The Michael Bush Conundrum
Many Oakland Raiders fans believe that, going forward, Michael Bush should be getting the majority of the carries out of the backfield. Leading the team with just 589 yards rushing but doing so with a 4.8 yards per carry average, it seems like Bush is an easy candidate for the starting gig. With that said, what's the problem? Hit the jump to see what the conundrum is all about.
According to a recent report from Jerry McDonald of the Bay Area News Group, running back Michael Bush has been taking himself out of the game:
Privately, Bush’s propensity to remove himself when he’s on a roll, halting momentum, rubs the coaching staff the wrong way.
That definitely surprised me. I know a lot of us have been angry at head coach Tom Cable for pulling Bush; however, it doesn't seem like that's the case here.
Michael Bush is our most effective running back between the tackles. Justin Fargas is entering the final year of his contract and missed the last two games of the regular season with injury. Darren McFadden, well, quite simply isn't suited to run between the tackles although he can definitely help us in other areas in which we have discussed.
It seems that Bush cannot handle being the feature back and McFadden can't either, so to me there is a natural fit there between two young and talented running backs. The dilemma surrounding Michael Bush can be solved with the solutions already here.
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Interesting if true
If Bush is pulling himself out of games that would really be disappointing. However I dont rely on media speculation, I find they are close 50% of the time on these types of ponderances but not totally on target.
I say let Fargas go he is injury prone and taking up WAY TOO MUCH salary space.
Make Bush run 20-25+ times a game and if he doesnt want the ball get another hungry player in there to push him.
Our running back by committee crap has really got to stop. I liked Napolean Kaufmann and Charlie Garner when they were here. It just seems like we get a pretty good starting full time RB and then add one or 2 or 3 more guys and then make it like a committee of guys.
Most RBs need to get the ball and average of 20+ touches a game to get the feel and legs to make a difference. The Raiders need to do this and regrading McFadden we all know what should be done with him I just dont think they will do it but I will make it my 40th birthday wish this year to come true. Maybe Al will give me that.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 25, 2010 9:52 AM PST reply actions
I agree that thoroughbred RBs get better in proportion to number of carries. I disagree with your take on DMF, who
hasn’t been given either enough carries or used in such a way to exploit his amazing open-field abilities. Let’s see what Jackson does with the personnel, strategy and play calling. I’m hoping for a break-out year – McFadden has more potential that we haven’t seen than anyone on this team.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 25, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
The only break-out we will/should see is in Recieving Yards which is good, he'll fail at running out of the backfield with ball, imo.
He can/will be a threat regardless, we gotta utilize him correctly. If we can’t, another team will…
The RaiderLaker
How does Jerry McDonald know that Bush is taking himself out?
Depending on the credibility of McDonald’s source (I assume he has one), Bush may need to go.
+1
The source crap kills me. If it is true I am in the get his ass outta town camp. I think McFadden tho needs to be used much like Reggies Bush I dont say get rid of him just use him for what he can do.
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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 25, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
Do you go to the games or watch them on TV?
Since I live in the midwest, usually all I get a chance to do is watch them on TV. Bush DOES put his hand up to come out of games quite a bit. Not saying that any of this is true but it certainly doesn’t shock me since I noticed it. Reminded me of Lamont Jordan.
I've also seen
Him put his hand up to wave off substitution. i don’t think it’s a conditioning issue, I think it’s a head butting issue between he and Cable. The need to set their ego’s aside and do what is best for the team. Bush has the capacity to be a great tailback, but he needs to be given the oppotunity more consistantly by the staff.
hopefully Jackson can figure out how to use the trio properly.
by B.A.Armstrong on Feb 25, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
Don't remember seeing him do that once.
That doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. If it did, maybe they expected him to want to come out. Have to have a play and player ready. I do think he has tremendous upside but he was heavy last year. His conditioning was questioned this season so again, this stuff didn’t surprise me.
I was at a game with seats so good Randy Moss had to listen to all the nonsense we had to spew at him
whether he liked it or not. Got some great seats right down on the field, and up close, Bush is like a dude stacked on a dude. Literally looked like most of the guys like wideouts and dbs, and the taller qbs and tes were half his girth looking at their profiles from like the third row.
I can’t imagine having to tackle that guy 20 times. Author has a great point. McD and Fargas in the first half on the perimeter and sparingly off tackle and between; finished off with a heavy dose of 14-20 carries by Bush in the second.
Get your newly implemented line of Sumo wrestlers to sell the play actions effectively once that unstoppable run has been established, and throw in a couple of balls downfield for the occasional touchdown, and you might just win some football games.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I agree.
And maybe if Bush had some blocking in front of him instead of having to break through his own line, he wouldn’t have to expend as much energy and therefore take himself out.
I’m actually excited about the coming year. If we can pick up the OL, DL and MLB help we need (maybe a corner and I wouldn’t mind a veteran WR for the youngsters to learn from), we could be a pretty decent team…one that is pointed toward the future instead of one that is mired in a mediocrity.
Bush was interviewed yesterday
and said that Cable is “a great motivator.”
by Spirals galore on Feb 25, 2010 10:15 AM PST reply actions
Yeah, yeah - a tame and lame interview. MB likes to bowl and is glad he doesn't have to adjust to a new coaching staff
Michael Bush: It feels good knowing that we the players don’t have to get use to another coach, different system and another personality so bringing coach cable back is a positive for us. He’s a great motivator.
… yeah, let’s just get along and go to work and get paid and go bowling and plant tulips – maybe some frisbee in the park where we planted the ecology tree.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 25, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
Hahaha
This is a depresingly funny point that is probably all to true. I would have much rather Bush came out and said something like, “I am glad Cable is back, but if he pulls me out in the middle of a drive one more time I am going to donkey punch him!” Then run up to the nearest car and break the driver’s window by head butting it while screaming, “a place at the table!” The Program style.
Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast.
Winded?
If this guy cant stay in because he is winded after 10-12 carries then he is a useless hanger-on. Get rid of him if he cant come into training camp to carry the weight required of a full time RB.
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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 25, 2010 11:08 AM PST reply actions
As a Louisville Cardinal fan
and a huge Michael Bush homer, let me assure that he is certainly capable of being a feature back. His junior year in college he carried the ball 205 times for a whopping 1,143 yards, scoring twenty three rushing TD’s.
In high school he was a QB and in for every offensive play, he also played DB, LB, DE, safety, and WR in high school. I definitely don’t think there is anything wrong with the guy’s motor.
He may simply be unhappy with his contract situation (and considering he was going to be a top ten pick had he not broken his leg his senior year, he has a legit reason to be disappointed with 4th round money.)
If you guys don’t want him, I’ll trade you Derrick Ward and a 5th round draft pick any day of the week!
"Get your facts first, then you can distort them how you please." - Mark Twain
News Flash
You he is in the NFL now right? I even got to play 5 different positions in high school so dont sell me that backwater crap. You cant compare his high school conditioning to how he is in the NFL. Ok you can but it is a farsical discussion.
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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 25, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
Spelling and grammar
I meant to say “You KNOW he is in the NFL now right?”
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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 25, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
Any running back would be winded after 10-12 straight carries.
Why do you think it is becoming so popular to have a two back system? We don’t want him to get hurt.
Most “every down” backs get the ball handed to them like five or six times during a good drive. So it’s no surprise to me that a guy would want a breather after five straight running plays where he gained forty or so yards.
Bush is a great back. We need to get him a better compliment player, like I’m thinking along the lines of Brian Westbrook, or L.T.
by B.A.Armstrong on Feb 25, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
No really?
I waas refering to the entire game. Yes I know they do more than stand there on every down. But there are plenty of other backs in the league that play that many downs and I have yet to see the Raiders run 10 plays in a row with a running call.
Yeah ok and it so likely that we will pick up those 2 guys or one of them and like they would share the back field with Bush. Give yer head a real shake man and be realistic that wont workout. Getting one of them and trading Bush maybe but once again it doesnt address the running back by committee formula that doesnt get consistancy going.
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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 25, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
The comment from Jerry McDonald stems from one game
and it was a game in which the Raiders had absolutely nothing going on offense except for Bush, and the staff decided to run him five straight times and then he took himself out of the game.
That is rediculous. Bush should be the guy, but ya, Tom Cable got all up in a hissy fit about that, and made it a big deal.
If Hue Jackson has a half a brain in his head then he will realize that Bush is the closest thing the Raiders have to Ray Rice, and he will get the Lion’s share of the carries.
I believe this will be Fargas’ last year in Silver and Black if he doesn’t get traded first. Not only did he miss the last two games, but he also missed the first four games as well.
Not very durable.
Bush is the man, and McFadden should be used like Reggie Bush, ie. Punt returns, kickoffs, breathers for Bush, and slot receiver. As Charles Davis of NFL network said, ’With Reggie Bush, less is more." And McFadden should be used like that too.
Thank you for that. Stuff out of context causes a lot of shit. Jerry needs to be beaten with an open hand - Sicilian style
I apologize to MB for reacting to yellow-journalism … shame on me for failing to miss Cable’s involvement in this too. Punishing the team to punish Bush!? Forget the Sicilian way and close the fist on this noisome rotted pumpkin head.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 25, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
McFaddens penchant for falling down and fumbling
would keep me from wanting him to return punts or kickoffs. Although getting him the ball on offense in more diverse situations would be huge as long as it’s done right.
No more raining on Bruins Nation's rainy parade, they took their ball and went home.
I said that twice before
I have said on atleast 2 ocassions that McFadden should be used like Bush in an all out way SE, RB, PR and KR. I think everyone here knows it too.
Good dig on the quote tho I hate it when repeorters take things out of context and twist for sensationalization.
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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 25, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
Make the trio a duo
I’d like to see Bush get 65% of the runs with McFadden getting the rest as I agree with what others have said about a running back having to get a certain amount of touches to be effective.
I know Fargas has his fans but he just isn’t as good and giving him the ball takes away from the younger,better talent.
That ratio sounds about right
I’d like to see more of the power running game become more consistant in our offensive philosophy. I don’t know that Bush & McFadden are as good as Kaufman & Wheatley, but one key difference is the coaching those players had. Gruden was big on establishing the run game and sticking to it (even at a fault at times when he would often play too conservative). Cable seems to want to establish a passing game first and hope that the running game will take care of itself.
We also need more strength in the trenches, and this year that has to be the rallying cry on both sides of the ball IMO.
No more raining on Bruins Nation's rainy parade, they took their ball and went home.
Convert Fargas into an every down Fullback - both blocking and rushing, Give Bush 20-24 carries/game and move
McFadden to a Flanker position when Bush is in – otherwise DMF and Fargas in backfield. Fargas will solve our FB needs and he’ll be a triple threat (rushing, blocking, receiving) to add to Hue’s arsenal.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 25, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
+1
But I am a little concerned over Fargas’s durability and injury list. He tends to break a little easy and to ask him to stop some LBs, DEs and assist opening holes against the hogs may tear him up too much.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 25, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
He'd be lighter than most FBs but makes up for it. As for durability, taking hits is more dangerous than giving them
So as a blocker he would be on the attack (in his mind certainly).
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 25, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
Ok
but not sure if you can sell him on it although I think he is not a primadona.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 25, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
Well, this will be his 8th year (good run for a RB) and he's making $3.5 million and he wants to be on the
winning team – he will contribute this way (especially when people are murmuring words like ‘trade’ and ‘Justin’ in the same sentence.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 25, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
I get the impression that he is a team player. I am sorry but the coming year will tell about his durability I think he is just a little fragile and needs to be heavier to take the beating and I dont think he can last the year I do hope I am wrong.
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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 25, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
He'll chop the legs off DEs and 3-4 OLBs coming around our OTs - I'd love to see him in this capacity
like a rottweiler guarding his master.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 25, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
He is so violent: he'd be a crazy fullback if he was a little more stout
and a little bigger. He’d still excel as a lead blocker from the I. He was the best picker of blitzes as in pass protection of the three, by far, and better than some of our own full backs in that capacity as well.
It’s why he gets hurt as a runner, because he runs with such a violent style. He generally takes out a defender in every game, at least to get looked at, if not for a game or more. Check it out. He’s a bulldog for sure, or Rottweiler as Blanda called him. a Spanish Mastiff?
He’s gnarly; and he could actually get some attention if being shopped for some intriguing guys, while I’d love to keep this trio we have.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
That's not a bad idea
I do like his blocking ability when picking up blitzes. I would be concerned about his frame since he is built like a speed back, but his game is between the tackles. If he could bulk up some (which might fit his game more at this point anyways) and show some more durabillity this might work.
No more raining on Bruins Nation's rainy parade, they took their ball and went home.
Michael "The Truck" Bush
doesn’t make much sense. But I like It!
Bush Isnt The Problem!
We need some serious offensive line overhauling! Mike picked up what….4.8 yrds a carry without an O-line! 2 different FBs, and sometimes no FB! No QB! No WR! LOL….didnt think about those issues. I suggest, trade Fargas for whatever. I know he’s a die-hard Raiders fan, but hopefully that’ll help it hurt less. Bush should be #1, with McFadden and maybe some F/A splitting pinetime. My hopes would be to get LT, but he probably hates us. If we draft, draft that kid from Stanford, he plays HB/FB and is a decent pass blocker. Bush and McFad should be used like Chris Johnson and Lendale White, with Bush getting the load. Mcfad the change up guy or the mismatch guy. One more thing, Im glad Cable decided to pass more last year! It broke us out of what the rest of the normal world would have done with 3 backs. He made us a little less predictable. and Iiked how he tends to go for it on 4th down.
Bush
This doesnt explain the problem of him not even gettin 1 Carry in a game. If he can only take 10-12 carries a game, Then give him 15 carries! Cable kept him out of numerous games! And that is ridiculous. Jackson will be the strong point in this case.. He should know what to do with Bush and Darren
If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?
- Vince Lombardi
Cable
In his defense, he may have been sending a message to Bush for pulling himself out of games. Also, he benched Bush at least once for fumbling.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 25, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
But how many times
Did Bush pull himself out? 1? Maybe 2 games? Not alot of RB’s can take 10+ Straight carries. If Cable was punishing him for pulling himself out, Then he took way to far.. Bush averaged almost 5 Yds a carry. And each time he got the ball more than 13 times, He went for over 110 Yds
If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?
- Vince Lombardi
Bush
I don’t think he pulled himself out of just one or two games. I don’t think the coaching staff would have a problem would that and the report says that the coaching staff is being rubbed the wrong way.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 25, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
You're right.
I never thought I should keep track of how many times Bush’s hand went up. Guess I should have. Bottomed line, he was not conditioned properly; he asked to be pulled out and refused to play fullback when the team desperately needed him to. I don’t blame the coaches for getting a tad ticked. They tried like hell this year to emphasize a team mentality. Hard to do that when a guy does stuff like this.
I like coaches who build players up
after a guy fumbles put him back out there and show you have faith in him.
Bush fumble about once every sixty something carries and that fumble came in the Jets game after MB ran about 30 yds.
I don’t consider that much of defense for Cable – why even try?
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 25, 2010 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
I think
He had only 2 carries in the whole season
If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?
- Vince Lombardi
Defense
I don’t consider that much of defense for Cable – why even try?
You can call it a defense, but I call it a reason. Some coaches bench players — or at least running backs — after a fumble.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 25, 2010 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
Your own words, not mine
“Cable…In his defense, he may have been sending a message to Bush for pulling himself out of games. Also, he benched Bush at least once for fumbling.”
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 25, 2010 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
Cable is a fool. He would have pulled Robbins just as Calahan did. God knows his priorities better than I do.
We are doomed with this dung-stuffed carcass as HC
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 25, 2010 7:57 PM PST up reply actions
Ha
We are doomed with this dung-stuffed carcass as HC
Al isn’t technically the head coach!
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by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 25, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
Right
He had a reason to bench Bush, so I’m not really defending him because it’s not like he did something terrible that I had to defend him.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 25, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
mcfadden be like reggie bush?
what a dumb thing to say, mcfadden need to be like barry sanders, and micheal bush i hope is giving it his all, he needs the every down back, and mcfadden needs to stay off injured list, cause he will not make it if he gets hurt again
Um
Just think about what you said.
what a dumb thing to say, mcfadden need to be like barry sanders, […]
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by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 25, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
If Mc Fadden
was anything like Barry Sanders. We could use him like Sanders. Ive seen no evidence to support that.
Bush needs to be the man and act like a man. Mc Fadden has to be givin the ball in space, hopefully with some blocking, and let him run.
Even if this article is true
It doesn’t justify why Cable was wasting his time having Fargas get 20-25 carries of 3 yards & a cloud of dust meanwhile Bush doesn’t even get 1 carry. Then they say DNP (Coach’s decision). I’m tired of this politics crap. If you know he’s your best back then use him as much as you can until he asks to be pulled. Also Dmac would be best used not only in the slot but also running in spread wide formations as a single back. This allows him to be going 1 on 1 with the MLB usually in space. Much like his ex-teammate Felix with the Cowgirls.
It all comes down to heart!!! Michael Bush would have been a first round draft
pick if he didn’t hurt his knee. He is a great player, and it is disappointing to hear he is taking himself out of games. However, without speaking to Mike I won’t hold it against him, yet..lol Next season he will carry more and we will see if he is ready to work for his next contract. This guy is a beast and he needs more carries in my opinion…
by Rodney Sacramento on Feb 25, 2010 7:04 PM PST reply actions
Agreed
This guy is a beast and he needs more carries in my opinion…
No one can disagree with that.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 25, 2010 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
no one can. but it is easy to just say he needs more carries
the fact is we had few opportunities and rarely converted third downs, so you gotta look at shit like that too.
We all want him to get more, but I can think of times where an effort was made, and the game plan, once again, went to shit.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
The Giants
Regularly rotate their three backs. You seldom see the same guy carry twice in a row. But you don’t just don’t see that with the Raiders. Cable runs the same guy over and over again until he thinks he’s not doing it anymore, then switches guys and starts all over. Absolutely no concept of keeping running backs fresh.
Honestly, is this thread really about Bush, or is it about a Head Coach with hardly any NFL experience and just plain bad experience in college, who took it upon himself to be OC as well? More importantly, is this guy really the future of the Raiders?
A re-Print from a story yesterday, That made this false claim
Michael Bush pulled himself because after sitting on the bench forever because Cable lets his emotions get the better of him.. He put Bush in COLD, and ran 5/6 straight running plays. Bush Gained great yardage on them all and needed a breather.. Bush’s style dictates that.. This man pounds Olines into the ground and drags linebackers.. Working out and running on a treadmill in not the same as in game shape. You get that from playing plain and simple. Trying to use 3 Running Backs is STUPID.. Fargas should get clean up duty at the end of the Game of if someone is hurt.
This is Michael Bush http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhEFxYxTXrk
Thanks for the college memories
Doesn’t mean a whole lot in the pros. And all this love for a guy that refused to be a team player and play some fullback. Yes, let’s all get in the selfish guy’s corner.
Absolute lies and falsehoods
I watched every college game this guy played and this is absolutely not true. His entire college career he was a dominant running back. He didnt play in the ACC but he sure could have. When given his chance he always made the most of it. Dragging guys down field break away runs for TDs.2-3 TDs in alot of games. He is fresh because he was out of football for a while with the broken leg. I think this is Al Davis trying to get Mc Fadden playing time. I like fargas but he doesnt have the body to play the way he does.Not very long any way. This is Bushs year either here or somewhere else. I hope he stays because he punishes the opposition no one wants him running straight at them and laying down that brutal stiffarm or spin move when you least expect it for a TD.
ok maybe so ....
I would need to see the exact situation before I am quick to judge. Plenty of players ask for time out its a tough game and Bush runs very hard. The yards per carry tell the story. Now I watch every game on TV and I saw nothing too unusual about the way Bush was acting. Cables play calling and personnel usage on the other hand that was unusual to say the least. Maybe it was Al doing all this, something wasnt right.
Full back!!!!!
Hey rusty they better get a F ing Full back and let the horses run.
I know where you're coming from
and you’re right but the roster was as the roster was last year. The team had basically no fullback and they needed him to be it and he said no. If you’re the boss, whether that is Cable or Al, what impression does that leave with you? And, how does that affect the rest of the team if they cater to him?
How retarded is it?
Oh ya lets make the guy a full back when his career was almost history because of a brutal leg breaking. I saw his leg get broken it was horrible its a wonder he wants to play at all after that one. So lets line him up and send him into the big boys over and over until hes done for. Anyway a good coach and owner dont let these things happen, thats the bottom line. They drafted a running back with a broken leg and the should act as such.
zone/cut blocking
We werent running a power running blocking scheme anyway so why were all of our fullbacks getting taken out? That the question that needs to be asked. Zone blocking lessens the need for a fullback except blitz pickups or swing passes where he would do pretty well. I think our Oline stinks that much and they need to fix that pronto. Bush obviously knows that too. They were in essence making him another O lineman not a fullback, I would say your crazy too.
My Take
I think give the ball to Bush if healthy 20 times a game on average. If we can get a half decent OLine going this year that stays healthy then it should work with Bush as “Da Man” and use the rest of the crew as fill in.
The guys production is proven. If Cable is being spiteful and taking him out over a personality conflict then Cable should bench the entire OLine and start from scratch.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 26, 2010 10:02 AM PST reply actions
We should get Sproles
Keep Bush, Mcfadden and Fargas and dump the other back ups. Bush touches 20 + times a game and Mcfadden and Sproles get 5 or so each ,but are used primarily as receivers. Sproles also adds punch to our anemic return game . Who would you rather have as a receiving target, Sproles or dubious heyseed by the bey? Just a thought, but I think it would be a great move as we play the chokers twice a year and he would be motivated for sure!
Sorry
We should get Sproles
That’s not going to happen and it shouldn’t. The fit won’t match and the cost won’t make sense.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 27, 2010 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
Get rid of Bush and McFadden for picks, keep Fargas till the end of his contract,
and pick up Dixon and Blount in the draft.
Then go with a large dedicated blocking fullback.
I love Fargas
he’s a trooper and he runs hard and he’s a Raider to the core. However, Bush is the better RB of the 2. Why would want to get rid of him? Now McFadden I agree with. I didn’t want him to begin with, and he hasn’t proven anything on field. And yes he’s not being used correctly, but even when he is, he trips easily and drops the ball too much. Also, he doesn’t seem to be able to see the holes the o-line opens for him (when they do manage) right next to him. I’d rather put him at WR. Then he has the field to run and doesn’t have to worry about running through the line.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
I like Bush, but I don't like the fact that he
resisted the FB position so much when we really coulda used a lead block for McFaddy, or a better dump option for Russell, or a blocker for the QB. We might be able to get a 3rd round pick from Tampa and some change for him after he helped end Gruden’s career there.
Anthony Dixon is bigger, doesn’t mind doing any of those things, and seems to come back from injury quite well. Stamina, size and willingness to adapt to team needs is crucial.
He and blount would make a wicked power-back punch with their size, especially with a large blocking FB like Tonga from BYU, or Conner from Kentucky (both might be available in FA).
I’d keep Gary Russell around when Fargas gets injured -Russell did have the most yards last year of any RB in preseason, much like Fargas used to do. He’s lighter, gives us a different kind of look out of the backfield, and he doesn’t mind being used in any way we need.
Why shouldn't the Sproles deal happen Rated - R????/?
Give me some facts my man. Why not? Questions of HEART? Questions of MONEY? We are paying a QB that NOBODY else in the NFL would pay a plugged nickel for millions of dollars for nothing. Why not shake this Lousy Team up and give it a dose of reality? I’ve been a member of “Raider Nation” before it was called that (43 years -1967). I’m Pissed and frustrated at the lack of production-SOMETHING has to be done! If Bush or Mcfadden can’t cut it ,get or try someone that can. If YOU don’t or won’t do your job . how long would you have it? You would be terminated. Why should it be any different Bro? Thinks have to change,and soon.
Give DMC
another year before you get another player alot like him
If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?
- Vince Lombardi
If Jackson can use him right,
he stays healthy, doesn’t fall down at the first gust of wind, and can hold onto the ball, and wait for the holes to open (and find them) to run through, then maybe he’s worth keeping around. However, I only see the first of my if’s coming true. The rest is up to McFadden, and he didn’t seem to work on those issues throughout the season.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
Sproles
He’s simply unnecessary. No, I don’t question his heart. I like him as a player. I don’t want to add a fourth running back to the mix when we should be able to make things work with Bush and McFadden.
Lastly, he’ll cost too much. As you’ve noted, we’re already paying Russell too much. We don’t need to take on a fourth running back for a large amount.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 28, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
Bush Problem
I hhave been a Raiders fan since I was a little boy. I have stayed with them through good and bad. With that said. Run the bum until his legs fall off and then run Mcfadden until his falls off. Then run Jamarcus until his legs fall off. There thats how you do it!

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