2010 Oakland Raiders: The Defense You Can't Gameplan For
Just when I thought our defense couldn't get any better, I began to think of who should be in the starting lineup. Then I realized, is there even a starting lineup to have?
I know the Raiders are a 4-3 defense with the occasional 3-4 looks (which may become even more common this year), but there's so many different schemes and lineups you could use with the Raiders personnel. Finally, athleticism can start to payoff.
Davis, a usually non-blitzing man, finally let Marshall go crazy with whatever he wanted for the defense late last year. What we saw was interesting blitz packages using primarily Trevor Scott. Now we see athletic big linebackers like Wimbley, McClain, and Groves to go with the versatile D-Line.
A look ahead at some of what I've envisioned.
This is kind of unorganized, but i hope you'll still enjoy. Also note that I'm going to into this assuming that we will use Seymour at DT until proven otherwise.
Formation 1: The basic 4-3 lineup
LE: Houston
UT: Kelly
NT: Seymour
RE: Shaughnessy
LOLB: Wimbley
MLB: McClain
ROLB: Howard
CB1: Asomugha
SS: Branch
FS: Huff
CB2: Johnson
Already from this basic defense we see a thousand possibilities. Even the basic D-Line rush with 7 man coverage finds itself effective. The D-Line was tops in sacks last year for the second year in a row, so we get the same pass rush (if not better with Seymour inside and Houston) with even better coverage due to progression of Branch and Huff, plus the coverage improvement of Wimbley over Scott and McClain over Morrison (McClain plays the middle zone better).
However, we can throw Wimbley on a blitz which can lead to a freed up D-Line member or Wimbley simply doing it himself. This also causes extra blockers which makes things easier on the coverage unit. Maybe even use Howard if the opposing team expects Wimbley. Send both if you want, you still have quality coverage behind the blitz. Don't forget sending McClain to blitz too since he was a quality blitzer in college. You can even use Branch with his speed and aggressiveness.
This lineup on its own is also quality versus the run. Penetration on the line which can disrupt the blocking allowing our physical and fast linebackers to make plays, especially the field general McClain. And don't forget how effective Branch is at stopping the run close to the line.
Formation 2: The basic 3-4 lineup
LE: Kelly
NT: Seymour
RE: Houston
LOLB: Wimbley
MLB1: McClain
MLB2: Goethel (I fully expect him to be our #2)
ROLB: Groves
CB1: Asomugha
SS: Branch
FS: Huff
CB2: Johnson
Now with the 3-4 alignment you can expect a lot of different blitzes. As previously established, the D-Line itself can get pressure, but throw in blitzes from Wimbley and Groves and things get pretty scary for opposing teams. Goethel and McClain still play good coverage as does the defensive backfield.
The extra size and extra linebackers of course increase our ability versus the run, especially since Goethel is just as instinctual as McClain and is also regarded as a fast strong linebacker. Also, let's add in that Groves is arguably just as athletic and almost as capable as Wimbley in coverage. Thus we can throw both McClain and Goethel up the middle behind the double-team receiving Seymour.
Position Swaps:
This a versatile team as we all know. But look at everything possible we could do.
You could put in Desmond Bryant at end or tackle in your 4-3 for added pass rush to make a line like:
LE: Houston
UT: Bryant
NT: Kelly
RE: Seymour/Shaughnessy
And even then that line has so much size in Houston, Seymour, and Shaughnessy that it could still be effective versus the run. And this is without even putting in guys like Scott. Picture this:
LE: Houston
UT: Bryant
NT: Kelly
RE: Scott
Now we see a very fast and physical D-Line, especially since Scott go even better versus the run last year and is still bulking up. But wait, I'm not even done. Let's look at:
LE: Groves/Wimbley
UT: Bryant
NT: Kelly
RE: Scott
Add in Groves or Wimbley and we now get two proven pass rush threats to go with other proven pass rushers. You could even possibly use Houston and Seymour in place of Kelly if he's feeling unmotivated that game. That might actually be even more effective as a pass rush unit. Oh, and we haven't even thought of blitzes for these, which can also help in supporting the run.
Imagine having Groves, Bryant, Houston, and Scott on the D-Line with Wimbley on a blitz while using McClain and Howard in coverage. or perhaps swap Wimbley with Branch, I mean if you like that. Marshall could do whatever he wants to blitz, something he did well with the personnel in Seattle during their days of great defense and playoffs.
There's also something else i considered for a lineup, and one we have seen before. i don't know if we still use it or not.
Formation 3: Wolverine package
LE: Houston
UT: Kelly
NT: Seymour
RE: Shaughnessy
LB1: Howard
LB2: McClain
CB1: Asomugha
S1: Huff
S2: Mitchell
S3: Branch
CB2: Johnson
This could be very impressive, not only with just the extra coverage, but let's even consider how effective Mike Mitchell was blitzing (1.5 sacks in very little playing time). Using Mitchell as the extra guy, possibly in tandem with Howard or McClain, adds even more unpredictability. Perhaps you could even switch the linebackers out to whatever you desire.
The point here, is that this defense is so deep and versatile, that John Marshall will be up all night dreaming up defensive schemes while opposing offensive coordinators stay up having nightmares of their QB's hitting the dirt and bad passes going all over.
We can take confidence in that the Raiders will be a top pressure and sack getting team for the third straight year, if the interception numbers and run defense get better, well that's icing on the defensive cake. And i expect John Marshall's cake to be loaded with icing and frosting.
Feel free to post any schemes or lineups you think up in the comments below. I'm very interested to see what everybody thinks up.
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Scott will be on the field more than what is listed
He will be on the filed just as much if not more than guys like Houston and Kelly
Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Attacking others only attacks yourself
Unless something happens, Scott is going to be starting OLB.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Apr 27, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup, Scott is an omission. He will be the starting WLB or Al has passed away....
my only questions w/Mclain, Wimbley and Scott as our starting LBs…who is going to cover the RBs out of the backfield? And let’s not get started on the TE/LB matchups (which is mostly taken by Tyvon…but there will be plays designed to take advantage of us). Kind of reminds me of all those years we couldn’t cover backs/TEs to save our lives.
Still, no major complaints!!
Thats why Howard should be the OLB and Scott splitting time at LB and DE
Neither Wimbley or Scott can guard a RB effectively
Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Attacking others only attacks yourself
Unless Scott improves on anything other than his Pass Rush
I see the time getting split more evenly, Scott will be used ALOT on Passing downs, but imo he’s still a liability in Run D and when covering.
"I tell him straight, 'If you're going to lead, you have to be the first to practice. You have to come in, get your work down and be prepared for practice,' " assistant coach Keith Smart said. "He needs to figure out why he is having stomach problems and he's got to watch how LeBron (James), Kobe (Bryant) and D-Wade (Dwyane Wade) work. He needs to mimic that if he wants his teammates to speak volumes about him." -Keith Smart on Motna Ellis
Seymour is best utilized as an End in a 3-4.
3-4 DEs: Seymour, Kelly, Houston or Seymour, Houston Kelly or Seymour, bryant, Houston.
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
then who would play the NT spot? Kelly? No thank you.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
+1
I’d like Kelly gone. If we could bring in a real NT to replace him. Replacing Kelly saves us over $7,000,000/yr.
I’d also like Carlisle to disappear – that would free-up another $3,500,000. With those savings we could bring in a FA Nose Tackle and our D would be, once Little Walter displaces every QB’s favorite CB – Johnson, invincible.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 28, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
CJ gets a bad rep because he is thrown on so much it’s insane. He’s arguably the most targeted corner in the league, and yet he still manages to be a fairly decent corner. McFadden can come in, rotate with him, and keep CJ fresh and active on pass plays. Mcfadden is a very underrated draft choice. He’s basically a younger CJ, minus the veteran savvy. Give him a couple years under Nnamdi and watch him shine.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
you are probably right.
I would like to have Desmond Bryant there, but I have doubt it will happen. But besides the NT position, that’s how I want the DL to look, imo.
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
We have a tonne of athletes
We can give so many packages its hard to prepare for us IF we do it right. That is one big fat IF!!. Al will always have the final say on what he wants to see in the end. The D players need to learn the different looks, be prepared for the rotations which will be very high with subs and be willing to be “part” of the answer and not be suck holes like Hayneswothless is in Washington. They all have to buy into it and be ready to sit in certain situations and take a role rather than be on the field for every play. Its a different world out there now in the NFL and WE MUST adapt to win.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Apr 27, 2010 2:05 PM PDT reply actions
I don’t think we should cut him. You never know about injuries and things like that. Having him on the roster doesn’t hurt.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Apr 27, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
But maybe he'll get disgruntled and seek a realease or trade. (low trade value btw) although decent stats for a backup.
His hopes will be shattered to fulfill his dream to be a starter in th NFL and I feel bad for him, which is why I think we should cut him so he could shine elsewhere, pass rushing-wise, kinda sucks at run D.
The RaiderLaker
this is the most excited ive been for a raiders season in soo long
i cant wait for this defense to get on the field and kick some ass
I'd say howard would be the 2nd ILB in a 3-4 defense
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 27, 2010 2:30 PM PDT reply actions
I agree. It'll be him or Ricky Brown.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Apr 27, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Its been a very very very very long time
since we had a hard hitting, crap/wet your drawers type defense. Al we need now is that player who gonna be the hammer. Maybe McClain will, maybe Dick will step up or Groves or anyother one of our FA aquisitions. I just want a guy to put the fear of God in the opposing offense just like Matt Millen, Lester Hayes, Tatum et al use to do. The occassional late hit, horse collar or head slap would be welcome.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Apr 27, 2010 2:40 PM PDT reply actions
It has the look
of a sort of “wildcat” defense. There should be a lot of different looks due mostly in part to all the quick linebackers/ends in the lineup. Also look for Huff to play his position a little more like Polamalu does——lots of blitz stuff lies ahead for him, and he is a hitter.
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I wonder what the Goal Line setup would look like....
5 man front, 3 linebackers, 2 db, 1 safety setup
LE : Houston
DT1: Kelly
NT: Seymour
DT2: Bryant
RE: Shaughnessy/Scott?
LOLB: Wimbley
ROLB: Howard
MLB: McClain
CB1: Asomugha
CB2: Johnson
S: T. Branch
I like the fact that we have a diverse D, but I dont really enjoy yours.
For one, why keep Seymour around if your going to be playing him him at DT? When he’s clearly suited for DE.
Another thing, Scott isn’t on the field enough. He’s our best pass rusher and is way more talented than Groves.
Phillip Rivers Is A Douche
who else would play DT then? Bryant? Not good enough on the run. Seymour is the best option at DT to go with Kelly unless we actually do play Houston at DT or sign someone else. Who knows, maybe that 355 Meane guy gets it.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
I know what you mean, but I guess Tom doesn't see it as an issue.
I just think Seymour would be getting paid way to much to be playing at a feeble level on the inside. Maybe Bryant is getting big, he’s only 15-20 lbs away from being able to play NT at a high level.
I also like that large 355 pounder. If he can do it, then our D is set.
Phillip Rivers Is A Douche
KICK IT OFF!!
We wear the silver we wear the black, so don’t get in our way.
Radio
Hey i dont live in the area and i was wondering if there is a sports radio station that talks about the raiders and streams on the web?
Raider Fan Radio is run by some friends of mine and they are excellent!!!
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Apr 27, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
For the Twitter Fans....
I’ve found a couple of the new raiders on twitter if you’d like to follow….
Jared Veldheer : http://twitter.com/JVelds
Lamarr Houston : http://twitter.com/solo_dolo_3s
Quentin Groves : http://twitter.com/QuentinGroves52
Jacoby Ford: http://twitter.com/JfordJ6
Walter McFadden: http://twitter.com/Wheezy6
Jeremy Ware: http://twitter.com/Jware9
really ? Routt is one of the worst cover CBs I have ever seen … a track guy who never made the shift to football … we still lack depth at CB, but Im praying that McFadden comes through
Just Win, baby !
by raidermarcus on Apr 27, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he meant Wmac over Routt
tatum, davidson, romanowski, wisniewski...LET'S GET NASTIER!!!!
by angelesoterica on Apr 27, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
DUBMAC!!!!
tatum, davidson, romanowski, wisniewski...LET'S GET NASTIER!!!!
by angelesoterica on Apr 27, 2010 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
better yet, MACDOUBLE!!!!!!
my genius amazes me lol
tatum, davidson, romanowski, wisniewski...LET'S GET NASTIER!!!!
by angelesoterica on Apr 27, 2010 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Me too: But CJ should benefit from a D-Line that stops the run
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Apr 27, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Stanford??
come on, the only reason he got that tender was so he could give some of that money to Randy Hanson under the table.
Biggest omission IMHO when recapping the Raiders draft is the McFadden selection. CJ is not up to snuff…but if McFadden emerges as hoped our top 4 DBs are definitely servicable.
If we chose well - that's the idea. This will be CJs 7th year and we have to do better - Come On Little Walter!
by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 27, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Little Walter? Love IT!!
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Apr 27, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Why is Lamarr a DE from the get go???
Seems like a Seymour/Matt S. (not even going to try to spell his last name) are the DEs w/Kelly and Houston at the DTs? UNLESS as some people are discussing we move Richard inside to DT. Can’t wait to see how this plays out in mini-camp.
If even you - who are pulling for Shaughnessy - haven't learned to spell his name ...
by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 27, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Not pulling for him personally...just think we have more to go on at DE than DT
makes more sense….but I do hope Matt keeps improving so we’ll all memorize Shaughnessy
Cable already said they were looking at Houston for DE
which makes sense in a way as he should be pretty good at sealing off the outside run.
I could see Seymour getting used more inide this year with Houston and Shaughnessy on the ends.
by KiwiRaiderFan on Apr 27, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Can't get any better? Really?
Hey man I liked the article, I can see a lot of thought went into it but hold off on making us the 85 bears for just a little while, OK!?!? We made a ton of improvement on paper but it still remains to be seen if the old man will turn Marshall loose. Like some other commentators have pointed out, its about cohesion as a unite and buying into the scheme….. heck we have to have a scheme first. With that said I still believe we need one more pro bowl D lineman and if we land one, WE MUST RELEASE THE HOUNDS!!!! Let those big dogs hunt, D lineman thrive on being disruptive and making plays. That’s how you make a Haynesworth happy, you let him wreck shop. Trust me, one more big name on the D line such as Henderson or Haynesworth, the collective effort and effectiveness of that unit would skyrocket thus making everyone around them much better.
hysterical
i sense a bit of optimism… the defense maybe better then last year but not by much… if we continue to play man, when most of the league is evolving their offenses we might not be good at all. do you really think Al will change defensive schemes? come on… it seems like the players havent bought into it so what makes it any different this year? cause we had a good draft? we did have a good draft, but i dont think plugged that hole in the middle… you know..the one that is about 30 yards long?
some of you guys have short term memory? or selective memory…
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
Pessimistic much?
Have you not followed any Raider news? We’ve signed and traded for 2 OLB/DE players, drafted a 3-4 DE and drafted a LB who’s perfect for the 3-4 scheme. Change is near.
And, Tom even mentioned that Oakland will be showing a very diverse D with alot of time in the 5 technique. You may not know this, but Al isn’t running the show anymore. He still has power and gives his consent and plugs in his thoughts from time to time; Tom, Hue and John Marshall are secretly our new GM’s. If you ask me, they’re doin a fine job.
Phillip Rivers Is A Douche
your right...
im a bit sour… im not sold on this team yet. i dont know how much ive payed in season tix the last 3 years but i sure could use the refund!
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
by gogomaplata on Apr 27, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Your not alone, friend. I think we all have felt cheated this last 7 years
Phillip Rivers Is A Douche
Am I the only one who thinks we will be seeing a Seymour for Haynesworth trade?
We need a NT, we’re stacked with DEs. Seymour doesn’t seem to fit anywhere but DT with the youth we’ve acquired. The jaflatulence cut will allow us to absorb the contract. This actually makes sense.
tatum, davidson, romanowski, wisniewski...LET'S GET NASTIER!!!!
by angelesoterica on Apr 27, 2010 11:36 PM PDT reply actions
Haynesworth is a UT. And Washington would be stupid to make this deal, Dick has one year left.
Haynesworth has like 20..
Phillip Rivers Is A Douche
Never underestimate Snyder. He wants a fantasy football team, not an actual coherent team
tatum, davidson, romanowski, wisniewski...LET'S GET NASTIER!!!!
by angelesoterica on Apr 28, 2010 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Not ok
with Goethel starting in basic 3-4. 2 Rookies starting at once in a little more complex d doesn’t work.
I think Houston may play DE in 3-4 looks only & may move him inside to DT on 4-3 looks.
Also I wouldn’t want Haynesworth over Seymour since the latter seems to play much harder & doesn’t sound like a crybaby just cause they’re telling him to play NT in a 3-4. I also agree with Howard playing ILB in 3-4 looks next to McClain as well as on 3rd down only to keep the D fresh. This team still needs a nose otherwise I believe they are going to move Kelly to that spot since there’s no rumor to him being cut so they may make him into a project. We will see. I’m ready to see how this looks in pre-season to get a better idea.
I ALREDY DO IN MADDEN
i made up all the new players Etc. i hav mcclain seymour mitchell mcfadden EVERYONE on our current defense and its fun doing WHATVER u want with them . theres so many guys. im agine using the “Everybody standing up” defensee the way pittsburgh does!

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