By method or madness: discerning the intentions of Al
Let's try a different approach, basing Al's draft choices on candidates that the Raiders have actually gone to the trouble of calling in for a workout. If the intentions of Al et al. can be discovered from the following then, at least, we will be better prepared for what lies ahead. These players were all invited and came to workout in the presence of Al himself.
Center:
Maurkice Pouncey - Florida (HT: 6-4⅛ WT: 304 40: 5.23) projected 1st - high 2nd round
Matthew Tennant - BC (HT: 6-4½ WT: 300 40: 5.16) projected: 3rd round
Note: Here's a clear indication that Center is high priority that most of us were not emphasizing enough. I for one was looking ahead to Wisniewski next year but would be ecstatic with a solid Center. No Raider team has gone far without a great Center such as Barrett Robbins, Don Mosebar, Dave Dalby, Jim Otto (5 Super Bowls with these Centers and none without.
WR:
Golden Tate - Notre Dame (HT: 5-10¼ WT: 199 40: 4.42) projected 2nd round
Trent Guy - Lousiville (HT: 5-8 WT: 171 40: 4.52) projected: 7th round or untaken
Note: Be prepared for a WR in the 2nd round; perhaps the next Tim Brown.
MLB:
Jamar Chaney - Mississippi St. (HT: 6-0¾ WT: 242 40: 4.54) projected 3rd round
Note: Not a horrible choice in the 3rd even though Jamar is not a hard hitter and although he played college ball in the Deep South, he grew up safely away from ts corrosive influences.
Defensive Tackle:
Tyson Alualu - California (HT: 6-2⅜ WT: 295 -40: 4.87) projected: 3rd - 4th round
Note: We've only brought in a single DT and he lives 10 miles away. This does not bode well unless we are set on him.
OLB:
Dekoda Watson - Florida State (HT: 6-1⅜ WT: 240 40: 4.56) projected: 4th round
DE/OLB
Jerry Hughes - TCU (HT: 6-2 WT: 255 40: 4.69) projected: 3rd round
Daniel Te'o-Nesheim - Washington (HT: 6-3½ - WT: 263 - 40: 4.75) projected: 6th round
Offensive Tackle:
Marshall Newhouse - TCU (HT: 6-3¾ WT: 319 40: 5.00) projected 6th round [note: reports that he will be converted to Guard in the NFL)
Kevin Haslam - Rutgers (HT: 6-4¾ WT: 304) projected: 7th round
Nic Richmond - TCU (HT: 6-7 WT: 310) projected 7th round
Note: Could one of these hidden gems make us forget Trent Williams and, in Newhouse's case, Iupati and become the answer to our prayers?
CB:
Leroy Vann - Florida A&M (HT: 5-9 WT: 188) projected 7thround
Note: Would Stanford Routt, if nobody else, be delighted with this acquisition?
Safety:
Chad Jones - LSU (HT: 6-2⅛ WT: 221 40: 4.57) projected: 2nd - 3rd round
Stevie Brown - Michigan (HT: 5-11 WT: 212 - 40: 4.52) projected: 7th round
Andrew Sandejo - Rice (HT: 6-1 WT: 221) projected: 7th or untaken
Note: Men have far worse fetishes than Safeties.
Quarterback:
Sean Canfield - Oregon State (HT: 6-3¾ - WT: 223 40: 4.99) projected: 6th round
Mike Kafka - Northwestern (HT: 6-2⅞ WT: 225 40: 4.93) projected: 6th round
Jonathan Crompton - Tennessee (HT: 6-3 WT: 225 40: 4.89) projected: 6th round
Note: We do not have a 6th round pick so be looking for one of these in the 7th.
RB:
Curtis Steele - Memphis (HT: 5-11-0 WT: 190 40: 4.60) projected 7th round
Note: the antithesis of a FB and not what many of us were hoping for in the 7th.
Love it or hate it, things may go like this:
Round 1 (draft pick #8) Center: Maurkice Pouncey
Round 2 (draft pick #39) Wide Receiver: Golden Tate
Round 3 (draft pick #69) Middle Linebacker: Jamar Chaney
Round 4 (draft pick #116) Defensive Tackle: Tyson Alualu
Round 5 (draft pick #148) Offensive Tackle: Marshall Newhouse
Round 7 (draft pick #225) Quarterback: Mike Kafka
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Pouncey would be great, but not at 8.
Also, they need to get a T that can start this year. I have never seen him play, but I am guessing Newhouse isn’t ready for this.
Whatever they do, I want to see them maximize their value. If Pouncey is the guy, great get him, but trade down and pick up an extra pick.
I am really torn on the Tate pick. On the one hand, I think he would be a good addition, but on the other hand I want lineman.
Good research SoB.
Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast.
I doubt they’ll take Pouncey. I think Satele will get 1 more year. Besides that, there are far worse problems on our O Line than Center. Far Worse. Pop Warner D Ends will kill us on one side. Nuff Said. Pray for Iupati, or sell yer soul for Suh.
by the red guy on Apr 14, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess this draft fills most of our needs except fullback
This is not how I would go about filling needs, but Al has never done things the way I would anyhow. Pouncey is an interesting pick and Golden Tate is a real talent, I just didn’t think WR was that much of a need. We all know how Al loves his receivers.
All in all It could go a lot worse than this. So I’ll take it. If this is how it goes.
Thanks Sons for the different perspective
Yup.
With the current offense, a fullback would be invaluable. Of course, we have a new guy in the offensive wheelhouse.
Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death
agreed
a fullback is a must at some point whether it be draft or a decent FA.
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If we are going to reach for an O-Line position other than Tackle at 8 is has to be for Iupati and no one else
We don’t need a receiver in the second………..i ve said that this would be a very hard draft to screw up, this would be one way of screwing it up.
If we had this draft but got Iupati in the first and Pouncey in the second i could live with that.
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Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'
Pouncey in the second would be perfect...
I am really hoping for at least 3 OL out of this draft.
Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast.
by Rich Langford on Apr 13, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep
They better fix what’s wrong with with DHB before they draft ANOTHER receiver. Or even convert DMF to wide out.
+1
If we draft another WR in the 1st round I will scream at the top of my lungs to try and blow out AD’s ears. That is the last pick we need to make.
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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Apr 14, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
sorry, I'm not with it
No Guards picked at all, and O-Tackle is not picked until the 5th round. I like the idea of bringing in a Center, but not sure is a good value with the #8 pick. If this included a trade back to later in the 1st with an additional pick than I would be happier about it.
"We have to win eight. I'll be crushed if we don't win eight." CRN...Eat it BN, lol
I have been saying many times that we should trade down to get as many picks we b/c there so many holes to fill. At least we’re pretty much set on WR, HB, TE, and QB(Bruce will do. I believe in him.) We also don’t need a K or P, so that leaves us OL, LB(MLB), a hard hitting D lineman, a decent CB to complement Nnamdi, and possibly FB. Did I miss anything?
Haden
I read somewhere today that he said one of the teams he has talked to the MOST was the Raiders.
Haden on the 1st round!
I think this is the first pick, too
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I hope you're right.
He’d be worth a pick at #8.
Snag Cody in the 2nd if he makes it, and our RT or MLB in the 3rd or 4th.
If the Raiders draft Haden at 8
they are going to have approximately a billion dollars wrapped up in cbs.
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by Rich Langford on Apr 13, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
haha But imagine a CB duo of Haden and Nnamdi!
Joe would greatly learn and benifeit from playing next to one of the greatest CB’s to play the game. Nnamdi isn’t even 30 and is already a great. If he had another CB to complement him, he will soon be the greatest CB to enter the league.
In Bruce We Trust
I would love it!
And they could cut Routt’s sorry ass! I just don’t think it is happening. I am taking Routt’s tender as a sign they are not considering cb a big need, which sucks.
To me, great Raider teams start with awesome cb and line play.
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by Rich Langford on Apr 13, 2010 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
They're definitely taking one, earlier than later
I’ve heard lots of interviews of corners, when asked who they’ve talked to and their best guess at who was most interested, the Raiders were in the group most often.
While they’ve done a great job of throwing smoke screens and feigning interest wherever possible, there have been signs of this being a priority in Oakland.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Haden would be a good pick!
Still like trading down for more picks 2 many holes.
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If your thesis is correct,
all recent drafts must have had a private workout first. Is that the case?
Not necessarily, but its clear that the Raiders seek to fill positions played by players they bring in
The rounds projected for those brought-in is an indication of how high (or low) they consider that position’s need.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 13, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
By virtue of that thinking, maybe the multitude of guys at certain positions suggests a trading down, and acquiring of additional later picks?
to take several options at those positions?
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Sorry, but Maurkice is the only pick I would enjoy here.
And he’d be a HUGE reach at 8. If Oakland wants him that bad, then trade down and get another 3rd or something.
Otherwise, If the draft turns out like this, Id consider it a major fail! It fills the needed positions but the wrong guys at those positions.
Golden Tate is gonna be great at the next level, but another WR would clog the spot in Oakland. Jamar Cheney looks like he has back up quality, So Im not really high on him. Tyson Alulua looks awesome, But just not what Oakland needs again. He’s undersized and wouldnt do the needed job. That Tackle looks like shit, So I think that be the bigger failure of this proposed draft.
I sure hope the draft doesnt end up like this.
In Bruce We Trust
Lower picks
As you all know, AD rarely trades down (don’t even have an example); however, he does a decent job finding players in lower rounds. Perhaps it’s his scouting dept who make those picks. With first 2 picks, rarely tips his hands by inviting players to camp. He’ll send a scout for a private workout. Howie Long always mentions how shocked he was by the Raiders picking him as the workout only lasted 5 minutes. AD clearly likes to reach in the 1st round. I can’t recall a guard or center getting picked in the top 10; Gallery may not make through the season. We’re soft on the line but expecting a lower 1st/2nd round to start and impact is unrealistic.
Food for thought – Trade our #8 and DMac for Big Ben and Pitts 2nd or next year’s 1st round. Pitt picks Clausen. We either put him in AA or give him Tiger’s discarded black book.
You know, I'm not for picking up a WR
but Tate’s probably the only one I would consider taking. He won’t be there in the 2nd though.
tatum, davidson, romanowski, wisniewski...LET'S GET NASTIER!!!!
only
if it’s a late pick to replace a Nick Miller who might not fully recovered; that new WR would absolutely need to be able to return kicks.
by raiders4liffe on Apr 14, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Tate's Going #8!!!!
Bet on THAT!!! ;)
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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Apr 14, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
When Al was watching Mays he was sidetracked by Tate - who owned him in meeting
by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 14, 2010 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Owned?
Looked like a perfect throw from Clausen in between two defenders that really did it. The same Clausen that a lot of people in here don’t think has it.
Tate would make any QB look better, I love the guy, gets open, a ball hawk, dangerous after reception, humble
great athlete all around. If we took him I’d be thrilled b/c we’d get to watch him live at home 8 or more times/yr.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 15, 2010 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions
How it should go
And how its gonna go are two different things. Look for Bryant or Tate at #8. Yup, we need linemen, but Al is still stuck in an era where one bluechip skill player can win games for you.
Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death
Affter watching a couple of Bo Jackson highlight films, I was thinking that DMC is making our line look bad and
JaMarcus was making our line look bad as well. Maybe the line is not so bad and we just needed more B&B – Bush & Bruce. … but then, there’s that Dallas game.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 14, 2010 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Could be mostly center, but I believe the entire interior is in need of upgrade
and though the tackles might not be that bad, better tackles do not rely on their fellow lineman to consistently perform, so it’s a red flag, nonetheless.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Yes, just a thought and then there's game film and DTs and LBs coming through unchecked - the Center
and Guards must stand for an account.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 14, 2010 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm glad
I’m not the only one who notices a severe deficit in the middle of the O-line. The center and guard play is deplorable right now. Satele was beginning to pick it up, but I would be willing to shop Gallery.
Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death
on that note, DMac might finally break free off tackle
if the tackle were able to gain a head of steam about five yards down field, where he’s supposed to be, after the center and guard both collapse the defense from the middle first. You really only need about six inches or a foot from your center, but definitely can’t give up an inch to make it happen.
It’s supposed to be like a chain reaction occurring from the center, a few inches to a foot from the center, giving your guard 2-3 feet, your tackle 4-8 and so on, with a fb clearing a lane. Could be part of the reason we saw DMac colliding with tackles asses all the time. I’d love to see what a Pouncey and Iupati combo would do to remedy that. There are actually a few pretty nice guard center combos that would be a definitive upgrade over one side and the middle, as we speak. I hope those two positions are priority, with DT and MLB of course.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
It's exciting to image just what our running game could be (not to mention improved pass protection)
with those two additions – or Olsen, Tennant, Waldon at Center. But get ready for Tate or Haden – and I honestly wouldn’t mind either of them either or OT Trent Williams. Our ears and eyes will be strained like starving leopards when the facist, Goodhell, announces #8.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 15, 2010 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions
trade down
we can trade down an get san fran 1st 2 picks an get C pouncey and T campbell wit them 1st 2 picks and hopefully brian price fall 2 us in the 2nd round…and i dont mind drafting another corner to compete for the 2nd string spot Al vernur or perrish cox will b there late n the rounds 5-6th…i hope we keep kirk morrison for another yr…because its only 2 mlb i am set on an that is Mcclain an spikes….w.e. the raiders do i hope there improvements 2 the team in real life not jus madden
by Rell Rell Lynch on Apr 14, 2010 2:53 PM PDT reply actions
I only like Pouncey if we trade down to get him.
Probably 17 with SF since they have a few picks they can spare to move up & probably get a QB. I also like Tate but we have far more serious needs than receiver. At this point I wouldn’t be too upset seeing Haden picked even though I’ve been begging for line help for the past 3 years.
Full Back
As a Kentucky Native an a Raiders Fan for 39 years..A great fit at Full Back would be Bonner from Kentucky …He would be a Steal for this team in the last round !!!!!!!!!!!!
Why not take another defensive player
and get Ritchie Brockel as an unsigned free agent?
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Anyone else looking at WR besides Denver?
Tate’s a legit WR and a signal to DHB that he’s on thin ice. Who leaves the WR corps to make room for him though? Murphy’s a good WR, maybe Schilens goes? I’m seeing a trade going down with someone the more I think about it.
tatum, davidson, romanowski, wisniewski...LET'S GET NASTIER!!!!
by angelesoterica on Apr 15, 2010 10:28 PM PDT reply actions
we're too impatient
Let me attempt to take a stab at defending him. please bear with me. DHB was a rookie with limited catches in college, we all knew that. He didn’t ask to be taken at #7; he just accidently caught AD’s eye on a track meet. We all knew his routes weren’t clean and saw numerous drops on film. Why would that change 4 months later? Now developing WR takes 2 -3 yrs (Jerry Rice had 3 TDs rookie yr with loads of drops) and eddie royal with the dunkies had a significant step backwards last season (37 versus 91 catches; 5 TDs versus 0). DHB will be a 3 yrs project, he didn’t deserve to start but AD wanted to groom him in deep water. Not his fault. JR didn’t put in the work with his WRs in the offseason. Not his fault. Multiple messages from different coaches. Not his fault. Cable calling plays. Not his fault. Now where are we? DHB needs to show big time progress in catching the ball with his hands and not body and to run the damn routes correctly, before training camp. During camp, his timing with whichever QB needs to get done. By the middle of the season, he’ll need to improve concealing his routes and not tipping off the play. We all know he has the God given speed. What he needs to show is a deep desire to to improve and I believe that he can get there with the assumption that catching skills can be acquired.
by raiders4liffe on Apr 16, 2010 3:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Hear! hear! well spoken. DHB is, by all accounts, improving at a steady and steep rate. So with Murph, Chaz, DBey
and Tate, Grad can won’t be able to wear them out with weekly 250-300 yd games.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 16, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm only saying DHB needs to be challenged
and Tate will do that. Who drops off the WR depth chart is my question. We aren’t suddenly going to run 4wide sets on a regular basis. At most, 3wide sets, and that’s debateable. So we have DHB, Tate, Murphy, Schilens, Higgins, Holland and Watkins. Who among the first 4 is gone?
tatum, davidson, romanowski, wisniewski...LET'S GET NASTIER!!!!
by angelesoterica on Apr 17, 2010 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions
A Look At The Obvious -or- Ridiculous
Scenario #1…
Al will for the 1st time trade down in the 2010 NFL draft out of the 1st n 2nd rds amassing a tremendous collection of 3rd to 7th rd pick to fill up his shopping list with the “LunchBox” types that Cable says he loves…
Scenario #2…
We will trade our 1st n 2nd rd selections for "QB"s so consequently only have our later rd picks remaining…




































