Oakland Raider News: Rating The Oakland Raiders Off Season So Far
As of March 18th the Oakland Raiders have excersised the Addition by Subtraction Model of success and I must say that it looks to be shaping up for a great draft.
I know that I am missing some moves, so add them to the thread and I'll fill them in.
Gone:
Justin Fargas (Overpaid), Gerard Warren (Overpaid), Greg Ellis (Old), Cornell Green (Played Out)
Added:
Yamon Figurs (Upgrade over Russell/Reese/Holland on Kick Returns), Kemerion Wimbley (Youth and Speed)
Kept:
Richard Seymour (Necesary), Khalif Barnes (Upgrade over Green), Sea-Bass (Necesary)
From looking at that list, I'd have to say that we will add a DT, to replace Warren, with a high pick in the draft and other than that it has been pretty quiet, but, actually compared to the last two seasons of FA signings and trades, that is a good thing.
I would have loved it IF we stepped up and signed Dunta Robinson, but other than that there hasn't really been a FA or player that has been traded for that has made me think twice.
Good job Raiders, I'll give you a B for the off-season, so far.
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it has been pretty quick and low key thus far which is good news.
what has taken place with whos gone and whos here has been necessary i think. i would mind if the raiders looked into FA’s Trotter and now Vasher. 2 players that have been put aside the past 2 seasons growing apart from their teams and coaches a little. i think they could fill a need here for a year or 2 and this all depends on what Al is pondering for the draft. thus far im overall happy with the team decisions.
i would agree with the B grade
I personally would have to agree with the B grade. I think there is still plenty of talent on our squad this season. I Loved the wat Fargas ran the ball and his attitude however he was a little to brittle for my liking and wore down towards the end of the season. Warren overpaid and not good enough at this stage in his carreer.. I personally liked Ellis on our dline. Yes he is a bit old but he still brings leadership to the locker room. But I know we have to get younger and more talented on the D-Line. Im hoping we do a few things in the draft. First of all address the lack of talent in the middle of our d-line with the 1st rd pick. 2nd, address the lack of talent on the outside of our O-line in the 2nd rd. The class has enough talent to pick up a good OT in the 2nd rd that we can groom to start next season. Lastly address our lack of talent at the linebacker level. I think we might be able to get Will Weatherspoon or someone of that talent level in the 3rd rd of the draft. All in all I am just happy Al didn’t try to bring in 3-5 overrated players like he has in the past few seasons. Off to a good start so far.
Key Words
So far
Al can totally ruin all this progress with one silly pick. And that silly pick be either Taylor Mays or Bruce Cambell. Otherwise, this draft is almost fool prove.
I like the way things are going and besides the Routt tender and the failure to RESIGN Richard, everything seems dandy
In Bruce We Trust
F grade, maybe D-
You left out that riduculous 1st and 2nd round tender on that bum Routt. Speaking of corners, where is ours? Nathan Vasher is available, we let Robinson resign. Other than Nnamdi we have WEAK corners. Fargas was the only reliable back we had. I would have cut D-mac. On top of that we resigned Charlie Frye?? He is HORRIBLE! Worse than Russell in my opinion. We should have defiantely made a play for Anderson or Quinn. I don’t care if they are 3rd string they are 10 times better than Jabustus or Frye. So we cut old guys that produce instead of the young ones who don’t. Sounds like Old AL logic. This offseason thus far has been a collosal fail!
If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you.
by Parental Advisory on Mar 18, 2010 10:59 AM PDT reply actions
Id consider the resigning of Frye and releasing of Fargas good moves
Frye is a solid back up and a coach from the sidelines and even though we all love Fargas, he was getting old and being taking snaps from our 2 HB’s who have real bright futures under our new OC
In Bruce We Trust
Whoa Whoa Whoa..
Is Vasher a MAN Corner? And until I see more from Robinson, I’m against it. Anderson is WORSE Than Russell, and we ALL know this.
You are right about the first and third round tenders. and Cutting D-Mac after 2 years?
Honestly, you DON’T wait until after just 2 years to cut a player. It’s the truth…that’s bad business.
In Bruce We Trust
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Mar 18, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with you but about different things. This team biggest problem beside the coaching staff and the owner is the offensive and defensive line. Plus out of all our QB’s on our team who is proven no one. I don’t know who we can get at qb since everyone wants so much for one, but unless Bruce, Russell, or Frye can be combined into one QB we are in trouble.
No in Bruce you want to BLOW
Everyone in Raider Nation is living on a prayer with Bruce or any other QB on this team. Man I give Bruce credit for the 2 wins but I didn’t special. If you did please tell me so I can be so excited.
Then prepare to witness Progression this season.
I really dont know what YOU look for in a QB. If you don’t look for dedication, gym rat, film fiend, then I really don’t know What The Fu.ck, You are looking for in a QB. If perhaps U want a talked-up QB, then repeat the same shit that happened with Russell. It takes dedication and want to achieve greatness not just talent alone. (Grad will not be some kind of Savior, but he will be a catylist for this team to win some games) (8-8).
The RaiderLaker
YES
I know what to look for in a QB. Dedication, film Fiend and working out can only get you so far. You have to look at his Body of work Bruce’s body of work looks worse than Russell’s. Everyone talks like whenever Bruce walked on the field we scored, I watched the Jets and Cowboys game when bruce was playing no points. Those were the best defensive we saw this year and what did we do nothing. Bottom line we don’t have qb on our team bruce can work hard until he turns blue he still isn’t a proven NFL QB. Number sometimes Lie but they don’t on our team we were Awful with Russell and bad with who ever else. Russell Worst season 107 ypg bruce best season 143 ypg so I guess a about 40 yards more per games is going to win more games
Hang on a second, Micheal Y
I was there at the Cincinnati game and watched the Pittsburgh game when Bruce made clutch throws on 3rd and long and on a 4th down – when we had to have a play – Grad got it done. The Jets game was his first real playing time for the Raiders and he while he didn’t look spectacular the situation was so horrible that Manning couldn’t have done much better – we were 24 pts down when he came in and the Jets knew we had to pass. In Dallas Grad was good – yes good – I watched every play and he did everything possible in the 2 seconds we had – Cable made no adjustments and called the most uninspired repulsive game in his miserable career (until Cleveland) may the fires of hell consume him.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 18, 2010 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh Man!
You were there against Cincy? Was that place off the hook? Theres nothing like jumping around with fellow fans as we score!
In Bruce We Trust
There was great joy and many tears - strangers were blabbering to each other and exchanging hugs
and high-5’s. It was the most enjoyable game I’ve ever been to. The Raiders came from behind and like the Raiders of old snatched victory in the final seconds after a late series of clutch plays one after the next.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 20, 2010 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Do you know if the raiders are facing anyone around New England(not the patriots specifically, i'm talking about around new england)? Anywhere close by?
I’d like to try and talk to my parents to see if we can get some tickets.
Javon Walker
Didn’t we release Javon Walker also?
by Chris Klinefelter on Mar 18, 2010 11:23 AM PDT reply actions
Grade
I’d probably go with a “B-” or “C+” so far. I’m not disappointed with anything and I’m not really overwhelmed with anything. Cutting guys like Warren and Walker shouldn’t warrant high grades. It was almost common sense.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 18, 2010 11:24 AM PDT reply actions
Gotta give some credit for moves
that would be considered common sense elsewhere because sense aint so common where Al is in charge.
by sballdayerday on Mar 18, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
"F" as it stands right now
Besides resigning Bruce Gradkowski and letting go Justin fargas. The raiders have done nothing but keep the same ole lame line up they used from last year which includes most of the front office/Tom Cable in this case. My mind might change depending on the Draft tho but I won’t get my hopes up especially looking at all the bust we picked in the past….
"The scope of the Raiders' problems spans beyond the quarterback position"
finally some words of wisdom. I guess people forgot that these same players(bums) led us to a 5-11 record. If there is improvement please show me. So we resigned our kicker. YAY! Please tell me that Yamon Figurs can alter a game……hahah, you can’t. This team has been so bad for so long that doing nothing seems like we are doing something to some of you all. This team needs to be rebuilt from the ground up.
If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you.
by Parental Advisory on Mar 18, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Ummm...A good Kick/Punt returner can alter a game, lmao
We had BAD kick returners, hence, bad field position when opposing teams kicked off or punted… Overall, it can help, It can alter a game.
The RaiderLaker
Oh yeah I forgot that Joshua Cribbs took the Browns to the superbowl last year. my bad.
If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you.
by Parental Advisory on Mar 18, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, he won the superbowl for the Bears in 2000Never. What is the no argument you guys have here? A K/R gives you good feild position and a TD here and there.
If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you.
by Parental Advisory on Mar 18, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, and feild position is pointless when you have an offense that can’t score.
If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you.
by Parental Advisory on Mar 18, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Didnt Hester have like 6-7 TDs that year?
If your saying he had NO effect on the Bears record and playoff performance than you are completely idiotic. KR/PR are huge factors of the game, and field position isn’t pointless if your team is weak offensively. In fact, It should benifeit the team seeing it makes it that much easier to score
In Bruce We Trust
Field position doesn't bother the Raiders 'cause we got SeaBass
He can kick the ball the lenngth of the field!
You just hold the ball, Shane, and I’ll kick the bloody piss out of it.
Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast.
It takes one significant play to alter a game...'nuff said, shut your mouth.
“I am so pessimistic, and I’m an ass” “Our offense wont be able to score because The new OC sucks even though I haven’t seen him call plays, oh and gradkowski wont make a difference either, we wont score points, i’ll write him off because im an ass and pessimistic” “A kick/punt returner wont make a difference” “F grade”
The RaiderLaker
7 losing seasons….you give me some tangable players and maybe I will be optimistic. Until then STFU
If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you.
by Parental Advisory on Mar 19, 2010 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Man not only do we have the same players we have the same sorry coaching staff. The only thing is I think they need to start from the top Al Davis theGM, Al Davis The Head Coach, Al Davis the Offensive and Defensive Coordinator, Al Davis the Public Public Relations to the team, and last but not least Al Davis the meddling owner.
Give it a fucking rest - Al isn't going anywhere - that'a a given. You're giving Al way to much credit for the shit Cable
brought us last year – mismanaged talent, mind-numbing play calling, no variation in strategy – don’t lay this at Al’s door other than the fact he hasn’t fired him or that he every hired the bloated Vandal to begin with.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 18, 2010 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
who was the man that hired cable tho?
Al Davis just needs to stop hiring these random mad man coaches lolz ,and get us someone more real like Jon gruden or Bill cowher
"The scope of the Raiders' problems spans beyond the quarterback position"
Average At Best
I gave em a C. Addition by subtraction is good, but in my book does not warrant a B. The LB trade helps the pass rush (replaces Ellis) but nothing to help stopping the run. Getting rid of dead wood is good. The Raiders needed to make ONE splashy move in free agency.
B grade
Only because you can only compare the Raiders to themselves. They’ve gotten rid of people we never thought they would but we wanted them to in Green, Warren, and Alston. Fargas is gone leaving more carries for Bush, which is always a good thing. The tenders placed on Morrison and Howard are spot on; I’d be fairly surprised if Morrison is back. Getting Grad resigned as he should start for in the meantime between finally cutting Russel and finding a new future QB. Resigning Frye as he truly IS a 3rd string QB; he basically is an assistant TO THE QB coach. No huge ridiculous FA signings; we learned our lesson on that front. JR having someone assigned to watch him; I think after last season things are starting to set in with Al about who this kid really is, or is not. I think there is still a good possibility he get cut sometime in training camp provided he doesn’t have some miraculous QB-epiphany.
Things I have fail to understand are mainly the Routt tender and still keeping around JR. We were going to keep Routt, no one can disagree with that, but putting that tender on him and thus providing him that salary? I have no idea.
As it relates ONLY to the Raiders, it’s been an above average off-season so far for them, though only slightly above.
Cable Bumaye! Raiders Bumaye!
Compare
I guess you have to grade compared to what the Raiders have done in the past . Other teams have made numerous seemingly impact player free agent signings. What grade would you give them if they bring in TO?
by Mallard Davis on Mar 18, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I use to be for signing TO, But not anymore
I would give Ol’ Al a D if they signed him, just because we have young WR’s who need there reps
In Bruce We Trust
I still don't know how I fell about TO
Can he still play? Yes, but not at the price he wants. I doubt he would come in and be a veteran leader for the WR-corp; I just don’t think that’s his style. I just don’t think he’d bring us any benefit. I would rather they spent the FA period trying to improve both sides of the line and/or the RCB position.
Cable Bumaye! Raiders Bumaye!
RCB
Yeah, I was disappointed with the play of Chris Johnson last year.
by Mallard Davis on Mar 18, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I think everyone was. Especially after how great he played in the previous season and his training camp (remember how people were saying Routt had come into his own and was challenging CJ).
Cable Bumaye! Raiders Bumaye!
Anything is better then Darius no hands-bey lol
Even T.O would put up better numbers then that chump would lol. way to go Al Davis you got another better with speed yet he doesn’t know how to play the f***ing game….
"The scope of the Raiders' problems spans beyond the quarterback position"
Dont forget about the hirings
OC-Hue Jackson. I consider that a HUUUGE improvement
DL Coach- Mike Wauffle. He should really motivate Kelly and our young guys
In Bruce We Trust
Staff + Players Adds Up to a "B" Grade
ThankYou…At least someone looks past their nose…And we can continue to add to the list as time goes along in a calm controlled fashion…
We've added 2 players to the roster and subracted 5 ... maybe if we elimated 4 or 5 more we'd rate an A in your book
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 18, 2010 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Sub what is dead Add what is still growing
Ah!!!…How did you figure that one out…Check the roster again….Are we under the 53 man final count already…Is it the end of training camp already….Didn’t I say “And we can continue to add to the list as time goes along in a calm controlled fashion”…Now please go back and finish reading something before you speak because I hate it when a fan makes a fool of himself publicly….I know because I do it all the time…
So in your brain either Wimbley and Figure are more than equal to Ellis, Fargus, Green, Alston and Warren ... or....
replacing the DL coach (Board) with Waffle and adding an OC take us all the way to a B. If I am a fool it’s not for my response to your lame comment.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 22, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Sea-Bass
but I think we overpaid him. The rest of the moves or OK which rates a ‘C’ in my book. By our recent standards I would give a higher grade if we are grading on a curve.
Are you kidding?
Janikowski has got a shot at breaking the all time record for longest field goal.
His story is pure Raider.
Grade inflation
has been and remains a problem in this country. I don’t like the Raiders’ modus operandi, especially the ways they try to manufacture reports. If Tim Kawakami is right, JR weighed 271 pounds when he checked on Tuesday. And if so, Willie Brown blew smoke.
I haven’t voted for a grade yet – I hate grading. But I am very, very tempted to give them a D-.
At this point, C+
Positive Moves:
1. Bringing in Hue Jackson to relieve Cable (and all of us) from the oaf’s play calling and game ‘strategy’.
2. Replacing DL coach Dwaine Board with Mike Waffle
3. Bringing on Lionel Washington to coach DBs (he’s a Raider and knows his shit)
4. Releasing Cornell Green (a one-man disaster to sustained drives and (teammate) MCLs)
5. Releasing Javon Walker (an obvious move but a great relief that it came about)
6. Signing Bruce Gradkowski (restricted FA)
7. Signing Sebastian Janikowski
8. Acquiring Kam Wimbley (for 3rd round pick)
9. Releasing Gerard Warren
10. Acquiring Yamon Figurs
Neutral Moves:
1. Releasing Justin Fargas
2. Releasing Greg Ellis (he did well for us but we must do better)
3. Signing Khalif Barnes
4. Signing Charlie Frye (restricted FA)
Bad Moves:
1. Retaining Cable (Tom is loser and we will never hit double digit wins with him as HC)
2. Continuing with the failed O-line Zone-blocking scheme
3. Designating Rich Seymour as restricted Franchise Player and paying him $12,398,000/year (for past
achievements elsewhere and vain hopes for hell knows what.
4. Signing 6 year non-starter, Stanford Routt, to a multi-million dollar contract
5. Failure to trade Carlisle and upgrade Guard through FA (we can’t fix this line enough through the draft in 1 year and
O-linemen quality flattens out mid-way through the 2nd Round)
6. Failure to sign Thomas Howard – if we lose him we’re in deep shit – and not paying the man what he’s worth is
wrong (especially when guys like Routt are making obscene money for nothing)
I agree with most of it
I would put the Richard Seymour tagging in Neutral and the Non-Signing of Thomas Howard in Really Bad
In Bruce We Trust
Im willing to bet that we can make the playoffs with Cable as the HC. Keeping Cable was not a bad move whatsoever. (as a play caller he sux ass I admit)
Thats where Jackson comes in, I would put him (Cable) in the Neutral category…continuity is not bad at all. We hire some other new ass and we will not know what to expect. (good ones won’t come) Seymour is neutral also imo, they need one more playmaker in the middle (draft) to get double teams (NT) and it would be a well designated tag for sey.
The RaiderLaker
I agree
But i think that Rout is a very bad move, not just a bad move. Let’s face it, his best play all year was a horse collar on Stokely. He got burned and only just barely saved a touchdown. Then the rest of the defense bailed him out.
Not signing Howard is also very bad. I cant help but wonder how good our LB’s could be if our DL could get consistant pressure and maintain their gap assignments. I know Morrison and Howard are two of the best coverage ‘backers in the NFL, but i wonder how a good defensive line would help them out. Maybe they would be alot better if they were not always chasing RB’s down from behind….
I think the zone blocking scheme is trash. really, we only had one good year of success with it and that was a few seasons ago. Lets reistall a traditional power blocking scheme and man handle the opponents with Raider football.
I really wish that they would have cut Russel. I have no faith in his abilities. I know that QB is a tough position to learn in the NFL. I know that even with lots of hard work and dedication it still takes some QB’s up to three seasons to blossom. So look at it this way. They say Russel is putting forth the effort, I am not convinced….. but while his biggest competition has been in the practice facility for weeks, he missed training because he was buying a house? that couldnt have waited? So anyway, he is now trying to make it work in the NFL….at year four? so if we say that it takes up to three years to blossom with hard work and dedication, it could be up to year seven before he really blossoms? I dont think he is worth the time or the money. Losing weight is fine, but unless it was his fat ass that causes him to miss so many passes, i dont foresee it helping.
I am also of the few that sees Fargas being cut as a positive. He was a good RB, no doubt, but he will never be great. He hit his ceiling and his weaknesses were glaring. No ability to block in pass coverage, or catch a pass, so that took him out on passing downs. He also was very injury prone, that is due impart to him being more of a wrecking ball with no reguard for his body. I think this will free up alot of carries for both DMC and Bush. Get those horses the ball!
Lastly, if Jackson can bring som inspired offense to the team, he is a major plus. Lets get some innovation in there. Some wildcat, some double half back sets, Mcfadden split wide, three receiver sets, Miller split out wide, maybe some no huddle, power running and finally, some decent play action!!!
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/JaMarcus-Russell-is-reportedly-271-pounds.html
When we were at the Senior Bowl in Russell’s hometown of Mobile, Ala., we spoke to several of his associates from his high school days.
And the consensus among them was that Russell’s biggest problem was his diet and tendency to not work out on a consistent basis.
Whoever says that off-field behavior doesn’t matter is deluded.
by Spirals galore on Mar 18, 2010 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Routt Not Guaranteed
That money is only speculation…He can still be cut and that money given to another player according to what I have seen…
BUT....
we both know its not going to happen. he was given that tender so no other team could have him. The Raiders knew that no one would give them those picks, i bet if they threw a third round tender on him, no one would have touched him. He is a dime corner at best.
So why would the Raiders put that tender on him and deny themselves a pick? They have every intention of paying him way too much money.
also a bad move>>>>>>>>>>>>>
not releasing j russell., and not hiring jon gruden or any coach better than the cable guy!
by sports with steve on Mar 19, 2010 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
also lets see how we do on the draft!
hopefully we dont screw that up and we can give the raiders a decent grade!
by sports with steve on Mar 19, 2010 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Insurance Policy
I think we go after the “CB” or “S” so if that happens Routt is released just like last year…
A $4,000,000 insurance policy! Hah. Al could have kept him making $621,550 /yr and had the same policy
unless you believe other teams were seriously interested in Routt? Laughable.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 22, 2010 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Could have been an A if they'd cut ties with JaCarass
and Stanford Routt, instead of paying both salaries way out of sync with their performance levels. Salaries that could be better spent on almost anything else.
I am not going to grade this off season yet.. I will say that we should give serious
thought to signing TO if it doesn’t cost us much. He will bring a much needed vet to the receiving corps..TO has great work ethic, and is still one of the top receivers in the league in production. He is also a player that teams will have to game plan for, especially when you consider the speed of our other wideouts. Also, he would be great for the young guys, because TO works on his craft, if he didn’t he would not be able to play at that level at his age. Do not believe for a split second that our receivers are great, we DON’T have a great receiver on this roster, what we have is a track team and none are consistent. I believe in time they will come around, but TO lends immediate credibility to our receiving corps. And I believe his confidence will flow right to our other receivers.
by Rodney Sacramento on Mar 18, 2010 4:56 PM PDT reply actions
Not for 5 million a year...
…also I don’t think he is the type of guy to be a mentor.
Cable Bumaye! Raiders Bumaye!
I would say a C-
Nobody is worth $4 mil a year, much less a kicker for a team that only gets 17 xpa’s in a season along with 30 fgas. It doesn’t matter what his percentage is, that contract is ridiculous. Also last I checked Jafatturd is still cashing checks & getting $10 mil for this year. Another brilliant off-season move is giving $3 mil with a 1st & 3rd rd tender to Routt. WTF!!!!??? Also if these 3 were traded or cut I believe the team could have signed Seymour long-term for less than the frachise tag amount given. However all the cuts & no huge paydays to overrated free agents (see Julius Peppers) makes this a C- instead of a F.
Even if we had a QB we won’t have a Oline and if we had a oline we don’t have a QB that can lead us to the playoffs. On top of all that If we had Peyton Manning, the Jets offensive line Chris Johnson or AP running the ball, Andre Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald. Who do we have to coach them. Even if you throw in all the top coaches AL will just run them out of town or trade them so he gets all the credit. We will not win with this island of misfit coaches. Until we get a Head Coach that can bring in his own coaches and not deal with a Hanson problem we are doomed. Talent alone doesn’t win games this isn’t college football.
True that TAW, some times I just don't understand the decisions Al makes, well most
of the time I don’t…I agree with you completely..I do believe since we are wasting money we should sign TO..Last season everyone cried when I said sign Mike Vick, however, he would have been great until we fix our QB problem…Vick or Grad..go figure…And Vick would have cost no more than Grad is…
by Rodney Sacramento on Mar 18, 2010 5:36 PM PDT reply actions
Actually I would have liked to give Vick a shot but trading for him doesn't look too wise.
He is due $5 mil this year & for a guy who is a lefty on a team who is weak at right tackle; he better be ready to run for his life. Also I have no idea what the deal is with Hue Jackson & if he is just a product of a good coaching staff & good personell people around him in Baltimore. How much of an upgrade is he to what this team already has?
D is the best I can give here
At least until we cut Ja-Carcass, he better be a changed QB or he will get cut at the 53 man cut down in August.
I can only hope and pray!
NO MERCY!
He will not be a changed man
When the ancient Greeks described the winner, they spoke of their innate drive to execute the “kill.” How did they know if the drive is genuine? By observing the winner in a non-combat, peaceful situation – he still had this drive (messing up everything in his sight as a result). Did they think the non-combat behavior was excusable? No. But they still knew the warrior from the wannabe softie – JR is Paris, not Achilles.
by Spirals galore on Mar 18, 2010 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions
TO is not a 5 million a year guy in today's market..I would love to have him, but for half that
I would give him 5 million for two years. Mentor!!! He doesn’t have to be a mentor, all he has to do is make plays, he has a great work ethic and he practices hard as well. The other receivers can’t help but benefit from that. Vick, was a deal last year not now..Yet he is stil better than any QB on this roster, it just costs to get him now.. Go figure…No vision, Vick sould have been jumped on last year..And if the tackle is soft, Vick is a talented athlete, more than you can say for any QB on this roster, and he makes other players better…No matter, he won’t where Silver and Black..TO is a great option, I am sure to get flack from this, however, a play maker is what we need on Offense, and TO is just that, he requires a defensive coordinators attention or he will burn you…Something no one on our offense requires…But again when all your wishes for mediocrity come true the Raiders will be 4-12..If they go into the season like this, forget it…Point Blank…Even with the draft picks, won’t matter, no play maker, no addtional wins…Simple..
by Rodney Sacramento on Mar 18, 2010 8:06 PM PDT reply actions
And I have been a Raider fan since the 1960's, We have enough talent now that a TO
would make a difference…If Moss was here now, it would be a huge difference now, 1 playmaker at that position and we win 4 to 5 additional games minimum…,
by Rodney Sacramento on Mar 18, 2010 8:08 PM PDT reply actions
"BM" would be a better fit
“WR” is an area of need…“BM” is a very talented player from the Donko’s and I wouldn’t be surprised or disappointed if we go after him in time…He may be motivated to play against the “MuleHeads”…On the other hand he may also live up to his initials and be no more than a Bowl Movement with the Raiders….Who the hell knows but what other “WR” is out there worth going after…“TO”….Yikes!!!…
“QB” is still an area of need and I campaigned for Micheal “DawgMan” Vick last season so will again now…His legs and his versatility would give us another weapon that the "D"s have to defend against…That is if this coaching staff can get their collective heads out of their asses and figure out how to utilize the talent we have on the field….
“CB” is also an are of need and don’t be surprised if we draft one with the 8th pick…If the “DT” n “OT” are already off the board expect it to be the “DE” or “CB”…Al wont pick the second best at any position this high in the draft…He will always go for the best player at any position 1st…
So what happened last year….He took the “WR” who was the best in his eyes and the one that was projected to be the best never suited up for a single game in SadFran so maybe the “OldMan” new something the rest didn’t…..Not to say “DHB” was impressive but maybe he could have done some damage if our coaches had any idea how to utilize him and the rest of the talent on the “O”…
At this point there are far too many unknowns yet to be settled…
With the 8th pick the Raiders select-
Joe Haden Scouting Report
By Matt McGuire
- Strengths: Ridiculous level of production
- Terrific closing burst
- Eliminates space quickly
- Breaks on ball smoothly
- Has long speed to play on island
- Very fluid hips
- Physical corner; gets nice jam at LOS
- Takes on blocks
- Really lays the wood for a corner
- Terrific in run support
- Nice ball skills
- Locates the football well in air
- Nice timing on jump balls
- Has soft hands
- Effective on corner/nickel blitz (3 sacks, 3 hurries in 2009)
- Played a lot of press man coverage
- Well coached
- Intense football player
- Wonderful skill set
- Still has some upside
Weaknesses:
- Lacks some awareness and instincts
- Could anticipate routes better
- Sometimes loses focus
- Vulnerable to inside moves
- Some question listed height
- Unimpressive in zone
Summary: Joe Haden is a very talented cornerback with a very well-rounded game, but some teams might be scared off by his lacking instincts, which is critical at the NFL level where pro receivers are great route runners. Haden’s level of production and consistency will get him drafted in the top 15 picks. He is one of the better cornerback prospects in the last couple years. He shut down Alabama receiver Julio Jones in the 2009 SEC Championship.
It would cerainly help us to bring in Haden - no argument there. But does it help us as much as trading up and getting Suh
or trading down and getting Iupati? Depends on your take of the CJ/Routt CB options …
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 18, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Does Al trade down...
Trading up would be nice but at what cost and with whom….TB maybe…That would be the 3rd….And what will that position cost us in an uncapped yr….Tremendous I think….There may be several teams interested in trading down for that reason so anything is possible…
I also like the “S” but we should be strong there if “MM” is ready this year…
Put Haden across from Nnamdi and back him up with a “S” like “MM” and see if the “QB” wants to test him or go at Nnamdi…Could be very interesting…This kid is born to be a Raider with his strong M-M Press Coverage skills and desire to lay the wood…
by PantyRaider on Mar 18, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I saw his pro day today
Joe looks real good! Not just fast and athletic. But great in coverage and hard htting! I really wouldnt mind this pick. Im not sure about his instincts though, I hear he has a terrific nose for the ball.
In Bruce We Trust
No way Al takes Haden, too slow and his 40 speed did NOT improve at his pro day...PantyRaider, I do feel you, however, we need to
draft a tackle, and let me put you on to a little secret…We should select Tony Washington OT from Abilene Christan, he would be a steal in the 3rd or 4th round, he as off the field issues that stem from when he was a juvenile, he will have to register as a sex offender…This kid made a huge mistake when he was 16 inexcusable and though it was consensual, it was wrong and should have never happened, however, all parties are over what happened and he is not a predator, something that is of the highest concern. This kid was a D2 All American and rated higher than most Tackles at the combine, he would fix our Tackle issues for years to come if we could grab him in the first 4 rounds somewhere. We need to take a Tackle at 8 and try to draft Washington later, that would set out O Line for years to come and he is a beast…I still like TO, more for what he can do with building the confidence of our other receivers..
by Rodney Sacramento on Mar 19, 2010 5:26 AM PDT reply actions
wow - he's huge at 6'7" and 295 pounds
http://www.sportsfanlive.com/sflreports/entry/sportsfanlive_com_exclusive_lineman_s
One of the comments in the article above asks why he, and not his sister, was the one labeled as sexual offender.
by Spirals galore on Mar 19, 2010 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions

At combine, he was 311 (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=89137&draftyear=2010&genpos=OT).
by Spirals galore on Mar 19, 2010 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Got that right Spirals galore, I would use our second round pick on him if he is there and draft
one of the top Tackles at 8..and fill other positions later, remember, training camps release players and there are still some good vets out the at LB…If we look hard we can find help at corner also, but OL is in big need of youth and and grabbing 1 on the three top Tackles at 8 and Washington in the 2nd would do wonders for our protection….
by Rodney Sacramento on Mar 19, 2010 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions
his reformation was the result of a lot of support at Abilene Christian,
which is a concern. Will he be able to stand on his own, without the constant “surveillance”?
by Spirals galore on Mar 19, 2010 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Deep South guys suck in Oakland mainly for that reason - most of them have no self-discipline and rely on DS/SEC
drill-instructor type coaches and staff to keep them fit and their heads from turning to every decadence available. I say boycott players from all five DS states including Alabama. Watching film of Cody and McClain only reinforces my prejudice that these guys like the others will fail in Oakland, slothful pythons in trees have more hustle.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 19, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
...But what about with Cable?
Nnamdi said he was a players coach and motivating, and Cable is/was an O-line coach. Could be the best time for that kind of kid to fit in at Oakland. Plus his Agent is a former Raider…so who knows.
Cable Bumaye! Raiders Bumaye!
Did Cable motivate the team after we beat Philadelphia 13-9? No, we suffered the biggest home loss
in our franchise’s history – Jets 38 Raiders 0. Did Cable motivate the team after Grad & Co. beat Cincinnati 20-17? No, we were obscenely unprepared in Dallas and Cable looked like a deer in the headlights – we suffered a humiliating 24-7 loss in front of the turkey-fed nation. What about Cable’s motivating the team after we beat the Steelers at home 27-24? We had our asses kicked the following week at home by Washington, of all teams. Then there was the Denver victory, 20-19 followed by a flat performance in Cleveland with arguably the most stupid play calling and game strategy ever heard of.
In interviews Cable says things like, “everyone’s to blame” and “we’re improving” and “we’re ready for the next step”. The fact is, some are to blame and others are not and the improvement is followed by decline – there is no consistency or discipline whatsoever with Cable as HC. I hope he has diarrhea this moment.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 19, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not supporting Cable
personally I think he’s a strategic retard. I was regurgitating what players have said about him.
Although I will say I am glad he is back just for the sake of consistency. There is no coach that we would have brought in that would turn this team around at this point in time (based on the fact that the organization is not going to change). The best thing to do is surround him with good assistants, like Hue Jackson, and let him grow into a HC role like we would a draft pick. Hopefully he’s worked out the kinks and can coach the team well in this organization or we continue to wait for a major organizational overhaul until we can start making SB runs again.
Cable Bumaye! Raiders Bumaye!
are you serious?
Joe Haden ran a 4.57 at the combine, and he ran a 4.39 at the Florida Pro Day. Had he run that time at the combine, it would have been second fastest amongst CBs, behind only Devin McCourty. That is not an improvement?
According to Haden, he hadn’t run as poorly as a 4.5 since ninth grade. Dude is a burner and you are ignorant.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I had heard on ESPN that Haden’s dad said Haden ran poorly at the combine because he had a strained back at the combine.
Cable Bumaye! Raiders Bumaye!
that was true
he had some time to heal and ran very fast at the Pro Day. He was disappointed by his poor time at the combine and is glad he could show how fast he really is. 4.39 is pretty much in line with what he usually runs. Anyone who watched game film on him knew that the 4.59 was a joke.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I had no idea how he could say he didn't improve his time, significantly in Florida
Some had him clocked in the sub 4.35s.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Haden is a player and I stand corrected, he ran 4:39 & 4:41, plus he is a ball player
the kid is agreesive, smart, and if healthy will be a top DB in the league..
by Rodney Sacramento on Mar 20, 2010 4:55 AM PDT up reply actions
among the rare prospects at his position I see having the size and ability to man up in our D
so, perhaps a perfect fit. I don’t like the prospect of skipping the OT in the first round in favor of Haden, but won’t be terribly upset if we take Haden, and address the OT and DT with the next two picks.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
The Raiders
Hopefully all this work the past two years pays off, i wanna see the Raiders in the playoffs this Season.
I stand corrected on Haden, he ran 4:39 & 4.41 at his pro day and the kid can flat out play
he will go somewhere after the 10th pick I believe, our needs are O tackle and I do hope we focus on that. On Washington, when you f#&ked up like him, you have to be on point or risk losing it all. It did not require a drill instructor for this kid to know he was blessed with the chance to play college ball, regardelss of the division..He is a player. I was born and raised in Oakland, the Raiders got soft after going to LA. With that said, I can care less about all that character stuff as long as the guy is not a retard…Oakland had its best teams with guys that did not grow up functional homes..Hell, if you are from the hood, chances are football is your break, I can’t count how many opportunities football offered people to leave home and see a different world…So, I am not so hard on that, as long as the off the field issues weren’t for doing things while still in school, going out getting involved in criminal activity, smokin weed, problems with women on campus, etc. this sets off an alarm. But if a kid came through college but had issues as a juvenile, I can care less about that. Hell, I got in a little trouble as a Juvenile growing up in Oakland, yet, I am now an very successful businessman. One has nothing to do with the other. Washington if he is there in the second or third round would settle the O line for years to come, Tackle is the hardest position to fill, so I don’t consider him so great a risk due to his talent..He was 16 when that stuff happened..He knows his status, and that should keep him straight, No passes for him, not from the team, but from the legal system. And history dictates the bias there…
by Rodney Sacramento on Mar 20, 2010 4:54 AM PDT reply actions
Al's Policy
Sorry but if a “DT” or “OT” is already off the board at #8 we will not be selecting the 2nd or 3rd best player at that position regardless of need…Time to look at the best player from a different position instead…
Not great not terrible
I rate this off season B-. We got rid of some fat (Warren, Fargas [great Raider but time has passed for him]) Signed some ok guys and picked up a DE. I think Al is going to draft a DB first although I believe the need is either DT or OL first. We got some stability in the coaching staff with hopefully some autonomy in offensive play calling and line coaching on defense with Wauffle.
I you think we pulled some bonedhead moves take a look at Pete Carrol’s return to the NFL. You signed who? For how much? The third string QB from SD?
I thought we had the market cornered in moves like that.
Dark days for Seattle me thinks.
I am waiting to alter my grade depending on if I drink excessively on Aprill 22 and if I am around and survive and wrist opening in my living room after our first round pick…….unless we make a very good trade up/down/for proven players.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Mar 20, 2010 7:21 AM PDT reply actions
"DB" in the cards
I think it’s obvious…We have no shot at the top “OT” or “DT” without trading up and what would the cost be in an uncapped season….Extreme me thinks…Serviceable talent is available in the 2nd – 3rd so that’s what I expect to see along with a trade and possible signing of a released player late..
“WR” is still the other area of need and I suspect a trade there also….Prolly for “BM” from the “Donkos”…
We have no 1st in 2011…Already sold…

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