The Rosetta Stone: Unlocking the mystery behind Al Davis’ player selections (Part I)
When asked how Raider potentate, Al Davis, selects Raiders most people tell you that it's simply a matter of who runs the fastest 40 in their position. Certainly this is a viable answer and one supported over many years of Al's draft and FA selection record. Al drafted Darrius Heyward-Bey, who ran a 4.30 40 even reaching down and taking him in the 1st round while experts scratched their heads having Bey projected no earlier than the 3rd. Al signed Javon Walker, who ran a 4.38 - 40, after he was cut by Denver following a steep decline in his performance. Other truly fast Raiders are Stanford Routt 4.29 - 40 (who just signed a $3.268 million/yr deal even though contributing less than nothing during the 2009 season), Yamon Figurs - 4.30 in from Cleveland, and Tyvon Branch - 4.31.
But if speed were everything, Al would have taken Chris Johnson, the faster and better player and joint holder of the combine's 40 record - 4.24. CJ was taken 24th in the 2008 draft and available for Al, who had the 4th pick - but Al chose another RB, Darren McFadden, who ran a 4.33 - 40.
I have long wondered if there was something else that went into Al's calculation, something not as apparent as sheer speed. Have you ever wished you could place an electronic bug in Al's office and listen to his candid remarks and monitor his conversations? It’s something I wish were possible for my own consumption. We can’t do that, of course, so if we want to anticipate Al's moves we need to understand how he thinks; so let's probe and explore possibilities underlying Al’s decisions by examining his record. I don’t believe it comes down to only speed.
We can rule out Wonderlic scores as a significant criteria for Al - we have many boneheads on the Raiders - at least as measured by the type of intelligence captured on that test. We can rule out Al's partiality to certain colleges -Al pulls them in from everywhere. There has been, however, a trend over the past decade with Al taking a disproportionate number of players from the south, especially the Deep South; but this may only be a coincidence.
Maybe the other criteria, the Rosetta Stone, to understand Al's decisions is something quirky, something subjective and peculiar to the psyche of Al Davis himself. Spirals Galore suggested once that Al seems enamored with handsome, well-built men - such as JaMarcuss Russell, Javon Walker, Carlisle Cooper, Jonathan Holland, Paul Hubbard, Chris Johnson, (playboy) Darren McFadden, David Nixon, Slade Norris, Oren O'Neal, Erik Pears, Marcel Reece, Stanford Routt, Richard Seymour, Tony Stewart, Todd Watkins and Sam Williams. These well-built and, many would say, ‘handsome' men are also poor or disappointing players. Most of these men are inexplicably kept on the roster and, in every case, paid unjustifiably high salaries.
Sportswriter Paul Zimmerman wrote this about Al, "Davis has always been enamored of the oversized player ... The 6'8" Matuszak; 6'9" Charles Philyaw; 6'7" Ted Hendricks, the tallest linebacker in history; 7-foot defensive tackle Richard Sligh, the tallest anything-they all have worn the silver and black." This has been a characteristic of Al's player choices for decades. NB. Our Offensive line is currently the 2nd tallest in the league.
So, is Al enticed by masculine physiques almost as much as he is by speed? Does that factor weigh into his criteria when choosing who he'll dress in Silver & Black?
Routt makes millions despite bad performances. Jamarcuss we know gets $13Million this year and McFadden will get millions whether he fumbles, falls down or ever finds a hole (on the field).
Cooper Carlisle, a poor to fair G, makes $3.5 million/yr. Erik Pears is paid $1.5/yr to not play and 4th round Slade Norris will be paid big-bucks to watch from the side-line.
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Funny thing is
One of our better players is a real pain to look at. Michael Bush is just about as ugly as they come
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If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?
- Vince Lombardi
No, he's not ugly!
And he is very well built too.
by Spirals galore on Mar 7, 2010 8:13 AM PST up reply actions
Not ugly?
Its a pain to see him with his helmet off. He is built though, The guys huge
If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?
- Vince Lombardi
beuty is in the eye of the beholder
Plus, I am a woman, so my take on male beauty is more credible than yours:)
by Spirals galore on Mar 7, 2010 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, he has like inflated lips, more than anyone in the team, like a bee stung him.. ;)
The RaiderLaker
so does angelina jolie
What’s so wrong with such lips?
by Spirals galore on Mar 7, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Angelina Jolie
Doesnt have 5 inch long Eye Brows and wieghs 245 lbs
If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?
- Vince Lombardi
But Bush plays well. We're looking into the mystey for an explanation for the salaries and retention of the poor players
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 7, 2010 8:15 AM PST up reply actions
yes, but you argue that Al goes after physique
If true (I think there’s truth in it), then you can’t exclude the good-looking players who also happen to perform well.
by Spirals galore on Mar 7, 2010 8:20 AM PST up reply actions
of course not. But Al will not release a player whose playing well even if that player falls below Al's handsomness standard
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 7, 2010 8:36 AM PST up reply actions
and he is not gonna release a player who's handsome but plays badly
Look at JR – the guy is one of the handsomest men on earth. And one of the lousiest performers.
Still – I am looking forward to your Part 2. In my opinion, there are more than one inserts in Al’s push-up bras.
by Spirals galore on Mar 7, 2010 8:39 AM PST up reply actions
What? Are you saying that he's selecting players to build himself up? A compensation of sorts?
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 7, 2010 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
Are you serious about Russell being handsome??!!! omg no he is not! thats disgusting.
The RaiderLaker
your impression of how he plays
clouds your judgment. He’s like Jessica Simpson – both look better with 20 pounds off.
by Spirals galore on Mar 7, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
oops--the shortcut to Jessica's picture doesn't work.
Here’s the link. You scrol down a little and voila—Jessica’s photo unfolds.
by Spirals galore on Mar 7, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
OMG! I actually clicked on link! My eyes!!!!! My eyes!!!! They Burn!!!!
(but not as much when I look at Russel, My fists burn there)
The RaiderLaker
I'm trying to find before-and-after photos of JR
But it seems he’s always been fat… Jessica, on the other hand, yoyos.
by Spirals galore on Mar 7, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Before the buffet, after the buffet?
you smell that? that's what a winner smells like....
by stonewall jackson on Mar 7, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Al Davis' petite build
and fragile stature, especially lately, may play a role in his selection of well-formed, tall players. It’s like a small-chested woman buying twelve push-up bras, hoping that at least three will fit perfectly.
Haha
Interesting simile…or metaphore. I suck at english
If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?
- Vince Lombardi
no you don't
who cares about the terms, arbitrary as they are. For example, “metaphor” in modern Greek means “truck.”
by Spirals galore on Mar 7, 2010 8:59 AM PST up reply actions
Im more of a mathmatics and philosophy guy
If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?
- Vince Lombardi
Can you imagine?
The Raiders could have grabbed Chris Johnson in the 2008 draft.
And for once, I think Al Davis’ infatuation with 40 times would have been justified.
he's extremely handsome too
But McFadden came with a virility reputation, paternity suits and all.
by Spirals galore on Mar 7, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
Chris Johnson is not handsome either, he has clumped up hair like he hasn't showered or fixed- or even attempt to fix his hair.
McFadden on the otherhand looks good, very sexy physique. Judging from that pic of him above. ;)
The RaiderLaker
CJ looks like he just got finished doing a stint at San Quentin
you smell that? that's what a winner smells like....
by stonewall jackson on Mar 7, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
wait--I was talking about the Titans' Chris Johnson
by Spirals galore on Mar 7, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
he looks like Lil Wayne on HGH
you smell that? that's what a winner smells like....
by stonewall jackson on Mar 7, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Yes - and I think he's handsome
Who cares about the hair of men.
by Spirals galore on Mar 7, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
Yes. The ladies always loved Bob Marley
His hair was very, “clumped up,” as he put it.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
The Raiders' Chris Johnson
looks strange -goatee and all.
by Spirals galore on Mar 7, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
"Strange" doesn't equal "ugly."
But in terms of facial beauty, I like the Titans’ CJ better.
by Spirals galore on Mar 7, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
Another SoB article with no point whatsoever
but keep trying so long as your friends here give you free reign to spew nothing.
Do you ever wish you could put an electronic bug in Al's office and listen to his candid remarks and conversations?
It’s something I wish were possible for my own consumption. We can’t do that, AW, so we need to find a way to understand how Davis thinks so we can at least anticipate his moves. That is the point of this post – to probe and explore possibilities underlying Al’s decisions by understanding him based on his record. I don’t believe it comes down to only pure speed.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 7, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
So
Where are your insightful posts filled with awe inspiring intelligence? Show us your MENSA level capabilities whilst throwing rocks from your treetop.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Mar 7, 2010 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
So according to Spirals Galore....
Micael Bush, Chris Johnson and Jamarcus Russell are handsome? Who are you Hellen Keller?
you smell that? that's what a winner smells like....
by stonewall jackson on Mar 7, 2010 11:03 AM PST reply actions
Are you a woman?
If so, we can discuss the issue. But if you’re a man who disputes a woman’s taste in men, then we have an issue.
by Spirals galore on Mar 7, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Russell
He is handsome if you ask since1997, a female on the Cal blog who said JaMarcus was just that.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 7, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
well since no one agrees with you, and we could all find women to discredit you. i dont think we have an argument. those mofos are ugly.
you smell that? that's what a winner smells like....
by stonewall jackson on Mar 7, 2010 11:13 AM PST reply actions
was this a reply to me?
Here is a wager – find women who will discredit me. Make sure that they are unbiased – we are talking looks only, not performance.
by Spirals galore on Mar 7, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
and also
how do you know that no one agrees with me? Do you have access to everyone’s mind? Or are you trying to intimidate me into submission by appeal to a questionable authority?? Ha!
by Spirals galore on Mar 7, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
I cant hardly even look at those guys!
I even cum Black & Silver...
by Tramp "Raider Roxxxtar" on Mar 8, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
nah thats okay
you like who you like, we can leave it at that.
you smell that? that's what a winner smells like....
by stonewall jackson on Mar 7, 2010 11:28 AM PST reply actions
Here is a list of NFL players women would like to date
http://www.datingonline.org/dating/nfl/
Tom Brady is #1, Leinart #2, etc. What’s your take on any of those?
by Spirals galore on Mar 7, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
Damn True with Tom Brady, the rest so-so as there are better looking dudes in the NFL than the rest of those stated in the list.
I am no homo or anything but a dude can tell when a guy is hot .or else there wouldn’t be any jelousy, for example, when your girl talks to a good looking guy, your jelousy level will go up, if u see your girl with a average joe that is not as good-loking as you, your jelousy level will be very low.
The RaiderLaker
Hahaha women have unexplainable taste though! you really cant break down how women think at all!!!
I even cum Black & Silver...
by Tramp "Raider Roxxxtar" on Mar 8, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
This is an interesting take, Sons, but I think Al just get's caught up in media sensation on these guys
Maybe he reads those magazines that feature these, “handsome, well-built,” specimins? Dunno, but I don’t try to figure out that guy anymore, It’s Maddening!
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Actually, there is more to the cute factor, Brhynno
Here is an article from the Wall Street Journal
Scientific research overwhelmingly points to facial symmetry as an indicator of success. Studies show infants with more symmetrical faces are given more attention. Symmetrical workers also tend to earn more. Football is supposed to be egalitarian, of course. The players with the strongest and most accurate throwing arms should become the quarterbacks while the biggest, most powerful players should be linemen. Somewhere along the way, it seems, good-looking kids are steered toward the glamour position. “Socially, we’ve been trained to think that the quarterback is the most beautiful person on the team,” says Prof. VanGilder.
The same article also has a list of the top 10 best-looking QBs in the NFL, ranked by how symmetrical their faces are, by percentage:
Player, Team Symmetry Rating
Matt Ryan, ATL 99.82%
Brett Favre, MIN 99.78%
Aaron Rodgers, GB 99.59%
Matt Hasselbeck, SEA 99.56%
Kerry Collins, TEN 99.49%
Ben Roethlisberger, PIT 99.43%
Shaun Hill, SF 99.35%
Tom Brady, NE 99.14%
Philip Rivers, SD 99.04%
Kurt Warner, ARZ 98.98%
by Spirals galore on Mar 7, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
I am not sure I like the looks of any of those QB's
They are too bland.
by Spirals galore on Mar 7, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, Spirals, I remember reading an article on the symmetry thing, and it was the explanation as to why Denzel
is almost unanimously described as the Hollywood heartthrob he is.
I also know lot’s of ladies who are into, “sexy ugly” guys, so you explain that one to me…
And I think that journal study has a loose interpretation of success, especially when you put it in football terms. This is where I draw that distinction between stats and W’s.
Remember, in JaCarcass’s hometown, he’s considered a huge success. Ask the Nation about that word.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
This symmetry study was only about QBs
Their claim is that if you play football and you are handsome, it’s more likely you’d be selected as the QB, just as it often happens at any other job – if you fit the standard for good looks, you are more likely to be promoted, all other factors being equal. That shouldn’t be the case anywhere, but it seems that good looks are frequently taken as an indication of greater potential of any kind.
I think Sons has a point here – for Al, “good looks” very often means “grand size.” So he goes after oversized players, and if they happen to be fast too, all the better. Some of them succeed, others don’t; he hires the next batch.
by Spirals galore on Mar 7, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
I have no doubt in my mind this is 100% true:
Their claim is that if you play football and you are handsome, it’s more likely you’d be selected as the QB, just as it often happens at any other job – if you fit the standard for good looks, you are more likely to be promoted, all other factors being equal.
Just as we have not figured out anything in all these years of the combine, aside from a clean bill of health, on how to equate the poking, prodding, and “underwear olympics,” to actual talent at the qb position. We still can’t tell if college success will equate to the same in the pros. It’s why the qb position is such a hit or miss prospect on draft day.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
All those QB's are "good-looking" except for Rothlisberger I mean c'mon the guy is getting lawsuits
regarding sexual assault (twice) if he were handsome the women would not file those, it would be a privelage to do it for example if a woman got lucky wit Tom Brady I bet she would not file a lawsuit. With Ben its different as he’s ugly and fat, the women freak out the day after with him, lol.
The RaiderLaker
pardon me--I meant to respond to you below, as evidenced by the quote
But this is a very interesting take on women’s responses to men. Where did you hear it?
by Spirals galore on Mar 7, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
Well, I made it up. If u have money women will come, if u are ugly and rich expect a lawsuit
since women will want a bigger piece, since they had to do your unbearable ugly ass (woman’s thinking if she has slept with an ugly man/ BenBerger) Hence the lawsuit against Berger (who is not that ugly but something about him is dirty) was filed (twice).
The RaiderLaker
this thread is like the Tyra show
you smell that? that's what a winner smells like....
by stonewall jackson on Mar 7, 2010 12:24 PM PST reply actions
I wouldn't know what the Tyra show is like - why do you watch it?
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 7, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
The Tyra show teaches one the fundamentals of gossiping, you should watch sons, its educative.
JK… its not, as I have never watched it but I would imagine its about celeb gossip or something.
The RaiderLaker
Unfortunately....
I do. I also watch Keeping up with the Kardashians and whatever else my wife forces me to watch.
you smell that? that's what a winner smells like....
by stonewall jackson on Mar 8, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
To return to Sons' original question
So, is Al enticed by masculine physiques almost as much as he is by speed? Does that factor weigh into his criteria when choosing who he’ll dress in Silver & Black?
Yes, according to this:
Davis has always been enamored of the oversized player, the disruptive guy with the potential to wreak havoc. The 6’8" Matuszak; 6’9" Charles Philyaw; 6’7" Ted Hendricks, the tallest linebacker in history; 7-foot defensive tackle Richard Sligh, the tallest anything—they all have worn the silver and black.
Al also loves a value
ie Mike Bush in the forth and Louis Murphy also in the forth. It seems like the insanity clears some after the second round. Of course that assumes that it is Al drafting every player in every round. My guess is Al falls asleep after the second round then the coach Whomever he may be drafts the rest of the players
Does he love value?
If so, why is he keeping JR and Routt, among others??
Here is a more recent article on Al’s love for tall well-built men:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=weinreb/090526
In 1967, the Oakland Raiders used their 10th-round draft pick on a 7-foot tall defensive lineman out of North Carolina Central. His name was Richard Sligh; he played a total of eight games in his career. And yet the Raiders, as we know, have never shied away from taking chances on freaks of biology, if only because their team happens to be owned by one. Later, Al Davis would also trade for 6-7 Ted Hendricks, the tallest linebacker in NFL history, and sign 6-8 defensive lineman John Matuszak.
by Spirals galore on Mar 7, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
I would love to have another hendricks or tooz
Now THEY are true raiders.
"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell
"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour
Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'
by Ozraider on Mar 7, 2010 3:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The questions in your poll's always amuse me sons
Loaded questions every time haha it’s like do you agree with this point ive (you) just made or do yo agree with another point I’ve made previously. what if I think that al balances every facet of draft picks and has just missed the mark a couple of times? :)
"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell
"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour
Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'
by Ozraider on Mar 7, 2010 3:00 PM PST via mobile reply actions
what?!
Where on earth did you get that?
by Spirals galore on Mar 7, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
so dumb
bey wasnt projected any earlier then the third round?? u my friend are a retard, a lot of “experts” had him late first to third, anywhere inbetween.
What the f__k are you talking about
I don’t see anyone debating the merits of drafting DHB in the top 10 or do you have a form Typing tourettes that causes you to type random outbursts on unrelated blog threads?
"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell
"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour
Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'
by Ozraider on Mar 7, 2010 3:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He was projected by some experts to go int the 6th or even 7th round, Some had in in the 2nd - I took a conservative position
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 7, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
I just love the word "draft experts" Bill Walsh and Mike Shannahan where/are "Draft Experts"
anyone who saw DHB play in college knew he wouldnt fall to the 6th or 7th, so whoever those idiots are they should be fired and deported.
I even cum Black & Silver...
by Tramp "Raider Roxxxtar" on Mar 8, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
we won’t win until we start building a team. We are missing too many key things. First Al Davis is the owner, GM, Head Coach, and everything but a player on the team. Once he allow his coaches to coach, Hire a GM, stop over paying players just because they have been on the team 3-4 years. I am just saying if I was paying Nnamdi he would always be one the #1 wr and the defense would be built around him.
Yooo, Gotta question for you guys....
I’m a Giants fan, and happen to notice that you put a 3rd round tender on Kirk Morrison.
What is up with that? what is the story on this kid? Is he that expendable?
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
He is if al is planning on drafting mclain
"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell
"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour
Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'
by Ozraider on Mar 7, 2010 11:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
seriously though....
whats’ up with him…i never watch OAK games…
I hear the kid can’t stop the run but is great in coverage….bottom line…is he worth a 3rd round draft pick???
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Kirk's decent but doesn't belong where they've stuck him. He's a sure but non-punishing tackler who is fast but lacks
some MLB instincts, namely smelling through deceptions – he takes himself out of plays by reading wrong or getting duped. Great athlete though.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 8, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
thanks man...
i’ve been trying to get a feel for him and people have been telling me that he’s not a MLB in a 4-3…
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
you remember
last year when the ravens played the chargers and the very last play of the game ray lewis burst through the chargers line and smacked sproles 5 yards deep? it was a beautiful gap read and also something morrison has never and will never be able to do.
you smell that? that's what a winner smells like....
by stonewall jackson on Mar 8, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
ANYONE EVER STOP TO WONDER IF AMY TRASK IS DRAFTING THESE FOOLS?!?!!?
come on name one woman you know that wouldnt looove to draft a bunch of big black dudes on to her favorite team!
make sense of why they dont play and still get new contracts? maybe they just “do-it” better!!!
I even cum Black & Silver...
by Tramp "Raider Roxxxtar" on Mar 8, 2010 10:58 AM PST reply actions
seriously im throwing up in my mouth thinking bout it
you smell that? that's what a winner smells like....
by stonewall jackson on Mar 8, 2010 11:00 AM PST reply actions
i think it makes a ton more sense then the whole gay al davis argument sonsofblanda is trying to make!
I even cum Black & Silver...
by Tramp "Raider Roxxxtar" on Mar 8, 2010 11:13 AM PST reply actions
"the whole gay al davis argument sonsofblanda is trying to make"?!
Where did you get this, Tramp? Out of your own disenfranchised mind? Apparently, since you also came up with the Amy Trask slander. The world is not all porn, Tramp.
by Spirals galore on Mar 8, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Slade Norris is a handsome guy
As for Cooper…..not so much haha I dont really think Al is drafting guys based on their looks or build. Im not sure how Al drafts guys anymore, We all know he loves speed, but its hard to figure out Als next step. Thats why being a Raider fan is so hard on your spirit. You just dont know…..
If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?
- Vince Lombardi
I dont think Al Drafts at all...
but just like everyone else here…nobody really effing knows do they!?!?
I even cum Black & Silver...
by Tramp "Raider Roxxxtar" on Mar 8, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
But there is a pattern - everyone, no matter how erratic their behavior appears, has a modus operandi, even crazy people
are predictable once their mind is understood. Speed and Masculine Prototypes are two factors going into Al’s selection – but it’s more complicated than that. As we shall see in Part II.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 8, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think its looks at all
I just think he lacks common sense. All QBs he drafts are the same, they are in the old 80’s mold of tall guys with strong arms who may as well be statues cuz they can’t avoid sacks to save their lives. His WR’s & CB’s are also based on 40 times. His kickers & it doesn’t matter its the same if they’re FG kickers or punters; its always the guy with the biggest leg. Sometimes he gets lucky but most of the time such as recent history he doesn’t. Again why he needs a Bruce Allen or a Ron Wolf type to have control to help but he just loves making everything about him. Its his ego & his hard-on for strong arms, strong legs, & fast guys.
wait--what else than looks is being tall and having great athletic attributes?
That’s what it is about, not facial care.
by Spirals galore on Mar 8, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
Is Sons tall and built yet ugly in the facial area?
If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?
- Vince Lombardi
So your short, out of shape and have a shovel face?
If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?
- Vince Lombardi
Your such a child Sons!
Im rubber your glue…
If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?
- Vince Lombardi
I wish!
Wouldnt that be awesome not to have to use one every damn time!?!
If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?
- Vince Lombardi
drafting for a style of play
I think Al wants to draft for a particular style of play. Vertical offense, base 4-3 man to man, no blitz defense. On offense you need strong armed qb’s (but who also have touch and are accurate), every down backs, big (but also strong and well conditioned) ol’s, fast receivers (but who can also run routes and can catch). On defense you need run stuffers at DT and ILB, good pass rushers at DE, good cover LB’s at OLB, good coverage guys at CB (who are also good one on one tacklers), and sure tacklers at the safety position.
Nothing wrong with all this, however it does seem Al gets distracted by physical stats or specimens and fails to evaluate how a player’s entire skillset will fit on his team.
IMO
The reason AD takes such big “risks” is because he doesn’t want to miss out on the next big superstar like he missed out on Herschel Walker and he is just a balls-y type of guy. A little crazy too.
its really not that complicated...
Man beats man. We win. Thats why we dont blitz. Al says look everyone beat your guy. We’ll get sacks. Tds. Everything so when he drafts he drafts on physical ability. And in theory he’s right, if all my wrs are faster than yours well duh youll pay at somepoint. Where he misses is he never looks at guys work ethics and see’s alot of guys never have played in man up teams. We’ll get there u guys forget the four lazerbeams a game that rookies couldnt catch for td’s or the refs took away…go watch any game.
I even cum Black & Silver...
by Tramp "Raider Roxxxtar" on Mar 8, 2010 11:06 PM PST via mobile reply actions
You really think they are that well built and good looking?
If you are going to write an article about something why not know just a little about what you write. To claim that the so called experts had DHB slotted no sooner than the 3rd round is way off base. Most had DHB to be taken mid to late in the first round.
Al Davis and the Raiders have always been a size, speed team and that has always been a part of them picking up players. Other size, speed teams are the Giants, Cowboys and others.
I remember reading your stuff early in Nnamdi’s first few years as he was being developed by the Raiders, I see you now have him walking on water.
With regards to your claim that the picks are all very well built good looking men. I would sugjest that is your observation and it does get one to thinking. I do not think I ever gave another man such a long hard look, but to each his own lol.
huh?
I remember reading your stuff early in Nnamdi’s first few years as he was being developed by the Raiders, I see you now have him walking on water.
You must be confusing Sons with someone else. He was not on this blog in Nnamdi’s early years.
Also, this is a ridiculous comment which indicates that you missed his point:
I do not think I ever gave another man such a long hard look, but to each his own lol.
by Spirals galore on Mar 10, 2010 5:45 AM PST up reply actions
While Speed and Size are definitely key criteria for Al's choices they don't explain all his player decisions - otherwise
we would all be anticipating Al’s next move. I’m amused by your wording:
I do not think I ever gave another man such a long hard look,
In that regard, it’s about one’s motivation for that appraisal. At any rate, I’m not suggesting that Al’s “long hard look” at these players is motivated by perversion but rather Al’s inclination to associate the prototypical masculine physique with good football potential..
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 10, 2010 7:12 AM PST up reply actions




























