 6:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

at least consistent success

I think we have the makings of another Gannon-type QB in our midst. But I have to be careful about putting certain players that have break out moments on a pedestal.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Feb 4, 2010 6:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I, too, believe we have a guy who can successfully motivate, lead, and execute the O

but missing ingredients must be put in place, or he will suffer further injury, and another guy will fall victim to an offense that can’t get off the ground.

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by brhynno on Feb 4, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And because of the huge investment and commitment already made to Russell

Giant paychecks don’t make players leaders, but they do bring elevated expectations and higher visability. Russell not only has been given the keys before he could drive, but now it’s like he’s the one keeping his foot on the brake. I’m not real surprised Gannon would spend more time on that than on other QB’s who might not even be here. That, and I don’t think Gradkowski is a future star.

by CoachConnors on Feb 4, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Eloquently stated, but having watched Bruce in four succesive games he is

above average – and that is very special to be among the top 16 QBs. I hope we sign him and we correct the fucked-up line.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 4, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Methinks you're compensating

for your dog-fueled hostility to Vick. I understand. I’d prefer Gradkowski though—he is capable of (noble) viciousness, being a Pole.

by Spirals galore on Feb 4, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We'll just disagree on the Bruce valuation but

I’ll say it again, passion to play and hating to lose is what this team needs, at positions beyond who plays QB.

I’m conclicfted on Vick. I hate him a little, yeah. On the other hand, having players who are real life cold blooded would be ok with me for while. You know? Stop trying to intimidate from the bus, as someone said, and bring out someone who will just kill you.

by CoachConnors on Feb 4, 2010 10:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, that task seems for suited to a MLB than a QB don't you think?

In a recent voting pole, most of us are pulling for Rolando McClain who won the Butkus award as the nation’s best college LB and distinguished himself in the BCS Championship. This is where intimidation could be most felt. Or with a pass rusher DT who runs QBs down and punishes them. But Vick? how do you really envision him brutalizing opponents? Your sensitivities (squeamishness) aside, I’ve nothing against Vick. Just can’t see spending the money when Bruce has what we need to go into postseason … given a couple of OTs DTs a MLB and a CB.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 4, 2010 10:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Winning sooner is better with this team

It would lead to winning sooner. And I want the attitude changed. I want a lot of things, but this most. Gradkowski was good, but they can get a better for really not that much more $.

I was there, I saw Bruce play too, and I’m just not that impressed. A couple of good games, yes. A playmaker like Vick? Of course not.

I thought you had a serious argument until you tried to say getting Vick would mean we couldn’t get all those players, and the rediculous shit talking about how could an offensive player intimidate someone, and whatever squemishness you’re trying to imagine. Now I know you’re just frontin, heh.

by CoachConnors on Feb 5, 2010 12:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Michael Vick

would be a better RB than QB. What’s intimidating about Michael Vick? The fact he’s a criminal so now he’s bad ass? If the opponent shuts down the run (oh wait that’s what they do now) you’ll see Vick is a mediocre thrower. So let’s keep Gradkowski who was chemistry already with the team and coaches and can run to get that 1st down. Why bring Vick in who may cause problems because he wants to start and has to learn a new offense when Grad is already there.

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by mikesd1981 on Feb 5, 2010 5:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I don’t see Vick as being successful as a full-time QB in the Raider system. Not to mention his criminal acts of unbelievable cruelty—which speak to a lack of intelligence as well as lack of character.

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by worldblee on Feb 5, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Umm

Have you seen the track record of NFL players lately? Most of whom still play in the NFL. I have learned in my somewhat medium amount of time to atleast give aperson a second chance. Everyone deserves it.
As for the individual who are repeatedly pushing the limits of the law….. let the punishment suit the crime.
After all if its ok to run someone over and kill them while drunk and get 14 days in jail!!!!!?? Then get reinstated there after, why cant Vick get a second chance.

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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 6, 2010 7:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Is he on a team right now?

Then he is getting a second chance. What good does it do to give him a 2nd chance if we would use the image of him as a criminal to intimidate as CoachConnors wants?

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by mikesd1981 on Feb 6, 2010 9:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Apples and Oranges

Worldbee spoke directly of Vick’s transgressions and how he should not play as a result. How one person wants to use him and what his actual purpose is on the field is 2 different things. Quite obviously CoachConnors isnt deciding how Vick will or should be used.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 6, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But the root of this whole topic

comes really from CoachConnors post about wanting to bring Vick here because of his “bad ass” image, which he admits comes from being a criminal. I have no qualms giving someone on a second chance, but not if we’re going to give him a 2nd chance only to capitalize on his transgression.

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by mikesd1981 on Feb 6, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I want Vick

For his talent, Not his criminal record. I mean, the dude killed dogs. Thats not that “tough”. lol. I have a tougher criminal record than that even. An intimidating criminal record would go to Ray Lewis. Didnt he kill a guy and get away? ANd what do you think on Donte Stallworth? Browns are gonna release him I guess

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by Remix. on Feb 6, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't want Vick

because of his talent. He’s a better runner than passer. He’s a middle of the pack passer and not much better, if at all, than Gradkowski. Gradkowski has proven he’s a leader and can command respect when on the field, no reason to bring someone in that doesn’t know the system when Bruce is already there and has the needed chemistry with the players and coaches. Vick wants to be a starter and he may cause issues if he’s not, and right now it looks like Russell is our chosen one. There’s just no reason at all to bring Vick in. Once the teams shut down our run again, we’ll need to pass and Gradkowski can do that and still scramble for yardage. Vick would be a better RB than QB.

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by mikesd1981 on Feb 6, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And also

since Gradkowski replaced Russell before because Russell was doing poorly, it could motivate Russell having Grad behind him again if Russell is indeed the chosen one for the beginning of the season.

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by mikesd1981 on Feb 6, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Vick

Hes never gonna be a RB, He is the prototype Scrambling QB, I get what your saying about him and Bruce, Dont get me wrong, I love Bruce, But what happens if he gets injured again. What are we left with? Frye and JaMarcus? A whole nother season down the drain

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by Remix. on Feb 6, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well we still have first dibs on losman

but Russell is going to start for 2 to 4 games games any way so that’s up to a 1/4 of the season lost. Also we haven’t gotten into the FA or draft yet, we may find a 3rd string QB out there. And honestly I’d like to see Frye in m,ore games minus a lingering concussion and see what he can do.

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by mikesd1981 on Feb 6, 2010 11:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Frye isn't going anywhere

Hes a career backup

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by Remix. on Feb 7, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe

but it doesn’t necessary mean for the Raiders.

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by mikesd1981 on Feb 7, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Scott, free

never understood what that colloquialism meant, but it seems appropriate here.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Feb 6, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok

However why did you reply to my post although my statement had nothing to do with CC? I was stating something else related to another person’s take.
I think Vick would be interesting to add. It has nothing to do with his supposed “badass image”. I really dont think he is much of a bad ass. A huge talent potential that could flourish in Oakland if the offense is set right.
I also think he would bring in some fresh air a give a little energy around the team morale.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 8, 2010 8:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Because you made a comment

about getting a second chance, and I replied to that.

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by mikesd1981 on Feb 8, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Virginia Tech is (technically) in the Deep South

and I’ve launched a fan-base campaign to boycott that cultural region’s players. Winning is what this is all about; but there is no guarantee that Vick will win more games for us. I would take Grad over McNabb and Phili is taking McNabb over Vick.
As for the “squeamishness” reference, it was in response to your hand-wringing hypocrisy about Vick – on the one hand, your wanting Vick to be a ‘killer’ and ‘to murder’ other humans on the field while on the other hand, being overly sensitive about Vick’s treatment of animals.Finally, your “just frontin” reference is off the wall; I speak for nobody but myself and serve only the Raiders’ best interests.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 5, 2010 6:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm curious on your reasons

you think Gradkowski can’t be a star? Gannon was also a journey man until he came here.

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by mikesd1981 on Feb 5, 2010 4:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Another Gannon on Russell--video link to the new 12-minute interview included

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/Gannon-Makes-Ripping-JaMarcus-a-Full-Time-Hobby-83682607.html

It’s like Gannon thinks he’s Ralph Nader and JaMarcus is the Ford Pinto. Gannon thinks we need a crusader to alarm people to some great societal wrong being purported by Russell’s continuing ineffectiveness at quarterback. He can’t let it go that his former team now has a bad signal-caller. Dan Marino doesn’t go around publicly berating Chad Henne like this!
Gannon’s criticisms are generally sane and accurate. But Gannon’s level of emotional attachment is unusual. Plenty of guys have retired and gone into broadcasting. But they don’t normally care so much if their former team has become lousy, or that the guy playing their old position isn’t any good.

by Spirals galore on Feb 5, 2010 5:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So what they're saying

is that they can’t figure out why a guy who won here is still passionate about his former team especially the position he played and did well at? God forbid the man have loyalty and still some love for the team that made his career. What a bad bad bad person Gannon is. Shame on him for trying to care. The world would be a better place if no one was like Gannon and simply didn’t care.

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by mikesd1981 on Feb 7, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

oh so that was your point

by the commented section I thought you were saying Gannon is too obsessive or something.

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by mikesd1981 on Feb 7, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yep.

I should stop being Laconic, and I must abstain from using college words. Bad, bad Spirals

by Spirals galore on Feb 7, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

there's nothing wrong with using college words

The problem is quoting something like you did with no context at all. It makes it hard to understand what you’re trying to say.

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by mikesd1981 on Feb 7, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I know, and I apologize for it

Just threw in the college words for kicks.

Nope, I am lying—I was thinking of writing Spartan instead of Laconic, then decided to sound sophisticated by using Laconic, and then couldn’t resist mocking myself for it in public.

by Spirals galore on Feb 7, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sadbut true, Robert Gallery`s carrer will come to an end in 010. He just had lower back surgery and let me tell you, the typeof back surgery he had coupled with the position he plays spells disaster for him. IMO

by Wrok on Feb 7, 2010 9:23 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Pains me to say it too being a Raider Fan for 38 years

by Wrok on Feb 7, 2010 9:24 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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