JaMarcus Russell : Too Much Too Soon?

One Oakland Raider said ,"That's a horror show." Another starter said "don't hold your breath." These were a few quotes bandied about in the Raiders offices when quarterback JaMarcus Russell failed to show up for the first day of voluntary work-outs.
He showed up the second day 11 pounds over his listed playing weight of 260, but was reportedly still in good shape. It is almost hard to believe the 24 year old Russell is already entering his fourth year of a career. Critics are trying to label him a bust after being the first overall pick in the 2007 draft.
While his rookie year was mostly riding the bench, starting once in four appearances, he was handed the starting job his sophomore year and the strong armed youngster threw 13 touchdowns against eight interceptions.Though it was a positive year for a 23 year old kid, fans wanted more. Unfortunately this was not the case his third year, as he tossed 13 interceptions against 3 touchdowns in a year he lost his starting job to journeyman Bruce Gradkowski.
Now there is a growing sentiment in Raiders Nation that Russell is a failure and Gradkowski should stay atop the depth chart. Yet there is other fears that Russell was perhaps thrown into the fray before he was mentally ready, retarding his growth as a NFL quarterback.
There was a time in the NFL it almost seemed mandatory a quarterback sat a few years before playing. Raiders fans know this from maybe the franchises greatest quarterback, Ken "Snake" Stabler, who rode the pine four years before getting his shot. Stabler responded with the first of his four Pro Bowl years in that 1973 season, and led the Raiders to a Super Bowl win by 1976.
The Pro Football Hall of Fame is full of quarterbacks who had to ride the bench for several years, learning the game before given their chance to display their progress. Len Dawson floated from the Pittsburgh Steelers to the Cleveland Browns to the Dallas Texans/ Kansas City Chiefs before starting full time in his sixth season. Sonny Jurgensen rode the bench for the Philadelphia Eagles before earning the starting job in his fifth year.
The list goes on. In 1973, Roger Staubach entered his fifth year named the full time starter for the first time. He did start ten games in 1971, alternating plays with Craig Morton over half of the season, and led them to a Super Bowl title.Men like Tom Brady and Joe Montana spent most of their first two seasons as reserves.
Perhaps Russell will follow the path of Pittsburgh Steeler legend Terry Bradshaw? Both are noted for having exceptionally strong throwing arms. Bradshaw's first three years saw him toss 58 interceptions and 31 touchdowns. He lost his starting job just past the halfway point of the season into his fourth year and again in his fifth year before claiming it for good. His replacements did not play particularly well either year, but the Steelers did win the Super Bowl in 1974. Bradshaw retired with four Super Bowl titles in his reign.
Sometimes a change of scenery helps. Hall of Famer Bobby Layne was the Chicago Bears first round draft pick in 1948, the third overall pick. He was buried behind Hall of Famer Sid Luckman and Pro Bowler Johnny Lujack on the depth chart, so he was traded to the New York Bulldogs after the season. After starting all year in the Bulldog's 1-11 season, he was traded to the Detroit Lions and had an excellent career. Luckman himself spent his first two season as a part-time starter at quarterback and halfback.
Other quarterbacks like Hall of Famer Warren Moon, Doug Flutie, and Joe Theismann went to the Canadian Football League to learn how to play quarterback before joining the NFL. Theismann even played special teams as a gunner before securing the starting job full time in his fifth NFL season. Flutie left the NFL after his fourth season in 1989, and did not return from the CFL until 1998 to enjoy his lone Pro Bowl year for the Buffalo Bills.
Not every quarterback needs a few years of schooling. Hall of Fame quarterbacks like Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, Joe Namath, John Elway, Fran Tarkenton, and Johnny Unitas jumped right in and took over, though Unitas spent a year out of football after being cut in his rookie year.
Peyton Manning is one day headed for the Pro Football Hall of Fame .He is another example of a guy starting day one, as are other modern day quarterbacks like Ben Roethlisberger and Joe Flacco. Other quarterbacks like Tavaris Jackson, Alex Smith, and Vince Young were sat back down to learn more.
Some say Russell is a victim of having a porous offensive line in front of him. Exposing him to frequent hits to where he may now flinch at the nearest hint of defensive pressure on him. He has been sacked 64 times in the last 27 games he has played.
Fans may recall three other quarterbacks who took a pounding. Jim Plunkett was the first player chosen in the 1971 draft with the Boston Patriots. He was dropped 146 times in 61 games over five years, even though he lost his starting job in his fifth year. Plunkett would persevere, however, becoming a two time Super Bowl winning quarterback for the Oakland Raiders.
The greatest Manning to ever play in the NFL, Archie, was drafted one pick behind Plunkett by the New Orleans Saints in 1971. He joined a team struggling so much, they were called the "Aint's" by league followers. Archie was sacked an incredible 340 times in 134 games with New Orleans. His first two years in the NFL saw him lead the league in being sacked, despite being extremely mobile. He led the league again in the category in his fifth year.
Archie Manning, like Plunkett, also persevered. Despite playing on some of the worst teams in modern NFL history that saw him endure savage beatings each Sunday. Things got so bad, sport writers were writing tongue in cheek articles asking defenses to take it easy on the affable quarterback. This included beat writers who covered teams the Saints were opposing.
He got to see the team eventually improve somewhat by his seventh season in 1978. He made the Pro Bowl and was named the NFC Player Of The Year. His 1979 season saw the Saints have their first non-losing season in franchise history, going 8-8. Archie's teams won 35 of the 139 games he started, the worst winning percentage in NFL history amongst quarterbacks with at least 100 starts.
Despite all of this, Manning has his number hanging in the Saints Superdome by a banner, joined only by recent Canton inductee Ricky Jackson, is a member of the Saints 40th Anniversary Team, was inducted into the teams Hall of Fame in 1988, and is the Chairman of Saints Hall of Famers.
Another case to remember is that of David Carr, the first pick in the 2002 draft by the Houston Texans. He got creamed a league leading 76 times his rookie year, and 249 times in 76 games. His confidence was so shaken, he looked like a deer staring into headlights every time the ball was snapped, though he did lead the league in completion percentage during his last year as a Texan in 2006. He is now a free agent after playing with two teams the past three years, so it remains to be seen if he will join Plunkett and Manning in toughening out a respectable career.
The journey Russell will eventually take will probably not be decided in 2010, but it could have significant impact on his future as a Raider. Oakland could help him out by drafting a few blockers, and hope they are ready to contribute immediately. The running back duo of Darren McFadden and Michael Bush is expected to be more effective than last season as well. The current starters on the offensive line last year thoroughly showed an upgrade is needed. Oakland cannot afford to score just 12.3 points per game like last year, second worst in the NFL, because their defense has yet to show they can stop anyone consistently.
Russell was drafted to lead the team, not be called an inconsistent horror show. There are rumblings that he is immature and doesn't work as hard as he should. He now enters his second year with quarterbacks coach Paul Hackett and Passing Game Coordinator Ted Tollner. Both men have been coaching since the 1960's and have long resumes filled with successes. Hue Jackson enters his first year as Offensive Coordinator, after just leaving the Baltimore Ravens. He was the quarterbacks coach there, overseeing the development of Joe Flacco.
Head coach Tom Cable's area of expertise is coaching the offensive line. He learned under such offensive minds like Dennis Erickson and Kevin Gilbertson. It is up to him and Offensive Line coach John Michalczik to get improved quality of play from this unit in the trenches. The coaches Russell has are proven, but more repetitive hits could take Russell on a longer than expected journey in learning his position.
Perhaps Cable could get owner Al Davis call in Plunkett, Stabler, and even Hall of Famer George Blanda to talk with Russell about diligence, hard work, and patience. Blanda did not earn the permanent starting job at quarterback until his fifth year, starting out his career at linebacker. He lost the job after that year and would not again be a full time starter until his tenth season. The Raiders Family is long known for their close knit ties. Having three on the silver and blacks legends in his ear with advice can be a lesson from a school like no other, and one sorely needed by a youngster who appears to now be wandering aimlessly along the NFL highway in need of direction.
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Russell doesn't have the intangibles
What do you take the Raiders for – a kindergarten establishment?
maybe he can be taught more?
some QB’s take longer to develop
don’t understand the kindergarten part of the comment
by Crazy Canton Cuts on Mar 20, 2010 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I think it's because she believes that Russell should be a kindergarten teacher
but I don’t think he’s smart enough.
The problem is he’s been given the chance to develop, and the staff to develop him, and he doesn’t seem to want it. And certain things can’t be taught, it’s just natural.
I think we’re past the “let’s let him develop” stage. There’s been no forward progress so far. Why would there be now?
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
if they get him some blocking, he might get a fairer assessment in his progression
by Crazy Canton Cuts on Mar 20, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Then why did Gradkowski do better behind the o-line
and so did Frye, though he didn’t put many points up.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
Sorry, Cuts, for the late reply
What I meant is that he needs a lot of babysitting, and even then doesn’t have the drive to improve. This is an important intangible, don’t you think? He is not a brick to be supported lest he fall.
by Spirals galore on Mar 20, 2010 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Its more like "Not much, and yet, in the NFL". Since you're a redskins fan i'll tell you this:
Any dude that is willing to take a big million dollar paycheck without doing anything is garbage. This young turd is just that, unfortunately he was never strong-willed, never meant to be a leader, easily swayed by his friends or family that may assure him that what he is doing is ok…It is not, he is basically conning an old man out of his money and shows no emotion, one would think he feels embarassed but no, he just chills with his LSU homies, not a care in the world,(Russell mindset>) I mean c’mon he went to LSU, that is enough to warrant this big contract for all he did in college, now just live the big life and chill. and thats the truth. sadly. (we got Gradkowski though so don’t pity us).
The RaiderLaker
I hope I'm wrong
but I feel like Jamarcus is a bust. What kind of quarterback plays as poorly as he has and walks around with 5k earrings and a fur coat?
That being said, with the play calling and the offensive line that he had, I doubt any NFL quarterback would have made a difference
"May the wind be at our back, here comes the Silver and Black "
Wrong, you put in Manning or Brees and they would be barking up commands to not fu.ck up, to the O-line...
That alone gives the O-line more sense of who they are protecting, and they are protecting a guy who wants to win, who wants the O-line to give it their all…Russell on the other hand is quiet, lets his earrings and chains and mink coats talk…yep, ‘nuff said. All Russell needed to say was "Alright guys, I need ya’ll ok, I…We need to win this, we’re all in this together, Lets go!!!" (its probably too late now though)
The RaiderLaker
by JaggerJaw on Mar 19, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
he needs education
now he has 3 very good coaches, guess we will see if they rub off on him
by Crazy Canton Cuts on Mar 20, 2010 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed. You saw or at least heard about Gradkowski in the Steelers game
when he told Henderson to get his head back in the game. That’s the kind of leader and player Russell needs to be.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
Right
instead we saw Cornell Green yelling at JR telling him not to hold the ball so long.
He is not a leader plain and simple. You cannot teach leadership, you either have it or you don’t. He does not.
Nor does he seem to have the drive to be the best or make the players around him better.
A big arm does not a quarterback make.
that is why I thought talking with Stabler, Plunkett, Blanda could help
3 different personalities = all winners with rings
worth a shot, no?
by Crazy Canton Cuts on Mar 20, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
It's something he should have done
a long time ago. You’re missing our point that it’s too little too late.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
have to agree, especially at 6’6" 260+…he isn’t going to scramble too great every play as big a target as he is
if he gets blockers and fails, he has no more excuses
by Crazy Canton Cuts on Mar 20, 2010 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions
This was a good read, stuffed with history and reasoned argument, but you make an assumption that Russell is in
that category of players who will break-out one day and become great. Spirals mentioned intangibles and by that I think refers to the will to be great and, perhaps, a warrior spirit. Those great players you mentioned all had a thirst for being great they were fiercely competitive. We have observed Russell’s behavior on the field and to some degree off the field. What we have seen does not make us confident that he wants to be a great football player. He seems very complacent, in a comfort zone, lazy and pleasure driven. When he’s interviewed after a game he is oblivious to his wretched performance. In non-post-game interviews he only mentions football as a means to acquiring houses, jewelry, and other junk. In brief, he is not someone who has greatness in him – despite having the physical talent.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 19, 2010 11:08 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
beautiful comment Sons
maybe the laziness is immaturity? if it is, I’d get in George, Snake, Plunkett to talk with him
he might be oblivious to who they are historically,but he’ll understand once they show off all those rings on their fingers that are not store bought
plus bet those legends could reach him someway, all are great leaders
something has to inspire him over cash, because if it doesn’t…he won’t be making much more of it soon
by Crazy Canton Cuts on Mar 20, 2010 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I suspect he had a couple of good influences - mentors - who he lost (they died) within a year of each other
now his influences are groupies and his mama. So, perhaps if he did connect with someone of the caliber of Plunkett, Kenny or George it could put his head straight – it’s a possibility.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 20, 2010 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Russel is missing so many things
I am a bay area native, and listen to KNBR on a regular. Steve Young frequents the station and has chimed in multiple times on Russel. According to Steve (and I believe a hall of famer)the guy is missing more than just heart. His foot work is off, his targeting is all over the place, his pocket presence is nonexistent, so many things that are out of place. I don’t know if he can be salvaged regardless of the instruction. I just wish we could cut ties and move on.
Also, this article is coming from a Redskins fan, you guys need to look in the mirror and see Cambell is not the answer to the franchise. At least you have Bruce Allen now. See your spending go down, and your productivity go up.
"We can't stop here... This is bat country."
to be fair to Jason, the guy just had his best season even though he was running for his life every snap of the ball behind maybe the worst OL in the NFL in ’09
might back the Skins, but I’m a football fan first
hoping Bruce will be as good as his dad was in DC
by Crazy Canton Cuts on Mar 21, 2010 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions
You wanna know what those guys have and what JaMarcus doesn't?
They are intelligent and he is not. Period, plain and simple.
Bradshaw used to get called unintelligent a lot
Plunkett once did too, if I recall correctly, when he was a Niner
by Crazy Canton Cuts on Mar 20, 2010 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions
plunkett was a niner in ...............
77,78,79 then the raiders got to him in 79.
by sports with steve on Mar 20, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
he got killed in Frisco too…no blocking when he was there either
going to Oakland wasn’t just the best thing for his career, but his body and health lol
by Crazy Canton Cuts on Mar 21, 2010 2:20 AM PDT up reply actions
IF Russell gets it together by his fifth year, he will get compared to all those guys I listed in the respect it took him awhile to get good
if he gets rings too, then he can stay in that discussion…but that is about it on comparisons
by Crazy Canton Cuts on Mar 21, 2010 2:19 AM PDT up reply actions
his fith year
on a 6 year contract. That doesn’t seem worth the investment, does it?
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
or next
some guys take longer to develop
by Crazy Canton Cuts on Mar 20, 2010 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions
look at Jurgensen, Dawson, Staubach, Moon, Bradshaw, even Blanda
if they went by that 4 year rule, none of them would be in Canton
by Crazy Canton Cuts on Mar 20, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't care. and you got the wrong idea.
if I don’t see progression or intangibles for 4 years, then no. If I see progression of any kind, then I’ll see what happens. I don’t care if a team gives them more than 4 years, I evaluate them for their first 4 years, then I get a judgement on them.
But THAT DOES NOT MEAN, that they are busts for the rest of their career. No one here on this blog really gives any QB 4 years to develop. Coaches know more than we do about their players.
And besides, If it takes a guy more than 4 years to develop, how would we know? How would we know that moon or bradshaw will take more than 4 years?
Here’s a good question: Would you wait 7 years of non- progression, while paying as much money as russel is getting paid per year, to see if they progress? I think that is ludicrous.
If Al sticks with him,
and gets him some O-Line improvements, and maybe another nice big receiver, he’ll improve.
As far as the desire to win, I think people are making much ado about nothing.
Yeah he could be BETTER, but
that doesn’t mean his intangibles themselves will be. If he doesn’t work on his accuracy, pocket presence, or even leadership(like yelling at any players who commit penalties, showing some valor to win), then all those improvements will be for nothing.
Is russel trying to say “if you get me some guys, THEN I’ll work hard for you,” then screw him! He needs to be a winner, not a freakin’ child!
Why do you think that it's much ado about nothing?
by Spirals galore on Mar 22, 2010 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Imagine this scene(using full metal jacket again)
“What is your major malfunction private russel!”
“It’s because I lack an OL and WRs sir! It’s all their fault!”
or…
“My god private russel, you can’t even through an accurate pass! Well I’m not surprised! If you could throw accurately, God wilt have intended it!”
I think it is a misreading of his personality
that rubs people the wrong way.
He’s more of an introverted player, as opposed to an extroverted player.
I think the desire to win is there, but even when the guy moves the team down and scores, he doesn’t really celebrate.
Also, the whole thing that started this brouhaha was Garcia being cut, and then dumping on Russell and the team.
Oh, I am not looking for wild celebrations or lamentations
What makes you think that the desire to win is there?
by Spirals galore on Mar 22, 2010 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions
The one play of the 2008 season
that stands out, apart from the 77 yard field goal attempt, was the interception Russell threw: a safety picks it off from way downtown and eludes everybody except Russell, who slams him down so hard, that that safety was lying there when the sprinkler system went on later on in the evening.
and that makes him an awesome player, just from that play alone.
he needs to help his team win games, and he’s not working hard for the team. He doesn’t have the intangibles, and even if they give him an OL, or a WR, his intangibles will still be the same. Looking at their intangibles on and off the field, grad beats him in 98% of the categories.
This is not a demonstration of the desire to win
What else?
by Spirals galore on Mar 23, 2010 5:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Trust me on this
Ignore this schlub. He simply likes to support the jock of JaNeedsAKickInHisArse and blindly says things that are great about the biggest bust of all time. My advice as I have followed for a while is to ignore the simpleton ramblings of him and the other arse licker of JaMuscleless.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Mar 23, 2010 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions
But seriously,
answer my question. What else does make you think JR has the drive to win?
by Spirals galore on Mar 23, 2010 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Because he's won in the past,
and he’s shown that he’s got some NFL destiny behind him in his wins in 2008, as well as some in 2009.
I’m a believer in that NFL spirit.
I also think Gradkowski has it as well. In fact, I’m glad we have both of these players, though I’m not so sure I’d know how to play them.
I’d be up for starting either of them.
I like your response
But are you sure that what you saw resulted from the desire to win? The guy is freakishly gifted, it could have been a fluke.
by Spirals galore on Mar 23, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions
He's "a five-pat quarterback" [Tim Brown]
He doesn’t work on getting better and is oblivious to his deficiencies. xville, you must accept it some day, he will never make it in the NFL; not because he lacks the ability but because he lacks the moral strength.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 23, 2010 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I understand you don't mean any harm coming on here
but you’re s Skins fan from a Skins blog and not on here too much. This argument has been made over and over on here about Russell. You could have searched for something like that before posting something that’s been debated over and over. The guy isn’t getting it, shows no improvement or will to improve. He’s been around long enough and has/had the staff to help him out, so the development argument doesn’t work. But again a search of th eS&BP archives would have told you that.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
Also next year
will be year 4 of his contract. So far he’s had 3 years (well 2, 1 year he sabotaged himself by being a greedy bitch) with no improvement. I don’t mind giving time to develop if you actually show improvement.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
some guys above mentioned didn’t get going until their fifth seasons
makes it a tenuous situation if he is dumped after 2010
yet hanging on to him could hurt too
by Crazy Canton Cuts on Mar 20, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
But
they progressed as they made it to where they are now. What we’re trying to say is there has been no, zero, non, zilch, nada improvement so far. Are you expecting some kind of epiphany? Do you want him on the Redskins or something?
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
Yes - why don't you take him?
Please, please, please take him! Your organization may be the right kind for him.
by Spirals galore on Mar 20, 2010 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Dan Snyder is just the guy to con into taking him lol
by Crazy Canton Cuts on Mar 21, 2010 2:22 AM PDT up reply actions
not expecting, just saying it may be possible
more doubtful though
by Crazy Canton Cuts on Mar 21, 2010 2:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m a football fan first
guess you missed my Ray Guy and Jack Tatum stories calling them to Canton?
I’ll re-post it someday
the current staff = Hackett/ Tollner : 2nd year…Hue Jackson is in his first
my only point is : sometimes giving up on a guy too soon bites you in the butt and Canton is proof of that
as does starting a guy before he is properly taught and ready
yet there are those who can jump right in and win
good blocking helps
hanging onto a guy can hurt too
but he enters his 4th year, many guys I listed didn’t get it going until their fifth season
history is always something one can draw from in hopes of learning
but you point of him not getting it is totally valid and seems correct right now
as a Raiders fan, I’m sure you rather see his light turn on instead of hurt the team by his struggles
by Crazy Canton Cuts on Mar 20, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I always liked Bradshaw,
though I didn’t know he threw that many interceptions in his first three years.
It just makes sense to stick with Russell; both as an investment in money, and an investment in talent.
And, pray tell, has he shown
that makes sense to keep him? The horrible TD to INT ratio? The inconsistency? The loss of support from the players and coaches? The blatant show of apathy?
Please do explain why it makes sense. Or do just get a hard on by evoking responses from people because you’re attention starved? Didn’t mommy and daddy hug you enough?
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
many of the guys listed above were pretty bad at first
Russell’s TD/ INT ratio is actually better than Bradshaw’s, for example
and we know Terry and Chuck hated each other and all of the NFL was saying Terry couldn’t spell CAT if spotted a C & T
yet, 4 rings later…people backed off
Terry got better because Pittsburgh got better, maybe JaMarcus can go there too?
by Crazy Canton Cuts on Mar 20, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
But they got better as time progressed
Russell has shown 0 improvement and seems to have no will to progress. Don’t you get that? Why do all the Russell proponents not see that the guy doesn’t care and doesn’t want to try to improve and try to win back the team and coaches?
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
It makes sense because
he had essentially the same QB rating in 2008 as Gradkowski had in 2009.
Which means, he did it over a longer period.
If Russell gets it going again, we’ll have a more dominant team for a longer period of time.
Which of course is what Al is thinking, and I just happen to agree with him.
It isn’t about needing attention, though I’d suggest you have a few issues that might be in need of some.
So he had a low QB rating over a longer period of time? So that’s reason to keep him? Gradkowski, who coming to the Raiders with a lower rating than Russell, had the same QB rating in 4 games, which could have been higher if he started earlier. Russell just proved he didn’t want to get better and was satisfied being complacent.
Yes, all good reasons to keep the expensive cow around.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
Or Gradkowski could have had
a lower QB rating.
Schilens was out, Gallery was out, and injuries plagued the OL for most of the time Russell was in.
He could have been laid out in the hospital even earlier.
Are you serious?
What has JR shown you that has you thinking he’s gonna be succesful??
Skipping out on team workouts?
Showing up overweight?
How about when he ditched team meetings for Vegas?
JaMarcus Russell will go down as the biggest bust in the history of the NFL. Thats if he isnt already
In Bruce We Trust
Skipping town for Vegas,
being overweight, not going to voluntary workouts?
Sounds like a Raider to me.
if he was a raider
he would NOT have taken as much crap as he has. Someone would have been punched by now.
tatum, davidson, romanowski, wisniewski...LET'S GET NASTIER!!!!
by angelesoterica on Mar 21, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
See, You cant even provide a competent arguement for him anymore
So just stop trying. Bruce is the QB who I want. He’s earned a shot through hard work and devotion.
P.S.
That isnt Raider like. Those are all signs off a lazy person who couldnt give a shit about his team
In Bruce We Trust
lets convert Jatardo
make him into a christian okoye type RB. he’s the new fridge! and we dont have to fill him up!
tatum, davidson, romanowski, wisniewski...LET'S GET NASTIER!!!!
by angelesoterica on Mar 21, 2010 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
The Nigerian nightmare ran a 40 in the 4.3s
No danger of Jamarcus ever doing that!
He could give the Fridge a run for his money, maybe…
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Bruce Gradkowski
won a couple of games and still managed to have a QB rating only a little better than Russell’s in 2008.
He should actually have a better QB rating in less games.
For all you Lazy-Boy psychologists, I don’t but it. I believe a better line, and more experienced wide receivers will help Russell get to where Al wants him.
he should, BUT
he threw a hell of a lot more passes than russel, got a better completion rating, threw for a hell of lot of yards, and won the games. Russel… not so much. I also believe QB ratings are bullshit(excuse my spansish).
Russel was not as successful or as much of a leader as grad is. Grad is better. Looking at how he played, YOU CANNOT deny this fact! Russel is on the down low at the moment, and it will be very tough for him to win us raider fans over. You are clinging on his back, and that causes for MAJOR things that have to do you and how russel is cheated.
Look at his INTANGIBLES, and compare his to grads. Grads intangibles on the field, and off, FAR exceed that of russels. And he was more successful in those 4 games than russel was the entire first half of the season.
wait - let him explain
He thinks (cf. above) that people are down on JR b/c he doesn’t show emotion. I told him above that I don’t put value on wild displays of emotion and I asked what makes him think JR has the drive to win. Let him explain.
by Spirals galore on Mar 22, 2010 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't agree with booing our own players,
And I don’t agree that Russell is a bust.
I do however, agree with building around him, taking time, and having patience.
The OP makes a lot of sense, rings true, and backs it up historically.
To not consider the power and wisdom of the OP’s perspective is an excersize in willful ignorance, not to mention an indication of groupthink (which is easy to succumb to when it comes to sports teams).
Patience? Taking Time?
Isn’t he going into his 4th year? And what progress has he shown? As soon as he held out for more money we should’ve saw the red flags. All he cares about is making money, not winning
In Bruce We Trust
Have you read my posts?
EVEN IF YOU BUILD AROUND HIM, that does not mean that his intangibles will change. He has bad work ethic, bad accuracy, bad pocket presence, and he is not a leader.
Yeah he could be BETTER, but
that doesn’t mean his intangibles themselves will be. If he doesn’t work on his accuracy, pocket presence, or even leadership(like yelling at any players who commit penalties, showing some valor to win), then all those improvements will be for nothing.
Is russel trying to say "if you get me some guys, THEN I’ll work hard for you," then screw him! He needs to be a winner, not a freakin’ child!
On and off the field, Grad showed me more of those than russel did the entire first half of the season! That shows me that in those four games, Grad already proved he can lead the team to wins.
You are assuming that JaCarass
actually has the talent, desire and drive it takes to get where Al and the rest of us want him to be, and that a new OL and some WRs will make the difference.
We will all probably get the chance to see this year
the one thing I wrote to point out = Russell is entering his fourth year
all the HOF’ers listed didn’t get going until their fifth seasons
just a thought
by Crazy Canton Cuts on Mar 21, 2010 2:25 AM PDT up reply actions
just a thought
I bet 90% of those hall of famers worked their asses off to get better, and kept themselves in shape.
He was obviously picked too early from college,
and was in need or a mature, established organization to transition him into the pros.
Oakland has been none of that, with the coaching problems, the lack of a complete staff, a receiving corps that is mediocre, and an OL that looked like the Keystone Cops.
I’ve liked the idea of keeping him for five years for some time, and think we should keep him in for the full length of his contract because of the vast upside of him coming online.
Terry had no blocking his first three years
that’s why I say get Russell a few blockers in the draft
will be a fairer assessment to what they have
by Crazy Canton Cuts on Mar 20, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Why did the other 2 QB's
that had lower numbers than Russell in previous years, have better success (and I don’t necessary mean TD’s or points, because Frye did have better numbers. And I think his first game he was still foggy. He did better the 1st half of the Balt game before he got ran over) with the same blockers?
How many times are we going to tread out the same excsuses for Russell? And now even a Redskins fan got recruited by xville and the other Russell family members.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
I stopped reading when you said the greatest Manning ever was Archie.
This is 2010 NFL where QBs are given $31 mill before they even step foot on an NFL field. Back in the 60s & 70s the investment wasn’t as dramatic. Its a given they expect more sooner nowadays.
if Archie played in the rules his kid does, he’d even make a winner out of the Ain’ts
by Crazy Canton Cuts on Mar 20, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
you bring up a couple of good points crazy, but you are talking about a kid who said he was “satisfied” with his progress as an NFL QB. Did bradshaw or Archie ever say they where satisfied with their progress after throwing more INT than TDs? probably not, I would imagine them to say that their season was unnaceptable and they where going to work as much as possible to get better. You will never hear that from Russel and that is why he is a bust.
you are right, those two worked very hard and we see that work ethic Archie had rubbed off on his kids
by Crazy Canton Cuts on Mar 21, 2010 2:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Russell has no idea he sucks
he had to be told by a media member that his performance stunk, he was honestly shocked.
That is one of many reasons he’s a bust. No self awareness,no leadership skills no self discipline or dedication to his craft
i totally agree
you said it the best
by sports with steve on Mar 20, 2010 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
+ 1 well said. Jambajoke is oblivious to any of his negatives; the man lives in a state of ignorant bliss
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 20, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
want to share this story from another Raiders fan, but do not know if it’s true
if it is = scary
he said :
After a game one of the Raiders coaches gave him a DVD to study to help him with defensive reads and the next day when they asked Russell what he thought, Russell responded that it was helpful, good stuff and all the right things. The problem is the DVD was blank.
by Crazy Canton Cuts on Mar 21, 2010 2:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Really, lmao, if that is true...I would be surprised, I wouldn't think anyone in the Raiders organization could think of
a great way to expose a fraud (Russell) like that but thats a good idea, just for the coach to drill his ass on why he doesn’t study film.
The RaiderLaker
I believe it could have haapened, Remember, JaNeedsAbra believes he's playing good ball
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 22, 2010 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude!
Did you steal my name I made up? Or did you post this before I put that name in the other article?
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Mar 23, 2010 7:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I borrowed it ... but, it's in the public-domain now (thank you)
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 23, 2010 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Ok
Just kidding I am sure you know, imitation is the greatest form of flatery……apparently
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Mar 23, 2010 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Take Responsibility
Russell has blamed others on the team for losses, but won’t take any responsibility when he plays poorly. Anybody else there when he could not throw a ten yard pass to the TE and RB in the backfield and was pulled from the game? Evidently he did not think he was playing that bad.
blaming teammates is not a good thing…I’d get Snake to school him
by Crazy Canton Cuts on Mar 21, 2010 2:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Its a different game and a different era
Times have changed from when Plunkett, Stabler etc etc played.
1. We dont have a mentoring established starting QB that Russell can learn from.
2. He very well knew what the situation was when drafted by the Raiders AND the expectations. JaBloatAss never comes to camp in shape, is over weight, ill prepared AND is disinterested.
3. He was given a dump truck full of cash and has no willingness to restructure his contract. To what? Sit on the bench and learn? Fuck that the learning curve is higher nowadays and the standard is kept to the level at which you are drafted. He’s is not some sort of project developement type player. He was drafted to be a stud QB in the NFL. The prick even held out for the entire pre season and part of the regular.
4. He has done nothing to demonstrate his desire or passion towards the organization OR the fans.
Conclusion: Let him rot on the bench until his guaranteed money runs out then set him free next to the nearest dunkin donuts/baskin robbins outlet. We should stick to picking up QBs that other teams set free that we see as potential starters. Who was the last QB we drafted that had a successful NFL career? Stabler right? After him we had Plunkett, Shroeder, Hos, Gannon and few others but most of them were busts. We are better at drafting positional players on defense and signing QBs instead.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Mar 21, 2010 9:43 AM PDT reply actions
maybe that is why so many QB’s stink today? they don’t learn and feel entitled?
if I were Al, with that tradition and alumni bond, I’d have my champs talk sense to the newcomers so they learn how to win
by Crazy Canton Cuts on Mar 22, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I dont think so
Look its built into your hard wiring from an early age (see SOB’s posting regarding deep south stuff). You either have the work ethic or you dont. Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf were both drafted the same year and were both of the same calibre of QB. Leaf was an entitled little shit that’s first thought with the signing money was to go to Vegas. See any similarities here between the two idiots (JaVegasBuffetTrip and Leaf)?
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Mar 22, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Damn straight: Our best QBs were not drafted but brought in after being seasoned elsewhere
To Whom it may concern: don’t try me on Kenny (let it go).
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 22, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
More than 25 crayons
would be too much too soon for ol’ JaDumbass. Just sayin
Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death
Does anyone else find this disturbing?
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 22, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
Very. Who lloks at their mother in that way? Tongue hanging out, is he waiting for her to display her teet for suckling. Man the guy really cant stop eating.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Mar 23, 2010 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope their relationship does not wander across the border of unnatural affection (but, this is the DS)
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 23, 2010 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions
With that pose
It looks as though it already has gone to keeping it in the family.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Mar 23, 2010 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe not. If JaMamasBoy even likes girls, maybe a nice Raiderette will inspire his play
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 23, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Doubtful
My personal opinion in getting JaBustaBeltBuckle to get motivated is by tying a bucket of ice cream to DHB, Murphy, Schilens et al so that the only way he gets some is if we move down the field to the end zone and score so he can dive face first in the bucket.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Mar 23, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe Hackett should start reinforcing better efforts of JaChewsAlot with treats and just strap the feed-bag
on him after successful practices – but he has to earn it and no weakness when he begs.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 23, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
"Critics are trying to label him a bust after being the first overall pick in the 2007 draft."
Trying? He hasn’t done anything but bust. I really hope he gets it together this year because it’s really hard to watch.
I don’t think any comparisons to successful QB’s are appropriate. He contrasts is almost every way, not compares. He can’t lead a team until he can lead himself. Still waiting to see that happen.
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
Thank You
There are 2 jock supporters of JaEatsALot that are still blind to the fact that he is never going to amount to anything UNLESS he makes some serious changes from within. So far this off season there is no true indication of that from him BUT there seems to be from his competitors (Frye andGrad)
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Mar 23, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
How is Archie the best Manning ever?
Im all for the Football nostalgia you threw out there, but that was a pointless swipe at Peyton and Eli. I mean seriously, Peyton is the only 4 time NFL MVP, not to mention a SB MVP, and has made way more Pro Bowls than his dear old dad. I am just going to throw this out there to, Peyton didnt choke away the SB this year either. His WR’s started dropping a lot of passes and the Colts D was getting slaughtered. Now unless he was out there playing MLB and i didnt see it, he cannot be blamed for the way the D got shoved around.
Then we have Eli, maybe not the most consistent QB in the league, but still one of the top 5 in the League IMO. He engineered the GREATEST upset in NFL history. His escape from the clutches of the D and the throw to Tyree are nothing short of amazing…..
peyton kinda sorta did choke in a way
he had wayne running a short crosing pattern, which was used A LOT in the SB. Peyton didn’t even look in wayne’s direction, and he just threw it to him. The CB caught it, and ran it in for the TD. Manning should have known better. He could’ve went on the game winning drive(which is manning’s expertise), but he blew it because he blindly threw the pass.
I will say that
that throw was a little out in front of wayne. i will also argue that wayne was doing a fairly good randy moss on that play. he looked lazy, didnt really even try to break up the interception and his pursuit of the play left a lot to be desired. His break on the slant was slow, he just didnt look ready to catch a pass on the play, but IDK. I dont have cable here in Iraq and i only seen the play two or three times and there was no sound.
I am a bit of a Peyton advocate so I will admit that I am biased though, but to me, his team let him down. He did have one mistake, the int, but it was compounded by his team not performing at all in the second half.
Wayne
first of all, do not say moss is lazy. that will only cause me to go on a tandem. regarding wayne and how he ran his route though, the CB was expecting a pass in his direction! Peyton threw it toward him, but the CB(can’t believe I forgot his name) jumped right in front of the route out of nowhere. Wayne did his job, he ran the slant route, only the CB knew what was going on, and made the play.
Peyton should’ve seen that coming. I may be a pats fan as well, but I respect how manning can play the game. What Manning did, throwing it that area without a second thought, was uncharacteristic.
Also to note, they did blitzed him pretty good that play, and almost 50% of the game(maybe more, I can’t say for sure). So he wasn’t picking up the blitzes like he used to.
ever watch Archie?
better arm, legs
his issue? = he was on the Aints back when football was football
put him in today’s effeminate rules and watch him torch D’s…even with the Aints
by Crazy Canton Cuts on Mar 23, 2010 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions
not going to
argue the better legs thing. Peyton is about as immobile as QB’s come. The arm is another story.
i wouldn't go that far to say he's "immobile"
Peyton has excellent pocket presence, and when you have that, you have the ability to take only a single step, and you can gain an extra 2-3 seconds. He also has a very good release, so even if he doesn’t take that step, he releases an accurate ball before he gets hit.
But I wouldn’t say Immobile.
let us please remember RULE CHANGES
blockers then could not hold every play like now
the chuck rule was 10, not the paltry 5 is is now
these 2 rules had more impact than any other
even the “don’t hit the QB too high, too low, or too hard, and dont put all your weight on him”
how many CB’s today can play man to man? a SMALL handful, where it used to be all of them
IF Archie had these rules, he’d be more than just the best Saints QB ever now
he’d be in Canton
the guy was amazing even after the savage beatings he took every week
if either son had to live just one week, let alone season, in his hell with the Aints..it would be a truer measure of how easy they have it these days
Archie didn’t live off 5 yard slants
his kids are damn good, but dad was better in every area….except timing on the era to play in
by Crazy Canton Cuts on Mar 24, 2010 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions

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