Should the Raiders trade Asomugha for Suh?
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 19, 2010 10:40 PM PDT
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Oakland has a serious problem, we can't stop the run. Our Defensive finished 29th against the rush last year with most of the credit going to poor interior line performance. Our need for Defensive Tackle help is so great that many place it higher than the countervailing need of an OT. Now that Gerrard Warren is released and no move has been made to replace him during free-agency trades, it is apparent that Oakland will draft a DT. But, there is only one DT in this draft who is capable of both starting immediately and making a significant positive impact - we all know who that man is.
Most polls and mock drafts have the great DT from Nebraska, Ndamukong Suh, selected within the first 3 picks of the 1st round on April 22nd. However, most polls and mock drafts predict St. Louis will take either QB Sam Bradford or QB Jimmy Clausen w/pick #1. Detroit, picking 2nd, is predicted to take Oklahoma State's OT Russell Okung, Ndamukong Suh, or one of the top 3 DBs Joe Haden, Kyle Wilson, or Eric Berry.
Detroit desperately needs DBs and will have to get one high in this draft; the Lions finished dead-last - ranked 32nd - against the pass. Nnamdi is willing to be traded, he flirted with the idea of playing for the Jets with Darrelle Revis and Rex Ryan last month. Moreover, an argument can be made that Nnamdi hurts us! How is that? Because by being, or believed to be, so good the passing attacks are planned and executed away from him which compounds the weakness we have on the other side. If we had a good, but not great, CB in Aso’s position then the pressure on CJ or Routt would be eased and QBs and OCs wouldn't have the luxury of pre-selecting targets when they play us. It’s not as though we’ll have nobody at RCB – Al is excellent at finding DBs and we can always put Huff or Branch in Aso's slot and move Mike 'the Missile" Mitchell to FS or SS.
Here is what we can do: Make an agreement with Detroit that they draft Suh with their 2nd pick and trade him to us for our All-Pro CB, Nnamdi Asomugha. Detroit is strapped for cash (and the 2nd pick's contract may well exceed Asomugha's). Rumor has it that Detroit is trying to trade down to avoid the financial hit that comes with picking 2nd. In this way we also keep our No. 8 pick for an OT or one of the great young CBs - Haden or Wilson.
Let's consider this deal. We would acquire the most dominant defensive player in the draft, someone who is destined for Pro-Bowl games for years to come. We want Suh! and we want him bad. How bad do we want him? Are we willing to sacrifice Nnamdi to get Ndamukong on our team?
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I am strangely ok with this deal
I hate to see Aso go but we are in great need of a top quality DT, and who better to get right now than Suh. And i don’t see any fear of striking a contract deal with him quickly. Not like some other unnamed QB on our team, I am all for having the explosiveness that Suh brings to the line each and every play. He is not just a great rush blocker but a great pass blocker as well. I would be ok with this IF we were able to make a deal with Detroit
BNUTS
Just kill me now.
That would be the most unabashedly stupid thing to ever take place in Raiders history. Ever. Puts the Marcus Allen fiasco to shame. Literally makes the Jon Gruden trade seem like a good idea. My stomach hurts at the mere mention of it. I just died a little inside.
Wow
So we should trade the best corner back in football for a guy who has yet to play a down in the NFL. Good one.
by RaidersNation on Mar 19, 2010 11:17 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
If we could somehow get Suh and Iupati with our first two picks that would just be GM genius…
If the Lions are short on cash and want out of the second round pick, then we may be able to entice them with a lesser talent than Asomugha.
A more conservative scenario would be to trade down to get Iupati, then get a DT in the second round. Doesn’t have to be Cody. Torrell Troup, Cam Thomas, and Linval Joseph have been discussed and could be solid players, especially in rotation with Bryant and Kelly. Then pick Angerer in the 3rd round to beef up the run defense.
Ridiculous
So we might stop the run in exchange for not stoping the pass.? you’re talking the best corner in the league… trade for Suh.? are you serious.? we trade our pick to about 13 and take Dan Williams and get an extra pick and solve our run defense problem AND keep Asomugha.
Im very ok with this deal....
except I would draft Haden at the # 8 spot to replace Nnamdi and pick up a lineman in the 2nd.
If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you.
by Parental Advisory on Mar 19, 2010 11:53 PM PDT reply actions
so detroit is strapped for cash and can absorb Nnamdi's contract?
that’s a logical methodology to correlate with your data.
by Al's Wingman on Mar 20, 2010 12:32 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
NO!
This is insane! There are quarterbacks that don’t even look at Aso’s side of the field. He’s the best in the league and The raiders best player on and off the field. Lions won’t be able to pay the average of the top 5 highest payed QBs in the league either. It’s not like we have tons of money. What we need to do is trade our pick for both the 49ers picks and swap 2nds and 3rds. We have so many needs and trading Aso would give us another giant one. Some Mocks are showing Suh dropping if he did that would be great. I have a feeling Suh or Mccoy will drop but if they dont trade with 49ers. Lions are gonna sign Pacman anyways
That would be a bullshit trade. It’s like giving up a leg to get an arm. I wouldn’t like to see Routt and Chris Johnson (both are inefficient and inconsistent) cover the opponent WR’s, what’s Suh good for when you let 50 yard bombs end up in completion?
by Kaan Ozensoy on Mar 20, 2010 3:57 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Dan Wilkinson...Cortez Kennedy...Russell Maryland...or
Gerard Warren? All of these DT’s have been picked with high first rounders. All were also BUSTS! as far as productive High 1st Round DT’s. Suh is another in the mold of them. I would much rather trade Aso’s 14 mil (or whatever it is) for a plethora (yes El Guapo, a plethora) of picks over the next 2 years. We need help in a multitude of areas not just DT, and I would not trade Aso straight up for 1 unproven player. Having said all that, I believe if we did trade Aso for a ton of picks, Al would screw it up majorly anyway.
Cortez Kennedy--Bust???
How can you call a player who played his 10 year career with the same team, with 8 Pro Bowls, 4-Time AP All-Pro Selection, 1992 NFL Defensive POY, Seahawks “Ring Of Honor”, and 1990’s All-Decade Team, a Bust?!?! We would be lucky to have a player like Cortez Kennedy on our team. Do a little research before you start spouting BS… Also I am against the trade of our best player for an unknown. I also happen to be a Die-Hard Husker fan and I have been my whole life. I would love Suh on our team, but I wouldn’t trade a proven Aso for an unknown Rookie… If anybody has noticed, the last 3 “Can’t-Miss” Prospects we’ve taken in the draft (Gallery, Russell, and McFadden) haven’t exactly panned out. Huff is only just looking like a solid player and Gallery is a good guard, but Russell is a bust and McFadden just doesn’t look like the second coming of AP that he was supposed to be. Anybody who knows me will confirm that I never thought McFadden would be that great and I took a lot of flak for it. I wanted Ryan Clady or Vernon Gholston (Who I believe should have been a DE not a OLB).
by crazyphatdude14 on Mar 20, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I cannot choose from the options above
how about just “no”. That doesn’t mean that we remain 29th against the run. Improving the offense, and increasing time of position will help our run defense too. We give up a lot of yards late in games when other teams are protecting leads, and our defense is tired from being out on the field 2/3 of th game.
...and
It doesn’t necessarily seem like we consistantly are unable to stop the run. We seem to give up more big plays to the run than most teams. That is due to guys not being in their gaps…i’m not sure how much Suh can help that.
On the one hand, Suh is the closest thing to an absolute guarantee in this draft (the only other guarantees to me are Berry, Okung, and Iupati) who give us the NT we have needed for years upon years.
On the other hand that leaves us with CJ and Routt as the only true corners on the team (Holland should never play DB ever). Why do this, when we can get at the very least, solid NT’s for years to come in Dan Williams, Cam Thomas, or Linval Joesph.
If this was the old NFL where run offense and run defense were all that mattered (ah the glory days) then I would do this immediately. But since this is the stupid new NFL where you NEED a solid passing game and a top-notch secondary to have any success, I have to turn this move down.
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Aso hurts us!
How is that? Because by being, or believed to be, so good the passing attacks are planned and executed away from him. This compounds the weakness we have on the other side. If we had a good, but not great, CB in Aso’s position then the pressure on CJ or Routt will be eased and QB won’t have the luxury of pre-selecting their targets when they play us. It’s not as though we’ll have nobody at RCB – we’ll get someone good in the draft.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 20, 2010 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Good Point
Because by being, or believed to be, so good the passing attacks are planned and executed away from him. This compounds the weakness we have on the other side.
I can definitely see that and that’s why I think this potential trade is a good idea.
Although, you know, playing a little zone defense surely couldn’t hurt the cornerbacks!
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by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 20, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Hmm…..very true. I had not thought of that. Hmm……….then let’s do it
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Sons. Unfortunately you are getting alot of flack for a post that makes perfect sense to me. Yourself and a few others that are for this deal are thinking like business men and about the future of the Raiders. The people saying this is absurd are thinking like fans that wont be able to sell their Aso jersey’s once he has left. The bigger picture of this deal is the “team” and how much more we can get in return for Aso. He is great, unbelievable, but that also cripples one side of the feild for us. How many pick 6’s does he have? Keeping him would be great too, but he is the only bargaining chip we have. That is just our luck. I would trade one great player for 3 or 4 good players any day of the week.
If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you.
by Parental Advisory on Mar 20, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
but
the article clearly says trading aso for suh. that is not 3 or 4 good players, that is 1 potentially good player.
by RaidersNation on Mar 21, 2010 1:51 AM PDT up reply actions
With that logic,
if we know they will throw away from him, we can exploit that with an upgrade on the other side, with new strategies, rotations, or looks.
Being strong against the pass on both sides is where we want to be.
Absurd
Teams not throwing to one whole side of the field at a time does NOT hurt us. It just makes painfully apparent that we have one great corner, and some that are frankly sub par. If you really want to see this team improve, take uncle al’s keys away, or explain to me how Stanford “I couldn’t catch a cold or cover a third string high schooler” Routt is worth the insane amount of money and 1st and 3rd tender. The same amount of passes are being caught, the difference is we know where to send safety help.
by the red guy on Mar 21, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Better pass rush accentuates CBs/Ss stregnths and no matter how good a DB is, even Aso, he will be burned if most
NFL starting QBs are given too much time. We have good CBs, I believe Holland is a decent CB and would perform well in a 3-4 or, at least, with some D-line heat (for a change).
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 21, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Never with Asomugha; and if Detroit is so strapped for cash, how're they gonna pay Nnamdi?
Does not compute; Trade down and collect picks if you must, but do not trade Nnamdi.
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If there's any talent Al can find out there its DBs and we will get a suitable replacement that gives us balannce and takes
away the pressure on our struggling left corner. Suh’s contract will be larger than Aso’s and Detroit will get a sure thing where they are hurting badly.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 20, 2010 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions
sons this is very debatable but
like you said al can find talent in the defensive backfield and he needs to find it on the otherside of aso. cj is a pretty decent corner for all the heat he takes( 30 pass deflections and 6 picks the last 2 years is productive) and he had a better year this year than last. i think al found talent in him and he is getting better by becoming a full time starter 3 years ago. a new youthful cb to back him and learn from aso would be ideal. your forgetting how good aso is against the run and how well he tackles which on top of his cover skills are very hard to replace, plus with him gone our new vigin cb would lose out on what aso could teach and groom him into, like he has helped cj. cj needs help over the top from our young safeties. if we can land a good DT this draft(not suh) wauffle will be the best thing for him and the rest of our line. the last time we could stop the run wauffle was in charge of our dline and he can make chicken soup out of chiken shit! i like your idea though, made me think which is always good! thanks
by rodeosnake12 on Mar 20, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
How can you say Al can find DBs?
Al just drafts a lot of DBs so it seems like he finds good ones. Statistically speaking, when you draft 4 players at the same position, at least 1 is going to turn into a solid player. Don’t forget that this is the same guy who brought in DeAngelo Hall… He also Drafted John Bowie, Eric Frampton, Darnell Bing, Fabian Washington, Stanford Routt, Stuart Schweigert, Sideeq Shabazz, Phillip Buchanon, Keyon Nash, Derrick Gibson, Raymond Perryman, and Cliffton Black since the 2000 Draft… And 5 of those players were selected on Day 1 in the first 3 rounds of the draft. How many of them worked out? Then lets look at the DBs that have worked out in the last 10 years: Nnamdi Asomugha, Michael Huff, and Tyvon Branch… We still don’t know about Mike Mitchell. That’s pretty bad drafting if you ask me. Keep Aso, he’s proven. If we trade him, we make our defense even worse. It isn’t Aso’s fault that the other Corners can’t cover consistantly. By cutting the field in half it should be easier to defend the pass because we should be able to roll coverage that way. We shouldn’t make it easier on opposing teams to throw the ball by freeing up the whole field. If we can stop the run, but can’t defend the pass, what’s the point? Then next season we will be saying to trade suh for a top pick so we can draft a great corner because Suh hurts us… Because he is so good against the run the teams torch us in the air so we need to get rid of him so the teams run more. This type of thinking doesn’t work at all. Keep your strengths and fix your weaknesses. It’s the only way to get better. Especially with our Owner and the way he drafts, we need to keep our proven players on the team at all costs, otherwise we are just going backwards.
by crazyphatdude14 on Mar 20, 2010 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Keep your strengths and fix your weaknesses.
A strictly conservative approach is not necessarily the best. How do you really get to know your strengths? By keeping the same diet as usual?
by Spirals galore on Mar 20, 2010 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
You don’t trade your premier player for unknowns. It’s one thing if you are getting a proven commodity or even multiple players that have proven themselves to be at least solid players. Look at last year when the Broncos traded Cutler. They got multiple picks and a solid player to fill the spot. Who would we get from the Lions? Nobody. So we create a hole by filling another one and we are in the same position before the trade with a different need. If you find out your stomach digests veggies well, but you get sick every time you eat dairy, do you stop eating salad and only drink Soy Milk? You keep eating veggies. Fixing one problem and creating another doesn’t solve anything. It’s also another thing if you are trading/cutting your whole team to start over. In which case it makes sense to get rid of high value players for picks and young players to begin anew. But we aren’t doing that we are 2 years into our most recent rebuilding process and we have to move forward and not take steps back. This trade gives more questions than answers.
by crazyphatdude14 on Mar 20, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
If you find out your stomach digests veggies well, but you get sick every time you eat dairy, do you stop eating salad and only drink Soy Milk? You keep eating veggies.
So, you keep eating veggies only b/c at this point you are afraid of drinking skim milk? Try full-fat goat milk.
Balanced diet is the best. Eating veggies only leads to failure. You need exposure to all kind of nutrients. And if you don’t seek it, you’ll never lose the weight. That was literal and also a metaphor.
by Spirals galore on Mar 20, 2010 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I never said that you only eat veggies. But you don’t stop eating veggies because you are trying to find a Milk Substitute… Which is what would happen if you trade Aso for an unproven Rookie. “Try full-fat goat milk.” The KEY WORD in that phrase is “TRY”. We would be “TRYING” to find a new player to fix our Run-D and cutting Veggies out of our Diet. “Balanced diet is the best. – - You need exposure to all kind of nutrients.” This proves my point that you don’t sacrifice something that works in your diet while you look for a new replacement aspect of another part of your diet. If veggies are working and dairy isn’t, you find a way to replace the dairy without cutting the veggies. “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” Cause more than likely you will end up “breaking” it in the process. I agree we need help at DT, but we don’t sacrifice the best player in our secondary to get it… It doesn’t make sense. Would the Browns trade Joe Thomas to get a Rookie Quarterback because it’s their biggest need? No, because then the QB is more likely to get hurt and it defeats the purpose of getting a QB because he is likely to not be on the field. It fixes the problem of a QB, but now your protection sucks.
by crazyphatdude14 on Mar 20, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I ditched a whole exercise routine because it barely kept me functional (my SI was messed up)
and TRIED a completely untried one, to total success. Was it scary? Hell, yes! Was it the best investment in my health that I’ve ever done? You bet. Could I have stayed where I was? Sure, that’s what losers do.
by Spirals galore on Mar 20, 2010 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions
But what you’re talking about is what I said earlier about starting over. You tried something completely different. Which is what Rebuilding is. We started that process a couple years ago when we got new young skill players, and new coaches and got rid of players that we could at the time (Fabian Washington, Randy Moss, etc.). You can’t start a new diet and routine every couple of weeks because it isn’t working instantly. You have to stick it out and see where it takes you. Starting over is what we did for 6 years straight every year and we are LOSERS for it. We are heading into our 3rd year under these coaches and we need to keep some consistency in order to be successful. That’s what WINNERS do. The majority of the best teams have had the same premier players and coaches on the team for multiple years while adding players to try to fix their problems. Tony Dungy, Peyton Manning, Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, Gary Brackett, Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis… Harrison is gone because he can’t play well anymore, but these players were together for much of the last decade and the team never let any of them go in order to get better players elsewhere on the team. They found ways to bring in guys without losing their star players and they were very successful. Bill Belichick, Tom Brady, Tedi Bruschi, Richard Seymour, Vince Wilfork, Rodney Harrison, Ty Law, Asante Samuel. Seymour was the only player that left via trade and the Patriots missed him for it. But it made sense because he isn’t the player he once was, but during their best seasons, the Patriots wouldn’t have traded him for a Rookie WR to replace the departed Deion Branch… They kept him, and played the whole season with Reche Caldwell as their top receiver and they still made the playoffs. Getting rid of premier players for unknowns isn’t going to help us.
by crazyphatdude14 on Mar 20, 2010 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
If we play it save and draft conventionally - according to the 'experts' mock draft projections we will never
rise above the mediocrity of central bell curve teams. By taking reasoned, insightful and measured risks a team gains an edge and those edges cumulative into something elite. We have had consecutive poor seasons despite Asomugha’s play and the reason we are losing games is primarily our weakness at the DTs, OTs and, until Grad, the QB positions. The QB is fixed, we signed Grad last Monday; we have cut one of the starting DTs and one of the starting OTs – so we’re going to draft a DT and an OT, that’s a certainty. The question is, how do we get the most value possible. I’ve looked at all the top DTs and OTs and am convinced that there is only one truly exceptional DT, Suh, and have looked at all of the top OLs and believe that given our position we have a realistic shot at one of the top 3 O-linement, Iupati (Okung and BalAga being the other two). We have much more depth with our DBs than with our DTs and OTs and therefore would be able to absorb the loss of Aso with Huff, Branch or Mitchell moving to that position. We might drop in RCB efficiency but will gain tremendously in our D-interior play. Plus, the pressure on the LCB will be relieved somewhat. Plus, improvement in our pass rush from Suh (and Wimbley acquired last week from Cleveland) will make the job easier for Aso’s replacement. Bottom line: no guts no glory – we must rise above the herd by behaving differently than the herd.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 20, 2010 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
In order to take risks, we have to have something to fall back on. Teams who take risks are those who have the room to take them. When you are at the bottom trying to climb to the top you have to take baby steps first until you reach a point when you have room to take risks. You start climbing, but both feet and your left hand are shaky and keep slipping. Your right hand is the only one that seems to be able to hang on well. You move very slowly until you are about 25 feet up a 100 foot cliff. You reach out with your right hand and grab a ledge and your feet and left hand slip and now you are hanging by your right hand. Do you try and get a strong base by repositioning your hands and feet so your right hand can pull you up on the ledge so you can put on a glove to help you climb better? Or do you quick leap for the big rock that is kinda loose 5 feet above you and try to grab hold of it with each limb except your right hand? You might get it and it might not fall, but if you try and fail before you’re ready you will probably drop all the way to the bottom again. The best decision it to pull yourself up, ready yourself for your next move because once you have a sturdy stance, you can look at all your options and make the smart decision. You now have room to take a risk because you have a ledge directly below you to ensure if your risk fails, you have a place to drop to without losing ground. In which case you can try again. The teams that have been good for the last decade aren’t that way because they took a whole bunch of risks, they are that way because they played smart without taking risks and only took them when they could/had to.
by crazyphatdude14 on Mar 20, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Also asking a Safety to play Corner isn’t an easy transition. It took Nnamdi a few years to become who he is. He played Safety his first couple of years in the League. It took Huff a whole year to learn the difference between Strong and Free. Imagine if he had to move to Corner (A position he hasn’t played since his Freshman year at Texas). The Jaguars tried it last season with Former 1st Round Pick FS Reggie Nelson and he was horrible. If we move Branch he could do better because he played Corner in College, but he struggled in Coverage this past year at Safety at times and he would likely not be consistent as a Corner either. Drafting a Rookie Corner in the mid rounds wouldn’t work, because how often do mid round Corners turn into solid starters right away? Not to mention we don’t even know if Mitchell is ready to start. He missed most of Training Camp last year and hardly played. He was drafted as a project player. Trading the best player on the team who is a leader for an unproven Rookie without properly replacing the player who was lost creates more problems and questions than solutions and answers. It’s not worth it. That’s just my opinion.
by crazyphatdude14 on Mar 20, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
"the big rock" is not "kinda loose" I know many of us are gun shy having been traumatized by the likes
of JaJambajoke. But weighing the character of Suh I’m convinced he is the pole opposite of the wastrel gluttonous effete, etc. 1st Round !st pick disaster. Suh’s credential are no ‘loose rock’
As a junior in 2008, Suh recorded a team-high 76 tackles, 7½ sacks, 19 tackles for loss, 2 interceptions (both returned for touchdowns) and a touchdown reception while playing fullback. He became the first Nebraska defensive lineman to lead the team in tackles since 1973. Suh earned First-team All-Big 12 honors in 2008, the first Nebraska interior defensive lineman to earn those honors since Steve Warren in 1999. [source: Wikipedia]
In 2009 Suh registered 82 tackles and 12 quarterback sacks and had 26 quarterback hurries, 23 tackles for loss, 10 pass breakups, three blocked kicks, and one interception, including 12 tackles (seven for losses, a school single-game record) and 4½ sacks in a 13-12 loss to the Texas Longhorns in the Big 12 Championship Game, for which he received game MVP honors. He helped Huskers defense rank first nationally in scoring defense (10.4 ppg), tied for second in total sacks (44), first in pass efficiency defense (87.3)…He also played all four quarters versus Arizona in the 2009 Holiday Bowl, recording the first shutout in the bowl’s 32-year history. He was a consensus First-team All-American and earned consensus First-team All-Big 12 honors and was the Associated Press National Player of the Year, Big-12 Defensive Player of the Year, the Defensive Lineman of the Year, and a Heisman Trophy finalist. [source, Id.]
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 20, 2010 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I have a Suh Jersey.
I’m a huge Husker Fan, so you don’t need to inform me about Suh’s accomplishments. I, like other Husker Fans, knew about his dominant play before most of the rest of the country. I have his Red #93 Jersey hanging in my closet and I believe he will be great in the Pros, but he is still a rookie who will have growing pains and mental lapses, every rookie does. Adrian Peterson is still working on the fumbling problem. Matthew Stafford and Mark Sanchez are looking like they will be great QBs, but both threw more interceptions than touchdowns. Suh is unproven and he won’t solve our problems instantly and we will be losing a player who is proven with no way to even try to replace him. Darren McFadden also had all the credentials coming out of College. Doak Walker, Heisman Finalist twice, almost 4000 yards rushing, All-American, etc. But how has that worked out. What happens if Suh’s knee collapses? What happens if he is too small to handle the Nose Tackle position. He is a big guy at 6’4" 300 lbs, but that is a small NT in the Pros. And O-Lineman are bigger, quicker, stronger, smarter, and better in the Pros, and what happens if he doesn’t just dominate like in College? What happens if we find out that he can’t play NT in our D and we need to slide him to Undertackle where he is an All-Pro? Now we have three at that position with Bryant, Suh, and Kelly and we are once again looking for a decent NT… Too many questions.
by crazyphatdude14 on Mar 21, 2010 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Every project you list is for a skill position, 3 RBs and 2 QBs. So its Apples and Coconuts
As for your concern that Suh may be injured at any moment and our investment turn into a disaster – the same can be said for Nnamdi – he too can be lost in a single play. We have to stretch ourselves a little and resist any unmanly urge to assume the fetal position.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 21, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Is it assuming the fetal position to value a proven All-Pro over an unproven Rookie? Not at all. Especially when we could have Dan Williams or Terrence Cody who are just as unproven and we don’t lose our best player for it. When the Broncos decided they needed a new Left Tackle, did they trade Brandon Marshall to the Dolphins so they could draft Jake Long? No they didn’t, they drafted Ryan Clady at number 12 and it ended up being a great decision. Dan Williams could turn out to be a great player, and we wouldn’t need to get rid of somebody to get him. In fact, we could probably trade down and get another 3rd rounder out of it. That would be the smart move. That’s how teams become Winners. No unproven Rookie out-values an All-Pro Cornerback in his prime.
by crazyphatdude14 on Mar 21, 2010 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
It's assumingthe fetal position to look only at the negative side of the deal and refuse to look
at the positive side too. Jake Long would have been the wiser move – just look at the Broncos – and Jake had a good rookie season and was in the starting lineup of the 2010 Pro Bowl.at LOT. Your point is taken, Clady made 1st team All-Pro team the same year. The difference, in this case, is no one else compares to Ndamukong as Clady compared to Long.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 21, 2010 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually there were a lot of people who thought that because Clady played in the WAC he wouldn’t be as good in the pros as Long. Also, you can’t go into the draft assuming the players at the top are the only ones that will help your team. The Ravens needed a QB 2 years ago, but that doesn’t mean they trade Terrell Suggs or Ray Lewis to the Falcons to draft Matt Ryan. No, instead they look at who is available at QB when they pick and they decide to take Joe Flacco who goes on to be the Rookie of the Year… We need a new Middle Linebacker; does that mean the only one that will help our team is Rolando McClain? No, Brandon Spikes, Pat Angerer, etc. could all provide us with help at that position. We need a new Right Guard; does that mean Mike Iupati is the only Guard that we should get? What about Mike Johnson, Ed Wang (he can play guard), Sergio Render, etc. They are mid-round players that can fill this need from Day 1. Making a Blockbuster Trade to get a Rookie isn’t a smart move. At least we know what we are getting with Aso, and we can get good value at the position at another point in the draft. I will say that more often than not, teams that trade up into the top 10 to get players have been burned because the player doesn’t produce as expected. Ricky Williams and Derrick Harvey are 2 names that come to mind. I could go on, but I won’t. Lets just agree to disagree. Also, on the Raiders’ Website, Wimbley is listed as a Linebacker and not a DE, so he will likely not have his hand in the dirt as much as he will likely blitz from the strong-side… Just some Raider Nation FYI.
by crazyphatdude14 on Mar 21, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
absolutely not.
the only way I would even accept the trade is if they give us their first rounder, and second rounder. Which will not happen.
If we trade asomugha, we will now have to worry about getting a starting corner, and our(raiders) pass defense will look similar to the pass defense of the pats in 08. You DO NOT want that to happen!
Either Al finds one in the draft or we put Branch or Huff in Aso's slot and move the Missile to SS or FS
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 20, 2010 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions
and it still won't work that well.
I don’t think they can compete at corner the way aso did. then again, not many could, but this will be a downgrade on our passing defense.
What for?
We can stay where we are, or even trade down to get more picks, get Price who is just as good if not better at stopping the run, weighs as much, showed more strength at the Combine, and still was a significant threat to QB’s with very healthy sack numbers; while still keeping Nnamdi.
There is only one immediate All-Pro DT in this draft and he's in the postion of our greatest need. I'm willing to make the
sacrifice – it’s a positive move and if you make many positive moves – no matter how slight they are you end up in a wonderful place to be in February.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 20, 2010 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions
This coming from you?
The one who dreams of servicing JaMustABust as a full-time job. The one who speaks from their arse upon any person making negative comments about the aforementioned JaCompleteBustGonnaLiveWithHisMommaSoon.
Before you talk about how good/bad our defense is with/without Nnamdi take a close look at the one you chose to stand up as a lone man on an island screaming from the treetops defending.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Mar 23, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I have to say...
that doesn’t respond to anything regarding what he wrote.
It does
He is commenting about how our defense cant afford to lose Nnamdi. This guy (maybe he is a she but I really could care less what it is) talks up JaNeverHitsTheManInBlack and defends I am just calling out and questioning his ability to comment of our defense when he cant even make a sustainable defense for JaMakesMePukeJustThinkingAboutTheLostMillions.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Mar 23, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
so you are saying because he defends jamarcus
he has no right to an opinion at all on a subject?
With the fierce QB mad-DT Ndamukong breathing down their necks and Trevor and Wimbley squeezing them from the sides
CJ and Tyvon could shut the corner down regularly with Huff and Mitchell polishing-of any leftovers. Most QBs can’t handle the kind of heat this maniac will reek upon them.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 23, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Tyvon doesn't look or play like a corner to me.
I think trading Asomugha will be a drastic downgrade that might not be worth it.
Do it
Having Nmamdi on our team is ok since we can boast about having 1 of the 2 best cover corners in the league. I honestly don’t think 2 or 3 picks over the past 2 years justifies paying him over $28 during that span. Look at it this way, Dallas had one of the best play-makers in Hershell Walker & ended up trading him & picks for a package that ended up being the foundation for 3 super bowls in 4 years. We’ve had Nmamdi since 2002 & have 7 straight 11+ loss seasons to show for it. Our run defense is always bad & also w/ the exception of Derrick Burgess for a couple of years our pass-rush is non-existent. I’m w/ the new school that says a pass-rush beats good corners. I believe if we stopped w/ this 1970’s philosophy of strictly man-to-man press we don’t need to pay for the next Deion Sanders. All the best D’s of the past few years have played zone-blitz or cover 2 styles. The Jets do it better than everyone else because of Revis but he is an exception to the rule.
I think the fact Suh or Okung’s contract depending on who we draft will not be as much of a hit as Nmamdi’s. While he is a great sportsman & an even better cover man I think it is time for a change. Even Al says the life span of a coach is 5 years. How about the life span of good players on bad teams? If he is so great why doesn’t he make his teammates better instead of always last in rush defense or having the other guy get burned 3 or 4 times a game? If its a straight up trade w/ possibly our 3rd rd pick thrown in, this is a no-brainer. We get to still keep our 8th pick. That means we get possibly Suh or Okung w/ the #2. Then we may get Haden to replace Asomagha, McClain, Trent Williams, Anthony Davis or even trade down, collect more picks & possibly get Dan Williams. He’s actually rated as the best NT prospect if we draft Okung. Before you bash Sons’ idea maybe you should look at the big picture.
I could’nt agree with you more. Nnamdi is great, but how many wins has he gotten us? His skill could really be worth a trade or two that can seriously rebuild the foundation of this team.
If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you.
by Parental Advisory on Mar 20, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
well he is considered the best cornerback in the league...
but yeah, loosing him is nothing…(sarcasm).
explain how suh will fall to 8?
i dont see this!
by sports with steve on Mar 20, 2010 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions
My explanation: Bucky Brooks, do not doubt him... This is blasphemy!!
(he won’t, kidding) But we never know, until the day comes, lets pray he falls.
The RaiderLaker
Aren't we strapped for cash too
I don’t think we can afford 2 top 10 draft picks
If we trade up it should be to take Okung, then draft Linval Joseph(Big man, nasty attitude) in the second, Pat Angerer in the 3rd. but not at the sake of losing Nnamdi
Of course I am using common sense in my post.
Something Al never does when it comes to drafting. In my opinion Russell should have been cut by now. Freeing up Nmamdi’s contract as well would leave us with approx $25 mil available on the 1st 2 picks. I also said if we draft Okung 2nd we can trade down & get Dan Williams. Also if we are at it. Imagine drafting Okung 1st. Trade down a few picks & get Iupati at Guard. Our line would be upgraded in a heart beat. If we traded Nmamdi & a 3rd straight up for the Lions’ 2nd overall we can trade down from 8 & still nab Iupati or even trade lower & end up with Pouncey at Center. Last checked all we got are Satele who played better at guard & spot duty & Chris Morris which isn’t saying much.
Damn - make this into a post - it's pretty good
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 20, 2010 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
ur crazy Nnamdi has won too many games for us......sarcasm
If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you.
by Parental Advisory on Mar 20, 2010 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I have to agree with TAW on this one, if the price is right for one of the best corners in
the league, then we should give it serious consideration..To draft Okung, 1st, and grab, Lupati then maybe snatch Dan Williams, and even Tony Washington in a later round, our O line would be settled, and we would have a young NT…We also have to consider that when teams release players at the end of training camp there are always opportunities to improve your team there. However, the key is to receive the number 2 pick, which means Detroit would have to deal, Okung will go in the top 3 for sure. But lets say Tampa goes for it at 3 and Detroit takes Okung, then we take Suh, and still get a top tackle at 8, Davis, Williams, Campbell, Bulaga. So to have two picks that high would be great in a no cap season, I would say, DO IT..if it comes with a top 3 pick…By the way, corner is one of the positions in man coverage that doesn’t allow you to make everyone else better…MLB, Safety, DT, DE, if they are great they can influence the overall game, at CB, they just stay away from you… And don’t forget about McCoy, he is rated neck to neck with Suh..
by Rodney Sacramento on Mar 20, 2010 2:44 PM PDT reply actions
I must say, that is all comes down to dollars, and I don't think we have them..Al borrowed
money last year to sign free agents. I do believe if the money is there we should go for it, and I am still from bringing in TO if the price is right…
by Rodney Sacramento on Mar 20, 2010 2:47 PM PDT reply actions
No just no. We will be trading away a proven player for a rookie that will need coaching. Are you guys telling me that your are confident with the d-line coach that coached the 29th ranked run d? All rookies have to be coached, and I do not trust our coaching staff (yet). Suh’s contract will also be much higher than aso and i don’t think we have that cash anyhow. I would much rather see a trade down for another 2nd round and 2 more third rounds than us taking anybody except for a lineman. With this years plethora of talent I would want to grab as many players i could to find a greater chance of finding the next great NT. Rather than gamble one just one person.
Mike Waffle was hired after the 2009 season to replace DL coach Dwaine Board. Waffle will not allow a D 29th v rush.
Suh is a franchise guy – an anchor point in the middle who will terrorize and reek havoc. Ndamukong and Iupati are the most dominant lineman in this draft – I lust for both of them.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 20, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
trade with lions but not asomaugh
we all know that lions needs are cb’s. i would offer rhoutt, and 2nd round/5th round to the lions. i have mentioned this b4 in other threads but not asomaugh. the jetts tried to get him but al wants alot for him and the jetts said ok and got cromartie. i would like the raiders get the 2nd pick and keep the 8th pick. that way we can get a good d t and a good o tackle.
by sports with steve on Mar 20, 2010 5:41 PM PDT reply actions
best of breed
if we got the 2nd pick from detriot for rhoutt/2nd round /5th round and the 8th pick is still ours , we have 2 starters right there and then dump j russell so we have the $$$. its time to really look at this and see what the lions would do to get out of the 2nd pick. keep asomaugh. then we can get other needs at lb or ot like a richmond at later rounds. we take suh and then who is there at 8 for an o tackle
by sports with steve on Mar 20, 2010 5:47 PM PDT reply actions
No Way unless you think Routt is a starter in Aso's spot
How in your analysis do you equate an All-Pro with a rookie that has not played a down in the NFL?
the status quo isn't working for us. We brought in Wimbley who can bring pressure on QB. Pressure on QB equates to
CBs not having to be A+ players – just solid (v. rush & coverage). We have to face the realities, if we don’t fix our middle we are screwed b/c teams have proven they can rush against us – even / especially on the 3rd downs. Sometimes, you have to look at a rookie and make the call, take the chance, and in Suh’s case (barring injury) the guy is going to be a perennial All-Pro. He has the physical gifts, he has the attitude and he has the track record. My one and only agenda is to win a SB A.S.A.P.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 20, 2010 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Totally
We probably have said this in the past I am quite sure I said it before. Our CBs/DBs (other than Nnamdi) get hung out to dry because we cant pressure the opposing QB and and the non stop man to man we play in coverage can only last so long.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Mar 23, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
McCoy could fall to #8 if Suh doesn't
IMO, I think we should hold on to the # 8 and take the best DT or OT available…we should be happy with whoever. Suh, McCoy, Trent Williams would help us a lot. Then there is Campbell with his tremendous upside.
+1
Some people have McCoy higher that Suh.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Mar 23, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
what the f**k
what kind of a fool writes an article about trading the best corner in the NFL for a defensive tackle that has never played in the nfl, yeah i could only see this guy playing as well as or having the work ethic as the biggest bust in draft history, ‘Ja’ i am a Bust’ Russel. yeah that is a graet idea, trade away the best in teh game for an unproven rookie.
good call
Suh looks like he will be a great NFL player. However, that is simply a guess. I love college ball, but in my opinion it doesnt mean shit in the NFL. Its all a bet, though some bets have higher odds than others.
Remember, the NFL is turning into the franchise quarterback pass first league. Having a proven anchor lockdown at corner gives us a great leg up on many other teams secondary.
This also allows us to focus more on the trenches. I really hope we trade down and stock up picks, because there is some great talent for all over the field, and it would be great to have some depth.
Cant wait til the 22nd!
No Swagger Like The Silver & Black
by Lint on Mar 20, 2010 7:21 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Yes the draft is thick. Problem is everyone will be raking in a share. That's why we must be shrewder by manipulating the process
so that we end up with the finest rookies in exactly our positions of greatest need and raise our bottom line. We have to have some faith, at least, in our abilities to evaluate talent – otherwise we’re no better than a mediocre team drafting the conventional choice – that’s a recipe for consistent 6-10 to 9-7 seasons. If we’re going to return to glory we have to do things different than the herd.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 20, 2010 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Got UR back on this one
No one is above the team. Nnamdi doesnt win us games by himself nor does he swing the difference to the degree that he is a game changer/alterer. I say trade down for some established players and/or more picks to give us some experience and possibilities.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Mar 23, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
you don't think he helps even if he keeps the QB from throwing in his general direction?
Asomugha is our best player on defense, and the best corner in the nfl. He is vital to our passing defense. If anything, we need someone on the opposite of Nhamdi, and a pass rush.
Trading Asomugha will be just like when the pats got rid of samuel. And we all know how our pass defense resulted after that(and asomugha is better than samuel!).
Kill the head and the body dies (Muhamed Ali). Take out the QBs quickly, ruthlessly and they won't be burning anyone
even Stanford Routt will look like an All-Pro when we generate a great pass rush
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 23, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
That's what they said about the pats.
But you HAVE to generate EXTREME pass rush in order for this to work. Since we are sticking to a 4-3, I see in no way that we can get a top 5 pass rushing team just after this year. Better to keep Asomugha, and better to be safe than sorry.
Ok
Whatever we need a pass rush, atleast a semblance of a pass rush. Unless we get the Jets Revis on the other side we will ALWAYS GET BURNED. Man to man with a whole lotta holes on the other side will not help unless we create some pressure on the opposing QB. Now I think maybe SOB was a little rash in his statement about Routt (I hope) but the point is most teams in the league dont have our DBs and they get less lit up or burned. Why do you ask? Because they fucking blitz more than 2 times fucking game and dont play man to man every goddamn down thats why.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Mar 23, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Any praise of Routt, in the context of persuading others to support improved pass rush, is hyperbolic
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 23, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Of course
I figured that if you look at what I wrote, it was an analogy I know but not really meant to be taken at the extreme.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Mar 24, 2010 5:38 AM PDT up reply actions
r u kidding!
y give up the best db in the league for an inexperienced rookie not only that thats our problem we trade for big names and think theyll make all the difference now were talking about giving up a big name and expect that to make a difference! should the ravens give up ray lewis should the niners give up p.willy should the jets give up revis i think not n none of those teams r willing to trade away greats to be an average team we all want greatness n dominance right y give up the only dominant player we have that should b the question!
by 21shtdowndosuno on Mar 20, 2010 7:52 PM PDT reply actions
You don't know Al Davis too well, do you?
Although I completely agree with you that we need a run stopping DT (good bye and good riddance Gerrard Warren – our run defense has been the worst in franchise history since you got here), there is absolutely no way Al Davis will ever give up one of the top corners in the league for a rookie DT. Al doesn’t just drink blood, he eats, drinks, and breathes cornerbacks. One of his biggest disagreement he used to have with John Madden was that he felt you built a team around two good corners. John preferred starting at the O line (that’s only because Brett Favre was still just in elementary school at the time). Anyway, as much I would love for them to get Suh, I don’t think the Raiders are in the financial position to move up in the draft…we still have Jamarcus’, McFadden’s, and Heyward-Bay’s ridiculous contracts to pay.
Not a very bright idea
Taking a unproven DT draft pick over maybe the best proven DB in the NFL that QB’s won’t even throw near? Yeah and I thought Al was senile but someone just made him look very sharp.
One thing to say:
If Marshall is able to play ZONE, then fine, Trade Asomugha.
HOWEVER, Do you really THINK that Marshall will eb allowed to play ZONE?
Al Davis is a Cover 1 MAN lover. Straight 4-3, MAN coverage ALL THE WAY.
Nnamdi is a MAN corner. CJ and Routt AREN’T.
So, if Asomugha was traded, and we stayed with the MAN defense, we WILL be Torched. All. Day. Long.
Consider Al’s type of defense when thinking about trading Asomugha.
In Bruce We Trust
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Mar 20, 2010 11:08 PM PDT reply actions
ASO, Gotta GO
I say trade him for as many picks as possible. Address the long standing needs of the team.Nnamndi has represented the team well but frankly he really hasnt helped the team as far as “growth and progress” are concerned. We are still 7 seasons of 11 losses and that is really the bottom line here. If he was all that, our record would reflect better. Nnamndi is living proof that in the NFL, no ONE player can make significant improvement for the “team”. JMO
RAIDER WROK
Trade Mcfadden, you can see he can not cut back and is easy to bring down by his legs. package him with Routte. move up the board to get Suh.
by Rodney Mcclelland on Mar 21, 2010 8:06 AM PDT reply actions
This too should be given serious consideration - McFadden is frankly a limited RB - and though he was flagrantly misused
he hasn’t shown the toughness or versatility that we need in that slot.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 21, 2010 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions
trade routt and cj for suh the pick haden or wilson with the 8# pick then in the second round get a OT third round LB.
Aso is getting old and Suh is gonna be GREAT
But, What happens to our Pass Coverage?? Do we go from great against the run to shit against the pass?? The passing attack has become the most known part of the game. What happens when NE or IND comes here?
In Bruce We Trust
Thompson is no Nnamdi
People will pick on him non stop. And I just think a rookie wouldnt be able to handle being thrown at that much. We play some heavy passing teams this year and almost every QB is gonna throw directly at him. I say, Keep Nnamdi. I think I voted otherwise. But right now, Nnamdi is needed
In Bruce We Trust
RAIDERS
RAIDER FAN FOREVER BUT THERE NEEDS TO SOME CHANGES TAKE SOME CHANCES ON NEW PLAYERS
Drafting SUH at number 8
I am not gonna say much. but when glenn dorsey was teariung it up at LSU i was crying for him. well u saw where that got us. he is now in KC. now we have a chance at getting this guy SUH. well ill tell u, we better do something because our opponents dont respect our rush defense and it showed a bunch of times. i cannot stomach another defensive back when our glaring need is on the defensive line. it is a plain as your nose on your face. im tired of losing games because we could not stop the run
by darkknight_13us on Mar 22, 2010 1:18 AM PDT reply actions
It's very unRaiderlike that teams are able to sustain drives by running against us and as demoralizing as it gets
If we do nothing else this draft, we must solve that problem by bringing in a couple of Animals. one to fill Gerrard’s DT vacancy and the other to replace Morrison who fails to meet RBs at point of entry.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 22, 2010 6:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah. What he said.
Time to let Mike Mitchell do what he does best and give him some big brothers to back him up when the fights start. Nnamdi should be the only finesse player on that side of the ball. BRING IN THE GOONS!
by golfswithglock on Mar 22, 2010 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions
yes!
we are so clos to being a power house on run D. i mean fucking 2nd in the league in stuffs and TFL and then the most 20+ yard runs giving up. we are 1 to 2 players away from being a top 5 run D. we need just 2 more big nasty grab your face mask and skull F you players in the middle of the line and secondary to achieve this! as cable says on every press conferance “its time” well do it cable clown!
by rodeosnake12 on Mar 22, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
NO WAY
Trade the best CB in the league for an unproven draft pick just because we can’t stop the run? Now we can’t stop the pass. Nnamdi is the best thing to happen to this team in a long time. A great gamble by Mr. Davis. Draft a safety then turn him into the best in the league at a new position. We can ill-afford to gamble (no matter how fun i think it is) on drafts. Our roster is young and talented. Just start filling all the holes. Who are we kidding? Let’s have another draft day shocker! #### Mel Kiper! RRRAIDERS.
trade CJ and routt and if need be Mcfadden to the lions to get SUH and another second round pick, with the #8 pick get Lupti, and when the second rounds comes get a Left Tackle and a DB then the third round get a LB.
dont need to give away the bank
we could see what the lions would acceot for the 2nd pick. the lions want out badly. we could package a player/rhoutt 2nd round pick and a pick next year for #2 lions pick and keep the 8th
by sports with steve on Mar 22, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
i agree with trading the leagues best CB as much as i love his game and his shut down ability, trading him to the Lions for the #2 pick and getting Suh in return just imagine Seymour, Suh, kelly and Matt up front creating problems for offenses and then either take McClain at #8 and have Scott, McClain and Howard at LB or even just getting the best OL then trade McFadden for a 2nd or a 3rd and 5th while signing westbrook and drafting a rb later. Al will always find a good CB we still have options out there and Al seems to be doing things smarter this year and not throwing money where it dont belong, why hell just trade J-Russ to the panthers for whatever we can get for him, since they need a QB. All in all it should be a better year for our OAKLAND RAIDERS.
Funny reply
You really think that anyone would want JaBustus?
Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death
nope.
too hard to find that type of shutdown corner. Sorry, can’t part.
We need some help against the rush
I’m not sure if a rookie is the answer, though. I am thinking it oughta be like Raider tradition——-get a haired-out veteran with a chip on his shoulder. How about Cornelius Griffin? I think he was just cut by Washington, so it is a matter of signing the guy. Uncapped season, so why not sign the guy, hold on to the star CB, and draft an Offensive lineman? This would have our D-line looking pretty formidable.
Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death
hahahahaha wow..
no ones gona pass to revis side next year. they r gonna give him the nnamdi treatment. jets should trade him cuz he makes it 10000x hzarder on the other corner right?
trade Asomugha?
IF THE RAIDERS TRADE ASOMUGHA FOR SUH, ALL THAT WILL ACCOMPLISH IS WE TRADE 29TH IN RUN DEFENSE FOR 29TH IN PASS DEFENSE. TRADE THAT WANNA BE NFL QB RUSSEL FOR ANYTHING. THAT WILL BE AN IMPROVEMENT AND A GOOD PLACE TO START.
What!
The options should expand to simply, “NO!” …With an astute coaching staff, there are too many reasons to not trade one of the best corners in the league for po’tential. (Good cornerbacks are hard to find, Great cornerbacks are even farther-in-between). Let’s see what happens when we upgrade the offense and allow the defense to get rest between possessions. As far as the “stacking of the pass attack on one side,” only confirms the reasoning that “when one knows their problem, it is half-way solved;” get an individual or defensive scheme to solidify the other side for adequate pass defense! As a day trader we lose when we “mess with success.” Our team must find another way to build, than to ‘pimp’ what is working best for us.
Well, even as we speak the scuttlebut has it that Nnamdi is being "pimped" for a much lesser talent than Suh and someone
who couldn’t approach to help us as much as the great NDamUKong. Damnation, I knew Asomugha played with fire when he crossed Al at the Pro-Bowl. So, if Aso is going to be traded, the question is now for what? McChoke or Suh?
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 25, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh No, ...Aso? ...Say it Ain't So
Let’s hope Al Davis reference Marcus Allen’s treatment as a learning experience (to never do again!). We certainly can not afford the pettiness with the likes of Asomugha. The mysterious Javon Walker benign neglect is eerily reminiscent.
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