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The 1st round (nearly) decided, now we decide our 2nd pick

With much ink and bad blood spilled and impassioned arguments made, the Raiders' 1st round pick is all but settled, at least, among the intelligentsia of the fan base: Either OT Trent Williams or Bryan Bulaga or Guard Mike Iupati will certainly be associated with the Raiders for years to come starting Aprill 22nd. Now the time has come to make the all important 2nd selection for Friday, April 23.

Given that our O-line upgrade is made Thursday, the next position of need must be settled between the other three positions of greatest need - DT, CB, MLB.  Note: there will be some who protest that QB should be on, or at the top, of that short list; to them I say, "In Bruce We Trust."

Now, I will start by saying that after painstaking deliberation over our present state, there is little doubt that the LCB position is a glaring need crying out to Al and to heaven above for help It is true that Chris Johnson is persecuted by OCs and QBs who would not venture throwing against the living legend - the Asom1 - and wisely choose to exploit the less gifted CJ and his even less worthy understudy (the much, and deservedly, maligned and overpaid) Stanford Routt.  With a more proficient CB that leaky disorderly and sometimes shameful weakness called the left flank would be solidified and more evenly balanced with the right flank. The pass-rush too would suddenly become more effective.

Indeed as well, we were deficient on the D-line interior last season. But, while our CB position is very thin -  we now have only 3 CBs on the roster - at DT we have four players (Kelly, Bryant, Chris Cooper and William Joseph). Moreover, one of those DTs is destined for greatness, Desmond Bryant, a muscular 300lb war machine with deep understanding and determination. Kelly is better than average and occasionally flashes goodness but, alas, is given to sloth and played inconsistently. There is the possibility, given his talent, that our new DL coach, Mike Waffle, can make him play closer to his potential.

Then, there is the MLB position which is held down, so to speak, by Kirk Morrison who despite making over 100 tackles/year is not considered worthy of a 3rd round draft pick because after six years Morrison still cannot adequately read and adapt to defenses and takes himself out of plays and gets entangled with blockers. If Morrison could shed blocks he might have challenged Willis for the tackling crown - at least in quantity if not quality - for Kirk is not a hard hitter.  There is, however, Ricky Brown who showed good potential until he was injured; Rick is healthy now and may usurp the veteran for the greater good and glory of the S&B.

So now we must weigh our options and wisely select which position and player to draft with our 2nd pick.

Star-divide

2nd Round projections (and a couple of reaches) in positions of need:

Corner Back

Devin McCourty - Rutgers (HT: 5-10¾ - WT: 193 - 40: 4.48)  Very high football IQ, a game-changer, makes a lot of plays... Reads the quarterback well and breaks on the ball quickly, has very quick hands, can get them up in a hurry.

Perrish Cox - Oklahoma State (HT: 5-11⅜ - WT: 195 - 40: 4.57) absolute ballhawk, always making plays both in coverage and in run support... Physical player, is not afraid of contact... Does not miss many open-field tackles.

Brandon Ghee - Wake Forest (HT: 5-11⅝ - WT: 192 - 40: 4.45)  Good tackler, has been known to force fumbles, loves to lay the big hit, puts his helmet into the football.

Patrick Robinson - Florida State (HT: 5-11¼ - WT: 190 - 40: 4.46) Very physical at the line of scrimmage, likes to play in press coverage... Great hands, can make acrobatic plays in coverage... Has terrific instincts, can read quarterbacks eyes

Syd'Quan Thompson - California (HT: 5-9¼ - WT: 186) Reads and reacts well, very good awareness in coverage... Tackles very well for his size, one of the better tackling CBs in the nation... Good speed, closes and recovers well... Good fundamentals on his back pedal and footwork... good at jamming WRs at the line. Instinctive playmaker, has that innate ability to change the game when he’s on the field.Durable, has not missed a game for the Bears in four seasons as a starter.(projected 3rd b/c he's short (but he jumps like a flea)).

Defensive Tackle

LaMarr Houston - Texas (HT: 6-2¾ - WT: 305 - 40: 4.85) Very explosive off the ball, lateral quickness makes him tough to block inside... Has a strong base at the point of attack, very disruptive in the backfield.

Linval Joseph - East Carolina (HT: 6-4½ - WT: 328 - 40: 5.11)  Generates pressure on the QB, workout warrior, Space-eater, difficult to move, 39 reps of 225 pounds, 415 lb bench press, 560 lb squat.

Middle Linebacker

Daryl Washington - TCU (HT: 6-1¾ - WT: 230 - 40: 4.66) Very athletic, all-around player. Consistent tackler. Good speed, uses speed to scrape well and get sideline to sideline with ease... a leader.

Pat Angerer - Iowa (HT: 6-0¼ - WT: 235 - 40: 4.70) projected 3rd round  242 tackles in two years... Good in pass coverage, five interceptions in 2008... Played on one of the top defenses in the Big Ten... Plays tough, does not give up on plays, hits the gaps hard while maintaining control... drives feet very well when tackling, moves piles backward.

Sean Lee - Penn State (HT: 6-2⅛ - WT: 236 - 40: 4.76 )Really smart player who has a nose for the football... Play recognition skills are among the best in college football... a leader.

Poll
Should the 2nd pick be a DT, CB, or MLB?
Defensive Tackle
636 votes
Corner Back
230 votes
Middle Linebacker
285 votes

1151 votes | Poll has closed

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Trade up

for Witherspoon or Tate, because both of them seem like surefire talents IMO. Otherwise, draft a CB to play opposite Nnamdi, because CJ is better suited as a nickel, not a starter. Robinson might not make it past the first round, but luckily this draft is deep in CB’s, so McCourty seems like a feasible option.

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by golden_solitude on Apr 15, 2010 11:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Voted for DT

though I want Angerer. It seems likely that we get a trench guy. Even though I like Bryant, we need a guy to rotate in to spell TK and Bryant, giving our d-line an actual rotation that doesn’t involve Seymour going inside. Joseph is our annual sign/cut/sign/cut guy.

tatum, davidson, romanowski, wisniewski...LET'S GET NASTIER!!!!

by angelesoterica on Apr 16, 2010 12:34 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm looking for a break-out year for Bryant - it's in his gene's and his mistakes last year should be eliminated. Warren is

gone and Chris Cooper, apparently is filling his place. I expect a DT after round 2 based on the projections of players at DT brought in for workouts, e.g. Jerry Hughes – TCU (HT: 6-2 WT: 255 40: 4.69) projected: 3rd round

by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 16, 2010 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hope Bryant starts

and if Joseph stays on the roster it’s because he’s an ex-giant who knows Wauffle’s system. As I said, I want Angerer. Too late to change my vote.

tatum, davidson, romanowski, wisniewski...LET'S GET NASTIER!!!!

by angelesoterica on Apr 17, 2010 2:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

i want change this all up;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

we trade our 8th pick for the steelers ,18th pick with big ben at qb is ours and send j russell to the steelers and at 18 we can get luptai. 2nd round get l. joesph

by sports with steve on Apr 16, 2010 1:10 AM PDT reply actions  

I Thought About It

I would love a DT in the second. I think we have some talent we can fit in at DT at times, so going DT in the first is not logical. What we need at DT is a space filler and Joesph fills it well.

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by Rayder K on Apr 16, 2010 3:13 AM PDT reply actions  

i say stick with the oline cooper carlisle is at the end of his time here

maukrice pouncey could be available in the early second but if we went with a RT in the first and a RG in the second or a center which we do need an upgrade at as well we could have a solid oline and get back to running the ball well which we need to do better…i am hopeful that a big two gapping NT is there in the third Linval Joseph could be a two down player IMO but the Oline has to be better if we want our QB to succeed

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by BRIANMULHALL on Apr 16, 2010 3:48 AM PDT reply actions  

If we go O-line in the 1st it's likely we'll get a defensive player in the 2nd. Cable's been working with current O-linemen on his

ZBS contraption that he believes will unlocks the O’s potential. The ZBS takes a long time to develop b/c it requires decision making by the linemen in such short order that almost natural reflex reactions are necessary – and those reflexes/reactions take time. Meanwhile, the middle is weak (DT & MLB) and the left flank is picked apart b/c CJ is a weak link.

I would like to see Oakland take an O-lineman 1st in the next 4 drafts but not 2 in succession this year when CB play is killing us.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 16, 2010 6:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sons-of-Blanda you are correct, Zone Blocking takes time to develop & most lineman never zone block, only a few NFL teams use this scheme and almost no NCAA teams....

However, once mastered, it is very effective and normally produces high yardage running games for multiple runningbacks…1st round should be O line, remember quality football still requires talent, and we lack talent on the O line, first round should be a tackle…Second round based upon the player available I might take another O lineman…However, Cornerback and Middle linebacker should be considered as well, on the DT front, I might look to the later rounds…Next, NO WAY I would annoint B-Grad to be my starting QB, sorry, again it is a talent issue, I would still look for a young guy in the very late rounds with a developmental upside, unless a QB too good to pass is sitting there 2nd or 3rd round. Plus with the addition of Kyle Boller who I believe is a better QB with more talent than B-Grad, we may be able to start making some plays if our receivers can learn to disguise their routes. Corner should be a focus, however, there are some sleepers out there we can get in the third and forth round…I mean good ball players including Thompson, Cal and Ghee, Wake Forest, I am very high on those two, and Robinson, Florida State can hold his own as well…Should make for an interesting draft…

by Rodney Sacramento on Apr 17, 2010 4:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Devin McCourty is the best CB out of that group.

But I would rather take Vlad Ducasse for our OG. He is going to be a thug at RG.

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by DarthDavis on Apr 16, 2010 4:05 AM PDT reply actions  

If anyone votes for Perrish Cox they get their Draft Scout card pulled

He would really piss me off if he was the pick. One of my least favorite CB’s in this draft outside of Chris Cook.

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by DarthDavis on Apr 16, 2010 4:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gotta grab a DT

Linval Joseph has a rare mix of size,speed and power. With the rotation of him, Kelly and Bryant, Mike Wauflle should be as happy as a child on chirstmas morning.

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by JaKe. on Apr 16, 2010 5:29 AM PDT reply actions  

You may be right, but Desmond was only a rook last year and showed flashes of glory. Imagine how he'll be this year!!

Plus, Waffle is running this line and Kelly won’t get away with his mincing and lallygagging. Kelly and Seymour are two guys who played way under their potential last year and now that Dwayne is gone and Waffle is in charge these two will play better.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 16, 2010 6:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I expect Bryant to play exceptionally better as well, But that doesnt hide the fact that

Oakland needs a big NT. Bryant is a DL type of guy, He can play DT and DE, but cant play NT. I expect Kelly and Seymour to have great years, with Wauffle and hopefully a new DT, they should both excell.

Phillip Rivers Is A Fag.

by JaKe. on Apr 16, 2010 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I say McCourty

and go DT in the 3rd (Joseph, Troup or Thomas) one should be there.

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by S-n-B4life on Apr 16, 2010 6:48 AM PDT reply actions  

2nd Round pick

Before declaring a DT or CB should be selected in the 2nd round, I think it depends who is available at that time. Also, don’t discount the possibility of trading up as one blogger suggested and selecting another offensive lineman (Bruce Campbell or Maurkice Pouncey, if either is still available at the end of the 1st round). Especially if we trade down from the 8th overall selection and take Idaho guard Mike Iupati in the 1st round.

by Il guapo on Apr 16, 2010 6:54 AM PDT reply actions  

First and Second Round

230 pound middle linebackers? Uh , no.

A tackle at 8? See: Mario Henderson, Left Tackle. An Al Davis Personal Selection. Praised publicly by same. Rookie right tackle with the 8th overall pick? Uh, no.

Cornerback a distinct possibility, especially if Joe Haden is there. Also defensive end, as Al loves his playmakers in the frist round. See: Jason Pierre-Paul or Derrick Morgan.

Smart choice? Maurkice Pouncey. Best center prospect to come out of college in many years. Future Pro Bowler. Anchors the line for a decade. Continues the Raider tradition of dominant centers, and allows the Raiders to actually compete against the three teams in the AFC West that run 3-4 defenses. Not a reach if he is as good as advertised, and chances are very good that he’ll pan out a whole lot better than the last three Raiders picked in the first round.

Second round? If Al goes o-line in the first, then best (non-safety) defensive player available. If he goes defense, then best offensive lineman available regardless of position.

by edward teach on Apr 16, 2010 7:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Pouncey would be great! But Im still rooting for Tom and Al to grab Iupati.

In a fantasy land, We’d trade our 8 for two late 1st’s and grab both. but thats why its a fantasy.

Phillip Rivers Is A Fag.

by JaKe. on Apr 16, 2010 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I voted DT

I still think we need to take an O lineman for our second pick. I heard your argument about drafting once a year in the up coming drafts but I think fixing it sooner rather than later is the best way to go.

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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Apr 16, 2010 8:04 AM PDT reply actions  

You are kidding yourself

You are kidding yourself to possibly think you can guess who the Raiders will draft and only setting yourself up for disappointment. Based on last year’s draft it will be someone you never heard of.

by IRSBuster on Apr 16, 2010 8:35 AM PDT reply actions  

We know

But we always pray and hope for otherwise.
We cant be pesimistic all of the time. A conventional projected pick based upon widely agreed upon rank and positional need on the team would be awesome but we know past history can be like a wrench thrown through a window when it comes to that.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Apr 16, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why would you just base it on last year's draft?

What a stupidly small sample size to base an opinion on. Al’s first round picks are filled with more non-surprises than surprises.

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by Rich Langford on Apr 16, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hope for the Best, Expect the worse!!!

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by S-n-B4life on Apr 16, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

If I may expand on your thoughts to a little more severe extent. I believe it is Pray for the best and prepare for the worst.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Apr 16, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought it was

Grab a drink and get ready for the worst.

by Rusty23 on Apr 16, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

NT is what we need and Linval is the man for the job

together with a new MLB. That “D” would give the offense plenty of time on the field to figure out how to score points.
To all those who want to draft a CB here. I say Chris Johnson is better than a lot CBs out there, he just has to play opposite the best CB in the league. So he gets thrown at more often.
We need more consistent pressure on the other teams QB to make the CBs we have better. No body, not even Nnamdi can cover for 10 seconds. Which is about how much time our D was giving opposing QBs on passing plays.
With the addition of a NT (hopefully Linval) we can put more consistent pressure on the other QB thus helping out our DBs
It will also plug up the giant holes for the other teams RB to run through.

by rambis64 on Apr 16, 2010 9:04 AM PDT reply actions  

Not to be argumentative, but we never gave any QB anywhere close to 10 seconds to throw sometimes 4 and once or twice 5

I can’t think of any line that gives/gave a consistent 6 seconds of pass protection – with the single exceptions of the Raiders greatest O-line in NFL history that had 4 Hall of Famers all at once: Bob Brown, Art Shell, Gene Upshaw and Jim Otto). Maybe that’s why Kenny isn’t in the HoF – people consider the advantage he just too great an advantage.

Your assessment of Chris Johnson is too lenient. CJ makes mistakes out there and leaves his area of responsibility wide-open for big gains. And you didn’t weigh in on the fact that our roster only has 3 CBs on it right now and one of them hasn’t yet signed his tender.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 16, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

not to be picky with you sons

but The Awesome One was like CJ when he played opposite Woodson. If memory serves correctly.

tatum, davidson, romanowski, wisniewski...LET'S GET NASTIER!!!!

by angelesoterica on Apr 17, 2010 2:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cody in the 2nd.

With Brandon Deaderick in the 7th for his rotation.

That should stop the run, and then I wouldn’t feel bad about picking up Derrick Morgan in the 1st. But Joe Haden would just as good.

by xville on Apr 16, 2010 9:14 AM PDT reply actions  

Gotta be DT. DT talent for the size we need takes a significant drop after round 2 where as linebacker and CB have abundant talent in all 7 rounds. Cam Thomas might be okay for the third, but i rather we hear Spikes, Angerer, or Micah Johnson’s name called there. As for corner, Walter Thurman III and Syd’Quan Thompson will both be there and both be ready to learn from the Awesome One.

Linval Joesph is a great pass rusher for 328 lbs, and is a good run stuffer as his size indicates. I’d like to see Wauffle mold Joesph into a great DT in this league who can play for a decade by Bryant.

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by KA1Z3R on Apr 16, 2010 12:57 PM PDT reply actions  

We need a DT talent if it's true we're going OT in the 1st.

We passed on the top DTs available 2 years in a row. The run D will only improve with the personnel being upgraded. Bryant is a solid over-achiever but you think we are going to improve with those 4 options you gave? Come on, Kelly who only has a job because Al likes him? Also Chris Cooper & William Joseph may not even make the team once preseason is over & if they do we’re in trouble. Of those provided the only 1 I like is Linval Joseph. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s there in the early 3rd. Also the ILB’s given are so small they are going to be crushed by FBs & O-line men no matter how much determination or heart they play with.

by TAW on Apr 16, 2010 1:45 PM PDT reply actions  

How would you rank the following DT's?

Geno Atkins, DT, Georgia
Brian Price, DT, UCLA
Linval Joseph, DL, East Carolina

All should be available when the Raiders pick in the 2nd, with the exception of maybe Price.

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by Luxury_Used_Vehicles_By_Braman on Apr 16, 2010 3:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Joesph, Price, then Atkins. Joesph has the size and skills we need, the other two are undersized.

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by KA1Z3R on Apr 17, 2010 6:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

If he was there Price 1st, then Joseph, & then Atkins.

Joseph played on a good East Carolina run defense last year & he was the anchor. He would definitely help. Price seems a little small but he’s got a motor so I would love to have that guy in our rotation. If Geno Atkins is around in the 4th we have to take him. He’s smaller than Price but he looks like a playmaker. He reminds me of Rod Coleman.

by TAW on Apr 16, 2010 5:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Sorry to spoil the party

but big Al is going to take Jimmy Claussen or Dez Bryant with the number 8 pick. Why would he take someone we actually need?

by RazorbackNation on Apr 16, 2010 5:36 PM PDT reply actions  

I'll spoil your party

Dez will go to the browns, Clausen to the bills. Al always takes someone we need, just not the right person we need.

tatum, davidson, romanowski, wisniewski...LET'S GET NASTIER!!!!

by angelesoterica on Apr 17, 2010 2:56 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

finally someone gets it. rec’d

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by KA1Z3R on Apr 17, 2010 6:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Like you, Socrates spoiled parties, changing them into something better

It’s more a question of who than what.
The what is T,CB, MLB, DT
Only Al knows the who.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 17, 2010 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

probaly wont happen but i will love it if they do

maybe take jhavid best in second round if hes still there hes made to be a raider had the fastest 40 time he was even quoted saying saying he ran raider speed after his 40 yard dash in case mcfadden doesnt work out

by gradkowski ftw on Apr 16, 2010 7:20 PM PDT reply actions  

DT

BUT, what too many folks apparently don’t realize/understand is that we need a NT,not just a DT. What we had last year, and for a number of years is a defensive interior consisting solely of undertackles, rather than also using a nose tackle(s). Some of the higher rated DT’s are UT’s, not NT’s. Price, for example.

In my hoped-for draft, Cody was still available in the second, but Joseph would be an acceptable pick as well. The second true NT that I would go for will likely be an UFA, Ekom Udofia from Stanford, and possibly DeMarcus Granger, due to his injury history, giving us at least a couple of NT’s to rotate, with UT’s available to spell them in passing downs.

My draft?

1st round – trade with either Denver, Miami, or San Francisco (11, 12, 13) and pick up either another pick, or a player. The pick is Mike Iupati, which would be early for a OG, but he is also seen as being capable of playing OT, particularly RT. He would go on the right side, and would be a boon to the running game immediately, which would be a benefit to whatever offense Jackson runs.

2nd round – if Jackson backs it, trade the pick for Jared Gaither. If he doesn’t feel it is worth the pick, which currently seems to be the case, then the pick is DT Terrence Cody. I am still a bit apprehensive about his conditioning and long-term prospects, but would take the chance because of the potential of the pick and the need for the position. That isn’t to say that he is a reach, because of his outstanding production, but that he will continue to produce at the next level after getting a big check.

3rd round – It’s possible MLB Brandon Spikes will slide this far, where I would snap him up in a heartbeat, a great value pick here. If Spikes is gone, OT Jason Fox, who would challenge for RT, and allow Barnes to push Henderson for playing time at his more natural LT position. Iupati would then stay at RG.

4th round – If Spikes in the 3rd, then OT Tony Washington, or Selvish Capers. Both are not seen as immediate contributors, but have the ability to play, it just needs to be refined. If Fox in the 3rd, then MLB Jamar Chaney. Although there are a few questions as to his instincts, and he is not quite as physical as I would like, he should be able to improve the run defense behind a true NT.

5th round – DB Crezdon Butler or Alterraun Verner. I think that Verner will move up in the draft, but if he is here, he is the first choice. Either way, a DB to groom and to challenge for the nickel back right away.

5th round – RB Keith Toston; size, good feet, excellent hands, protects the ball well, but not a burner.

7th round – FB Matt Clapp, a blocking beast.

7th round – C Jeff Byers, who looks like a solid backup, but could challenge for the starting job.

Undrafted free agents to bring in: DT’s Ekom Udofia and DeMarcus Granger, DB’s Brandon Brinkley and Shareece Wright, DE John Fletcher, RB Stafon Johnson, and MLB’s Boris Lee and Mike Johnson.

I’d also talk to OG Shawn Andrews, and look to sign him based on what he wants from a contract.

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by signcut on Apr 17, 2010 6:03 AM PDT reply actions  

I like it!

But there’s only one thing I can’t stand. And that is Terrence Cody. He’s too fat and lazy to play at a high level in the NFL, He’ll be a huge waste of a pick and an embarrasement in Oakland.

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by JaKe. on Apr 17, 2010 6:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's what they said about Tony Siragusa

.. and well just look at his career.

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by Zachary Beard on Apr 17, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great breakdown and analysis

This really is going to help with my mock draft write-up, and I’ll be sure to post a link to it here to it.

Could you expand a bit on your explanation of UT versus NT, and why a NT better fits the Raiders defensive scheme?

Who did the Raiders play in this spot over the last few years? Were they more UT or NT? What was the last good NT you had?

I’m not really familiar with the concept of a NT in a 4-3 defense. I can wrap my head better around 1-gap versus 2-gap schemes and players, and I’m thinking what you are saying is that with a NT you really want a big-bodied 2-gap player that can be a wall at the LOS.

Thanks! It’s always an education.

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by Luxury_Used_Vehicles_By_Braman on Apr 17, 2010 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

NT vs UT

Sorry about the delay, but a guy’s gotta work… lol

Basically, if you talk about ‘technique/gap’ players, a NT plays the ‘0’ gap (which is the center), shaded opposite the TE. He is responsible for absorbing double-teams, and hopefully being able to move an anchored blocker(s), disrupting the running game. The UT is a 3-technique on the strong side, who is required to provide a strong pass rush while maintaining their run lane responsibility.

Using two UT’s, as the Raiders have done for years, does not require the offense to double a DT, allowing them to reach the second level and neutralize the MLB, which is why the Oakland run defense has sucked ass for years. It really isn’t about the MLB, but the DT’s in front of him. Look at Ray Lewis’ numbers when there has been injuries in his DL; his tackles have dipped somewhat, but the yards gained have gone up. Morrison is not the problem; the problem is putting a natural Sam in the Mike spot, without the protection of a strong NT.

Added to the fact that the DE’s are also supposed to be able to pressure the passer, the Oakland D-line is made to pressure on passing downs, but is weak against the run so that it can’t force teams into many passing situations, the end result that the defense plays to it’s weakness on a regular basis.

Now that McClain has been taken in the first round (an okay pick), I’m waiting to see what else Al does. If he takes an actual NT or two, then it will be a huge step towards the defense being able to force teams into the strength of the D; if not, then it will be more or less a wasted pick, since the MLB’s effectiveness is limited by that of his DT’s.

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by signcut on Apr 23, 2010 5:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jason Fox isn't suitable either as a 3rd pick and even if he posses a challenge to Barnes or Henderson he wouldn't pose much challenge to NFL DEs

Not real physical at POA… Needs to add 12-15 lbs…. Can be walked back into the pocket… Needs to improve lower body strength… Doesn’t possess much of a punch, lacks any real force… Durability concerns… Might not have the feet or lateral quickness to remain at left tackle in the NFL… May be concerns over injuries late in his career… Late season left knee injury and surgery and hamstring injury while running during pro day will ultimately determine his draft position.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 17, 2010 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

But he's a Hurricane

Automatically makes him good.

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by Zachary Beard on Apr 17, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fox

isn’t a LT, as I see it, but can be a solid RT. Like a lot of college players, he will need to work on his strength, especially in the lower body, but that is not an uncommon evaluation of college OL.

Failure builds character; success reveals it

by signcut on Apr 23, 2010 5:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

It looks like an overwhelming majority for DT

I voted for it of the three position u offered here. I honestly think it’s going to be Tim Tebow in the Second Round and LaMarr Houston in the third round

Don't Trade Nnamdi Idiots!!!
Bring Back Bruce!!!

by B.A.Armstrong on Apr 17, 2010 3:02 PM PDT reply actions  

I think you guys should jump at Brandon Spikes from Florida to beef up your MLB Depth

Morrison is getting any younger.(Or better..)
Here are some of his highlights:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFqTXa89nGA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J734kA0DISg&feature=related
Besides, he’s tough as hell, he almost pulled a guys eyeball out last season. Now you tell me that’s nor Raider material.

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by Zachary Beard on Apr 17, 2010 3:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Thats Raider ball!

 I love to see some hands to the face, some extracurricular pushing, and some trash talk. It is signature Raiders. Ya gotta love’em. If God is a football fan, he is a Raider.

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by spec on Apr 17, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really

I thought he was a Pat’s fan.

My comments aren't random, you just can't think as fast as me....

by Zachary Beard on Apr 17, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Matt Wieters is an Oriole, not a Raider

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by Zachary Beard on Apr 17, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huh?

?

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by spec on Apr 17, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

You have to be an Oriole's fan to understand the joke.

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by Zachary Beard on Apr 17, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

1-11

But they will get better.

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by spec on Apr 18, 2010 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

We can still go undefeated from this point on

I hope God is an Orioles fan.

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by Zachary Beard on Apr 18, 2010 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

1-11

We can at least say we won one game…..

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by Zachary Beard on Apr 18, 2010 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry, but the way the American League West is looking, you guys

might just be bad for a loooooooooong time. Can I hear Relocation? haha

Phillip Rivers Is A Fag.

by JaKe. on Apr 18, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm first and foremost

a diehard Angels fan. So I’m good.

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by spec on Apr 18, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am an Orioles fan

And I am still perplexed.

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by spec on Apr 17, 2010 4:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Matt Wieters is God

And you claimed that God is a Raider. I said that God cannot be a Raider, because he is an Oriole. And how the heck did an Oakland fan such as yourself become an Oriole’s fan?

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by Zachary Beard on Apr 17, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heh.

 I am a displaced Idahoan. I am in southern Virginia now. I have always been an Angels guy, but not much coverage for that team here. The Orioles are kind of stinky, but they are loveable. MASN keeps me in Orioles games.
 And I have always been a Raider fan. 40 years of silver and black awesomeness.

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by spec on Apr 17, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

And its fun for me

to tell these clowns here how bad the BSU Broncos are gonna smoke Virginia Tech on opening day of NCAA ball.

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by spec on Apr 17, 2010 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

You see I am only 17

So I have not witnessed the glory days of the Orioles. But I am sure they will come again.

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by Zachary Beard on Apr 17, 2010 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Please Al!!!

1st round CB
2nd round best talent offensve line T or G
3rd DT
4th MLB
5th C
5th T or G

by 22goose on Apr 19, 2010 2:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Supposing a 1st round talent slips to the Raiders pick in the 2nd round

Great talent but not at a position of need.

For instance, TE Jermaine Gresham is sitting there at the 39th pick, but so is Linval Joseph.

Do you take Gresham, and hope Linval or another DT is available in the 3rd round, or do you take Linval?

"I want to see him pay for want he has done to all these people. That’s what the law should deal with because I don’t think there will be any recovery here at all, none." - Norman Braman after losing a small fortune to Bernie Madoff.

by Luxury_Used_Vehicles_By_Braman on Apr 19, 2010 9:13 AM PDT reply actions  

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