Rumor Mill: Raiders Interested in Jason Campbell
by Rated-R Superstar on Apr 5, 2010 10:54 PM PDT
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PrintAh, it's another rumor for today. It's like fielding a routine grounder and then tossing it across the diamond for the third out of the inning in a tie game late. Am I right, Kevin Kouzmanoff?
Anyway, the Washington Redskins acquired quarterback Donovan McNabb from the Philadelphia Eagles yesterday. You might have heard that one at some point last night. Well, that trade basically spelled the end for Jason Campbell at our nation's capital. According to the Washington Post, five teams are interested in Jason Campbell. Of course, our Oakland Raiders were among those teams mentioned.
Currently, I'm sure all of you are well aware of the starting job candidates the Raiders have lined up for September. We have JaMarcus Russell and Bruce Gradkowski, so it's pretty clear that Gradkowski should be the starter without a doubt. With Al Davis, though, you never really know. Everyone has their own theory as to who will be starting. Gradkowski performed well enough to win, but Russell was Davis' guy in the 2007 draft and he's still around despite playing like total garbage. Could we add another quarterback to the mix, though?
Jason Campbell, drafted 25th overall out of the University of Auburn in 2005, is coming off of the best season of his career. In his third season as a starter, Campbell completed 64 percent of his passes and threw for 3,618 yards. While he isn't effective down the field, he's an above average quarterback at the least. Here in Oakland, I'm sure he could run this vanilla offense. These the potential suitors for Campbell according to the link:
Buffalo, Carolina, Oakland, Jacksonville and an unidentified team are believed to be interest in Campbell, who can become a restricted free agent after the 2010 season
Since Campbell cannot become a free agent of any sort until after this upcoming season, I was initially indifferent on whether or not the Raiders should look into trading for the guy. If he was a free agent, I'd totally go for it. He'd be an upgrade over Bruce Gradkowski. Since he's not a free agent and the Redskins still own him, I'm not totally sold on committing to him in a trade; however, I'd toss out a late pick and see what the Redskins would do. We might as well get involved. If the asking price is too much, oh well. We can say that we at least tried and attempted to make our team better.
What say you, nation?
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He'd be just another
Aaron Brooks experiment…
"It's like Will Smith, remember the Fresh Prince? Get the ball don't let nobody else shoot? That's kinda what the offense can be sometimes, and they're just standing around waiting for Monta to make a play"
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by golden_solitude on Apr 5, 2010 11:08 PM PDT reply actions
I've always thought that he could develope into a great QB
…unfortunately he’s still developing and Oakland is no place to develop; however, like you said he is above average. I would like to have him, but it all depends on the trade terms really. He’s not worth that much and I would rather use the picks to build all the other areas of our team while riding on the coattails of Radkowski for a couple of years if we have to.
Cable Bumaye! Raiders Bumaye!
YES
like anything else, it depends what we’re giving up. Below a 2nd round pick, all day; no question. A late 1st round pick, may be worth it. My impression of Campbell is that he’s NFL – mature, prepared, and has an arm. Still has his swagger and quiet confidence. Bringing him in is a slam dunk.
draft a qb
how about the RAIDERS draft Colt MCcOY IN THE 2ND ROUND.
No
That would be beyond terrible.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Apr 5, 2010 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Why would that be beyond terrible?
Hes accurate, smart, a leader and a winner. Im not quite sure why he’s ranked under Jimmy " Douchebag" Clausen.
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What?
Hes accurate, smart, a leader and a winner. Im not quite sure why he’s ranked under Jimmy " Douchebag" Clausen.
- Clausen was accurate in a pro style offense and McCoy was accurate out of the shot gun.
- McCoy had a great team and a defense, so that’s why he’s viewed as a leader and winner.
- Personality doesn’t have to do your draft ranking so that’s why the “douchebag” is rated higher than the golden boy.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Apr 6, 2010 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions
So you admit he's a Douche? Ha!
<McCoy had a great team and a defense, so that’s why he’s viewed as a leader and winner>
For one, Im pretty sure every team has a defense. ;) Even if that teams defense played well, that shouldn’t effect Colts leadership. New Englands 07 team had a great Defense, does that mean Tom Brady wasn’t a leader? No.
And the fact that Texas had a great team was probably greatly due to Colt playing QB. Without him, They would’ve just been a good Defensive team with no Offense.
And Colt played behind a extremely overrated O-Line. They had alot of applause but not one lineman really shined. He had to be a mobile QB to play behind those gentlemen.
I would not mind drafting Colt at all, He should be available in the late 2nd to early 3rd. So it wouldnt be a massive risk. He’s experienced so he should be able to start right away. And he’s mobile, accurate and a field general.
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Re
So you admit he’s a Douche? Ha!
Well, no. That’s why it was in quotations. I don’t know how he is a douche.
Even if that teams defense played well, that shouldn’t effect Colts leadership.
McCoy was viewed as a leader because he won games. He led his team to score a lot of points and that’s why he was a terrific college quarterback. Unlike McCoy, Clausen didn’t have the defense so he couldn’t win as many games. That hurts the “leadership” tag for Clausen.
And Colt played behind a extremely overrated O-Line. They had alot of applause but not one lineman really shined. He had to be a mobile QB to play behind those gentlemen.
He played in a spread offense. It’s not like he was routinely avoiding sacks. He was a relatively fast quarterback as well, yes.
And he’s mobile, accurate and a field general.
He’s undersized. (Yes, I know Drew Brees is small.) He doesn’t have a strong arm. He hasn’t played in a pro style offense.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Apr 6, 2010 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Look...
Colt is a joke who sat out of the biggest game of his life. Whether you like it or not Kiper and about 70% of the NFL scouts have Clausen rated as the best/ready QB. There is a reason for that. Most of you hate him b/c he played for Notre Dame and you can’t look past that. You have no stats or situations to back up your beef. The only knock on him is that he is a douche? Who cares ! If this guy played for ANY other team all of you would be dangling off his jockstrap. He is miles ahead od Mccoy. If we get a QB it should be Clausen, then draft Bruce Cambell in the 2nd b/c he will be there.
McCoy
Well, I certainly wouldn’t call him a joke. He had no choice other than to sit out the biggest game of his life since he was unfortunately injured badly enough.
He was a better college quarterback than Clausen, but I don’t think he’s a better pro prospect than him.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Apr 6, 2010 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions
McCoy doesn’t have any attributes of a Raider. I think Bruce deserves his year to prove himself, but im with you I wouldn’t mind seeing Jimmy C get drafted at 8. Its obvious that Mr Davis doesn’t think the guys we have can get it done. If we can score Gaither it would make sense to me.
If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you.
by Parental Advisory on Apr 6, 2010 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Jimmy? I didn't know you were a Raider fan! Maybe your not such a arrogant ass!
Alright Mr. Elek, Your right. He’s a joke. Thats why he has won more games than nay NCCA QB ever has. Ha, He’s such a joke that he won 13 of the top 15 major college player awards including quarterback of the year, offensive player of the year and outstanding football player of the year in his senior year. Wow, Im so glad you realized his lack of football skills. This guy could’ve been drafted by Al. Shit! The last thing I want is a succesful, award winning QB like him to play for us.
If it was my choice, Id take Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow, Colt McCoy or Dan LeFevour before I even glanced at Jimmy. And Bruce Cambell? I shouldn’t be shocked seeing your eye for talent.
In Bruce We Trust
thank god your not running things. lets see you would rather pick 3 spread offense QB’s with dynamite teams over a QB that can run a pro-style westcoast offense and had 5, 4th quarter comebacks with a less than average team last year? yeah okay, go back and play your madden game.
If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you.
by Parental Advisory on Apr 6, 2010 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe I was a little premature....
but McCoy comes off like a Rex Grossman to me. Bradford would be a dream, but obviously that is not possible. I could live with LeFevour also. There is no diss on Bruce Cambell, he might not make it out the 1st. You dont think getting a QB and Bruce Cambell would be a good 1st and 2nd round?
If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you.
by Parental Advisory on Apr 6, 2010 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Quarterback
With it not being a legitimate need, I wouldn’t spend our top pick on one. Trade late a pick for Campbell, fine. Spend our last pick a on a stab-in-the-dark project, fine. We don’t need to take Clausen with the eighth pick or any other quarterback with the eighth pick.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Apr 6, 2010 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah
the best OT’s and DT’s will be off the board by the time we pick. So the question goes back who the heck is left?
If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you.
by Parental Advisory on Apr 6, 2010 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions
CB Joe Haden
The safest pick with the highest ceiling and considering we are the Oakland Raiders he is probably the only top pick that would pan out for us.
"I need a couple A's for Q's, I'm not an Asshole I'm just a little confused"
-Aesop Rock
I think it's the only pick to make, or trade out of the first
any one else is a reach, or a question mark right there. I don’t think CB should be addressed with a first round pick, but of all the guys you take in the first round, a CB will probably get a smaller price tag. The tackles, DT’s, QBs, and skills players (if any) will get ridiculous millions this year.
I won’t be upset at all if Haden is taken, though I’d prefer to stockpile 2nds and 3rds or recover next year’s first rounder and get some late rounds and compensatory picks. We can get some solid FBs perhaps sleepers at other positions with them.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
First round pay scale is slotted
Position doesn’t dictate going price for top picks. It’s a slotted system.
by Doc Martin 28 on Apr 11, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I like your line of thinking
However, I think an interior lineman is the more pressing issue. A center would be great.
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I initially felt it was tackle, but have come around to think our tackles would do just fine with upgrading G and C
especially when I think of having Iupati and Pouncey, or even Young, and if they could dominate at the point of attack. I believe you’d see much more consistent, high level play from the likes of Henderson and either Walker or Barnes.
And since all the tackles after Okung, with the exception of Bulaga, who still has the arm length question mark (I think it’s blown out of proportion with him, just watch him run block) who’ll likely be gone at our pick, perhaps Iupati or Pouncey are our guys.
Two big, dominant men on the interior to allow the tackles to focus on their jobs, could make our line look entirely different. Just having Cornhole gone was a tremendous boost to the unit.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I really want Iupati, not so much because Pouncey because I hear there are some terrific Centers in next years draft.
In Bruce We Trust
I have heard the same
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I wouldn't put Bradford up for the Hall of Fame just yet.
Everybody is yanking this guys cock like he already won the Superbowl.
He’ll be going to the RAMS for Christ sake.
He’s got a surgically repaired right shoulder and hasn’t play one down in the NFL.
He’s this years JaMarcus Russell ! and could fail just as miserably.
Bradford
He’s this years JaMarcus Russell ! and could fail just as miserably.
He could also just as easily become a pretty good quarterback.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Apr 6, 2010 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Wrong. Sam Bradfor has worked his ass off to get back into playing shape.
In fact, He’s come back better than he was before the injury. If JaMarcus suffered such a injury, He’d say “fuck it” and try his luck at something that doesnt involve using his right arm.
In Bruce We Trust
Russell
If JaMarcus suffered such a injury, He’d say "fuck it" and try his luck at something that doesnt involve using his right arm.
He really should right now because his career is severely injured.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Apr 6, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
No worries
My bet is that he will get caught with a tiny, shiny handgun in his manpurse. End of problem.
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Theres lots of these, even saw one of us perhaps interested in Marc Bulger...
But i would be aight with a trade for Campbell as long as its for a fourth and no more.
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WHY
You guys don’t give Gradkowski a break what so ever i say stick with him he has earned the starting spot
Bringing in Jason Cambell would be a great idea.
He’s a good QB, he’d be cheap, he’d bring competetion to the QB spot and if he doesn’t see success, We can just release him after the year because he has only 1 year left.
At the moment, we have only one QB capable of winning. Bruce is working his ass off to be the man, JaMarcus is gambling and Im not quite sure what Charlie is doing. So we need that other guy to come in and give Training Camp that drama.
In Bruce We Trust
hmmm Jason cambell would look good in a silver and black uniform
We should give the guy a shot and not rush into things if they’re not doing soo well at the start. Unless effort is being shown out there on the football field. The raiders just need to find their main QB and stick with him no matter what happens. Building around him and giving him the tools to win is key to success! :)
"The scope of the Raiders' problems spans beyond the quarterback position"
Trade a 3rd round pick for Campbell...
…or Russell, if we can, and use our top two picks for OL and DT, two areas of need. Then we get a starting QB who is a step above Grankowski (and miles above Russell) and address two team needs. This is what we need to do. And hay, if Gradkowski can beat out Campbell, well that’s even better for us. Teams today need 2 starting QB’s on their roster, if not 3. We barely have 1.
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Couldn't find a better photo? Thats kinda of a disgraceful picture.
Here, I’ll help you out.
In Bruce We Trust
No Thanks
There are plenty of good pictures in the built-in post search. I felt the picture I chose displays how he feels about the McNabb trade, how the local media has treated him and how the future looks for him in Washington.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Apr 6, 2010 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL
It looks like he is throwing the wrong way!
I really like Campbell. He is a smart player with a strong, accurate arm.
Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death
Ha. I noticed that too! After you realize that its hard to imagine it the other way again
In Bruce We Trust
For sure!
Who wants a QB that’s chucking passes the wrong direction. We already JaLineman for that kind of QB play.
Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast.
by Rich Langford on Apr 6, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
This is a freaking wild offseason....
we need to sign a damn Tackle though !
If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you.
by Parental Advisory on Apr 6, 2010 1:03 AM PDT reply actions
Gaither....
if we can’t sign him, draft the best available depending on what we do with the 8th pick. There are lots of holes to fill.
If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you.
by Parental Advisory on Apr 6, 2010 1:16 AM PDT up reply actions
There are a few holes to fill, but I think our O-Line can last longer than our run D.
Our O-Line held up semi-well when Robert Gallery wasn’t injured. If he stays healthy and we add another rookie or FA to the mix, we should be fine.
But our Run D is unbareable to watch. The Dallas game is a good example. They ran is straight up the middle numerous times and gained dozens if not more each time.
In Bruce We Trust
Offensive Line
When a competent quarterback was out there, it held up just fine. It needs improving, but it’s not bad. JaMarcus Russell made it worse than it was.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Apr 6, 2010 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree
The line broke down most times because of Russell’s inability to move to the proper spots in the pocket and he held the ball too long most times as well…that will make any line look bad. I think the line struggled a little bit to make the transition from Russell to Gradkowski who is a lot more mobile and knows where to go in the pocket and when to scramble. A full offseason training to protect a guy like Gradkowski will do wonders for the line.
Having said that…I still think the line has room for improvement. Why not go for a solid vet like Adams?
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Held up so well
That our 2nd and 3rd QB’s were nearly killed!
Sorry, just because they were a little better at escaping the onslaught of defenders didn’t make the line any better. The right side has to be replaced and who knows about Henderson at left tackle.
I was not happy with the line either.
No matter who was in. Beyond the passing game they never dominated in run blocking.
I also have serious doubts that Gallery will ever have an injury free season. I’d like to see at least one lineman drafted at each position. I would love to see a center brought in that is at least capable of pushing for the starting spot.
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by Rich Langford on Apr 6, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree
Felix Jones ran unscaved up the middle for what 2 TD’s? On defense, in my opininion we definately need a DT and mean ass MLB the most. I can live with our CB’s.
Our O-Line played well b/c it seemed like they new we coiuld win with Bruce and Frye back there. I also agree that we need Gallery healthy and a SOLID LT.
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by Parental Advisory on Apr 6, 2010 1:35 AM PDT reply actions
Looking into it wouldn’t be a bad idea, however I am in the “Give Bruce the keys” camp. I believe the man has more heart for this game and this team than anyone, but you can’t help but wonder if his body can keep up with that heart.
As for Claussen…as much as I dislike Herm Edwards, he made a very poignant comment about Claussen I have to agree with. Claussen was in a pro style offense, under Charlie Weis, a pro style coach. The question becomes, where is his ceiling? Is this a “what you see is what you get” deal? How far can he really develop?
I do agree that seeing McCoy slated so low in the draft is confusing. The winningest collegiate quarterback of all time going in potentially the 3rd round…say what you want about running the spread and his lack of size, and call me crazy, but if we had pick one, to I’d still rather have McCoy than any other qb in this draft, Bradford included.
Back on topic, I just don’t know about Campbell.
No Swagger Like The Silver & Black
I Also Think....
…Campbell is pissed off at the ‘Skins and Snyder for blaming him for all of Washington’s woes (frankly, the team is poorly built because of Snyder, IMO), so he’d come here with something to prove. This cud really click.
:=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
I say we get 'im
I’ve said he’d have more success here for some time, and now that it seems a possibility, let’s get it done.
This is provided we upgrade our blocking unit; it’d be unrealistic to think he could come in and compete for starting job right away, so as long as Bruce plays well enough in camp and preseason to keep the job he’s earned, we could fill the Jamarcus hole with Jason, and actually have a nice, viable backup, for if and when Bruce gets hurt again.
There, all you Bruce haters, who claim we compare him to Joe Montana… the answer to the Bruce getting hurt question is answered, and Jason is a far more viable backup than the likes of McCoy, Clausen, Locker, or any of the others of this year’s, what I believe very questionable qb class. I’ll take Dan Lefevour if he’s there in the fourth or fifth, but no early round qbs! They’re not worth the risk and price tag this time around.
Learn from the JR mistake, and just say no. Especially to TEBOW.
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I have always really like Campbell
Granted never thought the guy was going to set the NFL on fire. But then again we don’t need one to, we need a guy that can come in and throw 20 TD’s, 3,500 yards. Give me those numbers and I will take 14-16 Ints. We need something from the QB position and Campbell is more game ready and reliable then the QB’s we have. Plus bringing in Campbell we could put it rather blunt to JaFungus “either beat this guy out for the QB position or your done.”
I would bring him in for a 4th or 2011 3rd.
"I need a couple A's for Q's, I'm not an Asshole I'm just a little confused"
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Do not trade for Cambell
Just go with wut we got draft the rite people n we will be in good shape grad will step up n take the starting spot all we need is some oline help n another dt we got this real raider nation fans knw wuts up been here through the thick n thin we dont need cambell hes just another qb like we got we dont need to waste any more draft picks after the last mess ups they picked so let us take the field with wut were gna get this draft n see how it goes down u knw !!!
Campbell as a Raider
is right. The only question is cost. I love him for a 2nd round or worst; I hate the trade for our #8; that would make no sense when Clausen should still be there. Without an OL, Bruce or any QB may not make it through the year. My prefence is to trade #8 down, pick up an OL and trade that low 1st for Campbell.
Campbell for a 2nd rounder?
That’s the same price tag as McNabb pretty much…he’s not worth nearly as much. I wouldn’t spend more than a 4th rounder on that guy. He’s not the answer at QB for us…he’s just a slightly better version of Russell.
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Campbell still has upside; McNabb was about slowing the decline. I would be fine with either for a 2nd. Experienced QBs are rare.
by raiders4liffe on Apr 6, 2010 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Rated-R Superstar thanks for the dialog, rumors are rumors, however, it is always good to look at what could potentially happen
Should we trade for Campbell? if you know anything about football the answer is yes for the right price. Campbell comes with knowledge of the speed of the game, and with better coaching he would become an even better QB..He tends to not take chances when he really should trust his arm, however, that is something you can teach him to do with practice. We need to look at QB even in the later rounds, Campbell gives you someone proven…And for you B-Grad fans, well, its ok, but this guy is “injury prone” and he is a journeyman at best, he is not the answer, he is just the best we have right now and we really need to fix that. Campbell is NOT worth a first round pick, 3rd at best, and maybe even 4th. Clauson and the other top QB’s rated in the draft will not be available for the Raiders, and I don’t think we should draft a QB until the 4th round tops..Campbell would offer real competition in camp and it would probably be the end of J-Russ has a Raider. Campbell is young and has been tested under fire, he would be a great additional, and quite frankly, he would beat out B-Grad, he is a better QB, stronger, taller, faster, and more physical also. He is far better than Russell, not a slightly better version!!! Have you watched the game film, you can’t compare Campbell with Russell based upon performance, and he is definitely better that anyone on our current roster and that’s a fact. He is worth a 4th or 5th round pick in a trade.
by Rodney Sacramento on Apr 6, 2010 5:21 AM PDT reply actions
Clausen
with the Skins out of the QB market, Clausen may still be there at #8 as most teams are fairly set at QB. I’m ok picking up a OL at #8 and trading a 2nd for Campbell. It’s worth the stretch for a 2nd all day. If you like Campbell -
“Campbell would offer real competition in camp and it would probably be the end of J-Russ has a Raider. Campbell is young and has been tested under fire, he would be a great additional, and quite frankly, he would beat out B-Grad, he is a better QB, stronger, taller, faster, and more physical also. He is far better than Russell, not a slightly better version!!! Have you watched the game film, you can’t compare Campbell with Russell based upon performance, and he is definitely better that anyone on our current roster and that’s a fact”
We can’t go into training camp with Bruce and JR. If he’s the best available QB who can step in that pocket, you need to grab him and a 2nd is NOT too much for a starting QB.
by raiders4liffe on Apr 6, 2010 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions
raiders4life, you do have a valid point, however, in that it is a trade I would probably start with a 3rd round pick
….And I totally agree that we CANNOT go into training camp with what we have at QB. Excellent points…OT at number 8 is a must maybe give Flozell Adams a realy look if he wants to play and see if something for Campbell can be worked out….
by Rodney Sacramento on Apr 6, 2010 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
yes thanks Rated
good read imo
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Bulger?
Since he was let go why not give him a shot. Obviously they dont want to pay his $8 mill price tag this year given that they are gonna draft a QB and pay more for or the same for that QB.
We could get him for I think its half of his contract and set JaMonsterMouth free before April 14 and save $10 mill using a portion of that to get Bulger.
I am not totally sold on Bulger but he is a 5 level upgrade on JaBloatAssEatemUpuss.
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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Apr 6, 2010 5:52 AM PDT reply actions
Bulger: Why the hell not
He’d be cheap and he is readily available.
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by Rich Langford on Apr 6, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Bulger is Terrible...
and he is 33. Cambell is the much safer alternative
If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you.
by Parental Advisory on Apr 6, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Except Bulger is a no risk move. Just bring him into camp.
Cut him if he sucks. It won’t cost anything.
I agree J C is the better answer, but he is going to come at a price.
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by Rich Langford on Apr 6, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Not really. Jason has 1 year left. He'd be like a project move, but if it works and we
see sucess. We can offer him a better contract.
In Bruce We Trust
Right, but they have to trade to get him.
Bulger could probably be brought into camp for a box of wine.
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by Rich Langford on Apr 6, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
lmao!
He used to look so solid! WTF happened?
Dude threw lasers when Faulk was around! I agree it’s a no risk move, and not unlikely we see him worked out.
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Yeah, but he also had Bruce and Holt in their primes
I think it would be a fairly low risk move to bring him in. He wants to start somewhere so why not give him a shot in the competition?
by KiwiRaiderFan on Apr 6, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
So would you
the Rams O line is as bad as ours in some ways and that turf! OMG he has some concussions too I think but who doesnt except Janakowski but his liver and the rest are on support systems from the GHB, ecstasy and more.
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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Apr 10, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
If we
do not have to overpay for Campbell….(3rd round or higher)….I say why not. JaMarcus sucks, but I don’t think we can just give Grads the starting QB spot. I believe he has to earn his starting spot in camp like everyone else. He has not been on 4 teams in 3 years for nothing. I love what he gave us this year, but lets not be quick to jump on him so fast.
Trade for late 3rd or 4th
Late 3rd (if we trade Morrison) need to build the lines with the first few picks.
The future is uncertain... and the end is always near. JMorrison
Troy Smith for a Fifth Round Pick?
Hey, why not Troy Smith? I believe he’s hungry, He most likely knows what Hue jackson i looking for, and he’s Mobile. I just believe that it is bad luck that’s he’s had, especially two seasons ago (tonsilitis). He wants to prove himself.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Apr 6, 2010 7:32 AM PDT reply actions
YES!! for a 5th
hes not bad hes cheap and a heisman winner. He cant be worse then Russell and who knows maybe hes better then Grad.
Quick mock.
1st. OT Trent Williams or Bryan Bulaga
2nd.NT Linval Joseph, Cam thomas, or MT. Cody
3rd.OT/G Vladimir Ducasse UMass
3rd. (from morrison) Pat Angerer, ILB
4th. J.D. Walton, C, Baylor
5th. Troy Smith
After that the best corners available
Good start,
though as much as I might wish it, Vlad Ducasse won’t be there in the 3rd. If he is, I’m with you for sure.
We can wait and take Olsen @ C out of ND in the 5th
4th rd we should try to get Myron Lewis CB out of Vandy
We also need a FB out of this draft John Conner out of Kentucky or Manase Tonga out of BYU would be available in the last rounds
Here is why I don't think Al will bring in J C
While he isn’t effective down the field
Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast.
thats personal opinion. a Raider scout said he had a good deep ball.
If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you.
by Parental Advisory on Apr 6, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
No only if it means they're bringing him in & it leads to JR being cut.
Also I think Bulger would be a better pickup than Campbell. He’s not worth trading picks for. I don’t think he would even beat out Gradkowski for the starting job personally.
Love the Kevin Kouzmanoff reference
Hahah Heard he had a horrible game last night.
Yes
He committed an error with two outs in the top of the ninth and then the Mariners scored two runs. He also hit into a double play twice last night solidifying his spot as one of the worst clean-up hitters in baseball.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Apr 6, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Geez
Well, I guess he fits in perfectly with the A’s then.
Eh
Last year, Kouzmanoff led the National League in fielding percentage among all third basemen. He even posted a 7.5 UZR. As far as the double plays go, yes, he’s right in line.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Apr 6, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Personally, Kouzmanoff's play last night made me very happy!
Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast.
by Rich Langford on Apr 6, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah that nation is pretty much has a population of me
Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast.
by Rich Langford on Apr 6, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
So how's that work, anyway?
or is there a relevant connection, i.e. you live in Seattle, or have a brother that plays for the Mariners or something? just curious. usually there are pretty good stories behind those things.
Notice how I didn’t ask how you’re a Raider fan, too? lol
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Will Shanny and Bruce deal with Al?
I don’t want Campbell, but seriously, doesn’t Shannahan still have a lawsuit tied up in red tape for salary owed?
I am pretty sure Mike S let that go.
Great point though. Shannahan will want to stick it to Davis whenever possible. The asking price for Campbell is probably a little higher for the Raiders than any other team.
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by Rich Langford on Apr 6, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I believe
That Shanahan got the decision in the courts. Thats one thing but collecting on a lawsuit is a completely other scenario. I think he would collect by giving it to Al bent over, without KY and with an attatchment hooked on him.
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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Apr 10, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
If the price is right, then do it.
Campbell had a solid year last year, and people have to remember that he’s been playing in the NFC East which has a lot of very good defenses. Plus his O-line was probably worse than ours. Gradkowski made our o-line look decent, and Campbell could probably be just as effective behind it if not better. Not to mention they are going to upgrade it through the draft. The guy has pretty much all of the physical attributes that the Raiders thought Russell had (big arm, big, and athletic), plus he’s accurate and is a good decision maker when the line protects.
I agree, if the price is right, why not give Campbell a shot? Maybe we could trade a third or even a fourth round selection for him. I wouldn’t go any higher than that because our lines on both sides need to be addressed with those picks. Moreover, we could cut ties with J.R and have a solid quaterback with experience should anything happen to whoever won the starting position.
Also, I think that trading our second round pick to the Ravens for Gaithers(a proven player that can have an immediate positive effect on our team) wouldn’t be a bad decision either- given our past problems drafting players.
All in all, I really hope that decisions made in the offseason help put our team in a position to be competitive this upcoming year and for years to come. I see a lot of potential in the team we just need some key additions with the right coaching to catapult to that level of play that’s been evading us for several consecutive years.
by BayAreaNative on Apr 6, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
our needs are not a qb!
get back to our needs, ot, og, dt, mlb, cb, te, rb.why waste a pick on a qb that has to start over and learn our system. #5 bruce almighty is our guy. lets get jarmacus out of here!
then you can pick up a qb like a veteran, bulger, or someone else.
by sports with steve on Apr 6, 2010 12:30 PM PDT reply actions
Response to "our needs are not a qb!"
I do like Gradkowski; however, I believe that it wouldn’t hurt to bring in some competition for training camp and also for depth at QB. Gradkowski may not hold up through the season and I don’t like our chances of winning with Russel or Frye, so bringing in Campbell and cutting Russel sounds logical to me.
I think we have a good tight end in Miller, and our running backs should be given at least one more year to prove themselves. Also, Chris Jonson played exceptionally well opposite of asomougha. I do agree with you about our OT, OG, DT, and MLB. I think these are the positions that need to be addressed with our higher picks.
by BayAreaNative on Apr 7, 2010 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Not no, but hell no.
If you look at Campbell’s stats, a couple of things glare out at you. #1 his 15 interceptions #2 his11 Fumbles. Half of his fumbles were recovered by the Redskins lucky him, but it could have went the other way. The last thing I want to see in Oakland is another QB that throws the pick and fumbles on regular bases. Haven’t we seen enough of that from Russell? Russell didn’t play the whole season but he threw 11 picks with 6 fumbles. Then again, Campbell missed some games as well. Campbell couldn’t beat out Gradkowski for the starting job anyway, so what’s the point of bringing him in? The Raiders have enough backups QB’s on the roster.
Have you looked closely at the team he has been trying to play for?
The way they have been playing, they will certainly make even the great McNabb look like JaTurdblossom.
Campbell is an upgrade over Bruce(as much as I like the guy). Let them compete for the position——legitimate competition in training camp will raise the level of both QB’s and there is no way Russell can compete with either of these guys.
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I would take Jason.
We could have an offense in washington he had a 5’10 moss as a deep wr’s we have the height but no one to throw the deep ball. I would give them a morrison for Jason. if thats all they want.
not a good idea
I watched the Redskins games this past year and he is a good athlete bad QB. I doubt he even knows the playbook. He stares down his primary receiver without making other reads. No mas just stick with Bruce
Campbell
He stares down his primary receiver without making other reads.
That can appear to be the case when the Redskins offense don’t have him throw the ball beyond 10 yards, so he was effective in terms of getting done what was asked of him.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Apr 6, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Jason Campbell TRADE??
Is it ridiculous to propose the raiders trade J Russel & a 1st round draft pick for Campbell and Haynesworth?
Sounds like Haynesworth needs a change of scene and i think the raider nation is sorely disappointed in Russel. Why not let Russel learn from McNabb while the Raider nation gets Campbell & Gradkowski (much improved QB depth) & a proven DT in Haynesworth?
crazy idea?
Haynesworth
Well, it appears that they are reasonably desperate to get rid of him to change the culture over in D.C. with the new hiring of Shanahan and the new acquisition in McNabb. The Raiders should have interest in him, but I still don’t think they’d be willing to take Russell off of our hands to deal him.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Apr 7, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
And
Do we really want to pay that massive salary for Haynesworth? Does anybody really think he’s worth all that money?
Really?
68% said yes?? The guy couldn’t do anything throwing to Santana Moss and Randle El, but he’s going to come here and make a difference? The guy is mediocre.
What?
Did you even read the post? I guess not, then.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Apr 7, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
No
There’s a reason why 68 percent of the people want to explore the possibility of acquiring and the guy and it’s not because “the guy couldn’t do anything.”
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by Rated-R Superstar on Apr 7, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't understand where you're coming from
It’s not like I’m trying to give you a hard time. You’re lukewarm on the guy, yourself. You only want him if you can get him cheap or for nothing. Doesn’t suggest a whole lot of faith in him. So if I’m down on the guy, why is that a problem for you?
In the Skins forum, he’s not all that popular either.
Wrong
So if I’m down on the guy, why is that a problem for you?
It’s not a problem, actually. Read what I said and then say something. You said he couldn’t do anything with Moss and Randle El and that’s not really an accurate statement.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Apr 7, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I did read it
The stats are all right. They’re not great. He isn’t the second coming of Doug Williams. But yet the Skins can’t wait to get rid of him. Why do they not think he’s their guy for the long run? The point was, the stats don’t tell the whole story. You know that. And you also know his stats won’t look like that if he comes here. At any given time, there’s a dozen or so mediocre quarterbacks floating around the league. We already got one, a bald guy from Toledo.
Since we’re basically doing wishful thinking here, don’t you want something better than mediocre, something solid? Especially after McCown, Brooks, Culpepper, etc.?
Campbell
He can be pretty solid. I don’t think he’s just average since he had an above average season last year, but it was his career year and he can improve upon his performance because it was only his third year as a starter. He was 10th in completion percentage and 14th in passing yards behind a below average offensive line.
Washington was in a terrible position last year. That offense was put through so much. They changed coordinators in the middle of the season and everything.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Apr 8, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
B-Grad has a couple of decent games and some of you want to anoint him the next # 1 QB...
Look B-Grad is injury prone, and he will never be more than a journeyman, he has mediocre skills at best, and Campbell at least has a upside, and he has started and improved each year…Considering our roster he is not a bad acquisition, he is young and with the proper coaching can at least be another weapon, do you think C-Frye is better also?… If we are stuck with J-Russ, and B-Grad how in the world can J-Campbell hurt our roster…The Raiders of old never gave a damn about popularity and most fans don’t have a clue about football…He offers more upside than any QB we could draft..If the price is right I think he would help, because B-Grad is not going to play the entire season, he will get hurt, he always does…
by Rodney Sacramento on Apr 7, 2010 5:45 PM PDT reply actions
I'm all for bringing in Jason, but even if we got him, Bruce'll be the starter, no doubt in my mind
the job will be his to lose, and if he’s in fact as injury prone as you say (I’m not exactly doubting you, and hope we get him some legitimate blocking to pass for the NFL) then Jason would get his chance, and we’ll see what happens.
Frye is a good number three, who gives you a lot behind the scenes; this is in no way an endorsement for us to rest on our laurels and not look at talent, but no way in hell is any of these early rounders worth the early picks for us. Take your chances in the later rounds; I could give a shit, so long as we address the holes on offensive line, defensive tackle, linebacker, and opposite Nnamdi.
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point to the original point
what’s Jason’s fair cost and given the fact that the market is fairly slim, what are you willing to pay. Personally, a former 1st round pick with 3 solid years of experience is worth at least a 3rd. Given our desperate needs, I’m ok parting with a 2nd round pick as previously mentioned. Then you can still draft one of your long shots at 6 or 7th round depending who’s on the board for future development. Your line up would be Jason/Bruce fighting it out, and your development QB at 3rd. However, one of the reasons that he hasn’t be moved by now is his contract. Whichever team has an interest in him would presumably talk long term; that gives him an embedded option to pick and chose which team to further negotiate with. His preference would be a team that guarantees a starting slot, second, who will pay him the most. Lastly, Shani will not go out of way to trade with the raiders. I estimate Campbell coming at 35% chance of happening.
by raiders4liffe on Apr 8, 2010 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Let's do it NOW!!!
Please, please let’s have some competition at the QB position before the year starts. We’ve got 2 journeymen QBs and a bust. Campbell is not a bad quarterback and he is NOT a Rogers or Culpepper. Give the man a chance. If you love Grad, make him earn the job. Hell, I’ll settle for him if he can beat out Campbell. But the QB situation sucks right now and we keep blaming the line. The line sucks but the truth is NOONE respects our passing game. That’s why the running game has suffered. Get him NOW!!!!!
Campbell Trade
So, I have heard in the aquisition via trade offer, for The Skins Jason Campbell would be as goes:
Oaklands: Jason Campbell 1R4 2010
Reskins: 1R82nd+3rd 2010
Anyone Seen or heard anythin along those lines? I heard it from a friend, of whom usually has accurate info, Via Espn and other resources.
If this is true, We could have a shot at, N.Suh or G. McCoy. At worst, a more favorable position to trade down from. Get a late 1st + 3rd? I have read that a deal has to be done by the 15th of this month. So, TIME WILL TELL…
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