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Our 3 best options at quarterback



Ever since the McNabb trade didn't materialize, I've been pondering the quarterback situation.  After much thought, I've decided that if none of the following 3 men are dressed in silver & black and under center for the first snap of the season, it will be a terrible disappointment.  I've decided to pick one QB on the current roster, one who might be acquired via trade and one who might be drafted.

UPDATE: Let me clarify my position a bit.  If I were GM, I'd call the Redskins about Campbell and then draft Trent Williams or Bryan Bulaga with the #8 pick.  That being said, I'm arguing in favor of Clausen in the comments simply because many people seem to think it'd be a bad idea.  That's what I don't get.  I think it'd be a GOOD idea, just not the BEST idea.  Hope that clears things up somewhat!

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1. Bruce Gradkowski - Opinions differ in Raider Nation about Grads.  Some love him, others don't see the big deal.  I take a middle course.  Certainly Gradkowski is no overwhelming pure talent.  He doesn't have huge arm strength, isn't terribly tall and has average athleticism.  That being said, he has good accuracy and a high football IQ.  His work ethic is second to none and he's a fiery leader in the huddle.  Stop and think for a second:  When was the last time the Raiders had a QB that the rest of the team would be willing to storm the gates of hell with?  Rich Gannon.  None of the has-beens (Collins, Culpepper) and never-weres (McCown, Walter) who have been fobbed off on Raider Nation in recent years has been an inspirational presence.  Gradkowski is, or soon can be, that guy.

Can Gradkowski ever be a "franchise" quarterback in the Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, or Drew Brees mold?  Doubtful at best.  But if the Raiders can build a good defense and improve the O-line, can they go far under Grads?  Absolutely.  Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl.  The Bears got to one under Rex Grossman. The Panthers made it under Jake Delhomme.  Gradkowski is, or can be (and with his work ethic and accuracy, don't bet against him), better than any of them. 

After Cable finally had enough of Russell's ineptness last year, the offense experienced a notable upsurge under Grads.  He lead them to two highly improbable wins.  They were within 3 points of Washington and looked to be driving for another score when he went down with injury.  At the very least, Gradkowski has earned the right to be a serious competitor for the starting job. 


Besides, if it comes down to him or Russell, who would you want to see?  Thought so.

 

2. Jason Campbell - Campbell, a 2005 1st round pick, has had his share of struggles over the years.  But how many of them are truly his fault?  He has been the full time starter for four years now in the one team that rivals ours in terms of organizational instability and chaos.  Despite this, he has improved his numbers every single year, in completion percentage, yards, touchdowns and rating. Indeed, last year was his best as a starter, despite being on a terrible team and playing behind a banged up offensive line that allowed 43 sacks.  Let's look:

64.5% completion, 3618 yards, 20 TD, 15 INT, 86.4 overall rating.

Can anyone here honestly deny that if JaMarcus Russell had put up those numbers in 2009, we would've been at least 8-8, if not 9-7 and maybe pushing for a playoff spot?

As I said, Campbell has improved every year.  He has a strong arm.  Right now, his trade value is low, since the Redskins are obviously going with McNabb.  He can be had on the cheap and would instantly be the best QB on the roster.  I have no doubts he'd be ready and willing to work his ass off to prove his detractors in Washington wrong and succeed in Oakland.

Rumor has it the Redskins would be willing to accept something as low as a 4th round pick.  Given all this, it would be no bad decision to pull the trigger on a trade and might even be one of the best decisions the franchise has made in years.  It's not unlikely the 'Skins would be willing to take something like a 5th and 7th rounder.  Given everything Campbell can bring to the team, why not?  At the least, I hope Davis is seriously mulling the possibility.

 

3. Jimmy Clausen - If no QB can be had via trade or free agency (just say no to Marc Bulger and Sage Rosenfels, Al!) and Davis doesn't have confidence in Grads or JaMarcus, then that leaves one possibility:  the draft.  There is a quarterback coming out this year that has significant experience in a pro style offense, who has all the physical and mental tools a franchise QB needs and who just might be available when the Raiders are on the clock in the first round:  Jimmy Clausen.

I recently represented the Raiders in a mock draft on SB Nation's "Mocking the Draft" site.  I decided to draft Clausen.  I'll copy and paste my explanation for your edification:

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I can hear a chorus of people right now:  "Al Davis would never draft Jimmy Clausen!"

Oh really?

First, let's all be honest:  no one really knows what Al Davis is going to do except Al himself.  All people like us can do is use semi-informed conjecture and speculation.  So...let's speculate.

Consider this from Yahoo Sports' Michael Silver: (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-thegameface040210)

"'He might be the most accurate thrower in the draft,” said a personnel executive for one AFC team. “I mean, he’s pinpoint accurate. He’d be a great West Coast [Offense] guy.'"

It's worth noting that recently hired Raiders offensive co-ordinator Hue Jackson is an expert in the West Coast offense AND has experience molding a talented young quarterback in Joe Flacco.

But, Al doesn't like the WCO, you say?  Silver has more:

"A front-office executive for another AFC team had a different take: 'He can throw the ball downfield. He’s the perfect Raiders quarterback, what Al [Davis] has been dreaming about for years.'"

Boom.

Also spare me complaints Clausen isn't built like a Davis QB.  He goes about 6'2-6'3", 220lbs.  He has a gunslinger's mentality at times. Know who that sounds like to me?  Kenny Stabler and Jim Plunkett.

What about the belief that Davis is determined, come hell or high water, to make something out of JaMarcus Russell?  I thought this too, until recently. But things I'm reading tend to point to the fact that Davis has just about reached his breaking point with his former prize pick.  Nothing comes out of Raiderland without Davis' approval.  He wouldn't let out the information that he was looking into trading for McNabb or even Sage Rosenfels unless he was pretty sure Russell was done.  Russell, depending on who you believe, showed up for workouts weighing in between 270 and 290.  Either one is too heavy; by all accounts the Raiders wanted him at 260 MINIMUM.  Davis' financial commitment to Russell is almost up.  He owes him 3 million more guaranteed and that's it.  At this point, that's a small enough price to pay to get rid of an anchor around the franchise in case the cap comes back next year.

Clausen is the anti-Russell.  He has accuracy and pocket presence, two things Russell notoriously lacks.  Most importantly, he love s football.  One scouting report describes him as a "film room rat."  In meeting with Jon Gruden, Silver notes that Gruden was "wowed by Clausen’s ability to recognize plays they watched together on film and replicate them on the chalkboard."  Think Russell could do that? Clausen has a fiery demeanor on the field.  Russell is notoriously lackadaisical in the huddle. Clausen has spent 3 years in college playing in a system that requires him to read the whole field.  Russell struggles to read half the field. I could go on, but you get the point.

In summation:  The Raiders neeed a quarterback.  Jimmy Clausen will likely be available at #8.  I'll give the final word to Tim Kawakami, who's spent years covering the Raiders:

"I wonder what Al does if Clausen–a big-armed Notre Dame guy and Al has a fondness for those things–slips to his slot at 8? For curiosity’s sake, I hope Clausen is there when Al’s picking.

Then let’s see what happens."

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The Clausen hate out there is weird and to me entirely unfounded.  I don't see how a guy who has experience in a pro style offense, whose mechanics are almost flawless, who has pinpoint accuracy, a good arm and the demeanor to command attention in the huddle can be so denigrated in certain quarters. Allow me to direct your attention to this article that does a masterful job of disposing of all the stupid anti-Clausen arguments floating around.  It's very long, but worth your time and quite enlightening.  At the least, scroll down and just read the conclusion; it's like one or two paragraphs.

 

So there you have it:  If one of the 3 above candidates are under center on opening day and the holes along the offensive & defensive lines are filled in the draft, then Raider Nation at last has real reason for hope that the devastating losing cycle of the past seven years will be broken in 2010. 

Poll
Who would you like to see as our opening day starting QB?
Bruce Gradkowski
84 votes
JaMarcus Russell
9 votes
Charlie Frye
0 votes
Jason Campbell
41 votes
Marc Bulger
6 votes
Sage Rosenfels
1 votes
Jimmy Clausen
39 votes
Other (state who and why in the comments)
4 votes

184 votes | Poll has closed

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I voted for Campbell

As big a Clausen fan as I am, trading for Campbell on the cheap and drafting a talented lineman in round 1 would be the safer and probably better way to go

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Apr 6, 2010 9:47 AM PDT reply actions  

well I could have used your Clausen support when I posted on this blog about us drafting him a few days ago. I would say about 85% of the people on here thought I was smokin the ganja. The good thing about Cambell is that he is young and we probalbly wouldn’t have to give up much for him. Love Bruce, but he is a back up to me.

If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you.

by Parental Advisory on Apr 6, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hahahah, sorry about that

Been absent from here for a while. Clausen will be awesome, I truly believe.

I worry that Bruce is ultimately just an ace backup rather than a starter, but if Campbell or Clausen can’t be had, then he’s easily the best realistic choice.

I have a hard time believing the ’Skins will be able to extract much of anything for Campbell, so I figure, why not?

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Apr 6, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Heh

I’d love to see them draft Clausen and finally send Russell packing. If Hacket could bring Clausen around gradually rather than him being thrown out there right away, who knows what the guy could accomplish.

by rightnasty on Apr 7, 2010 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kiffin

it’s a tough pill for AD to take – Kiffin was right about JR. Horrible draft pick at #1. Also, the defense is too passive and need blitz and zone 2 coverage. If he can swallow that pill, Campbell is the best bet. Problem is his contract. It would need to be extended for at least 2 more years to make it work. Does he go back and draft a rookie QB? We’re simply not good at it. Campbell got his training somewhere else, now he’s on track to take it to the next level. Bruce will make the perfect back up. If Bruce beats him out then Campbell can make the perfect backup. Can’t go wrong for a reasonable pick.

by raiders4liffe on Apr 6, 2010 10:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Has to be a Broncos or Chiefs fan who stopped by

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Apr 6, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

xville

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Apr 6, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Maybe Michael Y too.

Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Apr 7, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was wondering what the 3 people were on when they voted for JawannabeinVegas Russell.

by Walker Wallace on Apr 6, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

No Clausen.

We are without the luxury of a 1st rounder next year (Seymour?). I’d much rather see us go with a can’t miss in the 1st 2 rounds this year. Clausen is a a gamble. We need some picks that can contribute NOW. Seymour and Nnamdi (our defensive cornerstones) aren’t getting any younger. I’d like to make it out of the 1st 2 rounds with a top 5 offensive tackle and Rolando McClain (a QB on defense). Package Morrison to get it done.

by golfswithglock on Apr 6, 2010 10:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Unless we're switching to a 3-4..

…which we aren’t, no McClain, please. Don’t see him holding up as a 4-3 MLB.

OT (Trent Williams, Bryan Bulaga, Bruce Campbell), DT (Dan Williams) or QB (Clausen) at #8. Anything else would be a bit of a waste.

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Apr 6, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Really?

I think he’d fit the mold as MLB just fine. 1st I’ve heard say anything otherwise.

by golfswithglock on Apr 6, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong, I think he'd be a perfectly adequate 4-3 MLB

But he’d be an elite 3-4 and there’s no sense using a top 10 pick on a guy who you just think will be pretty good, especially when there are critical holes to fill elsewhere.

McClain will be good wherever he goes, but his value as a 4-3 guy is lower than #8.

Here’s a couple notes from scouting reports I dug up (Walter Football and NFLDraftScout):

“Questionable 4-3 inside linebacker….I really don’t think McClain is a 4-3 inside linebacker. The speed and lateral range just isn’t there for me, and I think he would be exposed because he will overpursue gaps”

and

“McClain’s accomplishments don’t override concerns some evaluators have about his transition from Nick Saban’s highly aggressive 3-4 scheme to the NFL. McClain was protected in the Alabama scheme by 365-pound nose guard Terrance Cody, who tied up blockers up front. McClain’s instincts mask his lack of elite speed and there are concerns about how he’ll be able to hold up in coverage.”

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Apr 6, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gotcha

I hear his IQ is off the charts. Be nice to have a vocal/phsyical leader out there.

by golfswithglock on Apr 6, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Totally agreed there

Fortunately there are a lot of good mid round ILBs available in this draft: Sean Lee, Phillip Dillard, Jamar Chaney and Donald Butler all come to mind. At least 1 will be there in round 3 or 4.

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Apr 6, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow.

Staggering input. Thanks.

by golfswithglock on Apr 6, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

your the one that made the stupid comment not me.

If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you.

by Parental Advisory on Apr 6, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

?

What was my stupid comment?

“I’d much rather see us go with a can’t miss in the 1st 2 rounds this year. Clausen is a a gamble. We need some picks that can contribute NOW”

Yours was:

“anyone you draft is a gamble, no matter what position”

Now that’s clown shoe stupid.

by golfswithglock on Apr 6, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I dunno, seems like a sensible statement to me

There are no truly sure things in the draft.

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Apr 6, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

well then why aren’t you a scout with your so called can’t miss picks? Is stupidity hereditary in your family?

If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you.

by Parental Advisory on Apr 7, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure there is

Calvin Johnson was can’t miss. And God himself, Mr. Vincent “I ain’t no goddamn charger” Jackson. Haha.

by golfswithglock on Apr 7, 2010 4:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the fact we have no first rounder next year

Is even more reason to draft clausen because if Bruce fails we will not be able to get a first round qb talent and will be scraping the free agent barrel again

"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell

"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour

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You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'

by Ozraider on Apr 6, 2010 9:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Interesting point

And Clausen is a good choice considering he was in a Charlie Weis pro-style offense.

Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death

by spec on Apr 6, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very good point

And one I hadn’t even thought of

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Apr 7, 2010 5:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

More are seeing the light !

you are excactly right my freind. We can trade our second pick for Gaithers.

If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you.

by Parental Advisory on Apr 7, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aaron Curry, Jerod Mayo, Patrick Willis. Lately all the top LBs drafted have emerged as immediate performers. I doubt McClain will be much different.

by golfswithglock on Apr 6, 2010 11:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Sorry, But who the FUCK chose you to draft? I saw no poll on here asking for our opinion.

You just go off and pick a Jimmy Clausen because your a fan? WTF! I gurantee that Joe Haden, Mike Iupati, Trent Williams or even Brian Price were still on the board. But nooooo. You chose another QB. Do you know how bad thats gonna turn out when Jimmy “Douchebag” Clausen holds out for half the year. It’d be JaMarcus all over again. Yay!

In Bruce We Trust

by Remix. on Apr 6, 2010 11:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Because I hang out at MTD a lot and I volunteered

I’d taken Trent Williams in the previous one we did. But he was actually drafted in this one, so I figured “Why the hell not” and took Clausen.

And I did it for much more reason than because I’m a fan. I did it because Clausen can (and I think will) be a true franchise QB and such a guy be pretty useful in Oakland right about now.

And while I’m at it: Brian Price or Mike Iupati at #8? What are you smoking, exactly and can I have some?

Wouldn’t have a big problem with Haden, except that that does nothing to fix the O-line, D-line or QB spots. At least Haden is a legitimate top 10 pick, unlike the other two.

Finally, your crystal ball that allows yout o see into the future that says Clausen will hold out wherever he’s drafted must be pretty awesome. Can I have the winning lotto numbers? And do you have any real arguments against Clausen? Because “douchebag” isn’t one.

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Apr 6, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

There are so many more glaring needs than QB though!

Bruce Gradkowski proved he deserves a shot. He’s been in Oakland most of this offseason working his ass off. And if Oakland drafts some QB, his effort will be foiled.
 
bq.And while I’m at it: Brian Price or Mike Iupati at #8? What are you smoking, exactly and can I have some?

Well, I quit smoking for one haha And Mike Iupati would be a great pick. He fills one of our needs. ( OG)

bq.Finally, your crystal ball that allows yout o see into the future that says Clausen will hold out wherever he’s drafted must be pretty awesome. Can I have the winning lotto numbers? And do you have any real arguments against Clausen? Because "douchebag" isn’t one.

My “real” arguement is that Oakland has many many more needs other than QB. OT/OG/ILB/CB…Then QB. And Clausen is a known douchebag. And part of being a douche, is being arrogant. And arrogance is when you think your better than you really are. So when Oakland offers him #8 money. He’ll ask for # 1 money. Cause he thinks he’s hot shit.

In Bruce We Trust

by Remix. on Apr 6, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I will agree Grads deserves to participate in a real competition

But “deserve” and “hard work” don’t necessarily translate to success. As I said above, I think if anyone can, he can. But at the same time, it’s difficult not to argue that, for instance, bringing Jason Campbell in is a bad idea. Campbell is a better and more proven guy than Grads. Have them both go head to head and then pick the best. Don’t want to just “give” Gradkowski a shot because he’s a good guy.

Iupati fills a need but he’s a HUGE reach at #8. Guards just aren’t top 10 picks and I also question Iupati’s pass blocking skills. Especially when guys like John Jerry, Mike Johnson, Mitch Petrus, Marshall Newhouse and Brandon Carter will all be available in mid rounds.

And again, whether Clausen is a douche or not, you’re making a quite a leap to assume that means he’d demand #1 money.

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Apr 6, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pass Blocking Skills? Since when do we have a New England style offense?

He’s a beast run blocker, and were a great running team. I’ve been high on Mike Johnson for a while, Hes very versatile and another good run blocker. But Im worried about his footwork and upperbody work. Brandon Carter would be a nice in the 6th Rd.

In Bruce We Trust

by Remix. on Apr 6, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

All the run blocking world doesn't help

if the other team’s tackle blows by your guard and pancakes your QB.

I repeat: this is a pass first league now and it becomes that way more every year. Even in Baltimore, with two outstanding running backs, Hue Jackson utilized a lot of passing. He had Joe Flacco. I’d sure like to get a g uy like that. Bruce might be (obviously different physically, but I mean in the sense of a clear cut #1) but I’m not convinced just yet.

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Apr 7, 2010 5:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Iupati is a "start now" RG and a future left or right tackle

He’s not just a guard he’s the best guard to come around in a long time. He’s an aggressive “blow you off the line” run blocker. And god knows we need that..He still needs a little work on pass blocking, but he learns fast and is a hard worker. If the other teams “D” respects our run game they can’t just “pin their ears” and come after our QB. It’ will help who ever our starting QB is.
He’s not as big a reach as you think.

by rambis64 on Apr 6, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

+ 1

If we draft only Iupati for the line it would help tremendously. Satele or Morris would play better and Gallery would pick up his play as well saying nothing of Mario, Langston and the Khalif – who knows. Consider Asomugah’s influence on Branch, Huff, Mitchell and Johnson. But this time it would be the kid who makes the vets play up to him.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 6, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

there's a reason why this guy is projected so high, and that's because he's an immediate difference maker

with fewer question marks than maybe some of the guys going before him; I don’t care what the history is of taking guards, because this guys is going early in the first round, if not to us, then soon after, maybe even before.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Apr 6, 2010 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Iupati as a future LT?

My head hurts.

He’s a guard. An excellent guard, but a guard. MAYBE right tackle.

If the Raiders would trade back to 18 or 28 instead of 8 and take Iupati, you wouldn’t hear me say peep. But Iupati is not that much better than some of the other round 2/3 guard prospects to justify a top 10 pick.

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Apr 7, 2010 6:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Saffold isn't mean / fierce and Ducasse only "flashes mean streak" , same goes for John Jerry and

Jon Asamoah. Only Iupati is mean to the bone. That’s a desirable quality in a lineman, cf. HOF former Raiders Bob Brown and Gene Upshaw (mean on the field for 30 full minutes the O is playing)

by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 7, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think you are forgetting

Bruce is work hard becuase he had Knee surgery on both knees. I think even if we get all these wholes fix I don’t Bruce can lead us to 8-8. We would be just like the Viking before they got Brett Favre. except we won’t make the playoffs. A good QB will make AL Davis get all those things

by Micheal Y on Apr 6, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh my god man
Bruce is work hard becuase he had Knee surgery on both knees.

don’t you ever check your facts. He didn’t have surgery you tool. They were MCL injuries. They don’t require surgery. Really stop. You can’t be taken seriously if you can’t check your facts. First saying Hackett was the QB coach @ Oakland for the last 5 years, and now getting your facts wrong about the guy you hate. If you’re going to argue, let me introduce to this site for information.

We would be just like the Viking before they got Brett Favre. except we won’t make the playoffs

so we’d be like the Vikings, but different?

A good QB will make AL Davis get all those things

WHAT!? What the fuck kind of logic is that? Now you’re REALLY stretching to make a everything fit your hatred for Gradkowski. Really. Stop.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Apr 6, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who cares....

It’s a fricking mock draft…..god damn, calm the hell down!

by BlackHole77 on Apr 6, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

If it would make you see more clearly, Remix give him a few of your cubans

“Brian Price or Mike Iupati at #8? What are you smoking, exactly and can I have some?”

Price or Iupati would do more for this team during 2010 and 2011 than Clausen ever could.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 6, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

GTF outta here with all that qb nonsense in the first round, por favor.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Apr 6, 2010 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, who needs a quarterback

in a quarterback driven league! What nonsense!

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Apr 7, 2010 6:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Didn't say that; it's referring to the shitty 1st round crop

but time will show that.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Apr 7, 2010 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry about the sarcasm

It’s early and I hadn’t had coffee

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Apr 7, 2010 6:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm the same way. But the question remains, "who will help us most in 2010?" And Clausen won't help us

for at least one full year. If we played him sooner he’d do more harm than good. With a dynamic DT the LB play would improve and the O would get their hands on the ball more. Grad & his WRs are on a steep improvement curve that I’m looking forward to watch and see just how high they get.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 7, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

According to my calculations QB is the 20th most important position on the feild.

If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you.

by Parental Advisory on Apr 7, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's way too low for a QB.

A QB is the leader of the offense. He should be in the top 5 most important positions.

by patriotguy2 on Apr 7, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Price is strictly a 3 technique

We already have Kelly and Bryant. Price might turn out to be better than either, but he’s also not a top 10 talent. What we need is a big beefy 1 technique that, unlike Gerard Warren, actually gives good effort.

Iupati would be a help, no doubt, but if you’re really going to sit here and say a freaking guard will be of more help than a potential franchise QB, then I don’t even know what else to say to you.

Wouldn’t you like to have a guy like Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Matt Stafford or Mark Sanchez right now? I sure would. Clausen should be at least as good as any of them.

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Apr 7, 2010 5:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mock me for this, I expect someone will, but I prefer Dan LeFevour to Jimmy Clausen. As for the others (except Bradford), LeFevour

will blow away colt mcCoy, Tiebow, Pike and Jarrett Brown in his NFL accomplishments. He is a complete QB, super savvy, strong arm and perfect mechanics, 4 years of pro-set experience, runs like a HB, and has the highest football IQ in the draft.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 7, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like LeFevour too

My top 5 QBs are

Clausen
Bradford
LeFevour
Tebow
Everyone else

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Apr 7, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Me too. I like Lefevour better than any of these 1st rounders

but perhaps it’s because he’s projected much later than the others that influences my bias…

Nah, I just like him better.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Apr 7, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thats so True.

I would much rather trade for a QB

by Micheal Y on Apr 6, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

serious question. who was the last white guy drafted that held out for more money?

If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you.

by Parental Advisory on Apr 7, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

don't know about the money

but Eli pulled a John Elway, dictacting where to play crap. Ok San Diego blows but still, you get drafted that high, you thank everyone and wear the shirt on draft day and don’t diss the city.

by raiders4liffe on Apr 8, 2010 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree

“Douchebag” and “Fuck your team” are solid counterpoints in my book.

by golfswithglock on Apr 6, 2010 11:37 AM PDT reply actions  

Hahahahahahah

“Fuck your team it’s full of douchebags” is always nice to use when arguing with fans of other AFC west teams

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Apr 6, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hell yeah.

Let’s find a donkey fan and beat him like he stole something.

by golfswithglock on Apr 6, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

+10000000

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Apr 6, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Apr 7, 2010 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Neither Bradford nor Clausen

would have any chance to develop in this organization as it stands. I like Hue Jackson, but how long is he going to be here? Unless Al committs to a coach and system, drafting a QB is a wasted pick.

I’ve never been a huge fan of Clausen’s anyway. We have more pressing needs along the lines, and I would prefer we address those in rounds one and two. We could put the second coming of Otto Graham at QB, but if you can’t protect him you’re fooked. We’ve gone skill position the past three years in rd 1, and we still suck. Meanwhile guys like Joe Thomas, Eugene Monroe, Michael Oher, etc were on the board and have developed into good OLs…

by transparent58 on Apr 6, 2010 11:39 AM PDT reply actions  

It's a fair point you make

About where we are organizationally in terms of giving a QB a fair chance to succeed. If I had my way, we would’ve drafted Joe Thomas in 2007 or Michael Oher last year. Alas…

The more I think about it, the more I decide that it has to be one of 5 guys in the following order: 1) Trent Williams 2) Bryan Bulaga 3) Jimmy Clausen 4) Dan Williams 5) Bruce Campbell. Anyone else and I’ll be mighty pissed.

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Apr 6, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Swap Bulaga for Williams, and I'm with you

There’s no continuity to develop Clausen. QB isn’t that pressing a need. If they draft him at 8 I’ll be pissed. Not as pissed as DHB last year, but pissed. Take the best available OL or DT in rds 1 and 2. If Angerer is around in the 3rd I’ll be sooper pumped.

I would have been cool with Calvin Johnson in 07, too…

by transparent58 on Apr 6, 2010 11:50 AM PDT reply actions  

Disagree that QB isn't a pressing need...

…but agreed that the trenches are bigger ones.

Angerer in the 3rd would be just fine by me.

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Apr 6, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess I'm just not sold on Clausen

Being worth a top 10 pick.

QB is a need, but not as pressing as our lines. If hell freezes over and Shanny trades with Al I wouldn’t hate having Campbell, but I’d rather look for a developmental QB in 4th or 5th Rd…

by transparent58 on Apr 6, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know

QBs from ND have always been tremendous disappointments (HIYO!) Forget finding an answer at QB. Let’s get back to running the damn ball. 1st pick OLINE. Maybe even ring Folzell. Getting Cable more time with as position coach will help alot too.

by golfswithglock on Apr 6, 2010 11:52 AM PDT reply actions  

AHEM

Joe Montana was pretty good…though he was a 9er

by transparent58 on Apr 6, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Joe wasn't highly touted

out of ND. Therefore no disappointment.
Joe was perfect for the Bill Walsh west coast offense. He would have failed in almost any other situation.

by rambis64 on Apr 6, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh god, not Flozell

His ship has sailed.

The problem is that the NFL has become a QB-oriented, pass first league. You can’t really just depend on running the ball anymore.

Ultimately, though I agree with you. Drafting O-line first makes the most sense.

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Apr 6, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Flozell

After watching last year, our O-line need some depth. i ain’t saying start him. Our boys dropped like flies last year.

by golfswithglock on Apr 6, 2010 12:00 PM PDT reply actions  

True enough

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Apr 6, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Big plans

I’m gonna go bold and say that if Gallery stays healthy, he makes pro-bowl next year. Ditto for Sebas. Ric Flair says WOOO. And so do I. RRRAIDERS. WOOO!

by golfswithglock on Apr 6, 2010 12:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Hell yes!

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Apr 6, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dammit

Now I’m fired up. Time to crank the “America’s Game” RRRAIDERS edition up. I usually save that for game days to keep suicide from rearing it’s ugly head. Ah the good old days.

by golfswithglock on Apr 6, 2010 12:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Watched the NFL Network's replay of the "Ghost to the Post" game the other day

Made me want to cry. What a team.

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Apr 6, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I record them on DVR every time they come on

and watch them over and over again. The “Ghost to the Post.” “The Sea of Hands.” Hell, I even had to watch “The Tuck Rule.”

Dave Casper is awesome in that NFL special, and Madden is smoking on the sidelines! Classic!

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Apr 9, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

This would be my solution too

Then:

Draft an Olineman in Round 1 (Trent Williams or Bryan Bulaga)

Draft a Dlineman in round 2 (Cam Thomas, Terrence Cody, Linval Joseph)

Then with our 6 picks in rounds 3-7, grab an ILB, a guard, a CB, a DE, a FB and a WR and we’ll be in business.

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Apr 6, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love it!

Except for WR.. We have 4 WR’s. Chaz, Darrius, Louis, and Johnnie Lee. Why add another? Id replace that last pick with someone who excells on Special Teams

In Bruce We Trust

by Remix. on Apr 6, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ideally the WR would be a return specialist

It also never hurts to have 5 WRs

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Apr 6, 2010 2:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Awesome!

That’s exactly what they should do. First 2 rounds we have to get an OT and DT, preferably two of the guys you said. I like the idea of grabbing an ILB in the 3rd because it’s starting to look like the Raiders will go with a linabcaker rotation according to the latest moves. Kimbley was brought in and they said he will play OLB. That gives us 3 solid OLB’s in Howard (he’ll be back foresure), Wimbley, and Scott (he played there most of last year, and with the emergence of Shaughnessy, I think Scott will stick there). They seem like they aren’t sold on Morrison being the every down guy at MLB, based on the 3rd round tender and bringing back Ricky Brown. I could see them go with a guy like Jamar Chaney or Brandon Spikes, and have that guy rotate inside with Morrison. We could definitely use another guard who can start (Mitch Petrus, Mike Johnson, Zane Beadles). A cornerback that could potentially start oppposite Nnamdi would be awesome in (Kevin Thomas, Perrish Cox, Walter McFadden). A solid DE (Lindsey Witten, Kevin Basped, George Johnson). A fullback (Rashawn Jackson, John Conner). A WR/KR with our last pick (David Getts, Kyle Williams, Kelton Tindal). I think a draft like that and a move like acquiring Campbell could really make this team better moving forward.

by duballers23 on Apr 6, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

why draft a dlineman?

fucking al just signed another reject that HE drafted and cut. straight out of the UFL!yayyyyy
maybe denny green thinks he needs another shot at the pros and gave al a jinggle? we could only be so lucky al picks any type of lineman 8th!

by rodeosnake12 on Apr 6, 2010 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

now, you're talking.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Apr 6, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

IF the Redskins only want a 3rd or 4th I would give it to them. For everyone who says Bruce deserves a shot without beating a quality QB are crazy. Only top level QB earn the right not to be challeged. If Bruce can beat a Jason Campbell or who anyone else yeah then he should start. I don’t think beating Russell qualifies you as a start.

by Micheal Y on Apr 6, 2010 4:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Alot of us are saying that. I want to see competetion, Each guy pushing each other for the job.

Problem is, Jason is looking for a place to be the starter hands down. No competetion. No hard Work. He wants the job handed to him. So if he comes in, and gets his ass handed to him by Radkowksi, then he’ll be a wasted 4th Rd. pick.

In Bruce We Trust

by Remix. on Apr 6, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I Get What Your Saying..

Though I like Jason Campbell coming in and im kinda hoping he does what if by some MIRACLE we end up with 3 solid QB’s.? Gradowski ends up being the start we believe he would be, Russell performs a miracle and value’s the team over McDonalds, and Campbell is a pretty good starter as is… been wondering that… then what would happen next.?

by ButtMunch on Apr 6, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

btw im not a Russell supporter

I used to be at the begining of last season… until after the Jets game…
im just trying to see the optimistic side of our QB situation.

by ButtMunch on Apr 6, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

russell gave grad a shot last preseason

thats the only time he played well last year was in the pre. plus he finished decent in 08 so i think grad had some comp. and just blew him out of the water. russell is a puke, bruce already proved he can play agaisnt GOOD teams, that in it self was competition in itself. bruce is a younger brees/garcia in so many ways and will run with it if he gets the chance to be a full time starter. to succeed you have to want it, and this guy wants it more than anybody in the league, write it down.

by rodeosnake12 on Apr 6, 2010 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

Though at this point comparing him to a younger Brees may still be a stretch.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Apr 6, 2010 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

well their build, style of play

weaker yet still effective arms, brains and demand for respect and perfection from their fellow players, is what im comparing him to brees. yes he has a ways to be in that vicinity of a brees.

by rodeosnake12 on Apr 6, 2010 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

what about Jeff Garcia.?

same number… same style of play to me…

by ButtMunch on Apr 6, 2010 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

you didnt read my post very close.

i compared him to brees/garcia. yes they are very similar and garcia is grads numero uno icon. i think bruce has more upside than garcia to boot!

by rodeosnake12 on Apr 6, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I understand. Sorry. My fault.

I made the connection to talent over style.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Apr 7, 2010 4:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

For Al to bring in any other QB

Two things would have to happen.
1. Al would have to admit his “JaMarcus” mistake.
2. JaFatass would have to be cut.

by rambis64 on Apr 6, 2010 4:57 PM PDT reply actions  

The more i think about it the more i like the idea of drafting Clausen

Logic screams to me not to draft a QB but I just think he is going to be a star QB in the league. If we did draft Clausen i think we would need to trade up for another mid to late first rounder (maybe a package including Huff) and hopefully still be able take Iupati / McLain or whichever OT falls take Cody/campbell in the second and hopefully Angerer is there in the third.

Taking Clausen will still give Bruce an opportunity to start and we can sit Jimmy for a year and see how Bruce goes. I would not be saying this for any other QB that has come in in recent years (sanchez/flacco etc) but i just like Clausen a lot and think he will be a star.

So what do people think of this mock?
Round 1: Jimmy Clausen
Round 1 (package with huff): Mike Iupati
Round 2:Bruce Campbell
Round 3: Pat Angerer

Drafting Clausen will also mean JaMarcus will be cut, i would be very interested to see if he could find another job.

"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell

"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour

Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'

by Ozraider on Apr 6, 2010 4:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Bruce Campbell is unacceptable. Clausen won't be able to help us for at least a couple of years. I like Huff and we can

still get Iupati with the #8 pick or Bulaga (wish we could have both of them and overhaul Cable’s line. On that thought, I’ll take Clausen if it means JaCakeBowlLick & PunkinPants leave Oakland.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 6, 2010 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Campbell would be a good pick in the second round

there are also other options i would be happy with at this pick – Cody etc or best available corner. I guess my point is that we could draft Clausen and not miss out on other needs. I like Huff as well but we have mitchell and Routt was good in coverage AT SAFETY (not corner) last year and i think Huff’s value is as high as it can be right now.

The thing is as well we could take Baluga and trade up if Iupati falls with a huff package (another more than acceptable scenario imo) although I think having Iupati at LG will make Henderson a much better LT.

Part of the reason I like Clausen is that it will mean JaMarcus is out and i think Al genuinely wants to develop a young QB to be the QB of the raiders long after he is gone as part of his legacy.

"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell

"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour

Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'

by Ozraider on Apr 6, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree Campbell in the second

Don’t like Clausen at 8 but if he is there it could be good for Oakland shop the pick and trade down and pick up another 2nd.

The future is uncertain... and the end is always near. JMorrison

by S-n-B4life on Apr 6, 2010 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I've said in other posts

That I think trading down for extra picks would be smart in this draft.
I agree with saint…my head hurts.

"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell

"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour

Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'

by Ozraider on Apr 6, 2010 7:36 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'll add a "me too" to the "My head hurts"

It’s a nice problem to have, though, come draft day to have so many options you’re head spins.

Honestly, there’s so much talent in these first two rounds that it’s almost Al-proof.

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Apr 7, 2010 6:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree I think clausen has raider swagger

"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell

"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour

Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'

by Ozraider on Apr 6, 2010 7:30 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

You hit the nail on the head

We need to give Grads a year working in Hugh’s system . Our young recievers need an experienced quarterback like Bruce getting them the ball in open spaces.

"May the wind be at our back, here comes the Silver and Black "

by RUKidding on Apr 7, 2010 5:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Except

We heard similar glowing scout reports about Gallery too. He was a “can’t miss” pick as well.

by rightnasty on Apr 7, 2010 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome except for Clausen. Id rather take Haden or Buluga.

The Bruce Cambell idea is growing on me as long as he’s picked up in the 2nd. He should only be acquired if Iupati is nabbed in the 1st. I think a strong interior will increase the level of play on the exterior. Giving us time to develop Bruce into a super human destroying OT. He has the frame, speed and strength. Now just give him some time to learn that oh so crucial technique and you gotta good RT.

In Bruce We Trust

by Remix. on Apr 6, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

If were putting Bulger up

troy Smith should be there as well

The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience.

by dubzfan on Apr 6, 2010 5:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Nice post, Raybin...

but no more talk of drafting a qb in the 1st, please, Mkay?

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Apr 6, 2010 10:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Couldn't disagree more

Would I rather trade for Jason Campbell, let him and Grads duke it out and draft an OT with the #8 pick? Absolutely. Just wanna make that clear.

However, will I be upset if Clausen is taken? Absolutely not. I’ll be excited. (Provided they grab a guy like Roger Saffold or Jared Veldheer in the second)

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Apr 7, 2010 6:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell

"I'll be the guy on top of the Quarterback" - Richard Seymour

Here they come baby, Just win baby, Feel the storm of the cold autum wind baby
Its the Oakland Raiders, Get your mouthpiece
You in the black hole, With the black beast! - Ice Cube 'Raider Nation'

by Ozraider on Apr 7, 2010 6:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry, just not sold on Clausen, and I'll be straight, pissed off

it really has nothing to do with all the bad mouthing he’s getting. I just don’t think many of these guys are 1st round pick worthy.

I do, however, believe it’s absolutely possible Al has his eye on him, and that the Raiders could take him. If it does happen, then I hope you’re right about Veldheer, Saffold, or any other tackle that might turn out an actual upgrade.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Apr 7, 2010 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd be for starting Gradkowski if it were only

Cable running things.

With this new OC, I’m not so sure.

I’m worried that we didn’t get rid of more of our OL: Pears and Barnes, or at least one of them.

I’m worried about OL depth, and it looks like we’ll not be addressing that huge weakness.

by xville on Apr 6, 2010 10:28 PM PDT reply actions  

why, b/c we sent a scout to TCU to look at a 6th round OT? Or because we signed UFL DT former cut Raider?

these signs aren’t too favorable. Maybe Al is toying with the media and with us and we’ll be pleasantly shocked when the dust settles.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 6, 2010 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

about this old raider cooper fresh out of the UFL,

oakland is the only place where these kind become all pros. i guarantee denny green put this bug in ol al’s ear to give him another shot.

by rodeosnake12 on Apr 6, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Al's unpleasant to pleasant

shock ratio hasn’t been trending too favorably for the team for quite some time.

by xville on Apr 6, 2010 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

yea like over looked guys like shaugnessey, murphy, scott, schilens, and an undrafted dez bryant???

oh and grads will be on that list too. so define “quite some time” because al “ratio” in the late rounds the past 2 years have fit the mold of “these kind of players become all-pros” in my post. does jrussell fit in their xville?

by rodeosnake12 on Apr 6, 2010 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or like Tommy K, eh?

Now there is a chunk of change spent well.

What are Dez Bryant’s numbers that make him so great?

Or schilens?

by xville on Apr 7, 2010 2:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

that was his rookie season

and he didn’t start in any game until the 12 game of the week, which was fewer than the amount of games he started last year.

And he still did pretty well in those games with jamarcus behind center. If healthy, and he starts every game, he should be able to get about 900+ yards with Grad as starting QB next year.

by patriotguy2 on Apr 7, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Some dude named Jamarcus throwing to him was the biggest problem

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by brhynno on Apr 7, 2010 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

He had 32 tackles and a forced fumble in limited spot duty last year

By contrast, Gerard Warren had 34 tackles and played over twice as many snaps.

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by Raybin on Apr 7, 2010 6:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

And Warren had

twice as many sacks.

But, how much is Kelly paid, and then consider his record with us over the years.

I’m just trying to ring out the visionary moves from delusion.

by xville on Apr 7, 2010 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

for the amount he is paid, yes, he should perform better.

But the DT spot on a 4-3 is designed to just clog up the middle, and tackle anyone who comes through there. Not so much as getting sacks. Kelly would do better at the there DT position, next to someone who is big and strong to take his spot(and who can stop the run in the middle, which I’m hoping to be a draft choice by the way).

by patriotguy2 on Apr 7, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

He should perform better?

For that kinda money he should be going through QB’s like pringles until the opposing coach gets his hand stuck in the tube grasping for pieces.

by xville on Apr 8, 2010 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

For the amoutn of money your boy Russell

is getting paid, he should be putting points on the game ever series.

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by mikesd1981 on Apr 8, 2010 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

so that's the argument you're going to use

so I guess you think it’s okay you’re boy is getting 60 some million guaranteed to throw picks and fumble the ball and miss the receivers?

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by mikesd1981 on Apr 9, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Grad.

he knows the system, has great intangibles on and off the field, his teammates believe in him, his teammates trust him, his teammates are motivated to ply better for him, etc.

Gard ftw.

by patriotguy2 on Apr 7, 2010 3:45 AM PDT reply actions  

but none of those make a good QB

(sarcasm)

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by mikesd1981 on Apr 7, 2010 4:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good points in Grad's favor, except

With Hue Jackson, it’s probably going to be a different system. But it might be one that suits him better, actually, because Jackson will bring some WCO elements that fit Gradkowski’s style better.

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by Raybin on Apr 7, 2010 6:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

the thing with Grad is that imo he performed substantially better

at the end of games when we were behind and he was in the shotgun with 3 and 4 wide outs and throwing down the field.

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by Ozraider on Apr 7, 2010 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

that should be a good thing.

He is above average when in pressure situations, can command the field better and adjust his WRs patterns to expose the secondary, and pretty much become a commander of his offense, which are all VERY good for QBs.

by patriotguy2 on Apr 7, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

yep definitely a good thing

"Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion of scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me." - Mike Mitchell

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by Ozraider on Apr 8, 2010 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

It may be a different system, but,

I’m sure that Jackson would try to tailor it to fit Gradkowski’s abilities as much as he can.

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by mikesd1981 on Apr 7, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

If it wasn't for SkALetor Gradkowski would be the starter going into training camp this year hands down.

Also you shouldn’t worry too much about him not being able to grasp Hue Jackson’s system since he was the QB for Joe Flacco who played at Delware. That’s not exactly a pro-ready system. The play-calling of the Ravens was similar to how ours is run when we aren’t playing the Browns. They run over 50% of the time & will allow him to pick plays he is comfortable with. He was a starter under Gruden in his complicated system in Tampa so I don’t think he is going to have many problems with Jackson’s.

by TAW on Apr 7, 2010 11:10 AM PDT reply actions  

But what does your intuition tell you?

Does it tell you that Al is going to hang on to Russell until his contract runs out, and then simply not re-sign him, rather than taking the bath? Not what I wish for, but what I suspect.

by rightnasty on Apr 7, 2010 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, Al has mellowed somewhat with age and Hugh Jackson and Cable working on him plus the film they have on the

3 QBs make it a high possibility that JR’s time is running out and bent on his present course of “weight gaining and no training” … he will not be the starter in August and may not even be around – depending on whether we pick up a QB later this month.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 7, 2010 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

In Bruce We Trust

by Remix. on Apr 8, 2010 9:14 AM PDT reply actions  

That. is. AWESOME.

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Apr 8, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice

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by Rated-R Superstar on Apr 8, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rick Mirer 2

No to all except possibly LeFevour. Grad should start by week 3 to give JR one last chance to get the utter crap sacked out of him. Maybe we draft Cody so Jallybelly isn’t the fattest guy on the team. But if we get Vlad the Impaler he absolutely has to grow a stache like Ben Davidson.

tatum, davidson, romanowski, wisniewski...LET'S GET NASTIER!!!!

by angelesoterica on Apr 9, 2010 3:53 AM PDT reply actions  

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