Raiders need OT in the Mold of Bob "the Sledgehammer" Brown
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 12, 2010 1:00 PM PST
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Taking an OT in the 1st round is nothing new for Oakland - it's happened 9-times before and this year the glaring need for an OT upgrade cries up to heaven. This site's most recent draft polls confirm (66% in favor) that an OT is our single most necessary positional upgrade (with DT at 2nd place - 34%).
We must carefully evaluate OTs, and players who may convert from G or C to OT, to make a wise choice. Let's begin by asking ourselves, "what is the ideal OT prototype?"; "What essential qualities does an OT need?"
Oakland had two of the best OTs of all time - both are in the HOF: LOT Art Shell (8 Pro-Bowls / 2 on First Team) and ROT Bob Brown (6 Pro-Bowls / 5 on First Team). I believe the better of the two is Bob Brown based on film, number of 1st Team Pro-Bowls, and statements by men in the HOF who certainly would know:
John Madden: "Bob Brown, I thought, changed our offensive line. He was such a dominating player, and he was a guy I really felt taught our guys that it was okay for an offensive lineman to have a defensive lineman's mentality. He was the most aggressive offensive lineman that I think I've ever seen. The most aggressive offensive lineman that ever played."
Art Shell: "I learned a whole lot from him. A lot of little things, like how to formulate a plan to attack a defensive end - going into a game trying to have at least three ways to take this guy on. And he was as quick as anybody I've ever seen. He could come out of his stance on a pass set, leap off the ground like a frog, backwards, as quick as a hiccup, and then he would lash out at the defensive end. He was unbelievable."
If we take Bob Brown for our OL model (he played G in college and converted to T in the NFL - being the highest Guard selected in NFL draft ) and pick accordingly, we should be able to get this one right. Read on...
Brown was fierce. When he reported to Oakland's training camp as a FA everyone watched as he came onto the field - his first day of practice. Brown jogged past the others without saying a word and paused in front of the goal post, squared off, then suddenly delivered a forearm shiver with such explosiveness and focus that the goal post crashed to the ground. Mr. Brown's actions on the field remain some of the most eloquent statements ever made in football.
Bob Brown believed that Offensive Linemen should be the aggressors - the ones on attack, "Offensive".
DE Hall of Famer, Karl Eller (6 Time Pro-Bowler / 5 on First Team): "Bob Brown was probably my most feared competitor. He had a demeanor that was different from most offensive linemen. He would strike out at you. His intent was to do bodily harm. He was not satisfied with just doing his job. He wanted to inflict pain."
One last quote, this one from Bob Brown himself when asked to describe his own playing style: "I was very attack oriented. I didn't want to be a shock absorber. I wanted to be the guy who was delivering the shock. I was extremely aggressive for an offensive player. I used to liken it to being a 16-pound sledgehammer."
Okay, now that we have the perfect OT paradigm firmly in our minds, our mission is to evaluate the prospect pool and find the one who most closely resembles Bob "the Sledgehammer" Brown in his physicality and warrior spirit.
Footnote: If Al Davis reads this, please offer Mr. Brown, who lives in Oakland, a coaching position with the Raiders. I believe he could work wonders with, at the very least, our Offensive Line. Thank you.
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Wow - I am so happy you did this post!
I personally know Mr. Brown and his wife – awesome, awesome people! Role models, both of them.
This is how his son describes him:
And, for all of his athletic and football skills, that isn’t even what impresses me most. What impresses me most about the “Boomer” is his heart, his mental toughness, his tenacity, his supreme self confidence, and a work ethic second to none. Because, you see the “Boomer” knew a few things. He knew that the will must be stronger than the body. He knew that confidence is the product of preparation. He knew there could be no greatness without sacrifice, and that there could be no victory without pain. So, pain while if not his friend, was certainly his constant companion, and he turned that to his advantage. He used it as a way to test the limits of his endurance, to constantly push his body beyond his limits. ’I’m hurt but I going to run another wind sprint. I’m hurt but put another weight on the bar because I’m going to put it up. I’m hurt but I’m going to put my hand in the dirt and I’m going to take that snap.’
The bottom line is this – in the attrition that is line play in the NFL, he was determined to be the last man standing. He went at his opponents like his life depended on it and knowing him as I do, maybe it did. But, he was determined to be the last man standing, and for 10 years he was. And, in a game – a tough game with tough men, none can any tougher than Bob “Boomer” Brown.
Sound like quite an inspirational person to have met
We’d be lucky to get a guy with half the heart.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
absolutely. I'm referring to the drafts this year!
Grad has enough heart for the entire offense. Hell, even for the defense.
In fact, it’s why he’s the only choice for us at qb this year; no other qb we’ve even had on the depth chart since Gannon has had that.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
yes, I wonder
how many of them do have the intangibles. Intangibles are invaluable and difficult to pin down. Plus, it takes time to develop them – unless the draftee has encountered some adversity and learned how to overcome it…
by Spirals galore on Mar 12, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
If I've learned anything about being in a position to develop people, build a team, and coach them to success
it’s in the intangible measure of how one lifts the performance of their teammates, which is in fact, quite tangible really.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I don't know if they make em like Bob Brown anymore
You can’t really teach aggression. plus I would have to guess most of the moves he used back then are illegal in the current pussified NFL., its a nice thought though.
I still think Al will go for Bruce Campbell in the first and hopefully Vlad Ducasse in the 2nd that’s one tackle and one guard. which we need. Almost anyone we draft this year is going to need some time to adjust to the speed and moves of the NFL. Of the O-linemen maybe only Okung is NFL ready.
but you can see some of his intangibles in Grad
Having said that, I agree – Bob Brown was a Titan in and Age of Titans. A great deal of their determination came from having to deal with adversity. Nowadays most players are soft, spoiled and overpaid.
And yet – look at Gradkowski: a perfect example of determination and mental toughness. What a great yet humble leader!
by Spirals galore on Mar 12, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
What I want in a OT
I want him to be huge, Jonothan Odgen size. Strong as an Oxe..Literally. He should be able to lift a small car. He needs to have quick feet and a crazy work ethic!
Its not asking much haha
In Bruce We Trust
Maybe they'll add small-car lifting to the Combine drills next year...
…you know if we petition enough. It would make the combine interesting.
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I'm sure there are dozens of guys that meet your criteria. Problem is they can't play football
If you have a chance to read the post again, consider the mind of the man – that’s where greatness resides – not in lifting large weights and running swiftly. Brown was a warrior in the technological age – if he were born 2500 years ago he would have fit in with Spartan culture; and I assure you, his motivation wasn’t diamonds, gucci shoes and the other trash that motivates too many in this pool.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 12, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
Of course they would have to be able to play football!
I thought asking for great technique and film study habbits wouldve been asking too much
In Bruce We Trust
I think he meant the intangibles
Btw, here is a 2007 article about JR. I was surprised Gruden was so positive about him.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/draft/2007-04-26-russell-cover_N.htm
According to this article, JR was prepped how to present himself during interviews. I am sure such prepping is a standard practice nowadays, and although there are ways to pierce through the bs, not many coaches care or know how to do it. As a result, the draft is often a crapshot (sorry and alas).
by Spirals galore on Mar 12, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
intangibles
Someone else should do a post on those. I am really fuzzy on the terms they use (like, what on earth is “character” and how is it different from work ethics?).
Here is some general stuff on intangibles vs. measurables:
http://www.dailyillini.com/blogs/di-sports-wrap-up/2010/03/03/intangibles-not-numbers-should-matter-most-to-nfl-squads
Come Sunday, one-tenth of a second differential in a 40 time isn’t going to be what makes the difference. It’s going to be whether a quarterback can analyze a defense or whether a linebacker knows where his assignment is. It’s whether the players are focused and ready to compete instead of coasting through the game or the season, only interested in cashing their paycheck. It’s whether a player has the ability and the courage to become a leader and make himself and his teammates better.
That’s why normal job interviews don’t shake out quite like sports combines. In the real world, employers talk to their candidates, find out what their goals and dreams are, and try to see if they are passionate about their field of study and are motivated to do well.
This is what sports teams should focus on more. Yes, I know they do interview players a little bit, and they have things like the Wonderlic Test to measure intelligence, but at the end of the day, the main focus of the combine is the numbers.
by Spirals galore on Mar 12, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
Character Vs. Work Ethic
My guess is, A players character is how they react with others on and off the field. If their staying out of trouble or if they have a big mouth in front of the media. BUt someones work ethic is how hard they work to better themselves as a player. If they make strides or not to grasp their respected posistion
In Bruce We Trust
I guess the example below relates to interaction with others then
Oh, character concerns.
Speaking of which, they are also impacting Rutgers left tackle Anthony Davis tremendously. He’s got a ton of talent, top ten talent, but his character concerns have him currently slotted to go late in the first round. At Rutgers Pro Day, Davis refused to work out, and in fact didn’t even intend to show up. However, after he was cajoled into showing up, he refused to even weigh in.
by Spirals galore on Mar 12, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
The Wiz, Steve Wizniewski (sp) Had all of those characteristics, mentally
I think that is why he was able to get so much out of his body.
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Mar 12, 2010 6:19 PM PST reply actions
Brown was drafted #2 overall by the Eagles:
Maybe Patrick Okung is a Brown, but I am betting that with the #8 pick we may get an OT with 75% of what he possessed.
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Mar 12, 2010 6:22 PM PST reply actions
Iupati looks like a warrior - an offensive lineman who attacks - I'd like him for our line ... whether convertable or not
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 12, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
True, but he must learn to attack and not grab, for he'll be constantly called for battles he's winning, if he doesn't learn to punch
And it’s uncertain if he’ll have the adequate kickstep, speed to handle the NFL defensive ends, and the ability to maintain angles and his leverage as a tackle, especially a qb’s blindside. But I say take him and upgrade guard, and possibly even center.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
My guess is he wrestled in Jr.H & H.S. the man would really benefit taking boxing or a non-Korean martial art
preferably Shito or Shorin-ryu which emphasize tagumi (in-close) explosive yet fluid techniques – both linear and circular.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 12, 2010 9:59 PM PST up reply actions
absolutely
they all hold. it’s all about staying within that steering wheel spot above the numbers, and not letting go. The really good ones maintain the leverage battle by getting inside the guy’s space, and staying there.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Tagumi does have brief holds off of blocks but I'm suggesting breaking Iupati's habit of holding by teaching
him better more effective options. One can control another with shots to the chest (stopping and driving back) and to the shoulders (turning).
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 12, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
The would no doubt benefit not only in hand punching techniques, but in footwork, and in maintaining a low center
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Footwork too, definitely. Sid Campbell had several Raiders training in his dojo - I've seen the pictures
of them from his his ‘Old Maple Dojo’ in Oakland and heard tales about RT John Vella, OLB Phil Villapiano and DE John Matuszak who all studied with Sid (who studied under (actually lived with Grand Master Nagasato in Okinawa – 4 years). Campbell taught these Raiders in the ’70’s and early 80’s fighting techniques and worked on their footwork and timing – all of them were able to immediately transfer them to football. I’m almost certain that George Atkinson also used to study Shorin-rye w/ Hanshi Campbell.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 12, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
i really like lupati.
he has a meanstreak and wil get nasty on the line. i think this guy started playing football like his junior year in h.s. so hes a pretty fast learner and may very well learn what he is lacking.
by rodeosnake12 on Mar 12, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
he will be at somewhat of a disadvantage with refs on this team, however, but I like him a lot, myself
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
what about brandon carter?
seen him much?
by rodeosnake12 on Mar 12, 2010 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
The penalty magnet outta Texas, with the tats on his scalp?
Some would say he sounds like a Raider…
I say, an emphatic, No!
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
i dont mind penalties as long as they
do their job and hurt the opposing guy. if your not cheating on the line your gonna lose the battle but the trick is to not get caught! what about incognito hes a penalty guy, still young and a nasty muther on the line. i want guys on our line that dont even like their own mothers! lol
by rodeosnake12 on Mar 12, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
I'll have to check him out a little more, then.
That’s what I like from lineman, too. They shouldn’t be waiting for the d lineman to come at them; they should be fired up and ready to pancake ’em.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
yea look him up.
im not familiar with him but know hes a mid round pick so…. but for someone to dress up and all that must have some kind of sack!
by rodeosnake12 on Mar 12, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
At number 8 we will get Andrew Davis, or Treat Williams, Bulaga is rated high but he
makes me nervous with his short arms… Okung, Davis, and Williams are all Top 10 picks and one will be available..Campbell is really a second round pick. What would be great is to get Davis, and Campbell, wishful thinking but our line would be solid for years to come…I actually rate Davis over Okung because he is 330 and fit, not fat, fast feet, long arms and a nasty Raider type disposition.. One more thing on Bulaga, hopefully someone else will take him off the board before the eighth pick that all but assures us of drafting Davis or Williams…
by Rodney Sacramento on Mar 12, 2010 7:36 PM PST reply actions
Bring him on! Not sure I see any of this year's class possessing that nasty streak we covet in lineman
I was thinking along the lines of Wisneiwski, myself. I must admit, I’ve been enamored by how lean today’s 320 plus pounders are, and how quickly they can run and move.
The mean streak has always been more important than anything, especially when we’re talking about Raiders, with such a great history of great lineman like Brown.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
HOF Deacon Jones said that Bob Brown was "cold blooded"
Off the field, he’s one of the gentlest men you’ll ever meet.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 12, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
Intangibles in this year's draft prospects
I totally agree with some of the discussion that teams must not only look at the combine numbers but approach drafting with a “job interview” mindset. Get to know the players, their motivations, personalities on and off the field. Teams should be processing this information as part of their full time scouting process.
Here’s what I see for 4 OT prospects this year, intangibles-wise.
Campbell – Prepping for the combine says something. After a bruising college football season, it says something that he’s in that great shape by late February. However, the problem with him is that he’s unpolished in technique. The Raiders are not a great teaching team. So yes, his preparation for the combine shows some intelligence and motivation, but are the Raiders the team for him?
Davis – Reportedly has poor work ethic and immature attitude as weaknesses. Did poorly at combine interviews and flaked on Pro Day. The question is “why?” I don’t want to write his intangibles off, because, he may be that rebellious, surly football player who by playing for the Raiders and mauling opponents on the field, ultimately finds inner peace. But, again, the scouting department needs to evaluate that stuff.
Bulaga – A “killer instinct” and good work ethic are listed as strengths. Also very polished and reportedly a week 1 starter. Personality and intangibles not a problem here.
Williams – Reportedly lacks a “nasty demeanor,” has lapses in concentration (no more false starts please!) and is not very physical in the run game. Seems like a good pass protector. Personality and intangibles-wise, not sure he is a good fit.
ShadowShreder, thank you for your thoughts - this was the type of analysis I was hoping for ...
Perhaps “intangibles” is the right category to place your comments under. Now I wonder whether the “warrior spirit” attribute:is something that can be measured or remains “intangible” At any rate, it’s an essential essential quality for an OT, or any other football position, especially in the NFL. That said,
I’m leery of Campbell’s artificiality, his play reminds me of a poorly animated video game – an abstraction of the OT position, in short, he looks mechanical, his movements a series of staccatos – he doesn’t own the position whatsoever and despite his athleticism, his pass defense demeanor is reactionary /defensive – without “Offensiveness” element that Madden talks about. Cambell is no hungry wolf who savagely and repeatedly strikes out . Thumbs down on Cambell..
Davis is risky, so unless we can determine and satisfactorily account for his bizarre behavior I say we give him a wide birth and look elsewhere in the draft. Thumbs down on Davis.
Williams is Cornell Green all over again – big, strong, looks good sometimes, but doesn’t hold blocks long enough (quits) and makes boneheaded mistakes (false starts). Moreover, Williams is considered weak on rush blocking and is tentative about hurting himself and others. Thumbs down on Williams.
A lot of concern is being expressed over Bryan Bulaga’s short arms making it tougher for him to keep DEs out of the backfield. I’m not convinced that shorter arms spell doom for him. Provided he has good footwork quickness and uses his arms skillfully and has a mighty punch. Short armed linemen can parry the longer arms of defenders and get inside (like fencers and other martial artists do). Bryan’s warrior spirit is more important than his ‘shortcoming’ arms. Thumbs up on Bulaga.
I would like to hear your assessment of Iupati, too.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 13, 2010 6:15 AM PST up reply actions
Iupati
Lots of good things to say about Iupati. I like him a lot.
He goes all out on every play (doesn’t take plays off), and he’s the aggressor at the line of scrimmage. Definitely a blue collar type of attitude. Best of all, I get the sense that he’s a “team leader” type of guy. He’ll get the line to be more cohesive and work together as a unit.
The knock on Iupati is pass protection. He has troubles with quicker DT’s. And this is at guard! So, I don’t see him transitioning to tackle. He would definitely be an upgrade to the running game as run blocking is his strength, but that won’t solve the pass protection problem. If we are to draft Iupati, we would have to either move someone to tackle (maybe move Gallery back?) or get a tackle via free agency.
Also, Iupati is regarded as a late 1st round/2nd round pick. We should be able to trade down to get a hold of him if he’s our guy.
by shadowfreder on Mar 13, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
Shadowfreder & Sons-of-Blanda finally some real dialog on the OT's in this draft...now
to go a little further in detail on each player;
Campbell: I think we all agree that though he has great measurables, he is not ready to come in and play, and as stated, the Raiders are not a great teaching team..However, if I was a betting man, I would bet that Al Daviis picks Campbell because of his numbers at the combine. He would be a great 2nd round grab, however, I expect him to be wearing Silver and Black, and with all this said about him, I hope he comes to camp with a chip on his shoulder.
Davis: Ok, he did kinda flake out on the Scouts by not reporting to even weigh in at his pro day..And he did not do as well and many thought he would at the combine. However, because of his athleticism and quickness in pass protection I still will give him his props. He is smooth and quick out of his stance and changes directions well when mirroring and sliding with defensive ends. Davis does need to be more consistent as a run-blocker, specifically in his ability to get under defenders and create movement, but he is effective when it comes to getting into position and sustaining blocks. There are some character and work-ethic concerns surrounding Davis, but his upside as a prototypical blindside pass protector may override those. More prepared to start than any other tackle except, Okung, and Bulaga if his arms don’t get the QB killed…lol
Williams: Great fundamentals, but he has slow feet, truth is he is more of a right tackle, but he as a high football IQ, he won’t get beat due to bad technique. This kid is not soft either, but he may be a right tackle in a left tackles body..If he was quicker he would be a sure thing. Those boneheaded mistakes you’re talking about, I am not aware of..This kid is a thinker on the football field..
Bulaga: Next to Okung is clearly the best tackle, his short arms just make me nervous..Look, Robert Gallery is no punk, yet due to his short arms he had trouble at left tackle and was moved to guard. Many say Bulaga can do it, but they said that about Gallery also and he was a beast coming out to College.
Okung: He is the man, and if he is there it is a no brainer but don’t bet on it.
Lupati: Hands down the best Guard in the draft, however, unless he is available late in the draft, I can’t see picking him…
This is what I see, on these guys, all though with the exception of Campbell are first rounders, and as you all know, none of this matters if they show up and play well.
by Rodney Sacramento on Mar 13, 2010 11:50 AM PST reply actions
Campbell is going in the 1st rd just because of his combine workout.
That is guaranteed. The only way Oakland would get the sure-fire best LT in the draft (Okung) is to trade 1st rd picks w/ Detroit & move up to 2. However with all the latest buzz going around that St. Louis is planning on taking Bradford over Suh means that Oakland would have a serious dilemna on their hands. You would have your choice of the 2 best prospects in the entire draft available in Russell Okung or Ndmakong Suh. Actually now that I think about it either trading down with say the NY Giants or Cowboys or possibly moving up to 2 would both be good moves. This team either needs to load up on picks or pack it up & get the biggest difference-maker available. That would actually be a tough choice to make assuming Detroit is willing to accept the trade. If either happens I am watching Thursday Draft night very intensely.
Great Post SOB
This is what we need not only of our offensive line selections, but from every draft pick who suits up in our colors.
Great Read
Don't Trade Nnamdi Idiots!!!
Bring Back Bruce!!!
Great read here, lots of good info.
I would prefer to trade down and stock picks. When it comes to the lines, we need players on both sides, and depth is our friend.
Cant wait to see what happens!
No Swagger Like The Silver & Black
by Lint on Mar 13, 2010 6:21 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Art Shell is one of the 5 greatest offensive tackles who ever played the game
I can’t believe on a Raiders website someone is saying Bob Brown who only played for the Raiders his last two years in football is better than one of the greatest Raiders ever.
It took Brown 31 years after he retired to get into the Hall of Fame while Art Shell did it in 8 years.
Shell is listed as the 55th greatest player in NFL history according to The Sporting News while Brown isn’t even on the list.
There is no way in Hell that Bob Brown was a better offensive lineman than Art Shell.
Have you totally missed the point of this post?!
Clue: it’s about the most important “intangible” a football player can have, something that cannot be measured at the combine and something that “a man” either has or doesn’t have – it’s known as the “Warrior Spirit” and Bob Brown had it more than any OT ever. The Raiders need players with Brown’s mentality – men like Atkinson, Tatum, Lott, Long, Wisniewski, McGlockton, Kennedy to name but a few who had “it” in varying degrees. Finding an OT with the warrior spirit is the obvious point of this post (not whose better between two of the very best)..
Btw, Bob Brown was selected to the First Team of 5 Pro-Bowls whereas Art Shell was only on 2 Pro Bowl First Teams.
Also, Bob Brown played for the Raiders 3 full seasons (not 2), i.e. 1971-73.
Finally, the reason it took Brown longer to get in to the HOF than Shell is that he never played on a championship team whereas, Art Shell played on two of our SB Championship teams – 1976 and 1980, and that stat is very important with the selection committee. Consider Chris Carter and Tim Brown still not making it into the HOF – great and deserving but they never played on a championship team.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 14, 2010 7:42 AM PST up reply actions
You said:
It took Brown 31 years after he retired to get into the Hall of Fame while Art Shell did it in 8 years.
From http://www.profootballhof.com/story/2004/7/27/1210/:
Even though there are 29 modern-day offensive linemen in the Hall of Fame – the most at any position – Brown is one of only six who has never appeared in a Super Bowl or NFL title game. That explains why Brown had been eligible for 26 years before finally getting selected to the Hall as a seniors committee pick.
As Sons points out, you missed the point of his post. Btw, John Madden’s statement about Bob Brown (in Son’s post above, bq-ed below) can be found here:
“Bob Brown, I thought, changed our offensive line,” says John Madden, the Raiders’ head coach from 1969-78. “He was such a dominating player, and he was a guy I really felt taught our guys that it was okay for an offensive lineman to have a defensive lineman’s mentality. He was the most aggressive offensive lineman that I think I’ve ever seen. The most aggressive offensive lineman that ever played.”
by Spirals galore on Mar 14, 2010 8:37 AM PST up reply actions
Since you and Blanda both joined this site on the same day and never disagree with one another
I assume you’re friends so I’ll ask you the same thing find one list that has Brown being better than Shell and then we’ll talk.
Here's something else you should consider - ROT Bob Brown was brought in to protect Kenny Stabler's backside
As soon as the Raiders acquired Bob Brown, Kenny Stabler finally came off the bench and the great Daryle Lamonica stepped down) that was 1971. Stabler is left handed and Bob Brown protected Kenny’s blindside from his ROT position.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 14, 2010 9:05 AM PST up reply actions
or you know.... find one list that rates Brown as better player than Shell
By the way I saw this post on the Raiders link site…..congrats I hope your posts are bringing more people to this site.
TAW, I feel you, they are the two best, however, when you look at Davis's body of
work he is not that far behind…And I am in agreement, we cannot afford to miss with this pick as we have in the past..If we trade our pick it should be to trade down, and not up..We don’t have a first round pick next year thanks to the trade for Seymour..Our selections are not bad overall when you look at where we pick in the first 4 rounds..Okung won’t be there at 8 that’s for sure, and quite frankly, if Al doesn’t take Davis, he is going to take Campbell… Of the two players I like Davis in terms of ability to play right away, however, I am sure Campbell will be selected. Detroit is going to use the second pick, they are rebuilding and with a new young QB Okung will probably be their pick..I don’t want to trade up to lose later picks, so our second is early and I think we can get a play maker there and in the third..As you I will be watching closely when the draft starts…
by Rodney Sacramento on Mar 14, 2010 7:27 AM PST reply actions
O-LINE
LETS NOT FORGET STEVE WISNIEWSKI,. HE WAS THE LAST GREAT O LINMAN WE HAD.ONE MORE LIKE HIM WOULD BE A START.
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