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2010 Oakland Raiders: The Defense You Can't Gameplan For

Just when I thought our defense couldn't get any better, I began to think of who should be in the starting lineup. Then I realized, is there even a starting lineup to have?

I know the Raiders are a 4-3 defense with the occasional 3-4 looks (which may become even more common this year), but there's so many different schemes and lineups you could use with the Raiders personnel. Finally, athleticism can start to payoff.

Davis, a usually non-blitzing man, finally let Marshall go crazy with whatever he wanted for the defense late last year. What we saw was interesting blitz packages using primarily Trevor Scott. Now we see athletic big linebackers like Wimbley, McClain, and Groves to go with the versatile D-Line.

A look ahead at some of what I've envisioned.

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This is kind of unorganized, but i hope you'll still enjoy. Also note that I'm going to into this assuming that we will use Seymour at DT until proven otherwise.

 

Formation 1: The basic 4-3 lineup

LE: Houston

UT: Kelly

NT: Seymour

RE: Shaughnessy

LOLB: Wimbley

MLB: McClain

ROLB: Howard

CB1: Asomugha

SS: Branch

FS: Huff

CB2: Johnson

Already from this basic defense we see a thousand possibilities. Even the basic D-Line rush with 7 man coverage finds itself effective. The D-Line was tops in sacks last year for the second year in a row, so we get the same pass rush (if not better with Seymour inside and Houston) with even better coverage due to progression of Branch and Huff, plus the coverage improvement of Wimbley over Scott and McClain over Morrison (McClain plays the middle zone better).

However, we can throw Wimbley on a blitz which can lead to a freed up D-Line member or Wimbley simply doing it himself. This also causes extra blockers which makes things easier on the coverage unit. Maybe even use Howard if the opposing team expects Wimbley. Send both if you want, you still have quality coverage behind the blitz. Don't forget sending McClain to blitz too since he was a quality blitzer in college. You can even use Branch with his speed and aggressiveness.

This lineup on its own is also quality versus the run. Penetration on the line which can disrupt the blocking allowing our physical and fast linebackers to make plays, especially the field general McClain. And don't forget how effective Branch is at stopping the run close to the line.

 

 

Formation 2: The basic 3-4 lineup

 

LE: Kelly

NT: Seymour

RE: Houston

LOLB: Wimbley

MLB1: McClain

MLB2: Goethel (I fully expect him to be our #2)

ROLB: Groves

CB1: Asomugha

SS: Branch

FS: Huff

CB2: Johnson

Now with the 3-4 alignment you can expect a lot of different blitzes. As previously established, the D-Line itself can get pressure, but throw in blitzes from Wimbley and Groves and things get pretty scary for opposing teams. Goethel and McClain still play good coverage as does the defensive backfield.

The extra size and extra linebackers of course increase our ability versus the run, especially since Goethel is just as instinctual as McClain and is also regarded as a fast strong linebacker. Also, let's add in that Groves is arguably just as athletic and almost as capable as Wimbley in coverage. Thus we can throw both McClain and Goethel up the middle behind the double-team receiving Seymour.

 

Position Swaps:

This a versatile team as we all know. But look at everything possible we could do.

You could put in Desmond Bryant at end or tackle in your 4-3 for added pass rush to make a line like:

LE: Houston

UT: Bryant

NT: Kelly

RE: Seymour/Shaughnessy

And even then that line has so much size in Houston, Seymour, and Shaughnessy that it could still be effective versus the run. And this is without even putting in guys like Scott. Picture this:

LE: Houston

UT: Bryant

NT: Kelly

RE: Scott

Now we see a very fast and physical D-Line, especially since Scott go even better versus the run last year and is still bulking up. But wait, I'm not even done. Let's look at:

LE: Groves/Wimbley

UT: Bryant

NT: Kelly

RE: Scott

Add in Groves or Wimbley and we now get two proven pass rush threats to go with other proven pass rushers. You could even possibly use Houston and Seymour in place of Kelly if he's feeling unmotivated that game. That might actually be even more effective as a pass rush unit. Oh, and we haven't even thought of blitzes for these, which can also help in supporting the run.

Imagine having Groves, Bryant, Houston, and Scott on the D-Line with Wimbley on a blitz while using McClain and Howard in coverage. or perhaps swap Wimbley with Branch, I mean if you like that. Marshall could do whatever he wants to blitz, something he did well with the personnel in Seattle during their days of great defense and playoffs.

There's also something else i considered for a lineup, and one we have seen before. i don't know if we still use it or not.

Formation 3: Wolverine package

LE: Houston

UT: Kelly

NT: Seymour

RE: Shaughnessy

LB1: Howard

LB2: McClain

CB1: Asomugha

S1: Huff

S2: Mitchell

S3: Branch

CB2: Johnson

This could be very impressive, not only with just the extra coverage, but let's even consider how effective Mike Mitchell was blitzing (1.5 sacks in very little playing time). Using Mitchell as the extra guy, possibly in tandem with Howard or McClain, adds even more unpredictability. Perhaps you could even switch the linebackers out to whatever you desire.

The point here, is that this defense is so deep and versatile, that John Marshall will be up all night dreaming up defensive schemes while opposing offensive coordinators stay up having nightmares of their QB's hitting the dirt and bad passes going all over.

We can take confidence in that the Raiders will be a top pressure and sack getting team for the third straight year, if the interception numbers and run defense get better, well that's icing on the defensive cake. And i expect John Marshall's cake to be loaded with icing and frosting.

 

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Feel free to post any schemes or lineups you think up in the comments below. I'm very interested to see what everybody thinks up.

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Scott will be on the field more than what is listed

He will be on the filed just as much if not more than guys like Houston and Kelly

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

Attacking others only attacks yourself

by dubzfan on Apr 27, 2010 1:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Unless something happens, Scott is going to be starting OLB.

I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.

by Rich Langford on Apr 27, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup, Scott is an omission. He will be the starting WLB or Al has passed away....

my only questions w/Mclain, Wimbley and Scott as our starting LBs…who is going to cover the RBs out of the backfield? And let’s not get started on the TE/LB matchups (which is mostly taken by Tyvon…but there will be plays designed to take advantage of us). Kind of reminds me of all those years we couldn’t cover backs/TEs to save our lives.

Still, no major complaints!!

by iriebuff on Apr 27, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thats why Howard should be the OLB and Scott splitting time at LB and DE

Neither Wimbley or Scott can guard a RB effectively

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

Attacking others only attacks yourself

by dubzfan on Apr 27, 2010 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unless Scott improves on anything other than his Pass Rush

I see the time getting split more evenly, Scott will be used ALOT on Passing downs, but imo he’s still a liability in Run D and when covering.

"I tell him straight, 'If you're going to lead, you have to be the first to practice. You have to come in, get your work down and be prepared for practice,' " assistant coach Keith Smart said. "He needs to figure out why he is having stomach problems and he's got to watch how LeBron (James), Kobe (Bryant) and D-Wade (Dwyane Wade) work. He needs to mimic that if he wants his teammates to speak volumes about him." -Keith Smart on Motna Ellis

by ejdacanay on Apr 27, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think Scott will definitely get a lot of snaps, but I think Wimbley will beat him for the job in camp.

Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.

by KA1Z3R on Apr 28, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seymour is best utilized as an End in a 3-4.

3-4 DEs: Seymour, Kelly, Houston or Seymour, Houston Kelly or Seymour, bryant, Houston.

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Apr 27, 2010 1:51 PM PDT reply actions  

then who would play the NT spot? Kelly? No thank you.

Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.

by KA1Z3R on Apr 28, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

I’d like Kelly gone. If we could bring in a real NT to replace him. Replacing Kelly saves us over $7,000,000/yr.
I’d also like Carlisle to disappear – that would free-up another $3,500,000. With those savings we could bring in a FA Nose Tackle and our D would be, once Little Walter displaces every QB’s favorite CB – Johnson, invincible.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 28, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

CJ gets a bad rep because he is thrown on so much it’s insane. He’s arguably the most targeted corner in the league, and yet he still manages to be a fairly decent corner. McFadden can come in, rotate with him, and keep CJ fresh and active on pass plays. Mcfadden is a very underrated draft choice. He’s basically a younger CJ, minus the veteran savvy. Give him a couple years under Nnamdi and watch him shine.

Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.

by KA1Z3R on Apr 28, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

you are probably right.

I would like to have Desmond Bryant there, but I have doubt it will happen. But besides the NT position, that’s how I want the DL to look, imo.

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Apr 28, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

We have a tonne of athletes

We can give so many packages its hard to prepare for us IF we do it right. That is one big fat IF!!. Al will always have the final say on what he wants to see in the end. The D players need to learn the different looks, be prepared for the rotations which will be very high with subs and be willing to be “part” of the answer and not be suck holes like Hayneswothless is in Washington. They all have to buy into it and be ready to sit in certain situations and take a role rather than be on the field for every play. Its a different world out there now in the NFL and WE MUST adapt to win.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Apr 27, 2010 2:05 PM PDT reply actions  

I don’t think we should cut him. You never know about injuries and things like that. Having him on the roster doesn’t hurt.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Apr 27, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

But maybe he'll get disgruntled and seek a realease or trade. (low trade value btw) although decent stats for a backup.

His hopes will be shattered to fulfill his dream to be a starter in th NFL and I feel bad for him, which is why I think we should cut him so he could shine elsewhere, pass rushing-wise, kinda sucks at run D.

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Apr 27, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

this is the most excited ive been for a raiders season in soo long

i cant wait for this defense to get on the field and kick some ass

by raiderfan4life on Apr 27, 2010 2:27 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree. It'll be him or Ricky Brown.

I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.

by Rich Langford on Apr 27, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I actually think we could see the bigger and more physical Goethel playing the 2nd. MLB spot. Though Howard definitely would not surprise or disappoint me

Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.

by KA1Z3R on Apr 28, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its been a very very very very long time

since we had a hard hitting, crap/wet your drawers type defense. Al we need now is that player who gonna be the hammer. Maybe McClain will, maybe Dick will step up or Groves or anyother one of our FA aquisitions. I just want a guy to put the fear of God in the opposing offense just like Matt Millen, Lester Hayes, Tatum et al use to do. The occassional late hit, horse collar or head slap would be welcome.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Apr 27, 2010 2:40 PM PDT reply actions  

It has the look

of a sort of “wildcat” defense. There should be a lot of different looks due mostly in part to all the quick linebackers/ends in the lineup. Also look for Huff to play his position a little more like Polamalu does——lots of blitz stuff lies ahead for him, and he is a hitter.

Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death

by spec on Apr 27, 2010 3:01 PM PDT reply actions  

I wonder what the Goal Line setup would look like....

5 man front, 3 linebackers, 2 db, 1 safety setup

LE : Houston
DT1: Kelly
NT: Seymour
DT2: Bryant
RE: Shaughnessy/Scott?
LOLB: Wimbley
ROLB: Howard
MLB: McClain
CB1: Asomugha
CB2: Johnson
S: T. Branch

by Wern on Apr 27, 2010 3:15 PM PDT reply actions  

I like the fact that we have a diverse D, but I dont really enjoy yours.

For one, why keep Seymour around if your going to be playing him him at DT? When he’s clearly suited for DE.

Another thing, Scott isn’t on the field enough. He’s our best pass rusher and is way more talented than Groves.

Phillip Rivers Is A Douche

by JaKe. on Apr 27, 2010 3:24 PM PDT reply actions  

who else would play DT then? Bryant? Not good enough on the run. Seymour is the best option at DT to go with Kelly unless we actually do play Houston at DT or sign someone else. Who knows, maybe that 355 Meane guy gets it.

Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.

by KA1Z3R on Apr 28, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know what you mean, but I guess Tom doesn't see it as an issue.

I just think Seymour would be getting paid way to much to be playing at a feeble level on the inside. Maybe Bryant is getting big, he’s only 15-20 lbs away from being able to play NT at a high level.

I also like that large 355 pounder. If he can do it, then our D is set.

Phillip Rivers Is A Douche

by JaKe. on Apr 28, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

KICK IT OFF!!

We wear the silver we wear the black, so don’t get in our way.

by R8DR.ROB'CAL14 on Apr 27, 2010 3:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Radio

Hey i dont live in the area and i was wondering if there is a sports radio station that talks about the raiders and streams on the web?

by word2bigbird on Apr 27, 2010 3:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Raider Fan Radio is run by some friends of mine and they are excellent!!!

http://www.raiderfanradio.net

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Apr 27, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for that

Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death

by spec on Apr 27, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I kind of want Walter Mcfadden starting over Chris Johnson

Fear is the Mind Killer

by dubzero23 on Apr 27, 2010 4:21 PM PDT reply actions  

really ? Routt is one of the worst cover CBs I have ever seen … a track guy who never made the shift to football … we still lack depth at CB, but Im praying that McFadden comes through

Just Win, baby !

by raidermarcus on Apr 27, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he meant Wmac over Routt

tatum, davidson, romanowski, wisniewski...LET'S GET NASTIER!!!!

by angelesoterica on Apr 27, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

DUBMAC!!!!

tatum, davidson, romanowski, wisniewski...LET'S GET NASTIER!!!!

by angelesoterica on Apr 27, 2010 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

better yet, MACDOUBLE!!!!!!

my genius amazes me lol

tatum, davidson, romanowski, wisniewski...LET'S GET NASTIER!!!!

by angelesoterica on Apr 27, 2010 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Me too: But CJ should benefit from a D-Line that stops the run

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Apr 27, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stanford??

come on, the only reason he got that tender was so he could give some of that money to Randy Hanson under the table.

Biggest omission IMHO when recapping the Raiders draft is the McFadden selection. CJ is not up to snuff…but if McFadden emerges as hoped our top 4 DBs are definitely servicable.

by iriebuff on Apr 27, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why is Lamarr a DE from the get go???

Seems like a Seymour/Matt S. (not even going to try to spell his last name) are the DEs w/Kelly and Houston at the DTs? UNLESS as some people are discussing we move Richard inside to DT. Can’t wait to see how this plays out in mini-camp.

by iriebuff on Apr 27, 2010 4:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Not pulling for him personally...just think we have more to go on at DE than DT

makes more sense….but I do hope Matt keeps improving so we’ll all memorize Shaughnessy

by iriebuff on Apr 27, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cable already said they were looking at Houston for DE

which makes sense in a way as he should be pretty good at sealing off the outside run.
I could see Seymour getting used more inide this year with Houston and Shaughnessy on the ends.

by KiwiRaiderFan on Apr 27, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can't get any better? Really?

Hey man I liked the article, I can see a lot of thought went into it but hold off on making us the 85 bears for just a little while, OK!?!? We made a ton of improvement on paper but it still remains to be seen if the old man will turn Marshall loose. Like some other commentators have pointed out, its about cohesion as a unite and buying into the scheme….. heck we have to have a scheme first. With that said I still believe we need one more pro bowl D lineman and if we land one, WE MUST RELEASE THE HOUNDS!!!! Let those big dogs hunt, D lineman thrive on being disruptive and making plays. That’s how you make a Haynesworth happy, you let him wreck shop. Trust me, one more big name on the D line such as Henderson or Haynesworth, the collective effort and effectiveness of that unit would skyrocket thus making everyone around them much better.

by DITCHDAVIS on Apr 27, 2010 4:50 PM PDT reply actions  

hysterical

i sense a bit of optimism… the defense maybe better then last year but not by much… if we continue to play man, when most of the league is evolving their offenses we might not be good at all. do you really think Al will change defensive schemes? come on… it seems like the players havent bought into it so what makes it any different this year? cause we had a good draft? we did have a good draft, but i dont think plugged that hole in the middle… you know..the one that is about 30 yards long?
 
some of you guys have short term memory? or selective memory…

aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR

by gogomaplata on Apr 27, 2010 10:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Pessimistic much?

Have you not followed any Raider news? We’ve signed and traded for 2 OLB/DE players, drafted a 3-4 DE and drafted a LB who’s perfect for the 3-4 scheme. Change is near.

And, Tom even mentioned that Oakland will be showing a very diverse D with alot of time in the 5 technique. You may not know this, but Al isn’t running the show anymore. He still has power and gives his consent and plugs in his thoughts from time to time; Tom, Hue and John Marshall are secretly our new GM’s. If you ask me, they’re doin a fine job.

Phillip Rivers Is A Douche

by JaKe. on Apr 27, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

your right...

im a bit sour… im not sold on this team yet. i dont know how much ive payed in season tix the last 3 years but i sure could use the refund!

aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR

by gogomaplata on Apr 27, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Am I the only one who thinks we will be seeing a Seymour for Haynesworth trade?

We need a NT, we’re stacked with DEs. Seymour doesn’t seem to fit anywhere but DT with the youth we’ve acquired. The jaflatulence cut will allow us to absorb the contract. This actually makes sense.

tatum, davidson, romanowski, wisniewski...LET'S GET NASTIER!!!!

by angelesoterica on Apr 27, 2010 11:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Not ok

with Goethel starting in basic 3-4. 2 Rookies starting at once in a little more complex d doesn’t work.

by raiders4liffe on Apr 28, 2010 7:39 AM PDT reply actions  

I don’t know, I just really think Goethel is going to open a lot of eyes in camp. Doesn’t matter to me, whoever wins the competitions is the better player.

Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.

by KA1Z3R on Apr 28, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Houston may play DE in 3-4 looks only & may move him inside to DT on 4-3 looks.

Also I wouldn’t want Haynesworth over Seymour since the latter seems to play much harder & doesn’t sound like a crybaby just cause they’re telling him to play NT in a 3-4. I also agree with Howard playing ILB in 3-4 looks next to McClain as well as on 3rd down only to keep the D fresh. This team still needs a nose otherwise I believe they are going to move Kelly to that spot since there’s no rumor to him being cut so they may make him into a project. We will see. I’m ready to see how this looks in pre-season to get a better idea.

by TAW on Apr 28, 2010 2:00 PM PDT reply actions  

I ALREDY DO IN MADDEN

i made up all the new players Etc. i hav mcclain seymour mitchell mcfadden EVERYONE on our current defense and its fun doing WHATVER u want with them . theres so many guys. im agine using the “Everybody standing up” defensee the way pittsburgh does!

by raiderab21 on May 4, 2010 7:48 PM PDT reply actions  

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