Oakland Raiders News: There Is Competition At The Position: Quarterback
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I may as well start off this series, "There is Competition At The Position", a title that one member of this first discussion can't even spell, with the most important position on the field, quarterback.
Do any of you remember when Lane Kiffin said that the cut down to 53 players would not be difficult because there weren't very many good players on the team? Well, this year, for the first time in many years, that is NOT the case. In fact we may actually have a real quarterback controversy this year. And it isn't centered around, why is Al Davis starting that overweight, underachieving bus driver JaMarcus Russell?
We all know that JaMarcus lost his starting job to Bruce Gradkowski AND Charlie Frye last year. We also know that the Raiders have added Kyle Boller, who worked with Hue Jackson in Baltimore, AND the best quarterback on our roster Jason Campbell since the beginning of last year.
So, let us see how the current depth chart looks:
1) Jason Campbell
2) Bruce Gradkowski (Injured)
3) Charlie Frye
4) Boller
5) Russell
Jason Campbell
In Jason Campbell you have the Anti-Russell. He is known as a leader of men and someone who always sides with the organization and his teammates. He is also coming off of his best season to date, although he had zero protection and little to no offensive support because of bad drafts and injuries to his top target and run supporter (Clinto Portis and Chris Cooley).
He targeted Santana Moss to the tune of 902 yards while passing for 3,618 yards (14th in the NFL) with his second options being Antwaan Randel El and 2nd string Tight End Fred Davis.
A very interesting note is that Rock Cartwright, recently signed by the Raiders was his primary target out of the backfield with 27 receptions for 242 yards and a touchdown. Maybe Jason has something to do with Cartwright being in Oakland? Very Interesting!
Campbell also threw for the most touchdowns, 20, had the highest completion rate, 64.5, and the highest quarterback rating 86.4 of his career despite being sacked 43 times (3rd Most In NFL). To put that into some perspective, only two quarterbacks were sacked more than him and had higher ratings. Their names Ben Roethlisberger and Aaron Rodgers.
Without a doubt, Jason Cambell, at 28 years of age is reaching his peak and really coming into his own at the exact time that he will don the silver and black for the first time.
Bruce Gradkowski
It is a shame that he had to tear his pec muscle this off-season, because, in my eyes, the starting job was his to lose.
Anybody who saw Bruce play last year, knows that the Raiders are a much better team than their record. With Bruce starting the Raiders had a chance to win every game, except for the blowout in Dallas.
Bruce is a mobile and accurate quarterback that "Just Wins Baby". He reminds me of a Gold Gloves boxer who will NOT be defeated by bigger, stronger or faster fighters. he will lead with his chin, take your best puch and then couter with a shot to the ribs until his opponent crumbles or the bell rings.
Bruce may even beat out Campbell this summer, but to me it is a long shot. Then again, this is the quarterback that led Toledo to a 35-31 victory over #9 Pitt and also led the Raiders to a dramatic victory over Pittsburgh that ruined Pittsburgh's Playoff hopes. You think he plays with a chip on his shoulder against his home town teams that pass on him?
Charlie Frye
The "Frye-Guy" is all that you really need from a #3 quarterback. He is relentless in the film room and is always there to help the guys in the game with reads and advice. He is like having another coach on the field. When he got into the game last year, as a starter, he gave the team a chance to win on the road in Denver before being carted off of the filed and giving way to JaMarcus Russell who eventually overcame his own lapses to lead a touchdown drive. There is no doubt in my mind that a healthy Frye would have done the same thing, if not better.
Kyle Boller
This may be the most intriguing name on this list, besides the one at the bottom. Who is Kyle Boller in the NFL?
Boller is a former first round draft pick out of Cal who was inserted into the the starting line-up in Baltimore in his rookie season and was decent for the first three seasons and then sat behind Steve McNair and was finally cut when Joe Flacco was signed.
Boller sat out all of 2008 (on the Ravens IR) before resurfacing in St. Louis last season where, to be fair, his stats should be thrown out of the nearest window.
Al Davis does love to try and resurrect first round talent and his previous experience with Hue Jackson make him a threat to break into the 3rd QB role.
JaMarcus Russell
There has only been one quarter back in recent years that has been as big of a bust as JaMarcus Russell. That player is now stealing drugs from College kids, Ryan Leaf.
Russell was handed the reigns to the rebuilding, I know Al doesn't like that, but, that's what it has been for four years, Oakland Raiders. He has also been given 39 million dollars to date. You would think that a reasonable human being would be working hard, preparing and living life on top of the World. Not JaMarcus.
It is a slap in the face to every member in this organization, from players to janitors, that this bum will not restructure his contract. Whether it is bad advice, which I believe, or just plain ignorance he should not be anywhere near this new team until he repents, eats some crow and shows up at 6AM to watch tape and work-out, after taking a pay cut.
At this point he is 5th string and if the Raiders keep him around, he could fake an injury and get 9 million dollars. If they cut him now, reality will set in when nobody wants him unless he's willing to carry a clipboard for the League minimum.
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As much as I like Gradkowski
I don’t believe there is a chance he will start. This is Campbell’s team now, from all indications he is a good leader, a hard worker, good arm and he is durable.
Gradkowski is not durable and that is the knock on him, plus he is not tall enough or does he have a strong enough arm. He is perfect as a back up QB for spot duty.
The sooner the Raiders let Russell go the better. I suspect Frye will go in place of Boller.
The Raiders will have 3 very serviceable QB’s in place, that is a good thing.
I have watched some film of Campbell, he has a nice touch to the outside which is great, he is mobile and throws well on the run also. He has never had the speed receivers the Raiders have and he has the arm to get it to them.
Maybe my eternal optimism will finally be rewarded.
agreed
Grad is the perfect backup, when your stater gets injured any other team usually get that sinking feeling knowing a backup is coming in. but we have a back up who can compete, and worry if he was to get into the field with a tied game, a lead or even down by a TD
No Competition for Starter
This whole ideal of there being a competition at the starting spot is funny. Campbell was not brought here to compete, but to start.
First – The trade is for a 4th only if Campbell makes the pro bowl or leads the team to the playoffs. Washington would never make that trade unless they were sure he would be on the field.
Second – The Raiders immediately gave Campbell a contract extension for 4 mil in 2011. Once Russell is cut or takes a pay cut, that will make Campbell the highest paid QB on the roster.
Third – 52 starts for Jason Campbell compared to only 26 for Gradkowski, Campbell has a career completion % of 61.2 compared to 53.3 for Gradkowski, and Campbell has an 82.3 Career QB rating compared to a 65.9 QB rating for Gradkowski.
Fourth – Raiders beat writer Jerry McDonald has already reported that Campbell is in Oakland and has been photographed at a restaurant with new Offensive Coordinator Hue Jackson.
The only real competition I see is for the number 2 spot between Boller and Gradkowski.
Whether or not there is a competition at QB
Cable is gonna say there is. They have learned from past losers about anointing anyone the starting QB
When I want Mel Kipers opinion, I'll fucking give it to him !
Me
actually boller and jackson never worked together in balt. boller was gone after 07 and jackson was in in 08
i believe.
Boller and Jackson worked together in 2008 Pre-Season:
Boller beat out Flacco and T Smith, but got injured in the pre-season and was placed on IR.
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Apr 27, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
knock me over with a feather
Where is your jock sniffing support JaGoodByuss? Where is the anti everyother QB brought in? Where is your blind admiration of the soon to be $39 mill dollar cut?
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Apr 27, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Such a.... well limited
mentality. Perhaps you should reread what I posted and think about what you posted. It has abosolutely no berring on what I said.
You must be one of those kids in class that tried so hard but no ever listened to. So you tried even harder and well as usual it was a failure.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Apr 27, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks
for proving everything I thought, said and what we all believe.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Apr 27, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
There should be open competition for every position on this team - the days of entitlement are over in Oakland
and the best football players / winners should start at each position – the depth chart should reflect nothing else.
Thanks Saint – good post.
I think that's exactly what Cables plan is
When I want Mel Kipers opinion, I'll fucking give it to him !
Me
+1
"We can't stop here... This is bat country."
by Kwester421 on Apr 27, 2010 10:21 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
+1,000,000,000,000,000,000
Thats the way it shoudl always be. This team in general needs a kick in the balls to wake up all of the players. No job is safe and your ass is outta here if you decide to pull a JaKissHisFatAssGoodBye.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Apr 27, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I wasn't a big fan of Campbell before
but i’m ready to eat my words. I lost track of him after he struggled the first couple years in the league. I was surprised to see how much he has improved the last two years. There is open competition for the QB spot, but I don’t think it will take long for Campbell to distinguish himself.
I think Radkowski is the clear #2.
I could go either way on Frye or Boller. If Frye is another coach on the field, I will take that over the 1st potential of Boller for a #3 QB
Campbell vs. Gradkowski
Both will fight their hardest and do their best. I think Campbell has the edge due to Bruce’s injury, but Bruce is a fighter, and he won’t give in that easy.
Phillip Rivers Is A Douche
Dare to hope
For the first time in years i think i have some hope this team might not only compete, but has a chance to actually win the division.
by My beloved raiders on Apr 27, 2010 10:41 AM PDT reply actions
No competition
Campbell is our new starter. He’s more talented than Gradkowski and has the skill set more in line with what Hue Jackson and Cable are going to do with this offense. I like Gradkowski’s heart, but we’ve upgraded the position with more talent. With the time Gradkowski will likely miss due to his injury he has little chance of beating out Campbell for the position.
I don’t see Russell taking a paycut to stay, so Friday will likely be his last day as an Oakland Raider. Damn shame it didn’t work out.
With Campbell & Gradkowski
at quarterback, the team should actually be able to install a pro offense. Instead of the over-simplified crap they had the last couple of years.
"We have to win eight. I'll be crushed if we don't win eight." CRN...Eat it BN, lol
Sons-of-Blanda is dead on !
When you have a Team that has played the way we have you have to sort out the “wanna be’s and the think i should be’s” from the “meant to be’s”. Too bad every player on the Team doesn’t have an incentive in their contract that would pay them 1 mil above their base salary if they start and nothing extra if they don’t (injuries wouldn’t count, it would have to be earned) Fantasy for sure, but it would make for an ass kicking training camp,and the whole team would be on I.R. to start the season. The days of entitlement SHOULD have been over from the start. The Boller signing might just be the biggest surprise we see this year (just a dumb hunch). Keep up the good scribes guys.
If LiveAdam's right , there will be a party in Raider Nation Friday night!
It’s too bad in that it cost us so much time and so many wins. Not to beat a dead horse but when I saw the N.B.A. bling deal it showed the world where this JO’s head was coming from (pun intended) . Selfish,out for himself non-team player. Adios JA3andout!!
Yea Campbell was brought
here to be the starter. The competetion will be for #2…..CAN YOU imagine Campbell to Miller this year? Should be sick!!!!!
Campbell is used to having a superb TE as well. He had Chris Cooley in Washington
Phillip Rivers Is A Douche
I'm thinking the set offense will look like this:
Campbell
Bush
Tonga (Rushing)/Cartwright (Passing)
Miller
Henderson
Gallery
Satele
Walker
Barnes
Schillens
DHB
One Back Set:
McFadden IN
Murphy IN
Empty Backfield:
Insert Jacoby Ford
Running Raider Offense (New Take on the Wishbone) This one is from a mid shotgun)
Bush/McFadden (QB)
Ford
Bush/McFadden
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Apr 27, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Competition or not Janormous will not be in mini camp
As has been stated by several people,Russell is due 3 mil this year and 6 mil mil next year,9 if he takes a certain % of the snaps.also if he gets injured in camp during anytime he is performing football related activities,i.e working out at the facility,biting his lip while eating a dozen donuts while watching film in the film room.he would be eligible to receive an injury settlement that would pay him what ever remains on his contract.
There may be some competition between Grad and JC,but i think it will only be to push JC to realize he is entitled to his position.Before training camp rollls around this fall he will be named the starter and Grad will be #2 Boller is a little to old.
Boller is 28
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Apr 27, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
sorry bruce
grad has no chance of seeing the field anymore in his career with the raiders unless there is an injury. his injury has nothing to do with it. I see grad leaving after a year or two by choice or by a move made from the front office to get a QB for the future in the draft. sorry grad lovers, he is toasty toasty. :)
the guy wins 2 games, 2 GAMES, and he becomes the next Joe Montana. get real. see ya bruce. keep that bench nice and toasty .
I think you are missing the point of the Gradkowski love
I don’t think anyone believe’s he is the most talented QB in the league, or even on our roster (even before Campbell) for that matter. He worked his a$$ off to get to get on the field, and he instantly made our offense better.
Without Grads play last year the season would have been unbearable. Grad made it clear that Russell had to go. Grad
saved Cable’s job. Grad gave me hope that we can compete with playoff teams. If your opinion of Grad is like you wrote, you either did not watch him play or you have no sensibility for drama – what he did last year could be made into a movie.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 27, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Those two games were crazy upsets.
but during the skin game both QBs were getting smacked and Campbell came out as the winner and i think thats whats gonna happen. Also preseason is gonna be really interesting to watch this year.
That Washington game is a horrible way to compare Bruce and Jason.
Bruce was unjured half way through and didnt return, then JaMarcus came in and lost the game(big suprise)
Phillip Rivers Is A Douche
Bruce was injured coming in to the skins game
He tore the one knee up the previous week or the week before that. So he had a bum knee coming in, then tore the other knee up before halftime.
tatum, davidson, romanowski, wisniewski...LET'S GET NASTIER!!!!
by angelesoterica on Apr 27, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
The latest news I love it
I read this with no definitve speculation but a little more is trickling out everyday that makes it look more and more like he is gone
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Aon6j3GtMdjHA0kG4ldTtmtPfgM6?slug=ap-raiders-russell
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Apr 27, 2010 2:32 PM PDT reply actions
Nice
Shows he has some accuracy. Something sorely missed in Oakland except for the us nailing the opposing D in the numbers
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Apr 27, 2010 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Seabass might have pooched to Bey with better touch and accuracy.
that reminds me, is drop-kicking still permitted?
by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 27, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I think so
I remember seeing it a few years back with the Donkeys and Elwrong doing it. I think not for sure.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Apr 27, 2010 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
It was Flutie who did it
during a stint with the patsies.
tatum, davidson, romanowski, wisniewski...LET'S GET NASTIER!!!!
by angelesoterica on Apr 27, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions

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