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Report: Raiders Acquire Kamerion Wimbley

According to an Adam Caplan report, the Oakland Raiders have acquired outside linebacker and defensive end Kamerion Wimbley from the Cleveland Browns in exchange for undisclosed draft compensation.

Star-divide

Thanks for making a trade on an important day for us college basketball fans, Al Davis!

Well, go ahead and discuss this Sunday afternoon trade. I don't have anything else to add.

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Well, I see he has speed

So he’s a natural Raider.

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by worldblee on Mar 14, 2010 2:45 PM PDT reply actions  

He's young and good BUT, what did we give up is the question?

The future is uncertain... and the end is always near. JMorrison

by S-n-B4life on Mar 14, 2010 2:55 PM PDT reply actions  

WTF

Not worth a 3rd round pick AT ALL

We all love the Warriors..
We all hate Cohan as an owner of this franchise…

by dubzfan on Mar 14, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Browns fans feel it was fair...

Apparently there were a lot of teams shopping there third for him, but we had the highest.

I also don’t like the move though, we already have two great OLBs in Morrison and Howard.

Cable Bumaye! Raiders Bumaye!

by SBcitizen on Mar 14, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is not going to play LB in a 4-3. He doesn’t have the run stopping ability, or the pass coverage skills. For a 3-4 OLB he is pretty much average in coverage and below average against the run. For a 4-3 DE who purely is there to rush the passer, he doesn’t have to face coverage as much and he is average against the run.

by bross09 on Mar 15, 2010 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

basically. he is solid for a 4-3 DE against the run though, but nowhere near good enough to be a True Linebacker.

by bross09 on Mar 15, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry to break it to you but

Morrison is a Middle linebacker. And are other Outside linebacker is Trevor Scott. WHich he can be moved to DE

by Daniel M. on Mar 15, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know, it was intentional

Morrison would be a better placed as a MLB were he originally played for us; therefore, it would make Morrison and Howard our best OLBs. I also don’t like Scott’s transition to LB, but I’ll wait and see on that.

Cable Bumaye! Raiders Bumaye!

by SBcitizen on Mar 15, 2010 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

he a first round pick from 06.

and we’ll get the pick back when they give us their third rounder in exchange for Kirk Morrison anyways

Don't Trade Nnamdi Idiots!!!
Bring Back Bruce!!!

by B.A.Armstrong on Mar 14, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only thing is

Im think he played a 3-4 OLB last year, I wonder how hes gonna handle the switch

In Bruce We Trust

by Remix. on Mar 14, 2010 2:56 PM PDT reply actions  

It could be indicative of a move in that direction

The best thing you can do is acquire guys like him, and plug in an NT and get him some depth, and lo and behold, you’re playing today’s preferred front seven alignment.

I’m not sure why so many here are adverse to this. Great players can, and probably have played some in both alignments, and your job doesn’t change tremendously. You still have to converge on the ballcarrier, rush the passer, or drop into coverage. You’re still trying to do the same things, your advantage just comes in your ability to disguise how you’re doing it.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Mar 14, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Minor Details

Per Rotoworld:

Wimbley, the No. 13 overall pick in 2006, is just 26 years old and led Cleveland in sacks last season, so the move is surprising at first glance. However, the Browns have stockpiled quality depth at outside linebacker, and could turn to Marcus Benard (3.5 sacks in ‘09), trusty Jason Trusnik, gifted Alex Hall, or 2009 second-round pick David Veikune opposite Matt Roth. In Oakland, Wimbley will likely start at left defensive end, replacing Greg Ellis. He’ll be playing with his hand in the dirt for the first time since Florida State.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 14, 2010 3:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Finally.!

you know I’ve been waiting for them to finally make some kind of move.! former first round pick, 27 yrs old, i like it… i was wondering what moves we were going to make.

by ButtMunch on Mar 14, 2010 3:07 PM PDT reply actions  

works for me. the guy can easily start. now get McClain and we will have a LB core like the 2000 Ravens. Maybe stop the run for a change.

If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you.

by Parental Advisory on Mar 14, 2010 3:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Whoa
[…] we will have a LB core like the 2000 Ravens.

Hold your horses, man. We don’t even know if Wimbley is playing linebacker.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 14, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you

Ray Lewis is a special player who makes the entire defense around him better and is an outstanding leader. I’m not saying McClain or anyone else isn’t good or potentially great, but their D was something special and our Linebackers haven’t shown to be anything but average for a long time.

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by S Jay Bruin on Mar 15, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lewis

He’s more than a special player. He’s arguably the greatest of all time. I don’t think we can compare McClain to him.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 15, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I said if we get McClain also. He won’t play end. We have Trevor Scott and Shaughnessy.

If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you.

by Parental Advisory on Mar 14, 2010 3:11 PM PDT reply actions  

McClain

His addition doesn’t make us anything like the 2000 Baltimore Ravens at all. You have really insulted them.

Also, Scott and Shaughnessy are no locks over Wimbley. The guy led the Browns in sacks.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 14, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

fuck the ravens. i could care less if i insulted those panty wastes.

If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you.

by Parental Advisory on Mar 14, 2010 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Scott…mostly b/c we share an alma mater.

by bross09 on Mar 15, 2010 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are you saying McClain will be equal to Ray Lewis you have to be joking. Patrick Willis is one of the best young linebackers and he is no where close to 2000 Ray Lewis. As good McClain look on tape you have to wonder how much of that is because of Cody. I say go after the best linebacker that fits our system then draft a NT that can control the line. who know maybe you move seymour inside on 3 and long and allow scott and wimbley to apply outside pressure.

by Micheal Y on Mar 15, 2010 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

OMG it was a figure of speech, I was just tryng to be optimistic. enough already with the comparisons you mutants.

If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you.

by Parental Advisory on Mar 15, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

You forget

the 2000’s Ravens had Sam Adams and the Goose at DT. both of them took up a double team and if you didn’t you paid for it. You talk with optimistic tone but even if we drafted McClain we don’t have the linebacker coach to teach him. It would be like drafting Russell but on defense he has all the talent but will Al Davis allow him to run side line to sideline. Al has a thing about drafting players that are good at one thing and making them do something different. Huff was good at roaming the field but Al put him in man coverage. Mcfadden was good at one cut and go and catching out of the backfield we waited until week 12 to throw to him. Russell work best with a coach that didn’t take mess al changed his coach 3 out of his first 4 years. I think Tom Cable is just the man who isn’t going to take Russell sh*t. I said that to say this McClain could be a great Raider but only if Al get a real linebacker coach, draft a NT, an allow Marshall to blitz.

by Micheal Y on Mar 15, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kamerion Wimbley

We gave them a third rd pick 4 him

by Rimando#81 on Mar 14, 2010 3:18 PM PDT reply actions  

He's another tweener; I haven't speculated it, but others here have: this could be a move towards the 3-4

I’ll be convinced if we bring in any NT FAs for workouts, and especially if we take the real NT. But either way, I believe this guy is def being brought in to bolster pass rush, whether we’ll line him up at lb or at DE in the 4-3. He’ll excel and perhaps compete for a starting job, at least on third downs occasionally right away, especially if we get the real disruptive NT we’re looking for.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Mar 14, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

We NEED a true NT no matter what!

If we run the 34 or stay with the 43 we still need a NT. I think Kelly would be dominant if he had a beast NT next to him in the 43.

I think a more obvious speculation is that Morrison will be traded leaving us with the still lingering need of a MLB.

Cable Bumaye! Raiders Bumaye!

by SBcitizen on Mar 14, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm totally with you. And by no means do I think it says 100% we'll be changing alignments

I want the NT too, and hope we get ‘em. I think Brian Price will be a Raider, and I won’t be mad at that, but he’s no natural NT, and much more a UT.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Mar 14, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

im curious if seymour

will play inside more this year with the young end talents we have now. i know he can play both spots and just wondering.

by rodeosnake12 on Mar 15, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not at all. Sorry guys. Browns fan here. He is a pass rush specialist and not super spectacular at that.

He has above average tackling ability, but nowhere near the tackling ability to be a 4-3 LB. He is a solid tackler for an Edge Rusher in a 3-4 or a 4-3 DE but he is not the kind of guy who could be anything more than an average starter at 4-3 LB with his tackling ability.

He has average skills against the run. when I talk about his skills (in the first sentence) I am talking about them strictly as an edge rusher in a 3-4. He has average to below average skills against the run for a 3-4 Edge rusher but isn’t as exposed as a 4-3 DE. He doesn’t have the skills to stop the run to be a full time 4-3 Linebacker though.

He is decent in Coverage. WImbley is solid in coverage for an Edge Rusher but that isn’t saying much. For a true linebacker though he is pretty much average. he won’t hurt you but he won’t make significant plays. in 4 seasons he had only 4 passes defended and one interception. He doesn’t have a ton of blown coverages but doesn’t make plays in coverage.

I would probably not trust him as a weak side OLB let alone a MLB. the MLB usually has to do the bulk of the work in coverage and stopping the run when it comes to 4-3 LBs. that is why they are always valued higher.

I am not saying that wimbley is a bad player. you just have to let him play to his strengths. his strengths are rushing the passer.

by bross09 on Mar 15, 2010 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

So we got him just to replace Ellis I suppose.

I guess Scott is staying as an OLB.

Cable Bumaye! Raiders Bumaye!

by SBcitizen on Mar 15, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

hey BROSS09

is he a team first guy/ leader type?

by rodeosnake12 on Mar 15, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am not sure. I think he is a hard worker.

by bross09 on Mar 15, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the good info!

This would be a great move, if the Raiders weren’t way better in pass defense then run defense. As it is though, it seems like kind of a head scratcher.

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by noontide on Mar 15, 2010 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

yes. I do agree on that. maybe Al thought he needed another edge rusher.

No problem. I like wimbley as a player and I wish him best, I just want to give fair warning that he isn’t the next jared allen or anything. I feel what we got out of him last year (6-7 sacks, average-above average against the run) is his ceiling. for a 3rd round pick, that isn’t bad.

by bross09 on Mar 15, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

i dont know about that

Sorry but I hope we dont draft McClain… definately not my pick..

by ButtMunch on Mar 14, 2010 3:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Weatherspoon

Now he would be my pick for a linebacker… obviously not pick him at 8 but if we could I’d take him…

by ButtMunch on Mar 14, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kamerion Wimbley BEAST

yea we gave a 3d rd for him bt we have 2 3d round picks. i could see us in the 3-4 def and 4-3 at times. 3-4 scott blizting alsmt every play off the edge along with howard or Kamerion Wimbley. morrison as middle maybe even Kamerion Wimbley since his size 6-3 255

by Rimando#81 on Mar 14, 2010 3:24 PM PDT reply actions  

thats amazing for player of his size. not too shabby.

by CarolinaCanes on Mar 14, 2010 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes. I am over from DBN and although he is a solid player and you didn’t get a horrible deal for him with the pick, the 4.61 is somewhat misleading. He is from what I have seen purely an edge rusher that can get pushed around pretty easily. he is also very underachieving. Except for his rookie season, he has never been anything more than above average. even for a guy who was a highly touted recruit in HS. he had only 7.5 sacks his senior season, and only 12.5 sacks (about. He might have had one his freshman year, I would have to go look back) his whole college career. He is a solid player but just fell prey to the classic workout warrior overdrafting. in a way, JPP is like WImbley 2.0 except for the fact that he has less experience and less production. both were guys who never really produced but everyone loved their “upside”

well, I wish him good luck. He isn’t bad for the price you got him for, but look at him for the pick you gave up for him, not the pick where he was actually picked.

by bross09 on Mar 15, 2010 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Welcome, bross09, and thank you for your review of Wmbley. We seriously lacked pressure on QBs in passing situations

and Wimbley’s demonstrated ability for that aspect will help ua. Still, in games against the NYJets, Baltimore and you guys, we were burned on 3rd-down runs more often than passes. Overall, I like the move. It’s not the first, or last, time Al Davis takes a player whose career is sliding or disappointing – for some reason, Al believes playing for Oakland (for him?) magically unlocks potential and former excellence.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 15, 2010 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sadly, for al, it is the opposite.

Wimbley is a good player no doubt but He should never been drafted that high. If you get 6-7 sacks out of him, it is a good deal. that is about all i think he can get

(and a correction, he only had 12 career college sacks)

by bross09 on Mar 15, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

The raiders are planning on getting a 3rd for Morrison

Thats why they only gave him a 3rd tender

The future is uncertain... and the end is always near. JMorrison

by S-n-B4life on Mar 14, 2010 3:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Richmond

They’re a lock to make it, Greg. Stop with the suspense. They should be a six or a seven seed.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 14, 2010 3:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Sorry

I posted it in the wrong thread! That’s a little embarrassing.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 14, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you guys really want to get rid of Morrison.?

I mean i like him…. he’s a true raider… grew up in Oakland, grew up a Raider fan, i mean its not all his fault.. if i would put the blame on anyone id say our DT’s because they suck… except Desmond Bryant..

by ButtMunch on Mar 14, 2010 3:35 PM PDT reply actions  

I want a hard hitter, quick dude, blitz dude, doesn't miss tackles dude at a big rate (Morrison).

We need a change of scenery, who knows maybe Morrison isn’t a fit with us, i’ve seen him play lost at times.

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by JaggerJaw on Mar 14, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kirk would do better as an ILB

if the Raiders went to a 3-4 and drafted a stud NT like Linval Joseph. Kirk needs help he can’t handle the middle alone, too much over pursuit

by rambis64 on Mar 14, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Morrison BUT

He would have been better off if he had a Quality DL or played the OLB or in a 3-4 Basically he is a victim of circumstance.

The future is uncertain... and the end is always near. JMorrison

by S-n-B4life on Mar 14, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm liking this

Use him like we used Burgess and leave Scott as the pass rushing OLB. As for Kirk, he’s going to bounce back this year if the DTs don’t play like turnstiles.

by Mike Garza on Mar 14, 2010 3:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Thank You.!

Yeah I think Kirk will play a lot better this year… i mean I doubt he wants to leave Oakland and he will prove why he should stay if he gets another chance… but we NEED a damn DT.!

by ButtMunch on Mar 14, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think we should get a OT or DT in the 1st rd? and for second get the other we didnt get and 3rd rd get a SOLID corner so our defense can have more depth at corner

by Rimando#81 on Mar 14, 2010 3:45 PM PDT reply actions  

how about...

I like Trent Williams to be our 8th pick… and do you think DT Brian Price will be there for our 2nd round pick.?

by ButtMunch on Mar 14, 2010 3:51 PM PDT reply actions  

i think he will if he’s not who do u think they shud get

by Rimando#81 on Mar 14, 2010 4:01 PM PDT reply actions  

i like trent willams and anthony davis i think bruce campbell is good too but others say hes not

by Rimando#81 on Mar 14, 2010 4:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Bruce Campbell

is a beast physcially… but as a tackle he isnt as good as the others.. I like Trent Williams because he is equally good in pass and run protection and is the 2nd fastest OL after Campbell.
but about the DT’s i really dont know…

by ButtMunch on Mar 14, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was faster than Bruce by some scouts clocks, and mere hundredths behind officially

Trent outjumped Bruce, too, besting DTs.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Mar 14, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe we could get a good DT in free agency then get a good CB in 2nd?? for nickel and dime

by Rimando#81 on Mar 14, 2010 4:07 PM PDT reply actions  

i was actually ALMOST thinking of taking Eric Barry for our 8th pick once… fast, big, great reads, yes he is a safety but ive heard he can play every DB position and would be awsome to have opposite to Nnamdi.

by ButtMunch on Mar 14, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's all Cleveland at 7

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Mar 14, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Barry

Personally i think Barry is a better player than Haden… just have that feeling Haden wont be so great..

by ButtMunch on Mar 14, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Berry is a saftey

Haden is a corner, it’s hard to compare to different positions

The future is uncertain... and the end is always near. JMorrison

by S-n-B4life on Mar 14, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

YEs but

Safety’s and Corner’s switch positions all the time… for example Mike Mitchell played CB a bit last year.
and an even better example is Tyvon Branch converted from played CB to SS

by ButtMunch on Mar 14, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

21?

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Mar 14, 2010 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

The greatest conversion from safety to corner, ever maybe?

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Mar 15, 2010 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is talk that Cleveland takes a QB now

The released Anderson and traded Quinn, who was presumably their future QB. They have Delhomme now as a veteran and he is clearly not the future. They could trade up to get Bradford as well seeing as they have the 7th overall pick AND 12 other picks in this draft.

Cable Bumaye! Raiders Bumaye!

by SBcitizen on Mar 14, 2010 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

maybe not. I am a cleveland fan and keep up on this stuff and here to talk about wimbley.

On that subject, this trade makes it more likely the browns DON’T take haden. I feel that they do either one of 3 things:

1) Get Berry if he falls to #7

2) If Berry is gone Get Derrick Morgan. the browns desperately need a guy to rush the passer now that WImbley is ogne

3) If Morgan is gone (or if they see an opportunity) trade down.

I still think haden is possible but I would put money on them trading down before I put money on them taking haden.

by bross09 on Mar 15, 2010 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

It almost seems like the browns are going to try and take a QB

Given the recent circumstances of trading Quinn and releasing Anderson.

Cable Bumaye! Raiders Bumaye!

by SBcitizen on Mar 15, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

They have lenty of picks to do so

Plus, a new GM usually wants a franchise QB, I think they signed Jake to compete with a rookie and tutor him

In Bruce We Trust

by Remix. on Mar 15, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

maybe. If bradford is there, I think they take him. If not, they target a McCoy or a Lefevour.

by bross09 on Mar 15, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

tyson alualu

he should be availble in the 2nd rd DT 4rm CAL but he might be undersized?? 6-2 291he had 7 sacks in 09

by Rimando#81 on Mar 14, 2010 4:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Alualu

As a Cal fan, I don’t consider him a defensive tackle. He hardly played there. As a defensive end, he’s pretty good. I think the second round is still too high for him.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 14, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Played some NT, and an interesting special teamer too

but undersized and more likely not able to fulfill the role of NT at the NFL level. Another UT, and another Kelly, Warren, and Seymour. Wrong guy, imo.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Mar 14, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seymour

Do u think he is better at DT?? than DE he isnt that fast to get the QB.

by Rimando#81 on Mar 14, 2010 4:23 PM PDT reply actions  

I think your right

Yeah actually I do…
then we have Shaunnessy and Trevor Scott at DE and Kelly and Seymour at DT… even though i think Trevor Scott would be a better blitzing OLB

by ButtMunch on Mar 14, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good acquisition for the Raiders!!! This kid can play he is young and he comes with

experience. He is worth a strait trade 3rd round pick. This was a good trade and he should help our defense. Yes, we do need other players, however, he does fill a gap and at his age its a real plus. The Raiders will eventually find the right DT..

by Rodney Sacramento on Mar 14, 2010 4:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Depending on who we get 1st rd if we cant find a player to fit 2nd rd should we trade our pick?? i dont think soo mike mitchell was picked 2nd rd last yr and every 1 was like who is he blah blah being haters like usual

by Rimando#81 on Mar 14, 2010 4:26 PM PDT reply actions  

lets just hope

we get Trent Williams in the 1st and Brian Price in the 2nd… BOOM.! both major major needs are done…

by ButtMunch on Mar 14, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

i can live with those two

but 2 on thu. nite and fri. morn? wake me from that dream.

I’ll be stoked if we fill OT, and DT or MLB with any of our first five…

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Mar 14, 2010 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hue jackson

hopefully offense is good and can score 20 or more points a game. i think JR can be good but he has to step up and actually wanna be good by having a better work etihc

by Rimando#81 on Mar 14, 2010 4:35 PM PDT reply actions  

i wish

thats his biggest problem… he doesnt care about the team or football just the stack of cash Al Davis pays him… but when he does care.! shit… better watch out because JR could be the best… IF he starts to really care and want to be the best.

by ButtMunch on Mar 14, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

whochever QB starts hopefully they take us to the top. do u think they shud sign T.O for a year?

by Rimando#81 on Mar 14, 2010 4:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Owens

He wasn’t a problem in Buffalo. For $5 million, I’ll take him.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 14, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

yea thats what i was saying he kept his mouth shut. if price isnt there the raiders could also consider getting Dan willams DT from tennesse 62 329 or jared odrick from penn state 6-5 301

by Rimando#81 on Mar 14, 2010 4:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah that wont be too bad

i kinda like Owens.. maybe sign him for a year or two if the price is right… he can help the young receivers and plus he’d probably love all the Raider drama… LoL

by ButtMunch on Mar 14, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Owens

yea i could see us do good with him and bad but mostly good what do we have to lose?

by Rimando#81 on Mar 14, 2010 4:49 PM PDT reply actions  

but does he have consistent hands? He’s not very fast but he is big but can he catch consitantly.?

by ButtMunch on Mar 14, 2010 4:55 PM PDT reply actions  

when he gets the ball in his hands he’s pretty fast hopefully he could be slot or start with shcilens

by Rimando#81 on Mar 14, 2010 4:58 PM PDT reply actions  

aha meant schilens**

by Rimando#81 on Mar 14, 2010 5:04 PM PDT reply actions  

See Saint's post from early January

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2010/1/7/1238348/weighing-in-on-jamarcus-russell

Does JaMarcus Russell really want to play in the NFL?
On my drive home yesterday I listened to Steve Young on KNBR pose the exact same question and it has made me think.

by Spirals galore on Mar 14, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING IVE SAID SEVERAL TIMES

But steve young is soo full of shit he’s watching someone elses QB right? i mean come on were raider fans we know football

I even cum Black & Silver...

by Tramp "Raider Roxxxtar" on Mar 14, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

but

do you honestly think the Raiders will switch to 3-4.? I think it would help since we have more LB’s than DT’s and we need to change something on defense to stop the run but will do you think they will ever change to a 3-4.?

by ButtMunch on Mar 14, 2010 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

David White thinks so

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/raiders/detail?entry_id=59214

He could be the strongside linebacker they’ve lacked for years, or a replacement for co-sacks leader Greg Ellis, who also came to Oakland as a 3-4 linebacker but played right end in their 4-3 scheme.
Add a mike linebacker and a big nose tackle, and the Raiders would have the makings of a pretty good 3-4 defense.

by Spirals galore on Mar 15, 2010 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

The annuls of the new decade may someday read:

“The Raiders incorporated a specific mentality emphasizing speed and daring: on Defense; such tactics are known as Al’sitzkrieg.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 14, 2010 5:31 PM PDT reply actions  

He's got decent numbers

and he’s young so that’s good.

Let’s see how we use him.

by xville on Mar 14, 2010 6:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Should be interesting to see how they use him

He’s definitely got a lot of talent, and a very strong build. He was definitely worth a 3rd rounder since they already have one, and will get another one if Morrison signs elsewhere. If they stick with a 4-3, then he will probably be a pretty good pass rusher opposite Seymour. If they end up switching to a 3-4, then he could be our version of Ware if we can get another good inside linebacker and nose tackle to help. 4-3 front seven: Seymour, Kelly, Bryant/draft pick, Wimbley, Howard, Morrison/draft pick, Scott. 3-4 front seven: Seymour, draft pick, Kelly/Shaughnessy, Howard, Morrison/draft pick, Brown/draft pick, Wimberly. The linebacker scenario for the 3-4 that I would like best if they weren’t to draft a top tier linebacker would be Scott and Wimberly on the outsides, with Morrison and Howard on the insides. In a 3-4, I think that Howard could be very solid on the inside because he would have help from Morrison.

by duballers23 on Mar 14, 2010 6:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Kamerion Wimbley

RAIDER NATION:

The type of player KW is…hard hitting, bring your lunch pail to work type player. He blew up the first year he was with us as a Brown, but after other teams seen film on him..they discovered he was a one-move pass rusher. This was the beginning of his low production in Cleveland. He teamed well with retired Wille McGinnest but after WG left..he continued to not grow as a pass-rusher. Romeo Crennel and Phil Savage was dedicated on working with him but after the 07 season, Randy Learner (owner) god rid of both RC and PH..and brung in Coach Mangini. Mangini attempted to work with him as well and got alittle more production out of him (along with the addition of Def. Coord. Rob Ryan) at 6.5 sacks this past year. In summary, good player…nothing to go crazy about; one move pass-rusher, too predictable. Good motor and willing to learn new things. RATION NATION will definitely need another OLB that will help Wimbley to go to the next level….because he will not be able to do it by himself. If I would give him a grade for the time he spent in Cleveland, it would be a C+.

by uber elf on Mar 14, 2010 7:28 PM PDT reply actions  

we have

thomas howard
we dont need another OLB

by raiderfan4life on Mar 14, 2010 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wimbley really didn’t have a chance in Cleveland. The Browns have practically no playmakers on that defense. Once McGinnest was gone, Wimberly had no one else to help him. If a guy has no other playmakers around him, then of course he’s not going to be as good. The Raiders have guys that will take attention away from Wimbley, which will allow him to make more plays on defense.

by duballers23 on Mar 14, 2010 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

actually this is false. We had david bowens on the other side who had about 6 sacks in the first 9-10 games when he played on the outside (before he switched to the inside). We also had matt roth at the end of the season.

In fact, it is ironic that once we started developing a more consistent pass rush by the end of the season, he actually dropped off the map really.

Wimbley reminds me in many ways of JPP. They both are (or will be) overdrafted because of physical skills. wimbley never produced really in college. he has always been an inconsistent and streaky player with great physical skills…no wonder al davis picked him up.

The problem was not at all lack of playmakers, it was lack of development on wimbley’s part. He cannot bullrush defenders and relies purely on speed. the problem is. speed isn’t everything. his pass rushing moves have not gotten significantly better over 4 years.

by bross09 on Mar 15, 2010 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

RATION NATION:

One more thing….he’s not a first round material, he is the second player we took a lost on (Brady Quinn) this year.

Sincerly,

Uber Elf

by uber elf on Mar 14, 2010 7:30 PM PDT reply actions  

a visitor from the Dawg pound Nation?

What are you guys gonna do with all those picks? I suspect they’ll give at least 2 more away on tender agreements for FA’s Holmie will go after, but that’s still near a dozen picks.

An enviable place to be in, indeed. What do you think the future holds for the qb situation? I can’t see what they’d see in Delhomme; not too surprised Brady’s gone away.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Mar 14, 2010 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Im surprised he would join and go through all the trouble to tell us about Wimbley...Thanx.

The fact that u have no Browns membership is… weird. But dont mind my snooping around, :)

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by JaggerJaw on Mar 14, 2010 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's pretty hard to play well on a defense if the defense you are playing on sucks and has practically no surrounding playmakers.

Even compared to the Raiders defense (which wasn’t that bad last year besides getting torched against the run when they were tired as heck becuase the offense couldn’t stay on the field), the Browns defense sucked.

by duballers23 on Mar 14, 2010 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like this move A LOT!!!

If it is for a third rounder. Wimbley is one heckuva pass rusher and better than anyone we would get in this year’s third round. If it is a second rounder, then this may not be so good as there will be a fast DE that will cost less.

I think that we have just gotten younger and better by releasing Ellis and grabbing Wimbley.

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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Mar 14, 2010 8:32 PM PDT reply actions  

This is a great move for the Raiders and worthy of a 3rd round pick, he is young, fast

and has a nose for the ball, great instincts and will fit fine in our Defense. He is proven, and that is one thing that is never offered in the draft. Great pick up for the Raiders!!!!

by Rodney Sacramento on Mar 14, 2010 8:40 PM PDT reply actions  

htis is a good trade!

i totally agree and this is why ellis was released. this guy can play both postions, lb or d end. it only cost us a 3rd pick. the browns are unloading and we might want to see who is a possibility of being released. great pick up for the raiders!

by sports with steve on Mar 14, 2010 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

RAIDER NATION:

Have alot to do with the picks, plan on building and hopefully we’ll be able to get some playmakers. Just decided to let you guys in on KW…never blogged before but I felt it was needed so you guys know what you’re getting. I feel Kam is worth a 3rd. MIKE LOMBARDI (NFL network) knew this was gonna happen before they traded Kam to you guys. In his Mock draft he picked Derrick Morgan (GT) as the Browns 7th overall pick..then Boom a day later.. Kam is gone. In reference to Jake Delhomme, ..he is better than what we been getting these last few years. Brady Quinn really didnt get a fair shake I feel….it was due to bad decision making on managment’s part. He have alot of potential, but during his duration in Cleveland, his production was cut short by the QB competition and even before he came to camp..his agent didnt get him in his rookie year which took him out the QB running off the bat.

by uber elf on Mar 14, 2010 8:45 PM PDT reply actions  

This was a Holmgren move all the way, and wanted to remove any possibility of a qb controversy

and perhaps isn’t sold on Brady. I agree he hasn’t been given a real shot yet, but must prove himself quickly wherever he goes. He should be able to compete for starting jobs.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Mar 15, 2010 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe they will change their tunes about halfway through the season

much like Denver’s fans questioned McD until that point of the season. Of course they started questioning McD again about 7 games later.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Mar 15, 2010 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

what site are you checking…most people at DBN (the SBN website for the browns) are in support of this trade. We are intelligent fans who saw him play firsthand and most are not throwing fits. Granted, most of us were not fans of the delhomme signing but we got a solid RB/FB for Quinn and he really wasn’t a good fit with the regime anymore.

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by bross09 on Mar 15, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

wait…so mike lombardi has magic powers that made him see a browns trade?

I am here as a browns fan commenting on the trade. BQ got a fair shot. the problem was he didn’t take advantage of it. He was given time this year to show us something. all he showed us was that he isn’t as accurate as advertised. His pocket awareness was terrible and was rushing the ball out when there was no rush. this is a sign of a QB who is just overwhelmed with the pro game. He threw a lot of bad passes and the only positive I see is that he was (somewhat) able to limit interceptions. Yes i do think things could have gone better for him, but his play caused his demise

plus a little known fact that all analysts fail to mention is that he ended the last 2 seasons on the IR. I know everyone thinks the skinny QBs like pike are brittle…I think they are in denial that a built guy like Quinn can have injury problems. we have found out that Quinn is likely fragile too and that makes him a risk too.

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by bross09 on Mar 15, 2010 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can have Jamarcus if you want.

We’ll give him to you for free AND we’ll get you a pizza of your liking. Although there are serious concerns that Jamarcus will eat the pizza in route to Cleveland.

Please take him!

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by SBcitizen on Mar 15, 2010 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I feel sorry for you guys that you took him. I was one of the few people that wasn’t salivating over his arm. I have always thought arm strength is overrated. I think if you have enough arm strength to make all the throws and enough zip to occasionally fit the ball into tight spots, you should be fine. drew brees has enough arm strength in my book. I

I love the Jamarcus eating everything joke. As long as we don’t have to pay him money, i would take him just in some ways out of pity…not that i pity raiders fans, but right now you have it bad…we both do.

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by bross09 on Mar 16, 2010 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, but you guys got Holmgren in the last offseason...

sigh…

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Mar 16, 2010 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

thats true. I am rooting for Davis to just be kicked out somehow. i heard during the season the fans had a Petition for him to step down as GM…if only that would have worked…

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by bross09 on Mar 17, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Raider Nation..no worries, Wimbley's upside is so high, we really came out well on

this one. He just needs some work and we have Vets that can get the kid going in the right direction…If we can sign TO we should do it, it will immediately change the dynamics of our offense, it will help our young, fast receivers to excell and TO plays, practices, and trains hard..He does not take his craft lightly, something DHB and the others can learn from..He will help J Russ, face it Al is not giving up on him, as well as any other QB that plays..With our running attack and the addition of TO, we will win more games..period..Also, I like Andrew Davis over Trent Williams, though Trent has a very high football IQ, he is a smart kid and will never get beat due to a breakdown in his fundamentals. I just think Trent is a Right Tackle in a Left Tackles body..his feet are a little slow, and that’s not to say he can’t get it all together, however, Davis is more prepared to step in now, say what you want about him..When he comes to the NFL, he won’t punk out..He will play hard and he has the skills right now to protect the blindside…And on Wimbley again, he will be fine on our defense, remember our Defense is not that bad, they just need help from the offense by not being on the field all game, and being motivated by seeing the O score touchdowns and they will stop teams and give them hell. I really hope Al, gives TO a serious look, he would really be a big help to our young receiving corps..and our offense overall..

by Rodney Sacramento on Mar 15, 2010 8:27 AM PDT reply actions  

the problem is, when teams overpay for upside. thankfully in your case, Davis didn’t, but Wimbley I believe doesn’t have as much upside as people think.

Kamerion Wimbley was a workout warrior and a physical freak. However, he never really produced in college (12 total career sacks, 67 career solo tackles, 7.5 sacks his senior year, 3 years starting) but had all the physical skills. He has shown flashes of brilliance in cleveland but has been wildly inconsistent. However, he has not developed as a pass rusher, nor has he developed pass rushing moves. He has not ever produced consistently on any level. There is a correlation between getting sacks in college and being successful in the pros. guys who don’t get to the QB consistently in college have trouble in the pros. we have seen this with wimbley.

Don’t think wimbley has all this potential to be a superstar. he might have the potential, but so does Russell…Just saying. If you get 6 sacks out of him this year, it is a solid trade…that is what you likely will get out of him too…

by bross09 on Mar 15, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I dont know dude

I am pretty excited about this trade, even if we do get 6-7 sacks out of him, Thats probably more than any 3rd rounder we couldve gotten. But I believe we can possibly get more. He will be a 4-3 DE and 3rd down Pass Rusher. Im predicting maybe 9-11. Possibly

In Bruce We Trust

by Remix. on Mar 15, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree it is good for 6-7 sacks out of him…but it is HIGHLY unlikley that he will get 9-11. he isn’t a rookie anymore. He has averaged about 5 sacks a season for the last 3 seasons. I think what he did this year is what he will be in the pros. a streaky player that can get 6-7 sacks a season.

I think it is more likely that his production DROPS in a 4-3 for many reasons

a) He is not that big. he is a true tweener guy. he is 6’3 255 pounds which is still a little small for a 4-3 DE.

b) He doesn’t have good strength. He gets overpowered when he matches up against a decent tackle

c) he still doesn’t have great pass rushing moves. as a 3-4 Rush Linebacker he could get the speed up to just run past Tackles occasionally. he didn’t use much pass rush moves his first year when he got 11 sacks. however, defenses started to gameplan against him and he couldn’t speed rush as effectively. he had to use pass rushing moves such as the swim and arm over. however, in 3 years these moves have not developed much. as a 4-3 DE you rely usually more on pass rush moves. that is what made reggie white so great. guys who are pure speed aren’t often effective in a 4-3.

d) He struggled in traffic and much of his inconsistencies came when he got caught up in traffic. as a 3-4 Linebacker, you get a lot more open shots at the QB. when playing on the line in a 3 point stance, you are playing in traffic a lot more. to be a 4-3 DE you have to be at least solid in traffic. this is the weakest part of his game and was one of the major causes of his inconsistencies. he would be a great player if he could rush unblocked, but he can’t. this would happen even less in a 4-3.

I am not denying that he is a good player, however, he might not be as effective in a 4-3. I highly doubt that he gets the type of production you are predicting. even if he isn’t as effective in a 4-3 defense, he still will get IMO about as many sacks as last year because he is in a contract year.

by bross09 on Mar 15, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

He can be our Dumerville...'Nuff said..although...

 Dumer has the advantage cuz he is like 5’8 like a little kid and can penetrate easily, the big 6’6 lineman has trouble snooping down to his level. Which is a big reason he gets sax.

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Mar 15, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

except tht Dumervil and Wimbley are 2 totally different types of players:

Dumervil has more bulk. While he is sorter by 4 inches, he outweighs wimbley. he has more bulk and doesn’t get pushed around as easily.

Because of his size, dumervil is good at getting leverage on opponents and exploiting it. Wimbley still isn’t good at that.

Dumervil is significantly stronger and can use the club and bullrush moves (which require more strength).

Dumervil has well devloped pass rush moves whereas wimbley’s are still a major work in progress.

Wimbley relies solely on speed whereas dumervil can beat you in an array of ways.

Wimbley stuggles when gameplanned against, he struggles in traffic, and he struggles when going up against good Tackles. Dumervil is very good one on one with a blocker.

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by bross09 on Mar 15, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bross09 remember game planning goes two ways, as well as the player watching

film and adjusting his game. I don’t mean to say this kid is just the answer, he’s not, however, he has a huge upside..however, he needs to be taught..He is NOT a power rusher so he won’t run over any O Tackle, he has to play smart. Reggie White was so strong that he could run tackles straight over and he had moves, I watched him personally as my cousin played with him in Philly when he was there before Green Bay. You can count the Defensive Ends with Reggies strength and speed on one hand. Wimbley is not close to a Reggie White, but he can be a play maker with the right coaching, and that is what I mean by upside. If he gets hurries that cause sacks he is doing his job. However, the Raiders play 4-3 and he will play outside linebacker and will have the duties as such..He is a good tackler and should help in run defense..Is he the answer, NO, however, is he a wasted trade, NO, this is not a bad trade at all and hopefully he comes with a chip on his shoulder..Now a good D Tackle would really help our cause..lol

by Rodney Sacramento on Mar 15, 2010 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am not saying this is a bad trade. for what you gave up it is a very solid trade.

By the way, you know who else has huge upside? Jamarcus Russell…Just putting it out there…

and I thought he had some brilliant minds to coach him up in cleveland. we had Crennel, Mangini, and Rob Ryan. while Crennel was not a great head coach, all of these guys were defensive guru’s well versed in the 3-4 Defense.

IF wimbley develops some good pass rush moves than maybe he can be a true force. however, if you think this guy is magically going to turn into a double digit sack guy you are mistaken…that is my point. He is a solid player and will net you 6 sacks a season. Last year showed truly what he can do, and what he can’t. He also fits the 3-4 much better, but I still see him getting 6-7 sacks this year. for that production, it was a solid deal for both teams, but don’t expect double digit sacks.

You also mention that he will play outside Linebacker in a 4-3. I have my doubts if he can do this. He is a solid tackler for his position. i will agree he is good in that area. However to be a 4-3 OLB you have to be a much better tackler than in a 3-4. He is pretty much mediocre as a tackler for the OLB position. he has good range, but he would also be below average against the run…he was only average for a 3-4 guy. He is still as good as the day he was drafted, but that is a bad thing. he hasn’t improved much and one of his weakest areas was run defense. He also wasn’t a great tackler for a 3-4 Rush Linebacker either.

Still, whatever you do with him, I wish him luck. He is a class act and he will find a role somewhere and make some plays.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 15, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude, Once they put a Raiders Jersey...they can feel the energy, power, tradition, you may just see a different player.

They can see the legends walk past them and inspire them, perhaps teach them. Sometimes all a player needs is a change of scenery, although we have been sucking ass, the history is always there. I am expecting him to double the stats he had in cleveland last year. 11 sacks. (If we Blitz frequently) :)

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Mar 16, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Once they put a Raiders Jersey…they can feel the energy, power, tradition, you may just see a different player.

the question is how often does this happen? I look back and often see the opposite.

I don’t think that coming to the raiders will truly double his production…especially since he fits a 3-4 better than a 4-3.

11 sacks is very optimistic for a guy who is wildly inconsistent. As a pass rusher he reminds me of Alex Brown from Chicago. Undersized. A speed Rusher. Great talent. Decent production but doesn’t live up to the potential. Solid play but not spectacular. Brown averages about 6 sacks a year. that is what you get with wimbley IMO too.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 16, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you for all the input

Maybe you’ll turn out to be right, maybe not. At any rate, this wildly inconsistent Wimbley is no more on your team.

by Spirals galore on Mar 16, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree. He can make plays enough to be worth the pick you got.

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by bross09 on Mar 17, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

JaggerMeisterJaw is right - the Silver & Black colors are like Batman's crime-fighting garb

men morph into blood thirsty savage beasts (provided they have the potential). Wimbley has the potential. Heard he raises pit bulls.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 16, 2010 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

snap!

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by brhynno on Mar 16, 2010 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

this could be true. I have not seen it happen. it definitely didn’t happen with moss. It could happen with wimbley. although if he gets 8-9 sacks this year, it could just be that he is in a contract year.

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by bross09 on Mar 17, 2010 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

This kid can hit and tackle, unfortunately he played in Cleveland where NO ONE

really hit.. Sure, he had Crennel, but he was not Defensive Coordinator and had the stress of being head coach and we all know how that went. Wimbley will be fine in Oakland, and as I said I am not counting him for double digit sacks, I am expecting him to play solid football and do his job. Julius Peppers is who you sign for guaranteed double digit sacks..Wimbley will be an asset this year. And if J-Russ can get his head together and begin to understand what is going on around him on the field, be able to read defenses and call the right audibles when needed, find his field awareness when pass rushers are close, he has the arm and strength to make plays…J-Russ’s problem is mental, and I question his intelligence, or should I say, his Football IQ and for that postion, a low Football IQ means a terrible career at that position, or at best become a career backup…This season is huge for him, he will have his shot, so we will see…

by Rodney Sacramento on Mar 16, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am not denying that he won’t be a solid player. I just don’t think he has the skill set yet to be a 4-3 OLB. he might be a passable starter but nothing worth noting at all.

Yeah, he tackles well but its because he played in cleveland that made him not wrap up the ballcarrier consistently…right?

Cleveland…that was the city that made Derek Anderson throw Interceptions too…and Cleveland made Braylon Drop balls, right???

it is idiotic to blame a city or a team on the fact that a guy couldn’t consistently tackle. Last year, he had rob ryan as a D-Coordinator…an excellent Coordinator. I would also say Grantham wasn’t bad either…the cleveland D Coordinators are put down but they were solid coaches.

you cannot blame them completely for the inefficiencies on a player, just like you cannot blame the teacher or punish the teacher if the student does poorly…sometimes the student just doesn’t have the ability to excel in a certain subject.

he might play solid football, but I have questions about him playing OLB in a 4-3.

It is funny how you start to go on a tangent about Russell and how he could have a good year…

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by bross09 on Mar 16, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hell, ya Braylon dropped balls!!! he wanted out! Anderson: no one taught him the fundamentals... lame playbook too

shakey QB, Mangini cant run shit, he is a defensive cordinator, Rob Ryan GREAT cheer leader, as a loud mouth he does get players pumped up, but doesnt really teach or relate to players. When we had Rob our guys didnt wrap up…hmmm. Plus the Winters are damn COLD and snowy over there…does affect players born in sunny places.(Wimbley born in Kansas baron desert there) Not a bad city just: Bad Coach, staff and owner (as we have that problem too). Plus I did some research and noticed there is a big dropoff of his stats in the later weeks of the season because its cold. Not saying your city sux just saying weather can have an effect.

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by JaggerJaw on Mar 16, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

that is a good point with winter weather. however, he has played 4 seasons in cleveland and if he can’t tackle in the cold after playing in it for 4 years, maybe he can’t just tackle. it is actually not significantly harder to tackle in the snow…what is hard is to throw it.

That may be true about the weather being a dropoff…however, his stats had already started to drop by early november. i know november is later in the season, but I remember the weather from november. we had a warm november. the november did not see much snow and it saw weather that at times almost felt like spring…

maybe braylon did drop balls because he wanted out…he got shipped to NY…guess what he did? He dropped more balls! Its a miracle! It was all the fault of NY too to make him drop balls…he just wasn’t happy here and used that as an excuse for the drops. his happiness had nothing to do with his play b/c he still didn’t play well in NY.

Anderson: even if he was taught the fundamentals, he would not have been able to do much. he just isn’t a good QB. he has MAJOR accuracy issues and issues with his decision making. even in his “great” season, there were problems. In fact, my favorite example starts with your raiders. He threw an INT in the end zone when trying to squeeze it into double coverage to hit braylon edwards. this lost us the game. Next week he faced the ravens and their great D. He has a short pass, he wants to get it to Edwards, what does he do? He throws another pick. thankfully we didn’t lose the game. However, DA has constantly had bad decision making and just isn’t fit to be an NFL QB…even if he was taught the fundamentals he would still be bad. He just doesn’t learn from his mistakes.

Rob ryan is actually a darn good D-Coordinator. HE took a defense that was injury plagued and turned them into one of the top 10 defenses at getting to the QB. Even if you took away wimbley’s sacks, we were still top 15 in the league. He had terrible players and even though we had an incredible pass rush, we still let up a ton of big passing plays…the defense just has no talent.

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by bross09 on Mar 17, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

yep. I am rooting for you guys too.

I just wanted to point out that DA is just a bad QB an I dunno how much coaching had to do with it.

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by bross09 on Mar 17, 2010 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wauffle, and former Cleveland lb coach Haluchak

it cannot hurt. This guy will be further along than if he had no prior rapport with the guy.

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by brhynno on Mar 15, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Speed

Okay, the Raiders got another speed rusher, now where is the run stopping NT and run stopping MLB? I hope, as many others do, in the draft.

by Mallard Davis - aka Locutus on Mar 15, 2010 9:38 AM PDT reply actions  

what about landing andra davis? he could fill our mlb need

good against the run and mean. heard some talk about oakland interested.

by rodeosnake12 on Mar 15, 2010 9:47 AM PDT reply actions  

Me Too

But, he needs to be an OLB and get a run stuffing MLB.

by Mallard Davis - aka Locutus on Mar 15, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Kirk would improve with a better DL in front of him

Get a huge NT who takes up two blockers yet still provides a pass rush and run stuff, and Kirk wouldnt have pulling guards hitting him.

In Bruce We Trust

by Remix. on Mar 15, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

He needs to be on the outside

I would like to keep him and Howard but they really are just OLBs. However, if we keep him or not we still have a huge need for a NT and a MLB (just my 2-cents, I would like to have Angerer).

I really don’t hold out too much hope for next season unless we get a true NT.

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by SBcitizen on Mar 15, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is young, fast, and had a lot of sacks

Good pick up I think

But was it for a 3rd rounder or what exactly?

He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is

by WarWolf on Mar 15, 2010 1:18 PM PDT reply actions  

yes. for the 85th pick. I think the deal works for both teams and what they want to do.

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by bross09 on Mar 15, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dan Williams is rated as a better NT prospect than Brian Price

He is massive & is also a great lunch-pail type of player. If Andre Davis is available I don’t understand why we haven’t snatched him up since it seems almost certain Al isn’t using the 8th pick on McClain? I do like the Wimbley pickup but not for a 3rd though. The bright side is this guy produced 6.5 sacks last year under Rob Ryan’s defense at OLB. He should benefit from better coaching under Waufle & Marshall who when he was allowed to came up with great blitz schemes & also seems natural as a 4-3 end. Best case scenario, we draft for D this year to improve that side of the ball & continue utilizing a 4-3/3-4 hybrid type defense much more consitently also mixing in the zone-blitz on occasion. If we play tougher defensively & Doc B wins the starting job we can win alot more low scoring close games this year.

by TAW on Mar 15, 2010 2:21 PM PDT reply actions  

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