Cable's mindset: Playoffs and Championship
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 19, 2010 7:24 PM PDT
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The words of Raiders' HC Tom Cable, during an interview he gave today on the Bay Area's ‘sports leader', KNBR, leave little room for doubt that he is of one mind with Al Davis. Congratulations to Tom for controlling an interview that attempted to swerve to Oprahesq subject matter throughout.
Ecce the Man:
"I think that we have spent a lot of time in the last year and a half trying to turn this thing into a competitive team and we've done that. I think the guys in that locker room expect, from myself and this organization, No B.S."
"Let's go out and work hard and become champions and get ourselves into the playoffs. That's our goal now. That's it."
"What's necessary is for us to stay the course and become a playoff team. That's what we are about. Who is here doing, is here because they want to be here and they want to work and they want to do it right."
"We're always about competition. Really, we've talked about JaMarcus. Let's talk about something else. He's not here anymore. You can only beat a dead dog so many times. So let's move forward. We've got a good young team."
Good job, Tom! Way to keep focused, stay the course, and not let the media, the distractions, any asshole or any lawsuit interfere with your raison d'etre and, perhaps, destiny - to lead the Raiders into the playoffs and, God willing, to take us to another Championship.
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Catch 22 Poll
This poll is catch 22. Tom Cable won’t be around four years if the Raiders don’t get deep into the playoffs. Even if they do Cable may be traded for a fast WR and a six pack.
He wouldn't be dropped if we made the playoffs this season or, even (imo), broke even with an 8-8 ... but only w/ anything less
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 19, 2010 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Two Years
I think he only has a two year contract. You know how Al drives away coaches after about four years now (Chucky). How the heck did Madden stay around ten years other than he won almost every game?
by Mallard Davis on May 19, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
And now chucky is on tv instead of coaching. At least al got a bunch of picks. Tampa got nothing.
by Jake Sutton on May 19, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
playoffs in the next 2 years
Raiders and Chiefs will take over the AFC West after this season, both will be competing for a wild card this year.
"But my main problem with McClain is his lack of hunger – he clearly doesn’t lust for the kill" -Sons of Blanda
"I've been aware of McClain's downside for several months and posted on it - many here agree this guy's overrated." Sons of Blanda
"McClain isn't in the game the full 30 minutes, film shows he dogs it." Sons of Blanda
Same Thing
Dead Dog – JaMarcus Russell – Same Thing…
by Mallard Davis on May 19, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
He took charge of the interview. Isn't that what a HC does - dictate how the game is played?
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 19, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
And he did it without punching the interviewer in the face!
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on May 19, 2010 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
This is a huge year for Tom.
He has no excuses this year. I am not as concerned about the record as I am at seeing progress. Excluding a shit ton of injuries I want to see this young team playing better at the end of the year than at the beginning.
I also want to see more consistency. No more blow-out laced with horrible lapses on defense and offense. Give me these things, Tom and you earn yourself a 3 year contract in my book.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
I say yes.
I pretty much think that Tom Cable has earned every bit of rope he’s been given by Al Davis, and when he gets slack, he honestly does make the best of it. Honestly, we have no room to complain or doubt him yet. He’s done nothing but polish turds, and now he’s getting his own shot to sit on the pot. He’s building the team (seemingly) his way, and Al Davis is working with him, which I think is the first time we’ve seen such cooperation since (begrudginly) with Chucky. It’s just all around nice to see, and I do think he can lead us there. The needless shuffling of head coaches has become a part of the culture here, and it has to get booted by the wayside. Cable has formed his cabinet, and he’s gearing up for war this year. I would ideally like to see him get at least one more year after this one, barring a two win or less season,
'Like' my band. I mean, it'd be awesome if you did that.
... "barring a two win or less season" Wow, I appreciate Cable but another 5-11 or even 6-10 and he is finished here.
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 20, 2010 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Can't really argue with that.
But I’m an guy who appreciates a little continuity. I think sometimes we lay ridiculous expectations on people. I’d settle for being competitive like we were last year, or being on the brink. I understand that it’s a business, and that it isn’t likely, but I’d like to see him stick around even if this season isn’t exactly what we had all hoped for.
'Like' my band. I mean, it'd be awesome if you did that.
I'd have to disagree with you, if Oakland doesn't end up 7-9 or better, I think he SHOULD be fired..
In Bruce We Trust
Yooioh!
I think that’s partially because we’ve become so accustomed to seeing Al Davis and the Raiders cut the cord after one or one and a half bad seasons, let alone giving a guy three. I’d like to see them give him one more draft (without outside interference, like this one seemingly was) regardless of the outcome of this season (though expectations are unnecessarily high for a team that had 5 wins last year) and give him one last run at it. The problem right now is that the Raiders have been pulled in limbo by Al playing Chess with himself. He’s anxious to win one last championship (or two) before he dies that he hasn’t seen anything through in the last 8 years. A vote of confidence in a relatively new blood coach wouldn’t do him any harm at this rate. At least that’s how I feel.
'Like' my band. I mean, it'd be awesome if you did that.
I agree with expectations being too high, but wanting an 8-8 season isn't asking too much..
I mean, it was obvious that we were competitive last year, and were just misssing that “it” factor. And with the new additions of Jason Campbell, Rolando McClain, Hue Jackson and Lamarr Houston( I think he’ll make an impact), I hope we can improve within our division.
So, if Oakland doesn’t get to .500, I hope he gets fired. And if he gets fired, I hope Hue Jackson is granted the opportunity to be Head Coach.
In Bruce We Trust
Hmm..
I can’t argue with that, Jake. Again, it harkens back to my request for continuity. Hue Jackson would be continuity, and as a multi-racial dude, you’ll never hear me complain about a black guy getting a shot to run a team.
I guess I can’t complain about the desire for a .500 football team, I mean, hell, a couple of decent bounces our way last year, and we could have been .500 then.
'Like' my band. I mean, it'd be awesome if you did that.
8-8 is my threshold minimum for this year but "the desire" is for domination during regular season and playoffs
I can’t complain about the desire for a .500 football team
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 21, 2010 6:22 AM PDT up reply actions
the question is wrong
it should have been: will the Raiders ever win another championship as long as Al Davis has the ability to interfere?
And, the answer is “no”.
by Southfield_2001 on May 19, 2010 11:07 PM PDT reply actions
How does the Owner "interfere" with his team?
"But my main problem with McClain is his lack of hunger – he clearly doesn’t lust for the kill" -Sons of Blanda
"I've been aware of McClain's downside for several months and posted on it - many here agree this guy's overrated." Sons of Blanda
"McClain isn't in the game the full 30 minutes, film shows he dogs it." Sons of Blanda
It's not a question of interfering
An owner is mostly there to oversee a GM and his coaches doing their jobs. If they’re doing their jobs, he shouldn’t have a whole lot to do. But some owners insist on sticking their fingers into everything no matter what. “Interfere” is the wrong word. Micro-management is the problem. Davis, Snyder, Jerry Jones, etc.
BTW, to poster Jake...
Tampa did get something from bringing Gruden to Florida…a Super Bowl championship.
by Southfield_2001 on May 19, 2010 11:08 PM PDT reply actions
To poster what's your name:
I am replying to you via the reply option. It is super cool.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on May 20, 2010 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Nooner
I’d give newbies a break about the reply button. I still get tripped up on it. Sometimes you have to hit it twice. How about the Seahawks having/had “interest” in TO? The biggest problem with TO these days is his agent.
by Mallard Davis on May 20, 2010 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree about the break thing,
but my selective sympathy ran shallow when said newbies posted 2 shots at others.
TO in Seattle would be interesting. They need the offensive weapons. Probably wont work though. TO likes to go deep and Matt H struggles with the deep ball. TO drops passes and Matt H may have had more passes dropped than any QB ever! Of course maybe Charlie 3rd string White-something-or-other will be running the offense. I wouldn’t break in my new QB with TO. In a capless year the Seahawks should have a huge budget for 1 year contracts with their deep pockets owner. What do you think?
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on May 20, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, actually,
I only took a shot at one poster. And, it wasn’t really a shot – just a reminder that when Gruden went to Tampa Bay, Tampa became Super Bowl champions by kicking the living daylights out of Oakland.
The question about whether Cable can win in Oakland is largely up to whether Davis leaves the football decisions up to the people he hired to make the football decisions. Since he’s been constantly involved and the Raiders have badly sucked for six or seven years now, I’d say it’s a going concern (although if this off seasons moves are an indication, maybe he finally learned his lesson). The last years have been littered with badly thought out Al Davis hirings and firings and ill-conceived drafts and FA signings.
So, you can mock my reply by not using the reply button, but you didn’t dispute either of the points I raised. I’ll assume that’s because you agree they have some validity.
by Southfield_2001 on May 20, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I was referring to your shot at Al Davis, too.
I agree there is validity, especially with the Tampa Gruden issue.
And with Al, but I think he has progressed the last two season and it is hard to knock anything that has happened this offseason. It felt like a needless shot towards the man. The kind we get from trolls. Which prompted my sarcasm. Welcome to SB&P though. I hope we see some more posts and comments from you.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on May 20, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Al Davis has been constantly involved for the past 44 years and the vast majority of those years have been victorious
Since he’s been constantly involved and the Raiders have badly sucked for six or seven years…
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 20, 2010 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
You stopped your quote, too soon as he pinpointed the source of the recent problems.
I’d say it’s a going concern
I don’t think it’d shock anyone to hear Al has a going problem.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on May 20, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, comments like that don't help. Cheese, perhaps, or maybe foreign travel would harden the stool
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 20, 2010 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Is this considered PED for owners?
Let’s hope not.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on May 20, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Give Cable a shot
Tom Cable has run this team "under Al Davis’ terms. He doesn’t tell Al how to run the team. He suggests things and appeals to Al’s senseof ownership. Cable will have his shot along with the new coaching staff and hopefully (unlike Chucky) he won’t let it go to his head. That was Gruden’s downfall. Cable is working with the talent that he has instead of wining to Davis that they need a “New York Yankees” kind of team to win a championship. I give Cable his 2 years to make something and if he doesn’t expect the new offensive coordinator to take over. Davis and the rest of the team like what Cable is selling “OPTIMISM” the rest will fall on the coordinators and the players.
The cheifs might be dominant when they find a real QB instead of an “OVERRATED” one (CASSEL). It takes more than just good coaching to dominate in the NFL. The West is becoming a very tough division all around. But I hope to see the RAIDERS win it all.
becoming very tough?
There was a time when it was one of the best divisions in football, but it isn’t right now; it’s soft as Cheez-Whiz. Outside of San Diego the last few years, there has been nothing. There is hope, in both Oakland and KC, and Denver may or may not get it together under McDaniels, but until it shows, on the field, and in the W-L columns, it doesn’t count…
Failure builds character; success reveals it
As for Cable...
I wasn’t sold on him before, and still am not.
Before I worry about whether he can lead the team to a championship, I want to see if he can lead them to a non-losing record. If/when that happens, I’ll come back to this…
Failure builds character; success reveals it
Me neither
We’re really talking Super Bowl about a guy who got fired from the University of Idaho, and who know more about throwing women around then footballs? This would be more of that over-optimism that was being discussed in here the other day. In truth, he’s probably the biggest thing holding us back now.
That was my first thought last year
But the players seem to disagree, and they are the ones working with him everyday. I have a feeling he’s a better coach than he gets credit for, but only time will tell.
Tom Cable has a real chance to do something special, the Raiders have a squad now....
However, don’t expect it all to come together this year, look for great strides, the key is Coach has a chance to really mold this team into a winner…Finally, I feel as if the pieces are in place, for you guys that don’t like Campbell, with the right coaching he can be a great QB, we have Kyle in the fold with B Grad..We have something to build on..The Raiders get an A++ for their off season moves, something I can’t remember since we drafted Marcus Allen…Again, Coach Cable still has to prove himself, but now, he has some tools to really work with…Go Raiders!!!!
by Rodney Sacramento on May 20, 2010 10:09 AM PDT reply actions
We'll know soon enough, RodSac. With our run D tested week 1 and our pass defense in weeks 4 and 5 (Texans & StD)
By week 6 we’ll know whether or not TC is merely an interim “base camp” coach or the man to lead our assault on the summit.
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 20, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
There was enough last year...
to show improvement, but Cable held the team back with bone-headed moves.
If the team improves, because Cable has his hands off the offense and O-line, then the improvement may be more than just some new players. I expect 8-8, but I expected that last year, and saw it as attainable, even with the Russell starting the first 4 games. Even winning 6 games was a clear possibility, but Cable screwed the pooch on that too.
Yeah, he can motivate, and bring the team together, but so what? I’d rather have a coach the players can’t stand, that wins, than someone they lose with, but love…
Failure builds character; success reveals it
A team can't win with a guy they hate..You need to love your coach, your team, your owner and your fans..
In Bruce We Trust
Actually the Giants didn't love Tom Coughlin when they won their Super Bowl but they respected him.
Also he was on the verge of getting fired the year before but the management and ownership had patience. Same goes for this team. As long as Cable doesn’t let his own ego get in the way of playing time or trying to undermine play-calling then yes this team can get into the playoffs with him or any coach who has his head on straight. It’s up to Al to continue to work with his coach instead of in spite of him or undermining him. It always has been and will continue to be as long as he is on this planet living and breathing.
they can't...? lol
Tell that to Bill Parcells.
Maybe he wasn’t actually hated, but he was not liked either. Neither was Coughlin, as already pointed out. And not many seemd to actually like Lombardi, but they did respect the hell out of him.
Most of the those who are considered ‘players coaches’ have not won many Super Bowls. In the last 25 years, there have 5 coaches that could be considered such that have won it all (Walsh, Switzer, Vermeil, Dungy, and Tomlin).
Failure builds character; success reveals it
All we can ask for is improvement.
I winning season would prove Coach Cable worthy of being the head coach of the Raiders, considering we haven’t seen a winning season since 2002. I think new OC Hue Jackson will take this team to the next level. If Cable doesn’t take this Raiders team to at least 9-7, Jackson will be the next Raiders head coach.
Yes, But in two years or even maybe next year if we add to the pieces we have, then all positions will be filled. (through draft)
Two years realistically from now But will Al have patience?
The RaiderLaker
It's that damn going problem, huh?
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on May 20, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
He's 80 years old and isn't in the greatest of health...Sadly enough, his years are numbered???
In Bruce We Trust
I wouldn't worry about Al has Death tied up in litigation
it’ll take decades before they reach a settlement.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on May 20, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
He said he wants another ring before he passes, and I hope we can get him one.
Although, I am starting to think “Al Davis” will end up “Al Davis 2.0”. I believe Al will be the first person to put his heart and brain into a robot body..
In Bruce We Trust
I don't know...I'd take another wild card super bowl victory.
Rolando McClain is going to eat Kevin Kolb’s lunch in the Super Bowl!
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on May 22, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
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