Sprint's Biggest Game Changer For the Oakland Raiders II: Al Davis
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Apr 26, 2010 6:51 AM PDT
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There are many detractors of Mr. Davis in the NFL and every single one of them has got to be impressed with the work that he and his staff did over the past month and especially in the last few days.
Not only did Mr. Davis get two fantastic edge rushing, linebacker/defensive ends with professional experience for a late third and fifth round selection he brought in the perfect quarterback for our system, Jason Campbell. A thank you should also go out to former Raider Bruce Allen on this one as he is the one who traded Campbell to his old boss.
The Oakland Raider draft picks shut up every single person who thought the old man would stick to his fastest player available theory and draft Bruce Campbell in the first and Jacoby Ford in the second. I can still hear the talking heads during the combine talking about how Campbell and Ford would be Raiders. Well, they were right, in a way, they ARE Raiders, they just weren't reached for like our two draft picks, Darius Heyward-Bey and Mike Mitchell were last season.
This season, three FOOTBALL players were selected in the first three rounds and there were the two players with Raider speed who look good coming off the bus in the 4th Round and they are both reporting to Alameda on Friday to begin learning how to be Raiders.
Thank you Mr. Davis and team, you are this week's game changer.
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this just in - if true, Al is free from undue influences
http://forum.sportal.com.au/yaf_postsm1832648_Oakland-Raiders—Insider-Info.aspx
UPDATE ON JAMARCUS RUSSELL
JaMarcus Russell is looking more and more of a fool every day (don’t know how that’s possible). The Oakland Raiders have been in contact with Russell since the Campbell trade and offered Russell a chance to stay on the roster of the Raiders provided that he took a pay cut. Russell has declined to take a pay cut. The Raiders are not going to let JaMarcus participate at the mini-camp this week. Russell however still intends on showing up, and the Raiders are completely aware of this. It is expected that the Raiders simply will not Russell enter Raiders HQ should he arrive without having taken, nor intending to take a pay cut.
Part of me also believes that the Raiders aren’t going to release him until this debacle happens because they want to humiliate him and show the rest of the world just how much more of an idiot he is (if everything that he’s done got reported in mainstream media he wouldn’t be able to go outside without getting egged, would possibly even be in jail).
FURTHER UPDATES
Terrell Owens and the Oakland Raiders are currently negotiating on a contract. TO wants to play for the Raiders and there is mutual interest on both sides. His agent is an ass though. It’s going to come down to $$$, but if Mr. Davis wants him, TO will sign a contract to wear the silver and black. I’m sure this story will develop in the near future…….
Alan Faneca is in the final stages of negotiations with the Oakland Raiders. Faneca has been offered more money by the Raiders than what the Houston Texans were willing to pay for his services. Faneca reportedly “likes what we are doing” as an organization and is expected to put pen to paper officially within the next few days.
Don't Toy With Us Spirals
I like all the news you have provided. I just wonder who will be the odd players out at WR if TO is signed? Probably Higgins, Holland, Watkins, Figures. Of course, they won’t let JFatAss in if he does not take a pay cut necause if he gets hurt, he gets paid anyway.
by Mallard Davis on Apr 26, 2010 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I think JaMamaBoy's mama may be worried
that her golden goose will stop laying the eggs. If the report is true, I am truly sorry for JR, and at the same time despise him for being a wuss for the sake of money.
by Spirals galore on Apr 26, 2010 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions
We’re also told that the former LSU star isn’t getting good advice from his family.
“It’s a drag on the kid and they encourage his poor lifestyle,” an NFL source told National Football Post.
by Spirals galore on Apr 26, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I love it...
I love it all. With a competant QB, TO could be a nice addition. He’s typically on his best behavior in his first season with a team. Faneca would be HUGE for our OL and should really help the run game.
As a Reds fan, I really needed a good weekend from my Raiders. Thank you, Mr. Davis. I hope we can get one more ring for the Old Man.
by DocRam on Apr 26, 2010 7:21 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
TO
Say what you want about TO, but he knows how to practice and run routes. He could be a good influence on the young receivers in that way.
by Mallard Davis on Apr 26, 2010 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions
just like he was a good influence on beefalos WRs
and all the great iggles WRs too. Oh wait, they’re all gone, replaced by better ones.
tatum, davidson, romanowski, wisniewski...LET'S GET NASTIER!!!!
by angelesoterica on Apr 26, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Th only thing that worries me about Faneca is why was he released in an uncapped year?
Cable Bumaye! Raiders Bumaye!
I'm sorry, but this all reeks of horseshit, to put it baldly
The Raiders are going to lock out JaMarcus? They’ll just cut him first.
Haven’t heard peep from any credible source about TO. Not saying it won’t happen, but this is the first I’ve heard.
Cable said regarding Faneca that anything was possible, but that he doesn’t think Faneca would fit what we’re doing. (His words, not mine)
"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"
yes, that's why I said "if the report is true"
We’ll see how reliable this guy is.
The locking-out of JR makes sense though – Al relishes the media scandal, especially when there is no other significant news to eclipse it.
by Spirals galore on Apr 26, 2010 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I know, wasn't criticizing you
Just offering the prediction that I think this guy is full of it.
Would be happy to be wrong on all three counts. Would love to have TO here for a season, would love to see JaFatass humiliated and especially would love to have Faneca step in for Carlisle.
"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"
Even if only the JR part is true, it will be a blast
(This says my evil twin; I on the other hand pity JR.)
by Spirals galore on Apr 26, 2010 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like an Al move
Humiliate him like he did Kitten, er, Kiffen.
tatum, davidson, romanowski, wisniewski...LET'S GET NASTIER!!!!
by angelesoterica on Apr 26, 2010 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions
it is not unlikely that Al
comes out and holds a Kiffin-esque speech over JR’s betrayal – the media will love Al as the repenting sinner, and Al’s ego will love the publicity too.
by Spirals galore on Apr 26, 2010 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Do you think he'll pull out the overhead projector for this one???
When I want Mel Kipers opinion, I'll fucking give it to him !
Me
Wasn't there something awhile back about a clause in his contract?
they had to send him a letter or something, then if he failed to comply, we could cut him with cause. Can’t remember the post it was in.
tatum, davidson, romanowski, wisniewski...LET'S GET NASTIER!!!!
by angelesoterica on Apr 26, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
yes
Check my comment in the fanshot titled “Starting job is Russell’s to lose”
Here is what Article XXIII, Section 3(a) of the current CBA says:
An otherwise qualified player will not be entitled to termination
pay under this Article if the Club can demonstrate that, after receipt of a written
warning from his Club in the form attached hereto as Appendix N, the
player failed to exhibit the level of good faith effort which can be reasonably
expected from NFL players on that Club.
Here is Appendix N:
WRITTEN WARNING GOOD FAITH EFFORT
[date]
Dear [player]:
The Club hereby provides you with written notice that you are failing to exhibit
the level of good faith effort which can be reasonably expected from
players on this Club. If you do not demonstrate the good faith effort which
can be reasonably expected from players on this Club, you will not be entitled
to Termination Pay under Article XXIII of the Collective Bargaining
Agreement if you are terminated before the end of this season.
[Club Official]
[Club name]
If JR doesn’t agree to being terminated and a dispute arises, here is what the generic NFL contract says about disputes:
DISPUTES. During the term of any collective bargaining agreement,
any dispute between Player and Club involving the interpretation or
application of any provision of this contract will be submitted to final and
binding arbitration in accordance with the procedure called for in any collective
bargaining agreement in existence at the time the event giving rise to
any such dispute occurs.
In order to win the arbitration, the Raiders must have a solid file on JR. The fact that he missed the first day of voluntary off-season practice doesn’t amount to much:
No Club official shall indicate to a player that the Club’s off-season workout program or classroom instruction is not voluntary (or that a player’s failure to participate in a workout program or classroom instruction will result in the player’s failure to make the Club).
Nor does the fact that he went to Las Vegas during the first weekend of off-season practice:
The CBA limits such workouts to four (4) days per week; such workout programs are not permitted on weekends.
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by Spirals galore on Apr 26, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Thank you
I knew I’d seen it somewhere.
tatum, davidson, romanowski, wisniewski...LET'S GET NASTIER!!!!
by angelesoterica on Apr 26, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
"JaMarcus, I said you were a great player...
….but I got over it."
"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"
and to Lance Kiffin I'd like to say ...
you we’re right, but I just can’t bring myself to say it"
When I want Mel Kipers opinion, I'll fucking give it to him !
Me
Name
That be Lane Kiffin unless you are trying to be funny. If Lane had his way and the Raiders had not drafted JaFatAss and Monty Kiffin had come on as D Coordinator the Raiders would be further along.
by Mallard Davis on Apr 26, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree
Lame Kiffen is just a good salesman but a jackass and a crook.
Getting rid of him was the start of the turn around and was the best thing Al could have done i just wish he had have done it at the start of the saeson so we didnt have to waste another year but if we had we might not have installed coach Madden…..sorry i meant Cable who imo is the best coach we have had since chucky.
"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour
Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'
Al called Lane "Lance" at a press conference
And Oz is right. Any a$$wipe that would purposely sabotage a team the wayy he did just to get fired does not have the right to call himself a man.
Before the draft Kiffin was giving mixed signals about Russell. There an article out there
where he praised jamarcus before we took him.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 26, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
huh?
further along? Monty didnt want to come to the raiders or last I read… thats like say if “goose” didnt smash on Gannon we’d have one the SB.
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
Is this true?
I’m not sure I trust a forum for this, I guess this sounds okay too me if true
Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Attacking others only attacks yourself
must be true - at least the JR part
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/raiders/detail?&entry_id=62150
JaMarcus Russell’s agent, Ethan Lock, did “not want to talk about it” when called this morning to see if the Raiders had asked his client to take a paycut, or if they had talked to the quarterback at all the last couple of days.
by Spirals galore on Apr 26, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Al & his coaches aren't letting up one bit. Al wants another Championship and his faith in the coaches and their opinions
e.g. “wait for Cambell and Jacoby, we’ll get them – you’ll see.” also translates to giving them their head much more this season re personnel choices, strategy etc. I’m trying to be objective and can’t see how we don’t take the division and fight it out with Baltimore, the Jets, Colts or Baltimore for the AFC crown- we are going to be that good.
How wrong we were about Cable
I’d like to offer my apologies to him. If he’s the guy that got Al to draft smartly, he gets coach of the year. As for the season, I’m gonna hold my breath until at least training camp. I hope you’re right. Then I might actually get to watch them on Sundays instead of some crappy team.
tatum, davidson, romanowski, wisniewski...LET'S GET NASTIER!!!!
by angelesoterica on Apr 26, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
No doubt! Thank You, Al, and the Raider's organization, for getting it right!
Factor in how close we were to winning five more games last year, and how complete we suddenly look at positions very recently a weakness, and we are in an enviable position.
I can do with or without TO; I’d prefer without. As for Jamarcus: if we are successful in cutting Jamonumental Pay Wasted, I’m calling for playoff bound beyond a shadow of a doubt.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Nice post
Granted, it’s only the draft and it hasn’t translated to wins yet. But all the media jackasses and even some of our fans may just owe Mr. Davis an apology soon. The phrase “out of touch” have been used all to often. All the way to paying for a big roadside billboard requesting he step down. It’s only fair that if anything bad happens to the franchise he gets the blame, that he should also get credit for any of the good. This weekend was better than good. Definitely putting the talent on the roster to improve drastically. He probably won’t get an “Atta boy” but at least Mr. Davis has shut them up for the time being.
The price is right too
The Jets owe him 5.25 million guaranteed. You have to think some team could land him for a cheap contract and just let the Jets actually pay his salary.
"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"
he can pretty much pick where he wants to play and have the Jets pay him for it
anything he gets from the team he signs with would be a bonus
When I want Mel Kipers opinion, I'll fucking give it to him !
Me
The bonus would be seeing him in Silver and Black
Spirals has a link to a story that we’re cutting JR by locking him out of minicamp, signing Faneca, and signing TO. No one’s gonna see us coming this year.
tatum, davidson, romanowski, wisniewski...LET'S GET NASTIER!!!!
by angelesoterica on Apr 26, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I read that, Seems far fetched, but it's something I desperately want to believe
When I want Mel Kipers opinion, I'll fucking give it to him !
Me
I'm buying it
I believe it because we need a veteran guard, we need to cut JR if he refused the paycut, and could give a shit about TO.
tatum, davidson, romanowski, wisniewski...LET'S GET NASTIER!!!!
by angelesoterica on Apr 26, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't care about T.O. either, but let's just cut JaFatass and be done with it
no need for all that drama. If we’re going to bring in character players shouldn’t the organization have some character too?
When I want Mel Kipers opinion, I'll fucking give it to him !
Me
Curiouser and curiouser - JR is hot news
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Source-JaMarcus-Russell-is-tipping-the-scales-at-300-pounds.html
I don’t think his weight is the issue – Saint saw him the other day and said he looked great. But I do think that Al, knowing about the hype about JR’s weight, is letting info to be leaked to the media.
Big shout out to Mr Davis.
I’ll believe the Faneca and T.O. thing when I see it put on paper. The Raiders have been the most rumored team this off season and it’s not going to stop now. Note, Cable said in an interview that Faneca plays the same position as Gallery and it wouldn’t make much sense to bring him in. That ‘s means, one or the other would have to changes positions and I don’t see it being Gallery. On the other hand, Gallery has been injured lately and it might be a good idea to bring Faneca in. But he wants to much money to be a backup. Where would he fit in as a starter? could he play the other Guard positions? he is kind of an old dog to learn new tricks. Nope, I think this is more of a rumor thing at this point. But I do think the Raiders will add some more players to the offensive line before camps starts.
I think the T.O. signing has more credibility to it. The Raiders could use a Veteran WR. T.O. has been out of the lime light lately and did noting to upset the Buffalo franchise. His numbers were down last year, but he was very productive from a raiders stand point. Not to mention Buffalo has a very weak passing game because of the QB situation. I’m positive T.O. has plenty of gas left in the tank and he would make Campbell that much better. If the price is right, T.O. could be the missing link to the Raiders passing attack this year. He has to be accounted for by the opposing Defense.
Russell, no pay cut and he is out of the league. Unless he is willing to play for the league minimum somewhere else, and that’s a big fat maybe. Davis is still offering Russell more money than he would make else where. JR is a bigger dummy than I thought if he doesn’t take the pay cut. It’s not like he is hurting for money.
JR can't possibly be a bigger dummy than I think he is.
as far as money goes, with guys like that there is never enough money ,G-5s, fur coats,and diamonds the size of hubcaps don’t come cheap. Plus this douche thinks he’s entitled to it.
When I want Mel Kipers opinion, I'll fucking give it to him !
Me
Faneca would be the RG
With Campbell learning behind him and taking over for him the following season, Walker would be an emergency player
Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Attacking others only attacks yourself
TO is always nice the first year or 2
then he becomes an ass. This would invalidate the whole point of cutting JR. The goal of this season is to get rid of the waste, not add to it.
tatum, davidson, romanowski, wisniewski...LET'S GET NASTIER!!!!
by angelesoterica on Apr 26, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
"The good news on Gradkowski’s injury is that it was to the left side, and not his throwing side"
Per source.
The RaiderLaker
Somebody on here said that even though it's on his left side
that it will still effect his throwing motion and ability to follow through
When I want Mel Kipers opinion, I'll fucking give it to him !
Me
yes - check Dr. LyleAlzadoPunch's statements to that effect
by Spirals galore on Apr 26, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
It all depends on the tear. Small tear, medium tear, large tear... I doubt this injury is the same eveytime it happens...imo
The RaiderLaker
Yes, but this needed surgery to repair
doesn’t sound like a small tear.
When I want Mel Kipers opinion, I'll fucking give it to him !
Me
if this source is true? when is the news coming out?
i am not a TO fan at all but i have faith in our current wr’s. fanaca would be the best to sign. he could help so much on the o line and campbell if they move him to guard. about the j.russell thing , i can see this happening because he did it before to marcus allen, kiffen. why do this just cut the guy and move on. i guess al is pissed with the money he gave him and his agent. lets see if we here anything on the nfl total channell or espn .
by sports with steve on Apr 26, 2010 10:21 AM PDT reply actions
Al Davis
its love/hate relationship… my god how the tides have turned… last year everyone was lining up at his deathbed, this year everyone is praising him. this is whats known as Jerry Jones disease… RaiderNation… your killing me with your wavering support!!! Ufck Al Davis… he needs to go already!
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
Well, you have to give credit where credit is due. He had a really good draft.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Apr 26, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
on paper it looks like a great draft... but say
Al Davis deserves all the credit is an overstatement… ok may 95% is Al. but if i recall the year we got Jamarcus, Zach, Mario (was a project), JLH, Bush… we said the same thing… “what a great draft”… Just because we made the “smart” pick doesnt mean we had a great draft. Read the draft grade the raiders got, most grades are above average.
Im not trying to be a party pooper here but just because Al, who never gave a “reach around”, now gives a reach around doesnt means it might be different this time around (sorry for the bad analogy).
Good draft, gives room for adulation and expectations but I wouldnt put all our eggs in a basket.
Like I said before. its a love/ hate thing… I dont like Al Davis as a GM but I love the Raiders… I will renew my season tickets even though I complain… its love/hate… Im just not sold on this whole turn around.
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
by gogomaplata on Apr 26, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Starting TE, LT, RB, FB PRT, not bad for one draft!!!
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Apr 26, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
The draft is just a piece to the puzzle.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Apr 26, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Not quite there yet
but dumping Jamarcus Russell would go a long way toward me giving AD any praise. In the end the team still has to win something in order to make a real difference.
"We have to win eight. I'll be crushed if we don't win eight." CRN...Eat it BN, lol
by S Jay Bruin on Apr 26, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
We have had a damn good offseason
No way we can hate on him right now
Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Attacking others only attacks yourself
?
Mr. Davis should never be compared to Jerry Jones. Jones doesn’t know shit about football. And some of us RAIDER NATION never waivered support of Mr. Davis. Win or lose, it’s his team and it’s my team. Fuck yours.
by golfswithglock on Apr 26, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
+1 to poor comparison between the two. But I believe the comparison was more about the fans love/hate towards both owners
by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 26, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
take it easy...
internet anger doesnt transfer well.. didnt want to upset anyone to make anyone type so hard or curse at the computer screen… urrrggghhhh (sarcasm doesnt transfer well either)
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
Ufck Al Davis… he needs to go already!
Don’t post shit like this on a RAIDER site and not expect to catch shit for it.
by golfswithglock on Apr 27, 2010 5:20 AM PDT up reply actions
There's no guarantee that whoever assumes that role will succeed. Al is having a terrific pre-season. So STFU
by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 27, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
What happens AFTER Mr Davis? You really think the next guy will be more successful? Check your history before you answer that.
by golfswithglock on Apr 27, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Depends. Maybe if we hire GM with expeirence. The Chiefs hired Scott Pioli
who was GM of the Pats, and Im pretty sure they saw sucess with him as GM.
Phillip Rivers Is A Douche
+1
I have always supported Mr D and always will as my passionate defence of him has shown (btw @MODS sorry for the language i used on a previous post its just wishing death on someone sends me crazy)
"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour
Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'
I'm Confused
Did the Raiders win the superbowl, or did they just not use the draft as a forum to embarrass themselves?
I feel the Raiders should assume a lot of the responsibility in Russell’s failure. I’ve heard many NFL people say that Russell has the best skill set in the league. He’s a Mercedes with a Mercedes engine being driven 15 mph. Tom Cable doesn’t know how to develop a QB, I want to see what Hue Jackson thinks on the subject.
Russell has to display some desire though.
A good step in the right direction though. We just need to check our expectations. 6 wins would be a start
by The Upsetter on Apr 26, 2010 12:08 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Did you see Russell on the field?
Not commanding and losing the respect of his troops, fumbling the ball, missing wide open receivers on long and short passes, failing to elude any defender because he was out of shape…Paul Hackett is one of the premier developers of QB talent in this league. Help was offered to the big dope but he did not take it. The bulk of Jamarcus’ problems have been caused by Jamarcus himself.
You ask any quarterback coach
the only thing JR has going for him now is the ability to throw the ball far; his passing techniques and footwork are terrible and well-documented.
Time to move on with Campbell and Bruce and let this fellow move on.
"You been putting it up your whole life. You just didnt know it" Anton Chigurh
Are you suggestion someone else is "driving" the Mercedes? maybe he needs an exorcism
by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 26, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
or an enema.
"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour
Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'
Russell has to display some desire though.
He doesn’t have to display anything. He’s on his way out.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Apr 26, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
youre probably right
But I still feel the Raiders should share some of the responsibility.
You guys act like once Russell is out of the building all problems will be solved. I don’t think that’s the case.
I truly feel this offseson brings reason for hope. I just feel We need to keep expectations real. The way you are all tripping over yourselves in praise of Al Davis is embarrassing.
All I want is W’s, then I’ll give credit where credit is due.
by The Upsetter on Apr 26, 2010 12:56 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
The QB position will be absolutely more stable, no more "is Russell gonna start?" shit. No more Russell starting at all! Better QB play, one Huge step forward.
Jason Campbell is not gonna come here to slack off, Gradkowski doesn’t slack off, ultimately others will/are follow(ing) and we WILL WIN GAMES this upcoming season.
The RaiderLaker
Here's some more
Russell represents the incompetence of the Raiders organization, and that starts with Al Davis. Not getting him signed before training camp, to the revolving door of coordinators and coaches, to the complete lack of blocking by the O-line where ever snap looks like a jail break, to the complete lack of offensive vision. Even the best QB prospect would wilt under such scenarios. This is Al Davis’ Raiders of the last decade.
All the money given to Russell should be enough to motivate him. Unfortunately people mature at different rates. Did the Raiders sit down and talk to Russell before they drafted him? They did of course, so they should have realized that he would need extra motivating, extra coaching and display to him that he needs to earn a starting job in the NFL. And if Russell is just a complete lazy retard through and through, then the Raiders shouldn’t have drafted him.
So yeah, The Raiders share some of the responsibility of the Russell disaster.
I think Michael Bush could be a great RB. I just wanted to add that.
It was a hard but important lesson but the Raiders (from all indications) have learned, imo, the value of a player's character
by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 26, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
The Upsetter, Russell's only mission was to do great in college and get drafted in the fist round to get a big juicy deal because he felt entitled to it.
He felt he deserved every penny for what he did in college. As he got the 30 mill he just said “Damn! I’m rich I don’t have todo anything anymore, I don’t care what ppl think, i’m rich” His stupid fat mother encouraged this also, along with his homies. He basically conned the Old Man. This will be a step forward to there being a rookie salary cap which I endorse.
The RaiderLaker
I believe that's exactly how it went down. Even before the draft, when asked who he wanted to play for JR said, "whoever
is paying the most." I don’t think this is going to happen to the Raiders again … for a long time anyway. Taylor Mays made a similar remark about Gucci this and that – dumb thing to do and maybe why we passed on him.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 26, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
There's no question the Raiders' Organization is primarily responsible
for the Russell debacle. They should have known what kind of player he was prior to drafting him. They ignored the warning signs and did not have a stable coaching staff with expirience at developing a QB who was going to be somewhat of a project (not to mention very young when he was drafted). The Raiders have also lacked the tools that would help a young qb, in that they didn’t have a good o-line, nor a go-to veteran receiver. They signed Javon Walker to be that guy, but he was another joke. It seems like everything they did in the 2008 off-season was a nightmare waiting to happen.
That does not excuse Jamarcus Russell from his responsibilities. He has should have ensured he showed up in shape, took part in the offseason programs, and learned from his mistakes. The fact that we are still talking about his weight and commitment after 3 years is enough evidence to show that he cannot work as a professional in an environment like the Raiders football team. At some point this guy’s got to grow up and get it, it curtainly won’t be here, but maybe at his next stop, or it won’t be long before he’s out of the league and dominating a buffet near you.
"We have to win eight. I'll be crushed if we don't win eight." CRN...Eat it BN, lol
Russell is to blame
How much homework should the Raiders Organization should have done on him? Jesus, Kiper and all the experts validated the pick. Any team that didn’t have a premier QB that owned the #1 pick there, would have taken Russell. He took the money and sat on it. Mr. Davis PUBLICLY defended him. The organization backed him. Never gave up on him. He got more that enough support from our club minus a premier offensive line. This is just typical of the state of our country. Don’t blame individuals, blame the system. horse shit.
by golfswithglock on Apr 27, 2010 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Instead of letting Russell grow up
they have been propping him up. They have always made excuses for him, it took until after week 10 last season for them to finally bench him. Whenever he failed to make it to the offseason workout, the team always comes out propping him. They said he was in great shape, when it turned out he really wasn’t. After the end of the season when it was found out Russell was in Vegas, the team said they knew about it and ok’d it. No other team would do this for a player. They benched him in week 10, it was clear from the outset last year that he was failing, but they kept trotting him out there and lost the team and the season in the process. As long as he started, the team had no reason to believe Al would discipline him for failing as a quarterback and it sucked the life out of everyone. I said Russell had a lot to shoulder, but why excuse the team’s incompetance in this area?
"We have to win eight. I'll be crushed if we don't win eight." CRN...Eat it BN, lol
by S Jay Bruin on Apr 27, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Because they supported him
We’re talking about a grown (supposed) man. Our team did all they could to keep his confidence up. Mr. Davis even came out and publicly calle him “a great player” when he was being dogged by a coach. He was weened into the starting line-up. I don’t feel sorry for him one bit. Our team has done everything they could to help this guy succeed. He’s a bust. Plain and simple. Would have been for any team.
by golfswithglock on Apr 27, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
All indications were that the lag in signing was on Russell's end:
He hired two people who were rookies at dealing with large salaries and they could be the same nincanpoops that are still advising him.
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Apr 26, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
not sure, I will check again
but I kinda remember that the agents who first advised him (some lawyers) resigned. That said, the people who continue to advise him are members of his family, notably his mom, prevviously his uncles. They are the ones who tell him to refuse renegotiation of contracts.
by Spirals galore on Apr 26, 2010 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions
You Have A Partial Point But A Misguided Point At Best
True…Prior to the draft with that #1 pick talks should have taken place to structure an acceptable contract BUT in OakTown there is that “Cone-o-Silence” and it restricts something like that from taking place…Consequently we had the stand-off which resulted in a no show for most of the season…But make no mistake "JeFat"s agent didn’t win a single thing…Had they signed on time “JeFat” would have made his full pay for that season instead of just a few weeks…They were big losers and so were we…That’s old history…
More recent history is the “O” that never happened and your are correct again here…Had the coaches put together a legitimate scheme w workable game-plan n adjustments any “QB” could have been productive BUT even in the worst of conditions a super talented “QB” the caliber of what “JeFat” was suppose to be should have been productive to a semi satisfactory point but was not…Why…Now that’s his Bad…Lazy n Inattentive while being devoted to the Party rather than to the Game…I would say a little more than just a simple maturity issue…
So in the end it takes 2 or more to be cooperative and make something work….In this case “JeFat” n Agent were NOT on the same page as Raiders in the beginning nor now at the end…Bad Do-Do…Can it be fixed…Not if there’s no desire to cooperate and accept responsibility…And in this case I would have to side with the employer who has already paid the majority of the salary for services NOT rendered…It’s about time we get something in return from that cost and I would wager if you were the one holding the bag for that cost you would be first in line crying for a refund and demanding satisfaction…
by PantyRaider on Apr 26, 2010 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions
"Cone-of-Silence" - perfect
(i did read the rest of your comment)
by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 27, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I am giving credit to the entire Raider Org. Not just Al, because I believe he had very little
to do with this draft. But that’s just my opinion.
Phillip Rivers Is A Douche
Beg To Differ Cause I Just Hate It When The Mouth Speaks Without Knowledge
The 2d rd selection of a ""DT" being converted back to a run stopping “DE” is in your opinion who’s pick….That has Al Davis written all over it…
The 3rd rd selection of an “OT” who was the only prospect who finished in the top ten at every single test ran at the NFL combine also has Al Davis written all over it…
The 4th rd selection of an “OT” who was the fastest of his class also has Al Davis written all over it…
Give that “OldMan” credit for a job well done….
The 4th rd selection of a smallish “WR” who the Raiders had to trade up to get and was the fastest of his class definitely has Al Davis written all over it….
Now please which picks are you going to argue were NOT an Al Davis pick…A “LB” in the 1st…Well now….The “DT” n “OT” n “S” n “CB” were already off the board so the next most likely position would be “DE” or “LB” unless you think there was a “G”-“C” worth that #8 selection so again that selection has Al Davis written all over it…Best Player Available….
by PantyRaider on Apr 27, 2010 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed...It was a master job of cooperating
I think everyone came away with what they wanted….Players who fit the scheme and also fit the Raider template….
No question Al was very involved - and that proves he has his marbles
by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 27, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Even Diminished Are Greater Than Melvin
He may have lost a step or two bus still has more than his adversaries will ever acquire…
yeah
I 100% support the rookie wage scale.
as do i
the big problem is that NFL teams are forced to reward players for what they did on college.
I wish my new company would pay me based on work i did somewhere else.
"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour
Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'
as far as being rewarded in college
these players dont have guaranteed contracts so its a double edge sword… i say make as much money as you can while you can until someone stops it.
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
I dont blame the players
but it’s disproportionate risk for the teams and we have seen that the high draft pick contracts that are generally going to the worst teams a lot of times are contributing to a cycle of losing as yes it is good to have high draft picks and good players but if you have lots of top 10 draft picks on you’re roster how are you going to pay the other 40 guys so you find that after the top tier of player on the squad the quality drop off becomes high as the can only afford cheap players to put with them and the good teams that pick in the middle to end of the draft can structure their roster salary wise much more effectively.
"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour
Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'
Good evening all.
I was just watching everything unfold & didn’t want to reply until all 7 rounds were over. I will be one of the first to say thank you Al Davis. I don’t believe he made alot of the picks but his faith in the coaching staff & scouting department to listen to their feedback is why he deserves all the credit. Its not like he’s stepping down as GM & VP of Ops but its better.
Finally, I have been saying it all along, trade for Campbell, sign TO if possible, draft players that will help the franchise and watch what happens!!!!
I can tell you without question that the Raiders are a better football team and right now the other teams in our immediate division, the AFC West are game planning the Raiders right now. The Silver & Black have moved to respectability without so much as a snap in the 2010 preseason…The Raiders if they can sync will be the team to beat in the AFC west…For you Jason Campbell haters, I assure you he is the best QB on our roster hands down, he will start and if TO can sign, he will make all of other W/O’s much better…All I can say if IT’s ON!!!! Finally, we are poised to compete….Go Raiders!!!!
by Rodney Sacramento on Apr 26, 2010 7:30 PM PDT reply actions
Finally!!!!
As you all know its been very HARD to be a RAIDER fan the past …shit almost a decade now . We would hear all the shit talking from all our friends who were fans of other teams. We would hope the next year would be the one we turn it around but it only got worse every year. Drafts, Free Agents, and Coaching were declining as well. But through all this the true fan stayed strong but frustrated at how the team he loves was falling apart and becoming a laughing stock. ….But i see a light at the end of the tunnel now and its not a train but a sign that were closer to getting our respect back as an NFL franchise and a Member of THE NATION back! ……..This coming season will be the most excited ive felt about an upcoming season in …shit almost a decade now,,,…..
They hate to love us....R A I D E R-N A T I O N....
by NATION OF DOMINATION on Apr 26, 2010 7:44 PM PDT reply actions
Raiders did in fact have a nice draft...
With out Russell in there holding every play hostage the Raiders will need to be respected that much more. I do not think by any means that the Raiders will make the playoffs, no dis-respect at all I just don’t see it? I can see the raiders going 7-9,8-8,9-7 something in that range.I think San Diego and Denver are falling apart though so the Raiders and the Chiefs have a chance to do something, but my best guess is San Diego will hold the Division 1 more year until they fall apart with KC/Raiders in a close 2nd. I read a post on here too and I saw the sweep the Chiefs post and you should not take them that lightly.In years to come when all is said and done it will be the Raiders and the Chiefs battling for the Division. I think the Chiefs will split with the Raiders myself like most seasons I mean how often do the Raiders beat the Chiefs at home?
step 1 collect underwear
step 2 ?????????????
step 3 profit
Oh, Shit!!! That's what
the ‘haters’ will be saying about the Nation’s return to team chemistry this year. Go RAIDERS!!!!!
Upsetter & PantyRaider
we have have compared Leaf & JR as biggest bust. It reminds me of when the debate raged about Peyton vs Leaf as #1 pick that year with all the pros and cons. My personal take at the time was that Leaf had the stronger arm and that Peyton never won anything at Tenn. What’s clear and a key determining factor that we take for granted, is the passion to learn and to develop if you’re a rookie QB. Obviously, it’s not enough but you’re dead without it. On the day of that draft, reporters interviewed both separately. Peyton holding the playbook in hand and saying something like “there’s so much to learn, can’t wait to get into it” blah, blah while Leaf said “going to vegas with my friends to celebrate”. Raiders failed to do their research on JR and got a hard on when he threw 50 yrds from a knee. I can’t think of QBs who missed their 1st camp and ever recover as you need to know everybody’s assignment on every play at warp speed while earning the respect of your team. it’s a different game than getting your play from the coach and only focusing on your primary option. Akili Smith couldn’t recover. We’re also hearing about bad advice from his family, that’s utter bullshit. He’s either a grown man who has played football – can’t replace offseason reps to get your timing with your WRs. It’s mandatory, i don’t care what your momma says. The Raiders failed to provide him with an environment to succeed; however, he failed himself by not caring about success.
+1
The Raiders are not a babysitting facility.
by Spirals galore on Apr 27, 2010 6:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Good Points Every One
Too True but very sad…And they say a mind is a terrible thing to waist…But “JeFatAss” has discovered a way to waist his entire dumb ass and all that potential talent along with it…What a total freakin waist…
Now I admit I was one of the Hold’em n Hopeful types but at this point “Double-H” is very doubtful…If the Raiders are in “Demand a Refund” stage and “JeFat” is in the “I got’s it and ain’t a given back” mode than how the hell does anything positive happen….Everybody is a loser in that case…
Anyone hear any rumors about us being in play for a DT?
I was listening to the Day 2 press conference on raiders.com where Cable said Houston is going to be a DE. When asked about the defensive tackle position, he said that something is in the works, and we are going to like what we see. All that I could think is that we’re getting Haynesworth, but I haven’t even heard a rumor about that.
He's probably talking about Dezmond Bryant's sudden bulk up to 320 or...or a complete change in scheme (3-4)
And last but not least, maybe putting Seymour inside at times and rotating players…
maybe = Houston,Kelly,Seymour,Saughnessy OR Seymour,Kelly,Bryant,Houston.. thats probably what we’re going with troughout this upcoming season.
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