Raiders Camp Battles- Offensive Line
by raiderfan21 on May 19, 2010 11:19 PM PDT
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PrintAdditions- Jared Veldheer OT, Bruce Campbell OL, Daniel Loper OG.
Lost- Cornell Green.
Loper played some games with the Lions and will be used for depth. If he couldn't start with the Lions he won't start for the Raiders.
Jared Veldheer
"Small-school standout Jared Veldheer to compete for time at offensive tackle. Though he dominated inferior competition in college, his impressive performance in pre-draft workouts showcased his immense potential as a pro". - NFL.com
"A small-school developmental guy who has as much upside as any offensive lineman in the draft. Veldheer is a bit short-armed but is a good athlete who has the range to hold up in the pass game at the next level".- yahoosports.com
" Veldheer won’t have any difficulty adjusting to the NFL and will compete for a starting spot right away."-Tom Cable
I don't know much about him and couldn't find any tape but he sounds like the real deal.
Bruce Campbell
"The Raiders pick up the most athletic offensive tackle from the NFL Scouting Combine with their selection of Bruce Campbell. Though many expected the team to nab him in the first round, the Raiders patiently waited to acquire him with the 106th pick. While he is raw in several aspects of his game, Campbell's outstanding athleticism gives him a chance to develop into a solid player in time". NFL.com
"A good value for the Raiders in the fourth round as Campbell has as much upside as any player in the draft. He's a physical freak with elite tools but still has a long way to go from a technique standpoint". -Yahoosports.com
"Bruce Campbell has been switched to guard so he can get playing time as a rookie".-Tom Cable
Bruce played in the Zone Blocking system at Maryland but has footwork problems. If he switched to guard for playing time could he be starting at some point this season? I mean why not? I'd rather him be in and do below average but improving then having a vet do below average who is past his prime and really won't improve.
Left Tackle
Mario Henderson started there last year. I'm not buying the whole he will be ok if Gallery is next to him. Now he shows flashes but is not consistent but then again 75 percent of the young players show flashes but aren't consistent. I see a triple threat boiling up here between Henderson, Barnes, and Veldheer. May the best man win.
Week 1 prediction-I'm going all in here. Jared Veldheer
Left Gaurd
Robert Gallery owns this one. If he can stay healthy. That's a big if. He does make the players around him better but he can't do everything by himself. If he goes down again early he needs to be replaced. God for bid with hm injured we could be looking at a backup lion as the starter.
Week 1 prediction- Gallery
Center
Samson looked alright to me when he played but he could look better. He needs to step up and take controll or we will be selecting a C wih our 2nd round pick in the 2011 draft.
Satele wins.
RG
Another triple threat between Coop,Walker and Campbell. As i stated above I'd rather Campbell be in and do below average but improving then having a vet do below average who is past his prime and really won't improve.
Coop starts week 1 but Campbell finishes week 1 and starts week 2.
RT
We really don't have pure RT. So one of the two who dosen't win LT will play here. Walker and Campbell might see time here as well.
Mario Henderson becomes a solid starter and owns this spot for the next 6 or 7 years.
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If Veldheer can start at LT Week 1, great! But I doubt he can..That's asking alot form a guy who
hasn’t played a snap in the NFL..So, I’d keep Hendo at LT, and Veldheer at RT.. I also doubt Campbell will start that early. I think it’d be smart to groom him under Walker, then when he’s ready, bring him in.
In Bruce We Trust
Langston Walker
is returning to the RT position.
"But my main problem with McClain is his lack of hunger – he clearly doesn’t lust for the kill" -Sons of Blanda
"I've been aware of McClain's downside for several months and posted on it - many here agree this guy's overrated." Sons of Blanda
"McClain isn't in the game the full 30 minutes, film shows he dogs it." Sons of Blanda
Vote
I voted one or two. There was no category for possibly three. Not unsure about LT, C, RG, RT at this point and what about injuries during training camp?
Duh
Not unsure, how about I am unsure. Public schools for ya.
by Mallard Davis on May 20, 2010 6:24 AM PDT up reply actions
OL is full of ?'s
LT – I see Barnes and Henderson competing here, with Veldheer still a year or two away. That really isn’t a problem, as he wasn’t expected to come in and win a starting job right away; there is a reason that they are called ‘projects’. Henderson was very inconsistent last year, and his play really tailed off in the last quarter of the season. Barnes’ natural position is LT; I see Barnes beating out Henderson here, IF he is allowed to compete; he may be kept on the right side.
LG – There is no question here, it will be Gallery. Loper will be the backup, unless he wins the RG spot, and Parsons is a dark horse.
C – Satele’s spot to lose, apparently, although I am still not sold that he will step it up to the point needed. He showed better at the end of last season than the beginning, but no more than average at best, IMO. Morris is best suited for spot duty.
RG – I’m guessing that it will be Carlisle, unless Loper is able to beat out both he and Campbell, who I don’t know will be ready to make a true challenge yet. If Loper is able to, then that will say something about both Carlisle and Campbell, that a backup on an even worse team can win a starting spot here…
RT – If Walker is brought back to this position, I think he would win it, assuming that he drops weight. If that happens, then Barnes battles for the LT spot, which I think that he could win. Whoever loses that battle would then become the default backup.
What I’d like to see, as of this moment (training camp and pre-season could make a difference, obviously):
LT – Barnes/Veldheer
LG – Gallery/Loper
C – Satele/Morris
RG – Loper/Campbell
RT – Walker/Henderson
We’ll see what happens…
Failure builds character; success reveals it
Barnes is getting all of his reps at G so far.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on May 20, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope it is because of Walker taking over the RT spot
and less because Barnes sucks.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on May 20, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Or maybe it's because Barnes is showing excessive improvement while playing the interior. That'd be nice..
In Bruce We Trust
That would kick some serious ass...
although I am taking him as running with the second string OL at LG as a sign this may not be the case. I don’t think it’d take much to seize the starting RG spot.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on May 20, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Loper sucks, dude.
I’d rather have Barnes or Walker there..Then Hendo at LT with Barnes or Veldheer at RT.
In Bruce We Trust
Like Walker at RT, Hate Barnes at LT, Satele for sure (Morris will be cut. Q: who backs Satele at Center?...Veldheer?)
If Veldheer could usurp Mario – great. I wonder why they’ve tried him at Center though (aside from Satele not really having a viable backup).
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 20, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
They almost have to keep Morris because of his versatility...
It would be bold to use Veldheer as the C back-up. Instead of interviewers asking Cable 40 questions to get Cable to comment on Russell, it’d be nice if they asked a question or two his plans for the o-line.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on May 20, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
QBs would have the ball right up there for quick throws
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 20, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Right into the back of his head...
Even with his knees bent, he’d still be bigger than the average Center. If Bruce starts, the poor guy wouldn’t be able to see what so ever
In Bruce We Trust
Sons, JaKe...
Why do you guys hate me
I got mad skillz. I bet your precious Gradkowski can’t play the drums!
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on May 20, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha is this picture hanging above your bed?
Where do you even find that pic? Did you photshop that yourself?
JC is not amused and we are now prepared for a QB battle of biblical proportions
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on May 20, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha. No, not yet at least..
And I found it through Google…Google rules all!
I’m excited for Training Camp, it will be a battle for the ages..
In Bruce We Trust
I can't believe Sons made that pic and posted it online!
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I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on May 20, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
i think alot of ppl are giving campbell the right look…he most likely wont be playing guard..he actually probably has a good chance to start at tackle..he has extreme athletic ability and alot of scouts said he was actually a good pass protector…dont be surprised if by training camp hes getting looks at both tackle spots….my ideal line would be campbell gallery satele walker veldheer..i think that line is big very strong interior and athletic at the tackle spots
I think the 2 rookies do have a shot to start this year actually assuming we don't bring anyone else in.
They’re giving Veldheer the majority of the starting reps at tackle instead of Walker. I believe he (Langston) is going to be a huge factor but mostly as depth since someone will get hurt. Also Campbell may eventually take over for Carlisle if he catches on quick enough. I believe the team will really want him to take over making 4th rounder $$ instead of a 32 yr old guard making $2.5 mil per. Also Campbell played in a ZBS out of Maryland so he may actually find it an easy transistion from tackle to guard. I actually voted for all 5 & yes I do have a life.
Center
The Raiders had something like three centers in their first 35 years. It would be nice to find a center to be there for the next ten years as Jake Grove was supposed to be.
That's right: Otto, Dalby, Mosebar after 35 years came Robbins. Five SB appearances and each one had one of these men at Center
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 20, 2010 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup
I had to honor to see all of them play at the Coliseum. Mosebar would have played longer if that damn Cowboy had not poked him in the eye.
by Mallard Davis on May 20, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Um...unfortunately only 4 of those Super Bowls had one of those men at Center :(
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on May 20, 2010 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
alas, you are right.
a plane crashes on the US Canadian border where do you bury the survivors?
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 20, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Great question,
I do know that the particular center in question would have walked away from the crash in a slight daze failing to notice the shrapnel sticking out of massive frame.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on May 20, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
On Topic
If a JaMarcus falls in the woods and there is nobody to hear it, does it make a sound?
and
Does a JaMarcus shit in the woods?
by Mallard Davis on May 21, 2010 6:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think there is an isolated enough spot on this planet for Russell
to fall and not have anyone hear it.
JaMarcus tried to shit in the woods but his crap missed the woods and was picked off by the ocean.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on May 21, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Trick question
JaMarcus only hears JaMarcus.
"But my main problem with McClain is his lack of hunger – he clearly doesn’t lust for the kill" -Sons of Blanda
"I've been aware of McClain's downside for several months and posted on it - many here agree this guy's overrated." Sons of Blanda
"McClain isn't in the game the full 30 minutes, film shows he dogs it." Sons of Blanda
For #2
JaMarcus never shits where his work ethic hides.
"But my main problem with McClain is his lack of hunger – he clearly doesn’t lust for the kill" -Sons of Blanda
"I've been aware of McClain's downside for several months and posted on it - many here agree this guy's overrated." Sons of Blanda
"McClain isn't in the game the full 30 minutes, film shows he dogs it." Sons of Blanda
Wish I could be as confident about Veldheer as you are
but don’t doubt your logic. I really watched Mario play, and he is no pro bowl caliber LT. Solid at times, below average to average most of the time. Can he get much better? I think he was playing his best last year, so Jared could win the spot. I do hope you’re right about Mario winning the RT spot for the next six years. I hope it’s not because we don’t have anyone better.
The good thing is,we don’t face as many premier defensive ends this year, so the guys can be started at the right times to get their sea legs. I still feel very uneasy about the pass protection.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
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