Coach Cable why aren't we going after LOT Jared Gaither?
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 13, 2010 9:14 AM PDT
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The O-Line is yours Coach and, after taking a hard look at our Offensive Tackles, I'm compelled to ask why we haven't signed Jared Gaither who is arguably one of the League's top 6 LOTs, in the ranks of Cleveland's Joe Thomas, Miami's Jake Long, New England's Sebastian Vollmer, New York Jet's D'Brickashaw Ferguson, and possibly Baltimore's Mike Oher.
Jared Gaither signed his tender, a one-year, $2.4 million contract w/the Ravens, on June 7th.
Let's be honest with ourselves, our OTs are our weakest link on the entire team. Mario Henderson, we are told, will do much better this season (with the departure of the 'five-pat-qb who shall remain unnamed). But are we so confident as to risk another 2009 performance at this crucial position? Is the health of Jason Campbell and Bruce Gradkowski to be placed in Henderson's care? We heard your lament about the scarcity of OTs, that they are in short supply vs. the need for them; but, here's one that will upgrade us instantly!
In truth, I've more faith in Langston Walker and Khalif Barnes (who did play fairly well in both NY games and against StD-2) than I do in Mario. Still, these Tackles have never performed at the level of Gaither. Meanwhile, Eric Pears is plain horrible, and the indiscreet Dutch-Treat is a rookie.
We recently addressed a sore need at DT by signing John Henderson (Thank you!) but the team upgrade job's not finished - it's still necessary to fill our other deficiency by acquiring a proven OT. Why not bring in a genuine upgrade at OT now - before training camp begins?
Look at this man. He clearly is someone who has been scorned by the very team he served faithfully. His hysterical injury is not excusable but understandable. When Baltimore switched Oher to LT and moved Gaither to RT, Jared coincidentally "injured" his foot (immediately upon hearing the news).He is now 100% - at least physically - though feeling betrayed by his team. This guy's mind is in the right place to be a Raider - he's good and pissed off.
What is Hue Jackson's take on this athlete? Hue would certainly know Gaither very well as the one most responsible for protecting Joe Flacco over the past three seasons.
Ht: 6' 9" Wt: 330 Age: 24
Born: 3/18/1986, White Plains, MD
College: Maryland
NFL Experience: 4th season
Drafted: 2007 - Rd 5
Let's get him, Coach! He's easily worth the $2.4 million.
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Makes little difference; he signed a week before the Ravens would have him for $400K
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 13, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
What would the Raiders trade for Gaithers?
The Raiders are already without a a first round draft pick next year. What do you suppose the Raiders give the Ravens for Gaithers the 2nd pick? I Just can’t see the Ravens taking a third pick. Your not suggesting the Raiders trade away one of their better players? What is the size of Gaithers contract? these questions need to be asked . Yeah Gaithers sounds good, but is it a logical choice?
It's $2.4 million/ 1 year.
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 13, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Why are we asking for so much when we’ve already have gathered so many pieces. Our Defense has suddenly become one that makes others nervous, and our offense has plenty of weapons.
I’m not giving up on Mario. I think he ca do and do it well. Give him a full year with Gallery or Walker next to him, and he’ll be fine. If anything, we can bring in Flozell Adams for 1 yr. then look at OT’s next year.
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
agreed
we just picked 2 OTs on the draft, although one is turning into a guard, we have put an effort into the line….we now have to build that chemistry
'Chemistry' in this instanc doesn't apply; what you are really suggesting is 'adjustment' or (more accurately) 'accomodation' for weakness
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 13, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
dont get me wrong, gaither is better than everyone we have but trading him at what cost
the players we would give up are players we need, on the defense im sure there is something going on with a new scheme, it makes sense with all the rush OLB and DE’s we have. i dont want to change much on that side of the ball but cut the fat, im proud of this defense so far….on te offense although yeah we would thrive with gaither but who said we the squad we have is useless now, aslong as oline stays healthy we have a decent group
It would be ideal to leave the D as it is right now; our moves since Jan. 3rd have been brilliant on that side.
But we must look at the overall team and if we are unable to score or keep our QBs off the turf then our games will be very close low scoring games at best. So, I suggest we make a small sacrifice from our strength to address our weakness. Balance, after all, is a good thing and the possibility of giving Jason and Bruce a consistent extra second to find and connect with Murph, Chaz, Zack or Jacoby is well worth one of our DEs or OLBs IMO.
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 13, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
As long as we are being greedy,
I’d like a legit #2 DB to push CJ and/or play nickel. Ken Lucas is still available.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 13, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha ha!
While I don’t completely disagree about the cb spot need, I’ll settle for getting a tackle better than any we have now.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Seagull Lucas started the season rather shaky but progressed on a gentle sloping curve steadily upward
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 13, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I get a more in depth look at Seachickens than I'd like,
but I think Lucas can still play. He is more physical than CJ. He lost some speed, but I think at the least he’d beat out Routt or any of the rooks.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 13, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with NYraiders29
Veldheer looks to be the LT of the future. Maybe bring in Flozell for a band-aide fix until Veldheer is ready. I really have a good feeling about Velddheer and Bruce Campbell’s future on the raiders offensive line. Sometimes bringing in somebody, can slow down the growth of another player.
by Captain Chaos on Jun 14, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Not if Gaither played LT and Langston and Veldheer played RT.
Veldheer is also practicing the Center which, if it ever happened, would make him the tallest Center of all time. Anyway, he’ll get plenty of snaps this year.
As for Henderson, he could back Gaither and play some Guard.
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Because Al's not getting any younger and wants a 4th World Title worse than we do. Because I don't want a player that
requires someone next to him, doing more than his own job, in order to perform his job. Granted the ultimate Raider Bust was partially responsible for Mario’s dismal work product (all but a few are unable to hold off DE pass rushes for the amount of time that individual required) but even when Grad and Frye took over, Mario was horrible (KC-2, Dallas, Denver-2) or marginal (Wash, Clev, Balt).
Adams isn’t worthy to carry Gaither’s clean jock but Mario isn’t worth to carry Gaiter’s soiled one.
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 13, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Almost all OT’s need a decent OG next to them. If not, they’re dealing with a DT and the DE, or even the occasional blitzing LB.
I’d love to have Gaither. He’s a brilliant OT who’s youth and size give any OL Coach a chubby. But, what would we give them? They wouldn’t take Seymour with his contract, and I think we need him anyways. Thomas Howard would be interesting to Ozzie, but our defense needs him more than we need an OT, in my opinion at least.
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
We have to look to our stremphf to solve the trading puzzle. We have a surplus of DEs and OLBs - let's consider from that prospect pool
Groves can rush QBs well but isn’t much against the rush. Meanwhile, we have Trevor whose strength, also, is pass rushing but does tackle well and gets out of blocking skirmishes like a martial artist . Howard, who slumped in pass coverage last season is still a very good cover LB, okay v run and plays with fire. Then there’s Wimbley, who again is a pass rusher more than a run stopper. Matt Shaughnessy is solid; I’m considering him a future franchise player – Baltimore would grab him. Richardson isn’t quite in Matt’s league. Seymour has become, it seems, a sacred cow on this team and may be off the table – but, like you said, his likely contract disqualifies him.
Think!
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 13, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I would trade a 3rd or 4th this year, a 4th next year and a shitty man corner. Baltimore likes signing our old CBs.
StanTURD Rhoutt comes to mind. Then sign this kid to a long-term deal. I’m thinking 5 yrs $31 mill. He is worth it. He is a major upgrade over Super Mario and the rookies who are still developing. If not him then Flozell for 1 or 2 years is a good pick up and we don’t give up anything to get him.
Present Value vs. Future Value: Simple Economics
Gaither is a proven commodity NOW with upside. Campbell and Valdheer are projects and Henderson is developing. We are hoping the Campbell, Valdheer, Henderson or some potential 2011 2nd rounder becomes what Gaither already is. It doesn’t make sense.
If the Ravens want more than a 2011 2nd then it’s a no deal. The Raiders held out on the Jags regarding Henderson (they wanted a 4th, the Raiders offered a 5th) and got him cheap, the weakness at LT is so glaring I bet the Raiders and the Ravens are playing chicken. I’m hoping the Raiders have drawn a line in the sand at the 2011 2nd; the Jags will prob bite late to see how the Raiders OL performs in the preseason to see if the Raiders panic and stunt the chemistry of a disgruntly player. We need Gaither to demand a trade.
If we were planning on taking Center Wisniewski with the 2nd, that may not be necessary if Satelle does what experts anticipate
At any rate, Gaither is worth a 2nd pick. He was tendered for a 1st Jan-June, now we can take his contract and, perhaps, square the deal for one of our OLBs or DEs. I do not believe we have the OL to take us beyond 1 playoff game.
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 13, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
While I believe Gaither is worth a 2nd rounder
I worry about his long term. He is going to want max money and he has motivation and injury concerns.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 13, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
If you throw out the Washington game where Orakpo treated him like a plastic love doll, Mario didn’t do too bad. I’d like to see him get one more shot.
... and Olshansky and Stephens in Dallas Mario was was a chew toy... and Dumervil in Denver-2 when he was a hay bale
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 13, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
This is the Raiders, where a player must dominate or expect termination. We are not an affirmative action enterprise; this isn't the
Salvation Army. Sorry if this seems harsh, but the reality is plainly this, we are at war and the old, the weak, and the stupid are liabilities who must be left behind with the women and children. Collateral damage must be accepted in our ruthless, though salubrious, pursuit with monomaniacal focus on obtaining for ourselves the Holy Grail of football (Lombardi Trophy).
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 13, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Making it happen....
One convert at a time. Why value the unknown over a proven commodity? especially considering his age
Because he is in the last year of his deal
Rosenhaus is his agent and he has motivational issues.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 14, 2010 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Every time I am ready to vote on one of your polls
I look at the options and think this is about as fair and balanced as Fox News. Sons of Blanda is Glenn Beck of Raiders posters. But I will give you more cred then that because obviously you are much smarter then that asshole. But regardless how your black and white dichotomies make me feel. I will chime in nevertheless.
In Hue and Cable, I trust. I think Cable is well aware just how much is on him for the OL that Hue and him have already crossed this bridge. They might very well be thinking about doing this very move which I would support, but from the standpoint of saying we need this move in the utmost desperation, I am not. At LT we have options. We have a 25 year old starter with 19 starts who is primed to make a jump this year. Then we have a young hard working Rookie in Veldheer and a Veteran anxious to reclaim his position in the league. I think giving the position automatically to a player, who if he is so good should not be getting replaced by Oher, sends the wrong message to the team. But if Cable and Hue want to go that route then they must see something we obviously cannot being that we are not seeing what they are, but since its not happened yet, I think they are content. Which I support.
"We're not going to be too quick to get all excited. We know it's a long season and anything can happen but as long as we stay focused throughout the way and we remain patient, we can be successful. It's when we start getting outside of ourselves and thinking we're this or thinking we're that, that's when things can get chaotic."
-Nnamdi "The Awesome One"
by DarthDavis on Jun 13, 2010 12:38 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Thank you. Your sentiments, however, might have been written a week ago about the lack of need for a DT
For If one replaces the names you cited above thusly: Mike Waffle for Hue Jackson, Desmond Bryant or Tommy Kelly for Mario Henderson, and Heard for Veldheer, one comes to a very different conclusion about important needs because we did address (albeit leisurely) the crucial, perhaps “desperate,” need for a DT w/ the very recent acquisition of John Henderson.
We still have several weeks to bring in a ringer at OT and after the Henderson deal I have more confidence that we will.
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 13, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I hear that and considered it myself.
But my stance was centered around us having a bigger Defensive Line then Raiders.com and NFL.com list us as. Which was and is a fact. But to consider Henderson the savior to our run problems is premature. Granted he is a monstrous seasoned veteran but what we will get out of him is certainly in question. Is he starter worthy? He certainly will serve a role but the amount of that role is yet to be determined. I still am correct in saying that Kelly is very capable of playing the NT and will stay by that. Also, a point to consider is that maybe things aren’t looking so good on the Seymour contract front. Maybe, Seymour wants to be paid as a DE and the difference is substantial almost (5 million). Clearly we can’t afford to pay him 5 million plus to play DT. I think a lot of this has to do with Seymour surprisingly and also I think Henderson is being over hyped by a lot of the nation. He certainly is what we need but to think he is THE Nose Tackle for the team is a mis statement.
But glad to see you can still use your fox news tactics Sons and address the question at hand. :)
"We're not going to be too quick to get all excited. We know it's a long season and anything can happen but as long as we stay focused throughout the way and we remain patient, we can be successful. It's when we start getting outside of ourselves and thinking we're this or thinking we're that, that's when things can get chaotic."
-Nnamdi "The Awesome One"
I noticed that about the polls too. Good simile with the Fox News crack lol
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
You both miss the point of the post, which is not intended to take the vital signs a la gallup poll, but rather to garner a
critical mass for presentation to the powers that be. Yes, I am one of the “naive ones” that believe our blog makes a difference in decisions being formulated in Alameda.
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 13, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not saying it’s a stupid idea to trade for Gaither. If Al could pull it off, this will be the greatest offseason ever. But I just don’t see it happening. I’m glad your still putting this out there though, because I’m pretty sure the Raider org. stops by from time to time. So maybe this post will let Al know we still want help on the line.
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
I have zero doubt in my mind there is a tackle on the way
Who that’ll be, remains to be seen, and how it goes down as well. I don’t believe Al loves Mario as much as he once did, and it’s apparent Cable and co. have earned some pull, and might do just that with the Henderson project if they aren’t seeing what they like.
Lots of indicators to lend credence to such a theory of late. Lots.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
??????
What are the indicators if you wouldn’t mind?
"We're not going to be too quick to get all excited. We know it's a long season and anything can happen but as long as we stay focused throughout the way and we remain patient, we can be successful. It's when we start getting outside of ourselves and thinking we're this or thinking we're that, that's when things can get chaotic."
-Nnamdi "The Awesome One"
Nothing substantial beyond my hunches. Sorry to do that to you
but by indicators I mean the new regime, the very real willingness to address the many glaring needs we’ve all discussed, seemingly at the last minute, also seemingly simultaneously as we’ve discussed it.
Also, the amount of guys like McNeill, and Gaither even, who’ve reluctantly signed tenders after no callers came. I believe that’s just owners and organizations using leverage to get them when the getting’s ripe.
Other indicators include the amount of other tackles we’ve brought in; at some point I believe they’ll grow tired of trying out the guys anyone could’ve gotten—i.e., the nobodies we’ve brought in lately—and go after somebody who’ll make a big push for the starting job.
Even if we got such a person, and Mario, Langston, or Khalif won the starting job, I’d feel much better knowing they won the position with some starting caliber talent in the mix.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Get him and move Mario to the right
Mario is a very good tackle, but Gaither would be an upgrade
Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It is already tomorrow in Australia
I like that idea.
But what do we give for him? I’d like to save next years 2nd so that means we have to get rid of a current player and maybe a 1st in 2012. That might be too much
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
Just notice your new signature, I've a question, if you know that you know nothing then you admit to knowing something;
so how can one ever be wise by that standard? Socrates, up to his age (400 BC) was the wisest of men, because (he claims) he knew he was not wise. He did not say he was wise b/c he did not know anything.
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 13, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
The more I learn, the less I know, I know.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 13, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Quit with this nonsense. The universe will implode if you continue any further!
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
Speaking of universe imploding thoughts.
Suck on this one. If Ponocchio were to say that he was going to lie in his next sentence, what would happen?
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
by JaKe. on Jun 13, 2010 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Elementary Old Boy, Pinocchio would be sitting or standing (perhaps kneeling) during his next sentence
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 13, 2010 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Quest
The Raiders should get Gaither and set about starting the tallest O Line in the league. The motto then could be, "Get to our QB? Hell you can’t even see our QB…
by Mallard Davis on Jun 13, 2010 2:33 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Wouldn't that mean the QB couldn't see them or the receivers also?
November, gentlemen. We go again to their house and we make it OUR MF house!! We take our Crown from those punks, not from around those punks! We take it in November and we protect it in January. Two wins. That's it. Take it!!!
Hue knows the guy
And right about now I bet AL would love to get him IF Hue gave him the good word and IF the ravens would be willing to deal with US. Personally,id love to see it happen for a 3rd ronder and a lil cash.Maybe even a 4th & 5th… who knows what the ravens are looking for in a trade. If I were them, id want RB Bush or WR Murphy and a pick. Maybe one of you Raider faithful cant blog on over to their site and see what their needs are? just a suggestion on a post or something.
Gaithers
I dont know what it would take specifically to get him.
I do know that offensive line is our biggest need/weakness.
We need one more piece to our nicely assembled puzzle. Wether its Gaither, Flozell or whomever else.
Jason Cambell is not a probowl type qb that can consistently overcome o-line shortcomings.
Pray Veldheer and or Cambell get up to speed, like yesterday….
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Jun 13, 2010 6:36 PM PDT reply actions
I have, and I don't think all the praying in the world will make that happen
Hopes for the youth, but it’s asking way too much.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
he is 6’9, 300+ pounds so he fits the description of an Al Davis type of guy. he is young as well. why not?
4 life brother.
Almost all OL men are 300+ pounds, but rarely are they 330 pounds. Jonothan Odgen was
6’10 and I think around 360. Now thats a large man haha
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
Sounds good to me
And since we’re having a rather impressive off season already no reason why Al couldn’t be trying to make this thing happen.
While I would not be unhappy if we went out and got Gathier, i do not think it is essential
I think Mario was decent last year and will improve again. We have one of the best people to judge whether we should get him or not in coach Jackson so I think if he was the type of player we needed then we would go and get him, I trust coach Jackson’s judgement on this one.
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here." - Al Davis
Jackson certainly would know Gaither, but Hue is new and is probably differing to Cable who, after all, is 'the line coach'
despite formal titles. Plus, Hue has probably used some of his capital in the Jason Campbell acquisition, as well as offensive FAs signings. But, at this point, when he really has nothing to push for other than an OT (we are far better at G and C (unless Samson gets hurt)- then we’re fucked b/c Morris sucks) then Hue suggests to Tom with more conviction and Tom goes to Al, a man who listens to Tom, and Al, if he agrees, moves as fast as his fleetest player – and Gaither is clad in S&B.
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 13, 2010 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions
So, do you expect Satele to be improved this year?
I felt he was a huge disappointment last year. He did seem to pick it up some as the season went on, though and he is still young.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 13, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes I do; he is no longer a concern unless he gets hurt (that's probably why wooden two shoes was worked at Center)
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 13, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Does mean the clocking clog was not one of the giants from your dream?
I hope he is improved. If he is solid and Gallery is healthy all season, the line will not meet my fears.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 13, 2010 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Vd's head wouldn't have reached their belts
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 13, 2010 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you taking into account the clogs?
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 14, 2010 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I just checked the bar graphs to see if they backed up my feeling that Satele improved as the season went along.
They didn’t. Far from it. So, why is it exactly we feel he’ll be improved this year?
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 13, 2010 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions
It's based on nothing less than the conviction of Jim Otto himself who told us (Saint, Spirals and me) that Satele
“He’ll be fine, he’ll work out.”
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 13, 2010 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Your sending the Wolf
….Sheeit SoB, that’s all you had to say!
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 14, 2010 1:43 AM PDT up reply actions
we cool, vincent
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
From Jim's words, to the three of yours' ears, was all I needed to hear
and that’s all I have to say about that.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Has there ever been anyone more qualified to render opinion on a developing Center?
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Get over the bar graphs
It was both clear and evident Satele played better later in the season. The Bar graphs are not an end all indicator or any form of advancement in the area of insight in to how football players perform. We could make up our own rubric and slap grading scales on it. Its not a science and completely takes surrounding context out of the game.
"We're not going to be too quick to get all excited. We know it's a long season and anything can happen but as long as we stay focused throughout the way and we remain patient, we can be successful. It's when we start getting outside of ourselves and thinking we're this or thinking we're that, that's when things can get chaotic."
-Nnamdi "The Awesome One"
Signing scrubs at tackle position left and right
it’s time they worked out starters.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Is*
"We've got to start listening to coach Belichick...we've got the best coach of all time. He's got the answers."
-Tom Brady, May 10/10
yup thats wht happened to the gsw this season
Hope no serious injurys occur and this good vibe goes into the regular season.
by americaneagle510 on Jun 13, 2010 9:13 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
also
I think we are pretty much set as I am hoping that some of our o line steps up this year and the best thing we need this year is consistency and continuity. Anoher thing someone suggested we trade murphy which is just ridiculous! We are good right now the only addition if any should be made through FA, no trades!
by americaneagle510 on Jun 13, 2010 9:18 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Doesn't he commit a lot of penalties?
I think we should wait till pre season is over. We can still go after him, aslong as it is before week 6 of the nfl season. Lets see how we do in the pre-season first.
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
9 penalties in 13 starts. Michael Oher had 10 in 18 starts
If Baltimore had more discipline they might have gone all the way
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 13, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
In light of this number,
it is apparent that Gaither is not a Raider guy. I think Cornhole beat the two of them combined in one series.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 13, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you think we have enough discipline? Do you think that he'll commit less penalties on an OL that is probably worse than his previous team(I' thinking cowboys, but I may be wrong)?
I think he may commit more penalties here. I don’t think we have enough discipline to lower his penalties either. It seems like kind of a gamble, and if he commits plenty of penalties, then obviously that would mean that our OL is STILL no very disciplined, and Campbell will not perform as well(AND it will kill a great drive down the field).
We can wait till after pre-season, and I think we should. We should assess what we have now, and how they will perform. If we NEED Gaither, we’ll get him.
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
by patriotguy2 on Jun 14, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
A few 5-yard penalties more than any of our current guys is offset by his superior blocking abilities
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay, the pats facing the colts in 08, guess how they lost despite the superior blocking of the OL and great blocking of David Thomas?
Penalties. I don’t care how good you can block, penalties will screw your momentum over big time.
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
I hate penalties too, but one must consider a player's overall contribution against any shortcomings
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
but we must assess what we have now, before we go after another penalty risking OL.
and we can’t be sure of what we have to we assess their performance in the pre-season.
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
Gallery
My strongest argument to go ahead and get Gaither is Gallery. Not his pro bowl type play at guard but his injuries. Without him, our line doesn’t work. Veld may take 2 years to play tackle in the NFL which is fine as he has the “potential” to be special and Campbell could a very strong pulling guard by mid season. Gallery may not have 16 games in him this year. I don’t accept a LT who plays well because of the guard next to him. that’s not good enough. A LT needs to own the player in front of him, I hope that Mario can do that this year but would feel a lot more confident with Gaither and Mario at RT. As an aside, I wouldn’t put Jake Long as a top 5 LT in the league, word has it that he’s at risk to lose the LT position as he has regressed last year. The Dolphins are very concern by his play. Just goes to show that a LT is hard to get.
We have to expect Gallery to miss games due to injury. I like Langston and heard that Barnes was practicing as Guard
So when it happens, we will absorb it. But if there are more injuries on the O-line that would be serious given our non-existent O-line depth.
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Do we want it all, NOW !!!
OT seems to be our only concern at this Point !!!! What’s it worth to us !!! Are we talking about getting better, or are we talking about making a serious run for the whole ball of wax !!! A Super Bowl win, would pretty much give the rest of the league the running shits until next year !!!! Boy, does that sound good !!! You think Big Al has this on his mind!!!.So that leaves us to debate who’s untouchable far as trade bait ?? Bush name came up earlier. To this I say hell no !!!! Murphy maybe……ahhhh, NO !!!! Nyamdi …..ahhhh, HELL NO !!! Zach Miller …. This is a maybe since we have his clone on the roster, Myers !!! McFadden is a possibility,(hasn’t shown up yet) if they bite !!!! Remember the orig. ?. Are we going for it, this year ? Future Draft picks ?? Only if we’re going for it…THIS YEAR !!!! Me ….. I have to do a wait & see, right now!!! Wait until the end of preseason, and then see who’s available. As Bad as I want it for us this year, I also want a future of continous winning seasons!!! O boi… Just cant Wait !!! One very happy RAIDERFAN4LYFE !!!!
This move should not happen and if it does then I’m a little disappointed in our offseason depending on what we give up for him which would have to be huge.
If we give up our second rounder then I have no hope towards 2011. Al Davis does wonders building through the draft. Free agency is not his game by any means. Having no day 1 picks in 2011, do you really want to be like the Bears were this year, left with quite a few needs and just not enough towards fixing them adequately?
If we give up defensive players, I have no hope towards 2010. This defense is only just now good enough to keep our offense in games and maybe win them. This is the kind of defense we need. The offense is full of long-term projects with sky-high potential. But within two years we’re ready to throw them overboard.
Henderson (Mario) is still a raw guy who’s still learning the ropes. He’s lucky to have done as well as he did last year. In all reality, he shouldn’t have been starting till now (based on his progression curve which is based on 1 full year college starting, third round pick, and talents/weaknesses). But in his starting experience he’s done a rather fine job.
We have to remember the game in 07 where he dominated Mario Williams, giving up 0 sacks and had 0 penalties. The potential is there for Mario Henderson to be elite.
The line also got addition by subtraction, I consider this line to be much better now without Cornell Green’s horrid pass protection and penalties. We have to remember that Green gave up more sacks than Mario. If Langston Walker wins the RT job as I think he will, then I think we’ll be fine on the line while it continues to grow and develop at a very nice pace.
I don’t wanna give up any of these quality defensive pieces who can keep us in games and hopefully get us to 7-9 or 9-7. This defense is no longer a “good-enough” defense but a great defense. I don’t want to lose that now.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
i think gaither is worth the2nd round pick only if if we were to keep him for the long term
noly if that was the case, but i like to think we still get the trade done go through the season getting into the playoffs, deep into the playoffs convincing gaither to resign as a raider and we win, gaither would be better than anyone we would pick in the second round in my opinion…
Yes on both counts: Gaither is (most probably) better than anyone we could pick with our 2nd and we must sign him long term
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Gaither isn’t a sure fire thing to not only make us a playoff team, let alone a deep playoff team. That’s getting way too overconfident. We’re still coming of a 5-11 year and we still would be lucky to be second in the AFC west competing with Denver.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
One thing is for sure
This division is getting a lot stronger in a big hurry.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
agreed. SD is falling but still can be a tough team, Denver’s getting an elite defense set up, Oakland is finally making strides offensively, and KC……well hey they got Eric Berry to epically fail look forward to.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
consensus with these (reasonable pundits) is 8-8 for Raiders, at least
Check out NFL.com’s assessment of Raiders prospect
Let’s not forget the St. Louis Rams of 1999 who went from 4-12 to SB victory over Tennessee (23-16)
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 15, 2010 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Can I ask you Sons....
What is your obsession with Gaither? Is it that he reinforces your love of color coded bar graphs? Because Donald Penn and the Bucs aren’t looking too good over there and I would think picking up Donald Penn is slightly more of a tangible/greater possibility. Maybe something like Henderson and Thomas Howard for Donald Penn would work for them. I mean I just never understood adding a 4th LT to the roster, but maybe if we somehow worked a nice trade up to get a guy including one of our LT’s then it would be more sensible.
"We're not going to be too quick to get all excited. We know it's a long season and anything can happen but as long as we stay focused throughout the way and we remain patient, we can be successful. It's when we start getting outside of ourselves and thinking we're this or thinking we're that, that's when things can get chaotic."
-Nnamdi "The Awesome One"
although I don't think the Bucs would be that interested
I forgot Geno Hayes and Quincy Black were actually good. But something could probably be worked out with us having to break the bank on a guy that doesn’t seem to want to play for TB or TB doesn’t want to pay for.
"We're not going to be too quick to get all excited. We know it's a long season and anything can happen but as long as we stay focused throughout the way and we remain patient, we can be successful. It's when we start getting outside of ourselves and thinking we're this or thinking we're that, that's when things can get chaotic."
-Nnamdi "The Awesome One"
edit:
“with OUT us having to break the bank…..”
"We're not going to be too quick to get all excited. We know it's a long season and anything can happen but as long as we stay focused throughout the way and we remain patient, we can be successful. It's when we start getting outside of ourselves and thinking we're this or thinking we're that, that's when things can get chaotic."
-Nnamdi "The Awesome One"
at the point where the Bucs are just Mario Henderson would be enough for them. Both sides are very upset at this point and Peen might be dropped altogether but that’s a fairly new rumor.
Anywho, he also had this obsession with Haynesworth. Thank god he won’t be on this team.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
I've written one post encouraging Haynesworth acquisition - if you want to call that obsession I can't stop you
I do know, that until we picked up Henderson (I hope it’s in writing) we were weak in the middle. I’d feel even better if we signed Henderson and Haynesworth. If you’re thinking I’m hating on Kelly, I have loyalties to players who get results for the Raiders.
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
No obsession, Gaither's simply the best OT in the marketplace
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Flozell Adams
Pick up Flozell he’s not the best but he is like 75-77 Rating better than most of the linemen on our team..
Check out my new video on youtube Oakland Raiders 2009-2010 Defense-
DOPE!
You timed Natural Born Killers perfect, that was ill.
"We're not going to be too quick to get all excited. We know it's a long season and anything can happen but as long as we stay focused throughout the way and we remain patient, we can be successful. It's when we start getting outside of ourselves and thinking we're this or thinking we're that, that's when things can get chaotic."
-Nnamdi "The Awesome One"
+1
Dope. Ill. Great vid. Keep ’em coming!
I can’t wait to see some of these guys with some offensive help!
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Crazy post
Gaither is a current starter for the Baltimore Ravens. What makes anyone think they would all of the sudden give up their starting RT weeks before training camp and after the draft (with no real chance to replace him)?
And even if the Ravens took a that trip to la la land, what are the Raiders going to offer, an I.O.U.? No first-rounder next year and a 2nd rounder wouldn’t be enough. Plus, what makes you think the Raiders would even consider it? They didn’t before the draft. They drafted two OT’s IN the draft. Why now all the sudden would Cable go after a third?
This entire idea is wack. How does a post like this make the front page?
November, gentlemen. We go again to their house and we make it OUR MF house!! We take our Crown from those punks, not from around those punks! We take it in November and we protect it in January. Two wins. That's it. Take it!!!
Wow, I just voted and now I see how it makes the front page...
87% of you have just as poor judgment.
Baring injury, you’ll never go out and sign a guy like Gaither this off-season. It makes no sense. I’m not even a Raiders fan, and yet I’m smarter about your team than 87% of you. Say what you want, at the end of the day I’m right and nearly nine in ten of you are wrong about your own team. It’s sad, really.
November, gentlemen. We go again to their house and we make it OUR MF house!! We take our Crown from those punks, not from around those punks! We take it in November and we protect it in January. Two wins. That's it. Take it!!!
Your assuming
That many Raider fans actually voted. I sure didn’t.
"We're not going to be too quick to get all excited. We know it's a long season and anything can happen but as long as we stay focused throughout the way and we remain patient, we can be successful. It's when we start getting outside of ourselves and thinking we're this or thinking we're that, that's when things can get chaotic."
-Nnamdi "The Awesome One"
Are you representative of the Raider Nation? Certainly not on this topic. Btw, if not Raider fans blogging and voting here,
who is? You’re not taking this degenerate gambler of the Donkey cult as representative of the voters here?!
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I was talking mostly about myself
and it would be ill conceived to assume that because the poll is on a Raider site that ONLY or ALL Raider Fans voted on it. Wouldn’t it?
"We're not going to be too quick to get all excited. We know it's a long season and anything can happen but as long as we stay focused throughout the way and we remain patient, we can be successful. It's when we start getting outside of ourselves and thinking we're this or thinking we're that, that's when things can get chaotic."
-Nnamdi "The Awesome One"
Now its "only" and "all"; I recall responding to your original word choice "many"
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 15, 2010 6:01 AM PDT up reply actions
So you see yourself as not necessarily a Raider fan? Wouldn't surprise me; your tactics in debate resemble NEs
field tactics more than Oakland’s
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 15, 2010 6:33 AM PDT up reply actions
why are you questioning everyone’s fanship around here? We’re here and follow this site because we’re Raiders fans.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
Coming onto this Raider site and having your heart in the Nation are not univocal. I parse statements
and draw conclusions.
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 15, 2010 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions
"Sons is something to be overcome."
"When you believe in yourself......you will conquer many of your fears before they even manifest."
"Understanding your role and the role of others around you will be extremely beneficial to your development as a player (person). Make it a point to learn something new with each day."
On comparing yourself to others: "Don't let that be your thought. It will cloud your focus and your performance will suffer because you start to lose your confidence. Just go out there and be the best (player) you can possibly be and let the stuff you can't control work itself out. It always does."
"Don't be afraid of the moment, because it doesn't last forever."
-Zen Master, Nnamdi "The Awesome One" Asomugha
You have Sons indigestion perchance?
Latest research shows that indigestion is best treated with gradual increase in exposure. Now if you are allergic to Sons, that’s another matter – allergies and intolerance are two different conditions.
by Spirals galore on Jun 15, 2010 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions
lol
His ego could only fit inside his swollen head.
"When you believe in yourself......you will conquer many of your fears before they even manifest."
"Understanding your role and the role of others around you will be extremely beneficial to your development as a player (person). Make it a point to learn something new with each day."
On comparing yourself to others: "Don't let that be your thought. It will cloud your focus and your performance will suffer because you start to lose your confidence. Just go out there and be the best (player) you can possibly be and let the stuff you can't control work itself out. It always does."
"Don't be afraid of the moment, because it doesn't last forever."
-Zen Master, Nnamdi "The Awesome One" Asomugha
learn something new everyday
"When you believe in yourself......you will conquer many of your fears before they even manifest."
"Understanding your role and the role of others around you will be extremely beneficial to your development as a player (person). Make it a point to learn something new with each day."
On comparing yourself to others: "Don't let that be your thought. It will cloud your focus and your performance will suffer because you start to lose your confidence. Just go out there and be the best (player) you can possibly be and let the stuff you can't control work itself out. It always does."
"Don't be afraid of the moment, because it doesn't last forever."
-Zen Master, Nnamdi "The Awesome One" Asomugha
I didn't know what a non sequitur was
"When you believe in yourself......you will conquer many of your fears before they even manifest."
"Understanding your role and the role of others around you will be extremely beneficial to your development as a player (person). Make it a point to learn something new with each day."
On comparing yourself to others: "Don't let that be your thought. It will cloud your focus and your performance will suffer because you start to lose your confidence. Just go out there and be the best (player) you can possibly be and let the stuff you can't control work itself out. It always does."
"Don't be afraid of the moment, because it doesn't last forever."
-Zen Master, Nnamdi "The Awesome One" Asomugha
lol
The Raider nation is ONLY and ALL Raider fans. You Ego Maniac, but its obvious that only people who dogmatically agree with what you say are in your version of the “Raider Nation.”
Glen Beck is accusing me of Belicheaterdom. LOL
"We're not going to be too quick to get all excited. We know it's a long season and anything can happen but as long as we stay focused throughout the way and we remain patient, we can be successful. It's when we start getting outside of ourselves and thinking we're this or thinking we're that, that's when things can get chaotic."
-Nnamdi "The Awesome One"
by DarthDavis on Jun 15, 2010 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
and yet another recommendation for Darth Davis
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
right now Sons if the main reason thepunisher and I don’t frequent here anymore
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
You crack me up
“I don’t want to play anymore unless you kick out Sons-of-Blanda!”
by Spirals galore on Jun 15, 2010 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions
“And I am not alone – thepunisher wants him out too!”
by Spirals galore on Jun 15, 2010 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions
no he just needs to stop acting high and mighty like he owns this place.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
by KA1Z3R on Jun 15, 2010 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
You need to develop strategies for dealing with people you don't like
Otherwise you’d not survive in the post-school world, and your employers will deem you a problem employee:)
by Spirals galore on Jun 15, 2010 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions
and Sons wouldn’t be a problem employee?
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
by KA1Z3R on Jun 15, 2010 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
and what better place to deal with people you don’t like than in high school. They’re everywhere lol
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
how do you deal with them - by running?
Engage them and change the dynamic.
by Spirals galore on Jun 15, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
you'll be surprised if you met him in person
He is not what you think he is.
by Spirals galore on Jun 15, 2010 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions
agreed. and I for one totally appreciate the personality he brings here
and I agree how inflammatory in nature in can be…
The egomaniacal in perspective at times is perhaps accurate at times, but the high and mighty, and notion of acting as all powerful, is merely perceived.
I understand how some might be offended by Son’s prose. Am I? Never.
And Glenn Beck, and Fox news? There’s only one Glenn Beck, and propaganda network.
Seriously, guys. It’s better when we’re all here.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
very good advice
I think my earlier instance with Sons taught me this, and apologies again for that Spirals.
"When you believe in yourself......you will conquer many of your fears before they even manifest."
"Understanding your role and the role of others around you will be extremely beneficial to your development as a player (person). Make it a point to learn something new with each day."
On comparing yourself to others: "Don't let that be your thought. It will cloud your focus and your performance will suffer because you start to lose your confidence. Just go out there and be the best (player) you can possibly be and let the stuff you can't control work itself out. It always does."
"Don't be afraid of the moment, because it doesn't last forever."
-Zen Master, Nnamdi "The Awesome One" Asomugha
Thanks KA1Z3R
I remember the first time a came around here you were one of my favorite posters. I am glad to see you back around here. Not trying to assemble a team against “Children of Blanda” but its nice to know I’m not the only one.
"When you believe in yourself......you will conquer many of your fears before they even manifest."
"Understanding your role and the role of others around you will be extremely beneficial to your development as a player (person). Make it a point to learn something new with each day."
On comparing yourself to others: "Don't let that be your thought. It will cloud your focus and your performance will suffer because you start to lose your confidence. Just go out there and be the best (player) you can possibly be and let the stuff you can't control work itself out. It always does."
"Don't be afraid of the moment, because it doesn't last forever."
-Zen Master, Nnamdi "The Awesome One" Asomugha
I’m not either, I just want to feel like i can come back here and actually be bale to state my opinion and debate in a respectful manner like I used to be able to.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
KA1Z3R,
What is the deal with this? A Stray Followed you Home
Look Blanda might be tough to deal with but things are never a cake walk. Raider Up, young blood. Its all about leverage, Blanda writes enough where he (as all bloggers) eventually dig their own grave. Just throw some of his BS back in his face, and if its too laborious for you then just ignore him. But finding safety in the opposing armies warm embrace? That is scarier then Blanda’s pretentiousness.
"When you believe in yourself......you will conquer many of your fears before they even manifest."
"Understanding your role and the role of others around you will be extremely beneficial to your development as a player (person). Make it a point to learn something new with each day."
On comparing yourself to others: "Don't let that be your thought. It will cloud your focus and your performance will suffer because you start to lose your confidence. Just go out there and be the best (player) you can possibly be and let the stuff you can't control work itself out. It always does."
"Don't be afraid of the moment, because it doesn't last forever."
-Zen Master, Nnamdi "The Awesome One" Asomugha
Wow, KA1Z3R.
Emabarrassing to see you whine like you did over there. DarthDavis is right – Raider Up.
by Spirals galore on Jun 15, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Haha I like the way this is going
You’ve got to admit, though, Blanda talking shit to a 15 year old kid about puberty is pretty below the belt (no pun intended).
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
by Alex on Jun 15, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why do you think so?
Puberty is indeed a painful period – my heart used to be broken thrice weekly when I was a puber. You think KA1Z3R is suffering from a broken heart??
by Spirals galore on Jun 15, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Really?
Some things are just out of bounds, no? It’s not out of bounds if I ask if you’re on your period because one of your comments seems overly bitchy?
There’s no crying in baseball, and there’s no puberty and periods in football. These laws are old as time -)
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
by Alex on Jun 15, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It is not out of bounds
to ask me if I am on my period because one of my comments sounds overly bitchy. It is actually very informative – such a question would indicate your reliance on popular but unfounded myths.
by Spirals galore on Jun 15, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
periods got nothin to do with attitude...
Spirals got both, just more ’tude than excuses…
I'll Get Inside Your FACE!
by VaderBDCRaider on Jun 15, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m just done putting up with it. It’s making it impossible to enjoy this site anymore.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
WWND
What Would Nnamdi Do?
"When you believe in yourself......you will conquer many of your fears before they even manifest."
"Understanding your role and the role of others around you will be extremely beneficial to your development as a player (person). Make it a point to learn something new with each day."
On comparing yourself to others: "Don't let that be your thought. It will cloud your focus and your performance will suffer because you start to lose your confidence. Just go out there and be the best (player) you can possibly be and let the stuff you can't control work itself out. It always does."
"Don't be afraid of the moment, because it doesn't last forever."
-Zen Master, Nnamdi "The Awesome One" Asomugha
Gosh, there must be something appealing among all those quotes.
“It is a good thing for an uneducated man to read books of quotations.”
Sir Winston Churchill
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 15, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Gosh?
Seriously Blanda………Gosh? I am assuming your obvious ego infatuation has you intended that to be sarcasm. But you do realize they are quotes from Nnamdi. I don’t get you, its like you have the maturity of a 4 year old and don’t want to share your howie long starting lineup with anybody. Grow up …….and the sad part is I am younger then you. All that knowledge of yours and not an ounce of wisdom soooo sad.
"When you believe in yourself......you will conquer many of your fears before they even manifest."
"Understanding your role and the role of others around you will be extremely beneficial to your development as a player (person). Make it a point to learn something new with each day."
On comparing yourself to others: "Don't let that be your thought. It will cloud your focus and your performance will suffer because you start to lose your confidence. Just go out there and be the best (player) you can possibly be and let the stuff you can't control work itself out. It always does."
"Don't be afraid of the moment, because it doesn't last forever."
-Zen Master, Nnamdi "The Awesome One" Asomugha
by DarthDavis on Jun 15, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, all are Nnamdi's from ONE article - perhaps the only one you've read by him
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 15, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Would you rather me go back to
your insightful opinion on Rolando McClain that magically changed like a sea monkey once he donned the Silver and Black. Fact is, Nnamdi is my personal role model. I agree with what he said and I couldn’t decide which one, so I threw them all up there. Are you jealous or something? What is it to you anyway?
"When you believe in yourself......you will conquer many of your fears before they even manifest."
"Understanding your role and the role of others around you will be extremely beneficial to your development as a player (person). Make it a point to learn something new with each day."
On comparing yourself to others: "Don't let that be your thought. It will cloud your focus and your performance will suffer because you start to lose your confidence. Just go out there and be the best (player) you can possibly be and let the stuff you can't control work itself out. It always does."
"Don't be afraid of the moment, because it doesn't last forever."
-Zen Master, Nnamdi "The Awesome One" Asomugha
by DarthDavis on Jun 15, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love how selective Blanda is with where he posts.
Its almost “coward” like how he runs away when the chips are stacked against him.
"When you believe in yourself......you will conquer many of your fears before they even manifest."
"Understanding your role and the role of others around you will be extremely beneficial to your development as a player (person). Make it a point to learn something new with each day."
On comparing yourself to others: "Don't let that be your thought. It will cloud your focus and your performance will suffer because you start to lose your confidence. Just go out there and be the best (player) you can possibly be and let the stuff you can't control work itself out. It always does."
"Don't be afraid of the moment, because it doesn't last forever."
-Zen Master, Nnamdi "The Awesome One" Asomugha
by DarthDavis on Jun 15, 2010 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Take my advice and change the dynamics
Engage him in a non-adversarial way.
by Spirals galore on Jun 15, 2010 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps you may give him the same advice?
Seriously
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
I went to this post and read each comment. I am disgusted. KA13R, you should consider
deleting that post. You’re an author and a Raider supporter and what went on their is shameful. If I drove you to this, I apologize. I lampooned your top 10 DT list and wouldn’t have the slightest regrets except now, after reading how those ghoulish demonic donkey cult fiends exploited your vulnerability and mocked and ridiculed us, I wish I’d eased off on you – I really didn’t know how offensive I was to you or the effects. These creepy low life were emboldened by your seduction to the dark side and came here brazenly spewing their arrogant lies and half truths. I’m glad your metabolism is accelerated so you can quickly reassess the situation and reject the sirens luring you to rocky shores and destruction.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 15, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but still, its sad to see that we may have lost a fellow Raider fan in this blog.
Especially, In a sense of friendly fire. Watch your aim next time Sons! (But mostly it’s on you KAIZ3R for taking it too hard, just move on, and get back to blogging with us!)
:)
The RaiderLaker
Things are good JJ
You ready for game 7?
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 15, 2010 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah!!!!!!!! With Perk gone and Shelden Williams getting minutes, I see us winning.
But I have a feeling it will be close or a fight will happen…
The RaiderLaker
Things are going to be testy!
Sheed is liable to fly off the handle at some point. He is going to play big minutes and he has had to be on his best behavior now that he is on the verge of the T suspension. Let’s just say he has a lot of crazy built up.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 16, 2010 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Those were never my words. I've noticed how easily you lie - yes, I believe that you are a dishonest person.
You distort and obliquely attack when an argument is too strong for you. I know you are also a coward.
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 15, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Response to by DarthDavis on his Jun 15, 2010 7:11 AM PDT comment
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 15, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
In response to this by DarthDavis on Jun 15, 2010 4:34 AM PDT
Don’t even bother, people. I’ll handle this.
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 15, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
????
Your belief ‘s are unfounded. A coward? LOL. I moved to a 3rd world country to serve my country and help people in need, where I live I constantly have people trying to break into my house at night and I sleep next to a machete…………because I am a coward. Sons you wouldn’t last a day in these shoes you arrogant prick. Grow the fuck up. Why do you always have to attempt to get under peoples skin.
Despite your intolerable ego I still think there’s hope for us Sons. YOU MISERABLE PRICK
"When you believe in yourself......you will conquer many of your fears before they even manifest."
"Understanding your role and the role of others around you will be extremely beneficial to your development as a player (person). Make it a point to learn something new with each day."
On comparing yourself to others: "Don't let that be your thought. It will cloud your focus and your performance will suffer because you start to lose your confidence. Just go out there and be the best (player) you can possibly be and let the stuff you can't control work itself out. It always does."
"Don't be afraid of the moment, because it doesn't last forever."
-Zen Master, Nnamdi "The Awesome One" Asomugha
by DarthDavis on Jun 15, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
you are something else
Literally. Could you please explain why you think you are smarter about our team than 87% of us?
I think you are not smart at all. A truly smart person doesn’t resport to insults.
by Spirals galore on Jun 14, 2010 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Alright smarty
You don’t like my insults? OK. How do insults take away from intelligence? If I call you a prick, does it kill my brain cells?
Could you please explain why you think you are smarter about our team than 87% of us?
Because I’m right and 87% of you are wrong. The proof for that comes in time. When you start the season without Gaither (or trading for a comparable OT), maybe you’ll remember to look back and realize that I was right – that the Raiders shouldn’t and that the Raiders won’t go out and trade for a guy like Gaither.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
what's wrong with discussing options, smartass?
by Spirals galore on Jun 14, 2010 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Nothing.
I just think the options you’re discussing are stupid and non-possibilities.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
You are a novice at widow-shopping
Do you you have a wife or a girlfriend who can teach you the basics?
by Spirals galore on Jun 14, 2010 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Really?
I litterally laughed out loud a little. Are you still talking about shopping? What’s your deal? I’m a guy. I wear nice clothes. I go to buy, not look, to get in, get out, and be done. Now you can say you’re a better window shopper than me. I concede. I agree. Time to move on yet? Enough with the shopping already.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
BTW, I am really smart.
Check my blog: htttp://christotechne.wordpress.com
by Spirals galore on Jun 14, 2010 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Not about judging reasonable options for your own team, you're not.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
again - do your research before posting anything on this site
Methinks you underestimate the Raiders.
by Spirals galore on Jun 14, 2010 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
underestimating the Raiders has nothing to do with the idea that this post is based on an idea that will never happen.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
Maybe. But who are you to say that it can't be window-shopped?
Aree you a coward in your personal life?
by Spirals galore on Jun 14, 2010 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I like you, Elvis. You're always welcome at our place
by Spirals galore on Jun 14, 2010 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks, you're kind of cute
Maybe I will be back =)
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
I don't have a prick on my body - just thought you may want to know.
by Spirals galore on Jun 14, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions
thats hott
lmao
I'll Get Inside Your FACE!
by VaderBDCRaider on Jun 15, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Alright Smarty???
Listen assclown, u came over here slinging mud, and insulting people right off the bat, this point’s to one of two things: either your insecure with your i.q. and feel smaller than anyone here (which you should, donkey-lover), or you are here to talk shit cuz ur own inbred site is tired of your aggressive and combative attempts into draggin someone into a discussion.
glad that some douche asswipa from the donkies is here to stir it up, and always believe someone’s got a right to express their EDUCATED opinion, but when u come over here layin insults down like we are a bunch of idiots.. i draw the line.
ur opinion means less than shit here, elvisalexis… take it back to the site for those that want inter-species breeding (donkey-fuckers), those that pay homage to a little man with a large ego, and even bigger ass kissin lips (mcdaniels), and we’ll see your DEFENSE during the season…. ur defense that fell apart in the second half of the year and lost u the division.
til then, dont speak until ur spoken to, ur lil girly bitch voice and words have no effect, u just sound like a fool…
I'll Get Inside Your FACE!
by VaderBDCRaider on Jun 15, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Raider fans, always staying classy
Do you feel better about yourself now? You got to cuss out someone and sound big and tough over a blog site? You don’t take his opinions seriously because you are beyond biased. In reality, your comment is the one that doesn’t mean shit cause it sparks no intellectual conversation or debate. It’s just a string of insults that do nothing but make you look like an ass.
And before you start criticizing McDaniels and the Denver D, you might want to take a look at your own team. Your team hasn’t won more then 6 games since 2002. Your on an 8 year pathetic streak and your going to criticize the Broncos…that is hilarious.
BroncoTillIDie = Nick Castillo
October 11, 2009: Remember the McD Fist Pump.
Xbox360 gamertag: SnipeMeHarder
Last Name: Ever First Name: Greatest
Well, he was responding to a comment that asserted
%87 of Raiders fans have less intelligence then he (elvis) had because they voted for the Raiders trying to address the offensive line concerns by going after a proven veteran lineman.
This backwards logic leads many to believe it was actually a borderline trolling comment. Don’t shit on someone’s dinner table and then expect to be asked to stay for desert.
And due to 8 years of Raiders failures, does that mean a Raiders fan can’t point out you have an aging defense that ran out of Viagra the second half of last season?
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 15, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
thanks noon
not tryin to start schizen… but i hate when trollers roll thru talkin smack and insulting…. how easy would it be for me to go to MHR and start a verbal war??? pretty easy, but i dinna look for that shite.
I'll Get Inside Your FACE!
by VaderBDCRaider on Jun 15, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
The secondary didn’t run out of gas in the 2nd half of the season. They ranked 3rd all year long and only gave one 300 yard passing game.
It’s not backwards logic to say a stupid idea is stupid. It doesn’t make me a troll to say that you’ll never get the Gaither-like tackle you seek, that your team doesn’t NEED one, and that Gaither isn’t really available. These ideas make me right and 87% of voters wrong.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
Your reading skills fail you.
Gaither like tackle was not mentioned and this is big part of the reason why your comment was flirting with being troll.
I love your optimism in the Raiders offensive line though.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 15, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't you ever get tired of saying quippy little insults like, "Your reading skills fail you"
Only to then have your theory slapped down?
Well if I’m so wrong in what I inferred, who do you think the poll is talking about when the post is titled, “Coach Cable why aren’t we going after LOT Jared Gaither?” Gaither is the subject of the post. Is it really such a reading failure on my part to consider Gaither, or a comparable OT, to be the subject of the poll? You don’t think the poll is referring to a waived free agent, right?
I don’t have optimism in the Raiders offensive line. I have faith in my own managerial and reasoning skills. Saying the Raiders won’t go get Gaither (or a guy like him) doesn’t mean the line is set. It means Gather isn’t on the market and the Raiders don’t have enough ammunition to make a responsible purchase even if he was.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
To my understanding
All he was saying was that Gaithers is not on the market and the Raiders weren’t going to go after him. That is all he was saying unless I am mistaken.
You guys have what, I think 7 tackles. If you guys seriously think your going to trade for Gaithers when you have 7 tackles including 2 recently drafted rookies then that is pretty ridiculous.
Not only do you have plenty of tackles, you don’t even have the ammunition to do it. You lost your 1st rounder next year for Seymour, and a 2nd rounder isn’t going to do it. Unless your going to trade a 2012 1st rounder which I highly doubt, but then again Crazy Al does a lot of dumb stuff like that.
So in actuality, he is right. Logic would dictate that the Raiders wouldn’t go after Gaithers. It’s not a troll comment, it’s a logical one.
No he can point out whatever he wants, it just shows his class. Not once did Elvis say anything about the Raiders’ performance last year. So the best thing he could think of was trying to insult the Broncos which didn’t even work.
BroncoTillIDie = Nick Castillo
October 11, 2009: Remember the McD Fist Pump.
Xbox360 gamertag: SnipeMeHarder
Last Name: Ever First Name: Greatest
Yeah, Vader, chill with the profanity. There is a way to diss without it.
You too BroncoSillyDie, stop attempting to categorize all of us, like the dumb stereo-types out there. It’s like me saying that all Bronco fans own horses in their farm and say “I lliv da ferm laife wit mai horsies”. Yeha, exactly… It doesn’t make sense.
The RaiderLaker
my apologies
didnt mean to hurt anyone’s sensibilities, but i cant stand it when a troll starts throwin mud at me or my team.
normally my vocabulary is nothing short of extraordinary or exemplary, and usually tasteful, but the ol’ footballer in me comes out on here.
once again, i apologize to any RAIDER fans on here i offended, but u donkey fans can toss my dogs salad.
I'll Get Inside Your FACE!
by VaderBDCRaider on Jun 15, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
you're right
not all raider fans are like that, but that guy feeds right into those stereotypes.
BroncoTillIDie = Nick Castillo
October 11, 2009: Remember the McD Fist Pump.
Xbox360 gamertag: SnipeMeHarder
Last Name: Ever First Name: Greatest
i am going to criticize you, right now
you donkies roll here, start mouthing about our offseason musings and discussions, come in here insulting everyone, and then post some weak a$$ response when i get down to brass tacks?? his opinions??
first, read some of my other comments, jackaSS… i am for MARIO. i have repeatedly stressed that he (nor any other LT) would wanna block for JAFATBOY… i dinna think once i stated to try and grab gaither or any other LT… i like mario, i think he’ll do just fine..
u talk about intellectual conversation? do some background checking, before u start posting, asswipa…. ur lil friend came in here, talkin at us. i dont need to sound big and tough over a website, i am in life. i dont need to go into any reasons with u why, just let it be sufficient that my word is true. i obviously am not worried about what any donkey fan thinks, as i worry more about people i respect… dont try to match wits with ur betters, u’ve lost before i got started….. keep hidin behind ur keyboard nick castillo…. be an online gangsta… maybe ur tiny peepee will grow in and u’ll stop dribblin on ur balls.
I'll Get Inside Your FACE!
by VaderBDCRaider on Jun 15, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I've no doubt you are a brave man. Allow me to ask you a question, do you sleep next to a machete?
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 15, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
naw…. i dinna need a machete…. god gave me size and strength, and a nasty lil temper when pushed….
I'll Get Inside Your FACE!
by VaderBDCRaider on Jun 15, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
You truly are a class act. Thanks for your thoughts here and above. I wish I could get my two minutes back somehow.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
by Alex on Jun 15, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
wow, am i supposed to be offended?
cuz i am not…
I'll Get Inside Your FACE!
by VaderBDCRaider on Jun 15, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
once again classy.
your post contains little evidence and facts and just immature ranting and name calling. Is it impossible for you to have an intellectual debate without name calling? My bet is no. Seriously things like this:
keep hidin behind ur keyboard nick castillo…. be an online gangsta… maybe ur tiny peepee will grow in and u’ll stop dribblin on ur balls.
That is something I would expect from a middle schooler. Good luck with the season.
BroncoTillIDie = Nick Castillo
October 11, 2009: Remember the McD Fist Pump.
Xbox360 gamertag: SnipeMeHarder
Last Name: Ever First Name: Greatest
well, go back to MHR...
because your an orange troll that doesnt stimulate any type of intelligent conversation… u roll thru here, taking ur fellow donko’s back (which is respected, atleast u donko fans do have SOME balls), quite ignorantly, and proceed to sling mud at me… and then insult me with a juvenile tactic of pointing a finger? please, u look even more foolish. i shall not be goaded by the likes of you or your idiotic attempts to illicit a rise out of me. i could sit here and trade insults, yet i have more important things to do… its not really conducive to a productive day… and frankly, u and ur half assed attempts bore me. run along.
so, tell all those that pray to the blue and orange not to roll by here, attempting to start shit… u wanna come in a discuss, fine. u wanna come in and debate, fine. but dont roll in here insulting ANYONE…. We Raider fans fight back.
I'll Get Inside Your FACE!
by VaderBDCRaider on Jun 17, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions
You're a donkey fan, right? You've little credibility to begin with and have lost even that with your bilge
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
actually if you actually go to MHR (which I go to more nowadays) they are a very intelligent group of fans who are well-rounded in all of the NFL. I actually say that they have a lot of credibility and he makes perfect sense.
Why trade a second rounder when we have 6 offensive tackles on roster (counting in Langston Walker since he’s competing for it and Campbell because he’s supposed to be an OT in the future) who are in a fierce competition and already know the scheme?
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
by KA1Z3R on Jun 14, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Quantity means nothing; I'd be happy with 3 OT that are of qualtity ... it's doubful we have even one. Pehaphs Barnes or Walker
Are you considering becoming a Broncos fan? You were pretty high on Tiebow … guess I didn’t appreciate just how high
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Mario Henderson is one quality and I think if Walker legitimately wins the job in camp at RT then I consider him one as well. This is a young developing offense. The defense is set for instant success, the offense for long-term amazingness. We’ve basically a Baltimore setup going here and we’re following that course pretty well. Beating good teams with solid defense. Now we can beat teams with great defense and some offensive flair.
I don’t want to disrupt the growth of this offense, and certainly not with what has been stated as a penalty prone OT. We’re one RG competition away from possibly losing our last penalty prone man in Carlisle.
And I’m certainly no Denver fan, I just respect their fans (if only they made better team choice). They’re MUCH better than SD or KC fans. Also, I hated Tim Tebow with great passion and was hoping and praying we wouldn’t draft him. He’s Denver’s mistake now.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
Sounds like I'm not the only one in Denver with a man-crush on The Tebow...
"See that?" Bailey asks. "That’s Tebow. It’s long after practice and he’s still out there. That’s what he does. That’s not for show. He’s not just doing that because the media is here today. He does that every day."
"We’re all interested in it," Bailey says. "He has the team behind him. We heard so much about Tebow before he got here and he’s a big story. But everything he has shown shows that he can succeed. The guy just works at his job so much."
"I’m impressed," Bailey said. "I like what I see so far."
Several hours later, Tebow, who has routinely leads the charge in team sprints during practice, emerges from the extra field work and the classroom. His eyes light up when Tebow is told of the high praise coming from his high-profile teammate.
"That’s what I want," Tebow says. "It means so much that my teammates believe in me and know that I’m working hard. That’s why I’m here."
"It’s 24 hours football," Tebow said. "I love it. This is how I’m going to spend my summer."
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/13887/teammates-are-impressed-by-tebows-work-ethic
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
don't forget me and Sayre who campaigned for Tebow all through the draft process...
BroncoTillIDie = Nick Castillo
October 11, 2009: Remember the McD Fist Pump.
Xbox360 gamertag: SnipeMeHarder
Last Name: Ever First Name: Greatest
Well, I’d give you a pat on the back but both of your hands are in the way =) Haha welcome to the hole!
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
"Welcome to the Farm!!!" Will you say that if I go to your site for a friendly visit?
The RaiderLaker
Haha is "hole" offensive to Raiders fans?
Don’t you call it the black hole? I don’t even use words like Faiders. I think they’re stupid. I thought hole was allowed and not negative, really.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
The MHRs do a fine job of feigning intelligence. I, too, am occasionally fooled
but then, remember, they are Donkey’s fans, ruling that theory null and void.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
there’s occasional feigns, but every blog has that. For the most part they’re a bright group over there. Probably not representative of Bronco fans as a whole, but still, they’re the #1 sports blog in the world for a reason (statistically speaking, not personal opinion)
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
Your ignorance is shining bright...another window shopper?
I would dare any and all of you fader fans to go read the Mile Hight University series over at our blog (including comments) and tell me we don’t have some seriously intelligent dudes at MHR. Hey…you might actually learn a thing or two in the process. There’s a reason we have such great membership growth and exposure (regularly linked from espn…mentioned on Sportsnation, etc).
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
seriously?
dude, the only reason u have exposure is that SCHEFTER was once a reporter for the MILE HIGH POST, and he licks ur asses on espn… WHO’S THE FIRST TAKING SHOTS AT THE RAIDERS?? SCHEFTERS LITTLE MIDGET ASS, THATS WHO…
go sit up in mile high and play with his tiny balls, u stroke.
I'll Get Inside Your FACE!
by VaderBDCRaider on Jun 15, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
once again, always staying classy :)
BroncoTillIDie = Nick Castillo
October 11, 2009: Remember the McD Fist Pump.
Xbox360 gamertag: SnipeMeHarder
Last Name: Ever First Name: Greatest
by Nick Cast on Jun 15, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
see the comment above?
that was for u.
I'll Get Inside Your FACE!
by VaderBDCRaider on Jun 15, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Stay classy
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
for such intelligent folks, you couldn't catch my humor there?
I have the utmost respect for your blog and its posters. Indeed very intelligent and always an entertaining read.
You’d think a rival fan would pick up on my refusal to take a shot where applicable.
We almost unanimously welcome you all here, too, and enjoy the banter as well. I expected KA1 would reply, and an MHR as well. Thanks for not disappointing!
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Thank you for those comments
I’ve been visiting each blog in our division over the last week or so sort of as homework to do a post on the state of our division, a look at each team and its changes this off-season. Hopefully I won’t disappoint even it it’s not all a bed of roses.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
I am not sure you are open minded enough to do "homework"
as you seem set to your preconceived notions. I am more than ready to be proved wrong as I certainly appreciate your ambition and passion.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 16, 2010 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions
haha ok, I'll take that
I really wasn’t trying to imply this debate and this post was much a part of that. I only meant that I’ve been lurking and trying to learn. This post and all my time spent actually participating on it wasn’t really as much learning as much as it was me just being me.. full of debate and standing my ground. I do think I learned a little from it though.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
The distinction in debate (assuming sound reasoning) is based on the end in view
me just being me.. full of debate and standing my ground.
So, “winning” the debate is your end in view.
Has another possible ‘end’ ever occurred to you?
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 17, 2010 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions
edit "refusal to not take a shot, that is!"
Keep up the great work, guys. I suspect with a winning season or two our growth and enrichment will happen as well.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Thanks for sticking your neck out there
November, gentlemen. We go again to their house and we make it OUR MF house!! We take our Crown from those punks, not from around those punks! We take it in November and we protect it in January. Two wins. That's it. Take it!!!
the point of blogging is to state opions and create scenarios and place wishlist
i cant speak for everyone but for one i’d like to have gaither, and for starting statement up there gaither was taken from his spot fora rookie. then he suddenly was injured… and refused to sign his contract for as long as he could; its was a message to the ravens. you can argue he doesnt want to be a raven anymore and receiving a 2nd round pick for a ROT would be ideal when it accounts for a player who doesnt want to play for them, thats my argument. that does not mean we will get him for that, but thats a reasonable asking pric for any team, and again we would be better as a team with him. thats the message i got from this post…and thanks KAIZER for the backing us up, you are an amazing representative, actually i dont want to sound sarcastic STOP DOWNPLAYING THE SB&P SITE AND THE CONTRIBUTERS IF YOU LOVE THE MHR SO MUCH BE PART OF THEM AND SHUT UP ABOUT HOW GREAT THEY ARE ITS ANNOYING. IDC HOW “WELL ROUNDED” AND “INTELLIGENT” THEY ARE.
Hmmm, you lost me with yelling
Look, I think we all get the point of the post. And we get YOUR POINT, TOO. That doesn’t make either of them any smarter.
You argue that creating scenarios, debating their merits, and learning from them is what it’s all about. Your point, if I understand correctly, is that Gaither would make the team better. He would be an upgrade. And so it should be considered – that it’s reasonable to consider him. Well only sort of.
Patrick Willis is on my wish list for the Broncos. Our team would be better off with him at ILB. But Patrick Willis isn’t going to be traded to the Broncos. So I’m not going to waste my time writing a post and commenting on the possiblities, or lack thereof.
You guys want a great new OT on the roster. I get it. I just think it’s a stupid idea. It won’t happen. And I’m really getting a kick out of how much play this front page post gets on an idea that isn’t even reasonable. It’s even more entertaining to see how many of you just jumped right on the bandwaggon, as if you can really have Gaither.
You’re window shopping with no money. You’re at the stip club expecting sex. You’re in your Mercury dreaming of a Corvett while on your way to work at Burger King. None of this is reasonable thought.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
what's wrong with window shopping?
Don’t you ever window-shop? truly I tell you, that’s the way to buy smart – you window-shop, then go away, then come back, and if you really want to buy the item, you go for it. You do it at least three times. Take this from an experienced and savvy shopper.
by Spirals galore on Jun 14, 2010 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Worried?
Like a lot of teams and their fans out there, they are truely worried about us this year. We’ve made a lot of GREAT moves and now they have a lot to ponder.
Whatever makes you sleep better. I venture over to each of the AFC West boards fairly often. I don’t generally comment too much on them, I just like to learn what’s going on with my enemies. It makes me a better and more knowledged fan. I stopped and spent so much time here on this post, because I thought it was especially ignorant. I was surprised at the action it sees for being based on such a bad idea.
The Raiders, I believe, have improved. I believe you’ll finally get over that five win mark this year. I even really liked your first-round pick for the first time in a long time. But worried? No. I see you as a team that might take a win away from the Chargers, nothing more.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
Not worried
Our rivalry has always been hard fought no matter how horrible you’ve been. Your team is showing some signs of sanity this year. Yes, you’ve made some good moves. It is good to see our AFC West division start to grow some more teeth.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
That only makes sense if you have the ability to eventually buy. You don’t have a need and you don’t have the resources to make a responsible purchase. You can go back to this issue 12 times, it won’t get more reasonable.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
you really don't know shit about window-shopping, do you?
Don’t use a word if you don’t know its meaning.
by Spirals galore on Jun 14, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Your tone, it's all wrong
You don’t know anything about analogy’s do you? I’m using window shopping as an analogy, saying that it’s a waste of time to look at something (Gaither) through the window (on a fanpost) that you’ll never eventually be able to buy.
You’re actually talking about window shopping. I’m not here to hold hands and discuss bargains on a new Fendi purse.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
by Alex on Jun 14, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Red herring, straw man - you name it
Do not argue with a pro – go do your research first.
by Spirals galore on Jun 14, 2010 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
A pro? Do my research first?
In what world do you live where you think someone might get the impression that you’re somehow winning this debate? I’m sure your pals here might back you up, but no objective person would consider the two of our arguments in the same school.
Gaither is not a reasonable option for the Raiders. That’s the point. 87% of you think the Raiders should go after a guy like that. That will never happen. That’s the point. I’m right and you’re wrong. That point will be proven when Gaither plays for the Ravens this year and when you’re still working with what you have.
And no amount of stupid little comments like the one below about spelling and grammar is going to change those facts.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
You're forgetting something. If Al wants Gaither he'll be in Silver & Black at mile high on 10/24.
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
why is Gaither not a reasonable option for the Raiders, oh Sibyl?
by Spirals galore on Jun 14, 2010 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve already addressed that repeatedly. The fact that you and 87% of your friends can’t see that Gaither isn’t a reasonable “want” is the issue at hand. That’s why it’s so laughable.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
No, you have not.
Use Barbara syllogisms to explain what you men.
by Spirals galore on Jun 14, 2010 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
wait seriousely you have no arguement
ok lets look at it from our perspective;
gaither- was taken form his position(unhappy), trpped into the team (signed when he absolutely had to), and he faked an injury last yrear…. these are facts an arguement, from those fact you conclude he does not want to be a raven, and the organization has to see it. of course he wasnt traded during the draft he didnt have a contract signed! cmon guy get serious… now why would the ravens trade him to the raiders? just because elvisalex says so? no i dont think it works like that and stop acting high and mighty i see through it
check your spelling, too
And if you ever need grammar lessons, come to GiGi – www.christotechne.com
by Spirals galore on Jun 14, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
elvisalex is panicking, he's panicking! Wow! I've never seen one break down before us and in our blog nonetheless.
I can tell he sees the truth of what will happen with his Broncos this upcoming season. (we will sweep him)
(I don’t care about Gayther) Regardless, I can see you quivering if this does go down so you basically want to deny such a Scenario, such blasphemy that someone can top your very own Clady. “Impossible!!!!!!!!!!!”- elvisalex
It is not impossible whatsoever… chill, it’s not like we wrote a post about: “Can we trade for Peyton Manning?” so plase shut you mouth!
The RaiderLaker
Yeah, you nailed him JJ
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions
He's just happy he's being acknowledged
Once we stop responding to him he’ll move on to the SD or KC blog
You’ve got me all wrong. The only reason I’m even still here is that I don’t like to leave while being debated. I didn’t want to give the impression that any one of you actually had a point that sunk or that won – even a point that was worth pointing out as far as I can tell.
I generally stick to my own house. And if you’ll notice, I’m no troll sitting here calling you names and throwing F Bombs. I’m simply standing my ground that this is a stupid post based on an idea that will never happen.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
I actually enjoy bantering with you
So do come back, by all means. I’ll take you on any time.
by Spirals galore on Jun 14, 2010 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Snappy little comments. Just remember that I was right and that 87% of you were wrong about your own team.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
No. I’m saying that Rome wasn’t built in a day. You won’t fix everying in one off-season, and spending all this time talking about bringing in a high-priced OT from a team that needs him (after the draft has already happened and the team can’t really replace him now) is just dumb. It’ll never happen. That doesn’t mean you’re not action packed with issues on that side of the trench. And it doesn’t mean that Campbell or Jared are sure to work out, only that there’s no way in hell that you’ll sign a guy like Gaither right now.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
Good point, I thought the same too, but all the hype got to me.
There is a reason why we didn’t get him way before (near draft time) and Hue Jackson should’ve jumped on it too by lobbying for him when he was available, but now I don’t see it, since it’s close to pre-season. But who knows?…
The RaiderLaker
elvisalex, It's hard not to fix "everything" in one offseason, when that "everything" is just one more thing to fix.
The RaiderLaker
Plus your Bronco team is on the decline, no way Bailey hasn't lost two steps now.
Plus many other old dudes make up your D. You guys have lots to fix! the Marshall gap needs fixing. the QB is shaky. who is your TE? heard Sheffler got traded. who are your stand outs on the D-line other than Dumervile?
The RaiderLaker
Their HC is dubious but they do have a good OC now with Weis - at least he will
help pose a challenge to our now formidable defense.
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait! They dont' have Weis - that's KC. Oh, well, Denver is truly in decline
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
The old men in our backfield had the 3rd ranked pass defense last year. They only gave up one 300 yard game all season. Champ never gave up a touchdown all season. And Dawkins led the team in tackles from the safety position while in a cast. These guys can lose two steps and still be absolutely elite. Plus, we’ve been bringing in rookies behind them over the last two years. We have depth, quality depth.
The run defense was the problem. We replaced our run-stopping ILB and each of our three linemen. We brought in rather high-priced, high-profile veterans at each of those three positions.
The linebacking core has two first-rounder that had to learn a new position last year. They had to learn to stand up as a linebacker after being a lineman in college. These are first round picks (one in ‘07, one in ’09). They’ve progressed very well.
The defense ranked 7th last year. They’ll be much better this year. Our starting offense is all young. Not including Tebow (Orton is the starter), the average age of our starting offense is less than 25. And they have an average draft position of round two.
People get lost in the idea that we ditched the trouble makers over the last two years. They forget that we just drafted four 1st rounders and four 2nd rounders in the last two years. We are a very solid team, and the most improved in the division, IMO.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
by Alex on Jun 14, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You have got to be the apologist of the year for the Donkeys
- all in favor say, “Aye.”
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
ugghh that is enough
i cant bare to read anymore of your BS, its disgusting me… so thomas is going to replace marshall? and tebow is going to replace cutler? and nosean is the answer? your offense is nowhere near what it was two years ago or even last year, yeah champ is a hall of famer and yeah so is dawkins but lets see what theses guys are going to do this season at the age of 31 and 36, respectively. Because if they both go down, there is no way in hell your going to convince you have guys ready to step in and do what they can do…and im done
Whoops, missed a couple
Richard Quinn was drafted as Scheffler’s replacement in ‘09 (2nd round guy that we traded up to grab). Jamal Williams stands out on the line. He’s an elite nose guard that we stole from the Chargers. I wrote this post on him over at MHR. He’s truly elite, well rested, and huge.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
take exception with your theory (presented as an axiom) "Defensive linemen are warriors. The more battles they fight, the less fight they have in them."
wtf
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
so ur right because u say u are??
u live in ur own world, huh? thats cool. we debate things on here because we love the RAIDERS… we dont go to ur site sayin y’all are dumb because ur posts asks if Tebow will be winner…. we sit over here and discuss what we would hypothetically (means pretend, kinda like ur reality) do if we were in charge of the org…. we dont mind a little banter, hell we dont really mind if u sling mud, but when u get squashed in an argument, dont start using unrealistic logic to support ur premises… ur arguments invalid, u look like an ass calling us stupid, ur premises are weak, and ur breath smells like Tebows nuts and McDaniels ass… i’m just sayin.
I'll Get Inside Your FACE!
by VaderBDCRaider on Jun 15, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I haven’t called anyone stupid. The idea that Gaither is a realistic possiblility is stupid. I’m right because untold history will eventually side with me. Gaither will play for the Ravens and the Raiders will play with what they have. That’s enough vindication for me.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
your words....
“I’m not even a Raiders fan, and yet I’m smarter about your team than 87% of you. Say what you want, at the end of the day I’m right and nearly nine in ten of you are wrong about your own team. It’s sad, really.” your quote, right? i mean i took it from ur post…. soooooo, if ur smarter about our team than us, than that begs the question, how smart are we if u are smarter than us??? u intentionally candy-coat ur words, like a politician… take a stance, draw ur guns, and stick to em son, u’ll get more respect here. ONCE AGAIN, I NEVER WANTED GAITHER… I LIKE MARIO, HE WILL DO FINE THIS YEAR… And the “DEMON DUTCHMAN” will be comin around in a year or two… we all good at tackle…. i’d wanna see about a quality center, or a stud guard to bolster the right side, train the noobs, and provide that stable veteran leadership our line needs…. khalif and campbell and the other tackles gettin work at guard are just that, tackles takin reps at guard. i dont want T.O., every regular here knows i dont want him… I think Al maybe learned something after RANDY MOSS, JAVON WALKER, DEANGELO HALL, SEYMOUR, GIBRIL WILSON, WARREN SAPP, BLAH BLAH BLAH… good free agent malcontents arent always good for your team….
I'll Get Inside Your FACE!
by VaderBDCRaider on Jun 15, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Glad to see you’re in the 13% minority, bud =)
We’re pretty much on the same page. For what it’s worth, I think your OL layout seems like a reasonable approach.
And yes, your point wasn’t lost on me. I come dangerously close to calling people stupid without ever actually calling them stupid. As for my stance, I think this post is stupid, but then again, I’ve said that plenty.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
It's a little too long a visit, don't you think?
And you do begin to overbear.
by Spirals galore on Jun 15, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude.... we have a 2nd round pick next year. (we can add a 4th)
How do we not have the resources to get him?
The RaiderLaker
And you have a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th in 2012. That doesn’t make it likely that you’ll blow it all to get a guy that you don’t need.
Besides, are you really suggesting that the Raiders kick out a 2nd and a 4th for an OT? That would leave you with one 3rd rounder in the first four rounds. Ridiculous. You guys are all getting nuttier and nuttier.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
Yeah, but thats it, we would be a complete team if we just fixed the O-line now.
Now you are just hating… we already fixed the D-line by bringing in a hard-nosed rook in Lamarr Houston(DE) and DT/NT John Henderson. (we have Seymour) plus McClain. The only hole now is the O-line, after that we are SB bound.
The RaiderLaker
Haha pretty optimistic
I’ll give you McClain. That man is a stud. He’ll be the heart and soul of your defense for the next decade or more. Houston was a great choice and should be immediately productive, but Henderson will take time, IMO.
The idea here is that you no longer have any glaring holes other than the line. I get that. But you’ve got to give these guys time to pan out or ship out before spending another high-resource there. Campbell was projected in the first-round. He could end up being a stud in a year from now. Jared was a small school kid that might end up being a steal. You look at the guy and he seems like a TE until you find out how much he weighs. His athleticism could really shine an a year or two.
Anyway, like I said, I get the idea that OL seems like your only real hole left. But that doesn’t in any way mean you won’t need additional upgrades before talking about the Lombardi.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
by Alex on Jun 14, 2010 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right, we address the biggest need as it is presented. And, Al gets whatever he aims at
Thank you for honing the issue more precisely. You don’t believe Al can get Gaither if he wants to and we know otherwise. That’s all there is to it.
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I CAN go get a case of beer and drink it all. But that would ruin my tomorrow. Al Davis isn’t going to go throw the bank at OT, it doesn’t matter that he could.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
Racer5? I wouldn't care about the tomorrow.
by Spirals galore on Jun 14, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
It's beer.
"I came back with an I-Don't-Care attitude. If I had an open shot, I was taking it."
--The Robert Horry
I bleed Purple N' Gold and Silver N' Black... because of this rare condition, I am no longer allowed to donate to the Red Cross.
by The_Power_and_the_Glory_of_Robert_Horry on Jun 14, 2010 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
"but Henderson will take time, IMO." Then will Jamal have a hard time adjusting also with you guys?
Btw I don’t know why ppl are saying that John can’t play anymore (apparently just because we picked him up) when he’s 31 as compared to your very own 34 y.o Jamal.
I believe John will have a nice impact on our D just as Jamal will to yours…
The RaiderLaker
I misspoke with Henderson, I had the wrong guy in mind
I don’t know anything about Henderson.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
Former Jacksonville Jag DT/NT 2 time Pro Bowler...
On the decline, no doubt, but hopefully solid for us.
The RaiderLaker
LMAO
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
LmAO? Don't mask your fear with laughing.
We will sweep. Because your dangerous offenive weapons are non-existant now.
The RaiderLaker
We're building a dynasty..
QB Tim Tebow – 22 – 1st round
WR D. Thomas – 22 – 1st round
WR Eddie Royal – 24 – 2nd round
WR Eric Decker – 23 – 3rd round
RB K. Moreno – 22 – 1st round
TE R. Quinn – 23 – 2nd round
Offensive Line:
LT Ryan Clady – 23 – 1st round
OG Chris Kuper – 27 – 5th round
OC JD Walton – 23 – 3rd round
OG Zane Beadles – 23 – 2nd round
RT Ryan Harris – 25 – 3rd round
We will be swept by nobody.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
david thomas
is he doing well in camp?
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
by patriotguy2 on Jun 15, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
*Demarius
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
by patriotguy2 on Jun 15, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
He fits the description of a talented rookie – great circus-like catches in traffic & dropped some simpler passes.
Coaches seem happy and defensive backs have had some nice things to say. It’s still too early to tell if he’ll adjust well to running pro routes (he only had three routes to run in college).
"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..."
by Alan_Smithee on Jun 15, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, what Alan said. He’s only had about six practices now (had a foot injury he was letting heal before he too the field). In those practices he’s made some amazing catches and his route running has actually been complimented already. Our DC has already told the defense they need to do better at accounting for the offense’s “new toy”. McDaniels has already said “he’s who we thought he was”. That’s a lot coming from McDaniels.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
???
I was laughing at elvis’ comment about the window shopping guy…hilarious
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
haha she's actually a girl
Hence the comment about her being cute. Hope you didn’t think I was talking about a boy lol
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
yep.
I enjoyed bantering with you. This other guy – Sadaraine – jumped in in an untoward fashion, so it was not pleasurable to engage.
You guys have to revise your prejudices about the Raiders, as well as your opinions about yourselves as abnormally intelligent. I spent quite a bit of time today on your blog and din’t feel the urge to sign up. (Said with an irresistibly charming smile.)
by Spirals galore on Jun 16, 2010 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Well since I'm such a happy morning person..
I’ll take that. (How could I not after such a great smile.)
Truly, I think we all got a little lost in this post. I would argue that I don’t have predjudices against the Raiders, at least not moreso than other AFC rivals. I’ve even said in this post that I believe the Raiders to be an improved team. And the whole, “I’m smarter than you” thing, well, it was really just more of a way of getting under a little skin. It wasn’t meant in general, but only as it applies to whether or not Gaither is a viable/reasonable option.
Tell me the truth, you signed up didn’t you :)
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
You are perhaps smarter than the average donky fan, but that isn't saying much. You must be 1) either naive
2) ignorant, or 3) a deeply worried Denver supporter who fears the Raiders already and dreads their acquisition of a key element in their composite. I’m inclined to #3.
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
the difference although is that there is no anomasity between patrick and the 9ers nor is there a contract trap on him
patrick doesnt want out, but for you opnion i was not yelling i dont raise my voice i was just speaking with strong annoyance
all I’m saying is that MHR isn’t a bad site and it’s a great site if you want to know the in’s-an-out’s of the Denver Broncos. It’s a good read and a nice changeup.
As for backing up this site, I love this site, but I just don’t like the direction it’s going. Maybe things will get better when training camp comes around, maybe not. For the time being I think I’ll take a brief hiatus from here till the tensions go away and hope that things will change. Maybe then both thepunisher and I can feel alright to come back here and comment.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
Probably going through some adolescence adjustment. Could this tension of yours have something to do with puberty?
Maybe a man to man talk with a strong male role model would help. I’m here for you and I’m sure others on this Blog would be willing to reach out to you in your apparent crisis.
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 15, 2010 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Could this tension of yours have something to do with
your overwhelming self-absorption? Why can’t you just leave some people be, we are all the Raider Nation, including the people who disagree with me or you. Get over yourself you Ego Maniac.
"When you believe in yourself......you will conquer many of your fears before they even manifest."
"Understanding your role and the role of others around you will be extremely beneficial to your development as a player (person). Make it a point to learn something new with each day."
On comparing yourself to others: "Don't let that be your thought. It will cloud your focus and your performance will suffer because you start to lose your confidence. Just go out there and be the best (player) you can possibly be and let the stuff you can't control work itself out. It always does."
"Don't be afraid of the moment, because it doesn't last forever."
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by DarthDavis on Jun 15, 2010 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
wow you’re going there. First off, I’ve went through puberty and pretty much did at age 13 (I have an ungodly metabolism). My tension is having to put up with someone who acts like he owns this site and that his opinion is superior to all.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
by KA1Z3R on Jun 15, 2010 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, for him to have a man-to-man talk with you would require you be able to talk, which means you would have to spit your nuts out of your mouth. Then you wouldn’t be much of a man any more…kind of a vicious circle.
Man…now I see why KA1Z3R is so bent. You are a real ego case. Your site’s loss. KA1Z3R is a great blogger (even if he is a fader fan). It is pretty sad that you can’t even treat your own fellow fans with some level of respect.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
by sadaraine on Jun 15, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
KA1Z3R *was* a great blogger
I am stunned at how weak he actually is. Scary.
by Spirals galore on Jun 15, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
and here I was thinking you were nice neutral ground.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
I think I told you this morning what you should do
But no, you obviously like the role of victim, at least for now. And that’s what stuns me.
by Spirals galore on Jun 15, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
no KA1z3R
you know what all the tension is all about, and the raiders team is oging to back me up, its all the shots we get as a team im tired of being labeled what we are this generation ppl are convinced we are the weak link, the fat on the meat that needs to get cut off, and this offseason has been sooo amazing it cant be real and noone seems to understand it. now idk about anyone else but i protect this team to the death and now i cant wait for the season when the raiders protect their own…..we we’ll show up opening day thats all i have to say
you should go and read his post at the Asinine site
They all mock him, and he is not even aware.
by Spirals galore on Jun 15, 2010 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Good to see you here in the hole
I’ve actually enjoyed my time here, but these guys (and girl) can be pretty brutal.
Tough to keep track at times, too. A.D.D. kicks in at times and they start debating shopping and puberty lol
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
What's wrong with ADD? Next you'll be bashing anorexia
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 15, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
being more patient
Gaither didn’t sign his tender until he had no choice one week before the June 15 deadline. Rather than get $400K (if he hadn’t signed) he took the tendered $2.4 million. He wanted to be traded b/c he was displaced by Oher at LT. Baltimore had him out there for 6 months – wanting a 1st rounder. Baltimore was prepared to deal him off and what’s really changed in Baltimore since last week? Nothing that I’m aware of.
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I think you're missing the point with all of your donkey comments and the talk about Gaither being unhappy
In both cases… What difference does it make? Neither changes the fact that the draft has come and gone, that the Ravens have no real way of replacing their starting RT if they were to move him at this point, and the Raiders don’t have much to offer anyway. Add in the fact that the Raiders drafted two OT’s in the first four rounds of the draft, and I just don’t see how you can’t see that Gaither isn’t even a sliver of an option.
My being a Bronco fan doesn’t affect the fact that your post and opinion don’t make sense. Getting a guy like Gaither seems like a noble goal… Two months ago. But that ship has sailed. As for Gaither not being unhappy, well, it’s not exactly unique, 200 RFA’s accross the league are in the same boat, waiting the same length of time to sign tenders, and are stuck going to work without a new contract.
November, gentlemen. We go again to their house and we make it OUR MF house!! We take our Crown from those punks, not from around those punks! We take it in November and we protect it in January. Two wins. That's it. Take it!!!
Yes, we drafted to OLinemen who playe "OT" in college but one is being trained for Guard (Campbell). This talk of
ships having sailed must be romantic for you, being landlocked as you are in CO, but means jack. One example, we brought in a DE last September who started immediately.
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
You're killing me smalls
Do you really still not get it? In high-school I dated a small town teen beauty queen. That doesn’t mean I should expect to date a beauty queen every year. You boys went out and signed Richard Seymour last year because you were desperate. You were so desperate that you gave a first-round pick for a guy in his last contract year. You’re now paying him franchise money and have not yet made any substantial progress in getting him to stay in Oakland. And this guy, this situation is the example you use as to why you should make another desperate move? A desperate move at a position you’re not desperate at?
One example, we brought in a DE last September who started immediately.
P.S. I’m not stupid. Did you think that wording it like that would sound impressive? That I wouldn’t know you were talking about Seymour? No crap he started right away.
Oh, and I’m not land locked. I don’t live in Colorado. Assumptions make you look more foolish than you already do.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
The Seymour reference was intended to be cryptic (Hah!). Why do you believe that our OT position isn't even an issue?
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t say it’s not an issue; I said it’s not a desperate need. My point is, and always has been that Gaither isn’t an option for you. The Ravens aren’t going to trade their starting right tackle to you after the draft has already passed. They have no way to replace him now, and no reason to beleive they need to. There is no reason to believe he’s going to give them headaches or hold out of the season. They’re comfortable. Why would they all the sudden create a problem to deal with?
There’s no trade talk from the Ravens. There’s no tough talk from Gaither. There’s no necessity for the Raiders.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
why is there a "no necessity" for the Raiders?
by Spirals galore on Jun 14, 2010 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
The team doesn’t need (“necessity”) a high-priced OT right now. The fans just want a shinny new toy.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
Nothing
My point is, and has always been, that it’s just not a reasonable “want”. That it won’t happen. That it’s no different than sitting here talking about knocking boots with Jessica Alba. Sure, we’d all like to, but it’s not happening.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
You are a paper pusher.
You have never window-shopped, have you. Some of the smartest purchases happen through window-shopping.
by Spirals galore on Jun 14, 2010 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you still talking about shopping? I don’t want to go shopping with you.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
I'm starting to like you. Defect! become a Raider! I believe you deserve better than what
you’ve settled for. What was it? The accident of mere geography? Or an unnatural attraction to Elway?
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
You could come visi us, and we then will go skiing at Alpine
by Spirals galore on Jun 14, 2010 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
let's go to the slopes
and you promise not to slam onto me
by Spirals galore on Jun 14, 2010 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Why do you fear snowboarders? They are slower than skiers - like
an Nissan SUV compared to a Kawasaki Ninja. Just avoid their random incontinent movements or, better yet, stay well ahead of them.
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, but I witnessed an incontinent snowboarder
slam onto a skier at Heavenly, just for the heck of it.
by Spirals galore on Jun 14, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Most of us believe otherwise. Oh btw, we also plan on adding Haynesworth to the DL
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Spelling too - man, you are in dire need of help...
by Spirals galore on Jun 14, 2010 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
you should try The Bar Method
It trains your muscles so your fingers are less likely to mistype.
by Spirals galore on Jun 14, 2010 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions
U keep repeating yourself. . .
All you’ve said is that we don’t need him okay we get it … in your opinion we don’t need Giather. Thx for your opinion
Yep, that pretty much sums it up
That’s the reason I stopped here and engaged. I think not only do you not need him, but that you’ll never get him – that this post is pointless in the fact that it’s discussing the possibility of a near impossiblity.
You may as well have a post on the front page discussing the possibilities of bringing in Peyton Manning. It’s probably just about as relevant.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
Wow...that was...
something.
If the Colts were shopping Manning, I think a post about acquiring him would be an excellent platform for and interesting off-season discussion.
You talk about the high price of adding Gaither, but it comes down to the point of what will the Ravens take for the services of Gaither for 1 year, because he is most assuredly not re-signing with them. I don’t think it’d take the ransom, that you seem to think it will.
The Raiders have more than enough resources to bring the Ravens to the table. It doesn’t mean they should or that they will, but simply that it is a possibility.
To say that the Raiders have no need for a 26 year old elite level LT, because they just drafted tackles in the 3rd and 4th round is ludicrous. If, in the off-chance two tackles taken in the 3rd and 4th round turn out to be legit starters, then trade one.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 14, 2010 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
If the Colts were shopping Manning, I think a post about acquiring him would be an excellent platform for and interesting off-season discussion.
Yeah, me too. But the Colts aren’t shopping Manning anymore than the Ravens are shopping Gaither. Once upon a time, there were rumors that he was on the block, that the Bills were interested. Once the draft passed, the chances of him leaving passed, also. This is a point that can’t be overstated. This guy was the starting LT for the Ravens. He’s now switched to their starting RT.
Gaither signed his tender. He’s practiced with the team. In essence, he blinked. He will play. The Ravens have a “win now” team. They’re probably a top three team on just about every power ranking. Would you, if you were in charge, trade your starting RT to the Raiders? No? No, neither would I. Especially not after the draft has come and gone and with no way to replace Flaco’s right side protection.
As for whether your two new tackles will work out.. time will tell, not you or me. But those decisions were made already. It’s also worth noting that the middle rounds is where most good OG’s are taken (many of them OT’s turned OG). As for your tackle making it, we got our right tackle in the 3rd round. And he’s terrific.
To say that the Raiders have no need for a 26 year old elite level LT, because they just drafted tackles in the 3rd and 4th round is ludicrous.
No, it’s not. You’re confusing need with want. You don’t need an elite tackle that you can’t have. You just want him.
P.S. I would have thought that you had learned your lesson with Seymour – that it’s not generally wise to give so much for a guy in his last contract year. Now you’re paying Seymour as a franchised player just to keep him for the 2nd year. What do you think would happen with Gaither? He already wants a new contract.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
The Ravens are still shopping Gaither
Here is one quick link I found. So there goes the whole first part of your response.
Nice point about the guards going in the middle round. As it was pointed out to you, one of the Tackles the Raiders drafted is being worked out at guard. Nice point about something that wasn’t in debate and actually helped illustrate why Gaither would make sense for the Raiders, since they possibly only drafted one tackle this year.
Clady is terrific and he was drafted in the 3rd round pick. Great job. Irrelevant to our conversation though. it’d be foolish to expect that and even more foolish to not entertain the thoughts of acquiring someone of Gaither’s level because of it. Even if he was, the Raiders would then be counting on either Mario or Campbell solidifying the other spot.
No, it’s not. You’re confusing need with want. You don’t need an elite tackle that you can’t have. You just want him.
Let’s see…first, the biggest need on offense looks to be Tackle. At least many of us feel this way, but that was part of the point of this post. Second, the Raiders could get him. There are all kinds of trade packages they could put together to get him. Again, I think you think the price is higher than what it is. I found this dated May 31st.
The Ravens will only trade RT Jared Gaither for a second-round draft choice or better, according to ESPN’s John Clayton
This is what the Ravens are demanding now, but maybe they’ll lower their price when they don’t get that or maybe they’d entertain an offer for a swap of players. Maybe even a player such as Richard Seymour and a later round pick. Any way you slice it, I’d say it’s foolish to say they can’t have him. They have already admitted they would trade him for a 2nd and the Raiders have that to offer. Now if they should or not is certainly debatable. You know where a good spot is to debate feasible trade options…? This blog.
Now your PS: We’ve established that they wouldn’t need to pay as steep as price as they did for Seymour so that’s pretty much a non-issue. Nice response though, really.
Now, personally I am hesitant to trade for Gaither, because of his contract status and his agent and his questionable work ethic. Others here don’t think it’d be a problem. And we all have faith that Davis doesn’t lose the players he like to free agency, but would Gaither be worth that long term money? Who knows? It is a good debate, though. One maybe even worthy of a post.
Also, you keep saying you are smarter than %87 of the fans here because of the poll. You say this, because you claimed Gaither was not attainable and for other reasons I just disproved. So, even if you want to stick to those misconceptions, I think you should go back and read what the poll actually asks.
Can you feel that?
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 15, 2010 4:02 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd for awesome Ace Ventura reference!
and for a response that I completely agree with.
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
Tomatoes, TomAtoes. On the same date of your link, National Football Post says, “he’s expected to play for the Ravens this year”. A knock-your-socks-off offer could maybe change that (doubtful since they don’t have a replacement), but it won’t come from the Raiders. That’s the point here. You keep talking about the idea that you can. Who cares what you can do? I’m not interested in knowing that any team in the NFL has the ability to trade for virtually any player it wants. The Patriots could throw together a big enough package to trade for Aaron Rodgers. Is it true? Absolutely. Certainly. Again, though, who cares? The point is that it’s not reasonable or likely.
Moving on, Clady was drafted in the first round. I was talking about Harris. But I’ll concede the point that it’s not normal for a third round tackle to play at such a high level… provide you’ll concede that it’s not exactly a four leaf clover either.
This is what the Ravens are demanding now
No it’s not. They’re not demanding anything. Clayton is just saying there’s no way they part with him for less than a 2nd rounder OR MORE. Clayton doesn’t in any way imply that the Ravens are looking to move him. In fact, the full quote cited goes on to say, “I don’t see the Bills or another team doing that (offering a 2nd rounder, OR MORE) at this stage.”
Personally, I still just don’t see how you guys can think that an all but assured SB contender is going to deal its young stud RT right before training camp with no imminent replacement on the roster. It just doesn’t make any sense. Contrary to your implication, Clayton doesn’t see it likely either.
They have already admitted they would trade him for a 2nd and the Raiders have that to offer.
Nope. Show me where they said they would trade their starting RT AFTER THE DRAFT. And again, to continue on with the “who cares” theme… Who cares that the Raiders have a 2nd round pick left? Are you really suggesting that it would be reasonable and prudent to use it – leaving a 3rd rounder as your only pick in the first four rounds? No? No, me neither. So again, who cares that you still have one pick in the first two rounds.
As for the tail of your comment, you didn’t disprove anything. All you keep pointing at is that the Raiders could package a deal to get you this tackle that so many of you want. And I keep saying in return… who cares? That was never the point. The point is that Gaither isn’t a need and it’s not a responsible or likely move. There’s nothing to suggest that the Ravens are actually looking to move him, and there’s nothing to suggest your management is actually looking to gain him.
I just don’t know how to make my point more clear. I don’t give a shit what you and every other team in the NFL can do. My point has always been about what you won’t do.
You won’t go out and mortgage your future again on another player that’s in his last contract year, a player whose team doesn’t really want or need to give him up, a player who’s already unhappy with his contract.
Nice illustration. It made me laugh. Arrogant, given the fact that you never stuck a point, but funny nonetheless.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
Excerpts from a Baltimore Sun article that was published just yesterday
…what has bothered some members of the coaching staff is that Gaither acts as if he really doesn’t want to be around the team.
There is speculation that Gaither wants a new contract, but that isn’t going to happen. There was trade talk about Gaither during the offseason, but no team wanted to ante up anything for him because of past and current problems.
The Ravens are stuck. If Gaither wants to play, then the Ravens are in good shape. If not, they’ll move bulked-up guard Marshal Yanda to tackle and insert Chris Chester at right guard. The concern is, what happens if Yanda or Oher get hurt? The Ravens are in real trouble again because backup tackle Oniel Cousins isn’t ready mentally or physically to be a starter.
This team would be much better if Gaither got it together, but until he grows up, the Ravens should keep their options open about trading him.
by Spirals galore on Jun 15, 2010 6:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Gaither's getting advice from his agent (Rosenthall) who will be talking with Al today (imo)
bq “…but until he grows up, the Ravens should keep their options open about trading him.”
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 15, 2010 6:28 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s nice to know a reporter thinks they should keep their options open. This situation with Gaither isn’t unique, though. It’s wide spread and far worse at other teams where RFA’s are actually refusing to sign tenders and preparing for a hold out (like San Diego).
He’ll eventually learn that now that he’s signed his tender, he has to play ball. He’s in a contract year, so he’ll eventually learn that his performance this year will dictate his options for next year. Again, this situation isn’t nearly as bad as others accross the league.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
... let the squirming begin
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 15, 2010 6:35 AM PDT up reply actions
agreed elvis. When it all comes down to it, Gaither will play because he wants more money and more options.
Plus why would the Raiders bring in a disgruntled player with low maturity? Isn’t that we worked so hard to prevent with the release of Russell?
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
Ladies and Gentleman, the king has left the building.
Show me where they said they would trade their starting RT AFTER THE DRAFT
Um…May 31st is after the draft. In light of the way this year’s draft played out though, it is apparent the Broncos thought the draft came earlier than expected.
I put that quote first, because it helps illustrate the fallacies in your following assertions, which serve as nothing, but an ends to highlight the process you have used internally to desperately hold onto to the feelings that you are showing Raider fans reality. The rest of your sad attempts at spin control shall appear in order.
"he’s expected to play for the Ravens this year". A knock-your-socks-off offer could maybe change that (doubtful since they don’t have a replacement),
What? They are asking for a 2nd. This is hardly the foundation for a knock you socks off platform.
Also, as Spirals pointed out they have a back-up plan and are preparing for the possible reality that his services may not be fully available to them this year.
The Patriots could throw together a big enough package to trade for Aaron Rodgers.
How is this a point? Rodgers isn’t on the market with the sticker price of a 2nd.
But I’ll concede the point that it’s not normal for a third round tackle to play at such a high level… provide you’ll concede that it’s not exactly a four leaf clover either.
A 3rd rounder does not make the kind of money or invoke the sentiment of investment value to warrant forgoing passing on a proven commodity. Also, and more importantly, that is only one tackle.
Now, some here like Henderson and some don’t. Which is another reason and point of validity to the necessity of this post.
Personally, I still just don’t see how you guys can think that an all but assured SB contender is going to deal its young stud RT right before training camp with no imminent replacement on the roster.
Because it has been made public knowledge that they would trade him and again as Spiral pointed out they have a back-up plan in the works.
Are you really suggesting that it would be reasonable and prudent to use it – leaving a 3rd rounder as your only pick in the first four rounds?
If he was signed to a long-term deal and it was felt he would work hard to fulfill it, then yes. An elite level LT age 26 is worth a 2nd round pick.
The point is that Gaither isn’t a need
I am not sure you read my whole comment, or anything else on this site, if you feel that way.
There’s nothing to suggest that the Ravens are actually looking to move him
Actually, there is a lot to suggest this and links have been provided to you.
and there’s nothing to suggest your management is actually looking to gain him.
There never is with the Raiders. This is how they operate. Accurate information very seldom gets leaked. The fact that they haven’t been mentioned in anything but speculation involving this trade, is better evidence towards the fact that they are interested than they are not. The Raiders get linked to stories like this, because other teams use them as leverage. They know the Raiders will not refute the bogus claims of their interests or offers.
You won’t go out and mortgage your future again on another player that’s in his last contract year
They could easily have a long term contract agreed to before completing the trade. As I mentioned and you failed to acknowledge the Raiders could also send the Ravens a player(s) and a pick(s).
Arrogant, given the fact that you never stuck a point
I figured things would work out in your head that way, which is why I suggested that you re-read the poll question.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 15, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hello McFly???
Um…May 31st is after the draft.
May 31st is the date of a quote from Clayton saying the Ravens would only part with Gaither for a 2nd rounder. So telling me May 31st is after the draft doesn’t in any way answer the challenge you were given. Which was…
Show me where they said they (the Ravens) would trade their starting RT AFTER THE DRAFT
Next..
What? They are asking for a 2nd.
Focus. No they aren’t. They’re not asking for anything. There’s no reason to believe they even want to trade him. Clayton says they won’t for less than a 2nd. Nobody ever said they actually will. The Ravens aren’t asking for anything. The Ravens aren’t asking for anything. The Ravens aren’t asking for anything. Show me where they said they would trade their starting RT after the draft.
Also, as Spirals pointed out they have a back-up plan and are preparing for the possible reality that his services may not be fully available to them this year.
Again. Fail. Fail. Fail. No, she pointed out an article where a reporter thought the Ravens should keep their options open. You keep using reporters’ opinions as Ravens management talking. It doesn’t matter what a beat reporter in Baltimore thinks. There’s nothing to suggest they have the backup plan that the reporter thinks they should have. They didn’t draft a high an OT in the early rounds. They didn’t bring in a high-profile free agent as insurance (like the chargers did in bringing in Thomas as insurance against McNeil’s hold out). A reporter saying they should have a backup plan is not a backup plan. How do you not get how wrong and misleading you’re making all those quotes???
How is this a point? Rodgers isn’t on the market with the sticker price of a 2nd.
NEITHER IS GAITHER!!! Why can’t you see that?? Show me where they said they (the Ravens) would trade their starting RT AFTER THE DRAFT. Show me where they said they (the Ravens) would trade their starting RT AFTER THE DRAFT!!!
He’s not on the trading block. Clayton saying that he wouldn’t be traded for less than a 2nd, doesn’t mean the Ravens are looking to trade him. A beat reporter saying the Ravens should have a backup plan doesn’t mean shit either.
Because it has been made public knowledge that they would trade him and again as Spiral pointed out they have a back-up plan in the works.
Fail. Fail. Fail. Show me where they said they (the Ravens) would trade their starting RT AFTER THE DRAFT!!! And NO, NO, NO. Spiral pointed out that a reporter thinks they should have a backup plan. What don’t you get? THat reporter doesn’t work for the team.
I am not sure you read my whole comment, or anything else on this site, if you feel that way.
Need means necessity. It’s not a necessity that your team goes out and gets a guy like Gaither. It’s not even reasonable. It’s a want, a wish list, a fans dream. There is not a NEED for Gaither.
I figured things would work out in your head that way, which is why I suggested that you re-read the poll question.
What fucking planet are you living on?? You’re misusing quotes and jumping to erroneous conclusions.
There is NOTHING to suggest the Raiders front office is looking to add a high-priced guy like Gaither at LT right now. There’s nothing to suggest that the Ravens front office are looking to move Gaither right now.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
So, are you asking me to give you a quote
of the Ravens themselves saying they want a 2nd? Yeah, teams do that. You’re funny. I gave you two different sources. Which is 2 more than you have cited the entire time you’ve been here. Show me something more credible then what I have given you, then maybe we could resume this conversation.
I could go on here, but I am bored now.
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by Rich Langford on Jun 15, 2010 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Does that really work for you? I’ve cited a half dozen sources on this post. I even went and found the original Clayton source, and cited it, after you originally used it in a misleading way without citing your source.
I’m done, too. I just wanted to be sure you realize that there is no reason to believe that the Raiders are in the market for Gaither or that the Ravens are in the market to move him. I just wanted to teach you that Clayton saying they wouldn’t move him for less than a 2nd doesn’t mean they’re looking to move him. And also that a beat reporter saying the Ravens might want a backup plan doesn’t mean it’s a backup plan or that the Ravens are looking to move him.
And again, at the end of the day your Raiders will move along without Gaither, without ever even really considering him. The Ravens will continue with Gaither, without ever really considering trading their starting RT (now that the draft has come and gone).
At the end of the day, 87% of you voters will be dissappointed because the Raiders will never go out and get a guy like Gaither right now. That makes so many of you wrong about your own team. It makes me right about your own team. That is all. You can have the last word. Hopefully you’ll stop trying to twist and manipulate quotes, though?
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
You don't know where to stop yourself, do you
This is certainly not a marker of intelligence, Aureus Asinus.
by Spirals galore on Jun 15, 2010 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
How pathetic. You’re like a person that insults someone in spanish because their superiority complex in knowing another language.
The really funny thing is that I doubt you have more than a handful of fader fans that even know what you are saying.
I’d rather go back to MHR and listen to a bunch of golden donkeys than see how many brown round eyes are over here though.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
sadaraine, if you hate something don't you do it to.
So many things could be said here. So, I am just going to say: That is the Eddie quote you choose to roll with?
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 17, 2010 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions
You try to distort those in the 86% as believing that Oakland acquires Gaither
when, in fact, it was always an opinion poll to determine % wanting Gaither or a proven veteran OT equivalent.
Unfortunately, you have made a fool of yourself this day. You may be smart in some circles but not in here, at least, not today.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 15, 2010 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
well said, noontide
I think any blog would take offense to someone staking the claim they know our team better than most of us.
I also think he may live to eat his words; enough said.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Thank you for keeping the spotlight on Giather.
The FIRST rule of fundamental football is build from the inside out; the trenches. NT & LT are the two most important positions that perennial contenders seem to always have. It difficult to find the prototypical size required for their respective positions, in addition to also finding someone who actually has the talent/mentality/disposition to play. NT has been a glaring weakness on the defense since Sam Adams & Ted Washington. With the drafting of MLB McClain and DE/UT Houston the acquisition of a true NT in Henderson will hopefully give McClain the protection from OL that he needs to do his job and will allow Houston to use his burst to capitalize on single blockers.
Now LT should be addressed for the following reasons:
• Protect your biggest investment: QB is THE most important position in football. It is no coincidence that once an offensive leader is found the attention immediately turns to protecting his blind side. While many are comfortable allowing Mario or Valdheer to "develop", Gaither is a 1st day PROVEN commodity whose acquisition would immediately create a positive domino effect on the entire line. The roster moves the Raiders are making indicate they think they can win NOW. Campbell is a seasoned veteran who deserves PROVEN protection NOW.
• Value: The Ravens, at one time, were asking for a 2nd for a the 6th ranked LT. Gaither is expendable to the Ravens because they feel he has a work ethic issue and has been supplanted by Oher. Gaither pouted and almost immediately came up lame with a phantom injury (but again Gaither is YOUNG). A 24yr old, 6’8" 340lb LT mind you, not the typical 30+ veteran looking for his last contract that the Raiders have invested in the past. Gaither is young and immature; this move gives him the motivation to prove the Ravens wrong. Given his age, once Gaither matures he could easily develop into a juggernaut and is a low-risk gamble worth taking as he will at least be a serviceable up-grade for the length of his new contract. Gaither vs. Mario is a no brainer that doesn’t break the bank especially if signed to an incentive (read: weight) based contract.
• Culture Change: Some have suggested bringing in Flozell Adams over Gaither. While Flozell may come cheaper, Adams vs. Gaither is a no brainer; 24 vs. 35; 6th ranked LT vs. league leader in focus penalties; guy slightly under the radar vs. big name; new philosophy vs. old guard. IMO, not only can Gaither help you NOW he is an investment in the future.
LT-Gaither (6’8" 340lbs) LG-Gallery (6’7" 325lbs) C- Satele (6’3" 300lbs) RG-Valdheer (6’8" 312lbs) RT Walker (6’8" 366lbs) Anything else need to be said?
well said, B
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
They wouldn't take Darren.
They have Ray Rice and Willis Mcgahee.
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
Line in the sand
2011 2nd or nothing. He’ll be a FA next year and the Ravens will probably get nothing in return unless they tag him. The right thing to do is to trade Gaither before he becomes a malcontent. I think after JR though perhaps the Raiders are a wee bit wary of work ethic issues.
HEY EVERYONE!!!!
LOGAN MANKINS wants to be traded. He would obviously be 10 times better than that guy named Gaither.
So, anyone interested? Any ideas?
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
It depends on what kind of deal the Raiders could sign him to and what the Patriots would trade for him.
I think I’d be happy if they could get him for a 3rd.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 14, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
10 times better? haha I don't know. Gaither is already a Top 5 LT and is only 24.
In fact, I wanna change my vote. I’d be willing to trade for Gaither. He’s big, young and very very talented.
Here’s my idea. We trade Richard Seymour, our 3rd in 2011 and possibly Mario as well.
So we get the disgruntled LT in Jared Gaither, and they get a young OT in Mario as well as a DE who fits their scheme. Not to mention a 3rd.
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
trade our 3rd and seymour for gaither
and our 2nd for Hainsworth
pick up 3 big free agents next year to makeup for the draft
Superbowl in 3 years or less
Either or but not both
The Ravens are ALWAYS loaded at DL. (I believe there was one rare year when they didn’t have a true NT and Lewis whined until they drafted Ngata. Plug in Ngata and Lewis became a stud again. Hmmm any correlation?) I doubt they would be interested in Seymour however they can EITHER have players OR future draft picks. If not, the Raiders will be highly productive in 2011 free agency. They can make do in 2010 without selling the farm.
I really like this plan. We would advance, God knows how deep, into the playoffs.
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
He's awesome but...
He also has a bad work ethic. We need high character guys in our locker room and if were not going to get it from him than we can get it elsewhere
Can you say....
Incentive laden contract?
You say incentive laden contract and
Rosenhaus says go fuck yourself.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 14, 2010 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
The "bad work ethic" laid on Gaither is a bum rap given to him after he wasn't thrilled to move to ROT.
Do you also believe that Michael Bush has a “bad work ethic” b/c he was opposed to moving to FB?
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Gaither a top 5 LT? Not hardly but I won’t post anymore top-10 or top-5 lists since those are now jokes according to SOB
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
Life isn't about how hard you hit, it's about how hard you get hit and keep coming back--The Prophet Rocky Balboa
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 15, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
We're not looking for a Guard (at least, since Iupati was taken) so why bring up Mankins? Unless you believe it's a big need now.
IMO, OT is much more of a need than Guard, especially with Bruce Campbell, Khalif Barnes and Langston Walker … and of course Cooper Arghile
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Poser!
Just a Patsie fan trying to pass off a guard as a LT.
A pro bowl guard will improve our OL dramaticaly, and help mentor our young guys on the OL, as well as provide leadership.
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
You are willing to sacrifice New England's stelar Guard, Mankins, to us your 2nd favorite team?!
i wonder why
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
He doesn't want to sign our contract, and he stressed that he wants to be traded.
And I don’t regard the raiders as my second favorite. I’ve stated that I love both teams equally.
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
by patriotguy2 on Jun 15, 2010 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions
also we have other guards that can step up.
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
by patriotguy2 on Jun 15, 2010 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Given the third sentence of your first reply
I am at a loss to determine who it is that has other guards to step up.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 15, 2010 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions
and go Lakers!
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 15, 2010 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dan Connely, Nick Kaczur has lined up at Guard
Ohrenburger(maybe), Mark LeVoir. Connely especially, as he had to fill in for both guard and center last year when either Mankins or Neal were injured, and when Koppen was injured. He can start.
But I think it would be Kazcur.
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
You missed my point, but answered my question.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 15, 2010 4:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, what about Walker, Barnes, etc.? 1st person plural "we" is quite telling
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 15, 2010 6:21 AM PDT up reply actions
a five year, $7 million per year contract, no less...
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Counter-agent?
Of course a pseudo-raider fan would want the Raiders to pay for their garbage. The Patsies and Raiders are obviously on good terms considering how often they do business however I hope Mankins is no where on the radar.
This is an ultra-rare situation for a player with a special set of circumstances. I would only endorse this move given Gaither’s age (24), prototypical size (6’8" 340lbs) and past performance (widely considered a top 10 LT) vs. Mankins who is 28, 6’4" 310 with absolutely NO UPSIDE. LOL No thanks. Before the Raiders go for Mankins just stand pat, make due with what we have and get Gaithers in free agency in 2011. Trading for him now just ensures where Gaither ends up without a bidding war.
Is Gaither Lincoln Kennedy?
I miss that guy.
Not sure if Anyone anwsered my question !!!
What i’m hearing after my orig. post, If we go after Gaither, that will be the last cog in the machine necessary, For What ??? A serious run this year !!! A LT for the present, & future !!! Campbell’s insurance policy !!! All of the above !!! SOB has made his point of view clear, and i believe he falls under (but don’t let me speak for you, SOB): All of the above catagory !!! If we got to give up any type of a draft pick, 2011’s 2nd round, or 2012’s 1st round, a long term deal will have already to be in place !!!! We can’t afford this big a sacrafice for a 1yr and done player. Concensus is, we all love what the defense is looking like !!!! If Gaither is the last piece we need, not just for this year but the future as well, I say fucking go for it!! I mean, why stop now, ALL IN !!!!
Yes! 'all of the above' - a serious run 'through', not just to, the playoffs; a top OT for years to come, and reliable QB bodyguard
Put the pieces together, sync all teams (O,D,ST) with brilliant OC & DC strategies/ tactics and start rippin into the 31 teams that are breathing our air and eyeballin our woman.
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Vital cornerstone but not the last peice
The asking price is a 2nd. Link (http://www.sbnation.com/2010/5/7/1462486/jared-gaither-trade-rumors-ravens) He’s 24 NOT 35 he’ll be around awhile. After the Raiders ship the 2011 2nd Gaither will receive a new deal.
My point is that he is worth it to lock up the position for the next 6 years if you believe he will remain a Top 10 LT and furthermore no one currently on the roster or in the 2011 draft available in the 2nd will be a Top 10 LT.
The real question should be: Why are the Raiders holding onto an unknown commodity in a 2011 2nd when they can solve a long-standing festering weakness?
A: To prove trading up for Mario Henderson wasn’t a bust in 2007?
Hardly a worthy battle considering what’s at stake.
Kevin Mawae
I think if we are to upgrade our Oline. Why not go for a season veteran like Kevin Mawae. We drafted Campbell and Veldheer to be our future. If we get Gaither he’s young too and wouldn’t give much opportunity for the other 2. Mawae would immediately upgrade our line and add the much needed veteran leadership to our Oline of a PROVEN vet. He’d only be in Oakland a year maybe 2. Go for Mawae
Valdheer and Campbell, So what?
The Raiders owe Campbell and Valdheer nothing? They are employees who will have every opportunity to win starting positions. The Raiders are still severely lacking in OL depth. has everyone forgotten that BOTH Valdheer and Campbell were projected as developmental projects?? As of right now they are in serious contention to start! Not good, not good at all…
Competiton to start ???
I don’t think anybody thinks either one will start, but the fact that Big Al was behind these two picks, Along with Cable, eyeing the future !!!! Valdheer was the best OT in Div. II, and showed out in the SR. Bowl !! Campbell… Well just take a good look at him !!!! WHat his nicname……Workout Warrior !!! And they praticing him at Guard so he can get some reps!!! Don’t expect to see these in any other colors other than Silver & Black for years to come!!! Valdheer was the only one brought in to meet Big AL before the Draft, & Big Al made the call to Campbell Himself !!! That’s big right there !!!! Those 2 are the future, not the present !!!
With all due respect, Mawae is only slightly better than what we now have
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Mawae was the worst run blocking center in the league last year
old man aint worth nothin’.
And i could see this trade:
Raiders give: Mario Henderson and 2nd
Ravens give: Gaither and 5th
by birds'n'raiders on Jun 14, 2010 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
The worst run blocking center? Really?
Didn’t Chris Johnson run for over 2000 yards behind him? Are you just biased towards the players we already have? He would an improvement over Satele or Morris if neither one ever figures out the zone-blocking scheme.
no, the stats are on my side
Go take a look at profootballprospectus
He is old and is an adequate pass blocker. Chris Johnson is so good that he made him look mediocre. Also, Eugene Amano played C when Mawae was out ( a few games this year) and looked amazing.
by birds'n'raiders on Jun 14, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
That's not really proving your point Sean.
Mawae took double the snaps of both Satele and Morris which proves while older he is durable. Also did you notice the guys in the same are at the bottom of your graph? Two were Raiders and also if Amano was a real difference-maker then where is he on this graph? I just believe he can help this team right now. Seymour proved to be a good influence on the defensive front and Mawae may be able to do the same on the offensive side.
have you no regard for the difference
between players with upside and potential and declining old men? Seymour is 30. Mawae is 40. Seymour has flat-lined, while Mawae is on an exponential fall downwards. There is a reason he hasn’t been picked up. Veteren doesn’t always mean good.
Satele was a 2nd round pick for a reason. He was injured for much of last season (on a side-note: I believe the chart only included starters of 6 games or more, or something along those lines) and still has the potential to be an average to above-average player.
by birds'n'raiders on Jun 14, 2010 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Gaither – Gallary – Satele – Campbell – Veldheer
just sayin’
by birds'n'raiders on Jun 14, 2010 8:26 PM PDT reply actions
Two rookies starting? Hell no!
I doubt we’re getting Gaither. So as of NOW. It’d look like this.
LT- Henderson
LG- Gallery
C- Satele
RG- Barnes
RT- Walker
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
Not bad, I like the girth of that line (cooper resembles a woman).
Satele played like one last year, lets hope he mans up. (Cooper can’t btw)
The RaiderLaker
Since you bring it up, Carlisle does have the eyes of a girl seeking intercourse with the devil
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 14, 2010 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I like your line. I hope it works out.
Of course, we have to contend with Barnes inability to be an ambi-blocker.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 14, 2010 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Gaither would look good at LT
RT Henderson
RG Walker
just saying. It’s all about the deal. What does the Ravens need? Walker, a 4th, and Routt for Gaither and a 7th?
by raiders4liffe on Jun 15, 2010 1:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Totally off topic but
What if Vince young gets suspended for the 1st game? So we wouldn’t have to play him or Cushing. Gods on our side boys.
and the devil (Goodell)
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 15, 2010 6:24 AM PDT up reply actions
And the Chargers' McNeill (Pro Bowl LT) and Jackson (WR) suppossedly may hold out 'till week 10!!!!
Titan’s Chris Johnson may hold out also!! Imagine no VY and CJ (plus I went to their blog and learned one of their promising CB’s was out for the season as well as a good OLB who got suspened for PED’s)
The RaiderLaker
I saw that too.
The planets may be aligning. Let’s hope JJ that they do so in time for Games 6 and 7.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 15, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
We have 5 guys who could play LT
and 1 who can play RG. Coop can’t handle it. Unless Bruce starts we have no one. I think Cable thinks Mario is our guy and he drafted Veldheer as his backup. Bruce is a wildcard that i don’t think we planned to pick but when he was still there in the 4th Cable and Al couldn’t resist.
Barnes a RG is a joke. Walker could be but im not so big on him. Both rookies will have alot of playing time by the end of the year.
Gallery
Life long Raider Fan here (38 years), mark my words though, Gallery wont finish out the season. That back surgery will do him in…JMO
RAIDER WROK
Everyone here needs to calm down..
KA1Z3R, grow up. I’m a kid of your age and running away and complaining to the enemy isn’t the way to go about things.
Bronco fans, Get the fuck out of here if you don’t have nice shit to say..
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
+1
I hope Al only read this post up until this morning.
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 15, 2010 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions
For KA1Z3R
a quote: “Everyone has a breaking point.”
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
by patriotguy2 on Jun 15, 2010 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes.
But the best of the best get up when they fall down. That’s why I love Gladiator.
by Spirals galore on Jun 15, 2010 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, the "never give up, never surrender" type of thing.
I don’t see how he “fell down”either. It’s really him commenting about a certain someone and how they comment. Like how we once wanted to rip el rat a new one(well I’m thinking a few wanted to).
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
by patriotguy2 on Jun 15, 2010 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck you, too Jake
Actually, it’s been fun, but as your resident girl pointed out, I’ve probably over stayed my welcome. See you guys later in the season. Good luck with the chargers, I’ll be cheering for you each time.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
shut up
this guy needs a girlfriend, your snotty attitude is not convincing anyone do something with your life
he's had one for a whole of 5 1/2 months.
Poor kid.
by Spirals galore on Jun 15, 2010 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
He meant elvisalex, he does need one, but Lets calm down with the KAIZ3R jabs...
The RaiderLaker
by JaggerJaw on Jun 15, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes - I apologize
It was a cheap shot.
by Spirals galore on Jun 15, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
smdh KA1Z3R
im not gunna respect anything you post on this site, and to be honest for a whole year before i started to comment and post i use to just read what was put up and i liked your postings most, now i dont care what you have to say
While I'd not go so far as to disregard his future posts,
I must say he fumbled big time. They are having a ball over his post at the Donkeys, even as they claim they come to his defense here. Shame.
by Spirals galore on Jun 15, 2010 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait.. I missed something.
What ball has he fumble??? What did he do that made you guys degrade him?
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
by patriotguy2 on Jun 15, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Is it because he also posts at MH Report? Or defended the fans there?
That only means that he is also a great football fan in general too.
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
by patriotguy2 on Jun 15, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
no i protect and respect people with general football knowledge but he
talks about them as though they are jessu on earth and then downplays this site when hes a “raider fan” but yet protects there word over this ones…its w,e, im not holding anything against him some people just have thicker skin i guess
He made a post over there saying that he's not comfortable here anymore. So he's asking them if he can stay there for awhile
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
Lady you are wearing some crazy glasses to get that from reading our feedback to his post on MHR
I see a whole lot of genuine defense over at MHR for his post. Yeah we all joke about the faders…what would you expect? He jokes about the Broncos on there too. We expect that. He’s a fan of our one of our (historically speaking) arch rivals. But when we talk about KA1Z3R, there is much respect for him because we know how to treat decent intelligent football fans that visit our site.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
great kid. I'm sure he fall back into graces with the likes of us. As for his disgust with certain folks here
I’m not so sure…
I’m of the bent he needs to grow a thicker skin regarding this aspect as well. He should forget what certain posters think of their own status, and more of what the consensus about the posters are, but that should really bear no weight in a decision to “feel comfortable,” on a public blog. We all have tremendous respect for KA1 as a writer and a football mind, and I look forward to his return.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Listen people, I am taking a BREAK, I’m not LEAVING. I’m just waiting on things to get back to normal. Only reason I am there is to comment on some football till I have something to write about here in Oakland that I won’t feel like has been written about to death. if anything, I’m going there to get my own creative juices, feed off their styles and how they write.
It’s called change of venue which is a key thing when it comes to sportswriting, something I hope to make a career. Chances are I’ll be moving all over the country to cover different topics and teams, so I need to learn how to do those things. I’ll more than likely be in job situations where I want to move to a different sport, a different team, or be forced to due to firings or whatever else.
Change of venue also allows me to study different writers and study how they do things, which will further improve my own writings and musings. And a better writer/reporter means better job opportunities in better areas. Hopefully I can go to Bristol and work there at ESPN as a writer or reporter. Maybe move to Los Angeles (dream situation here) and work covering all the many LA-area sports.
Do I like this site? No. I love it. This is where my bread and butter and the people I’ve come to consider family are and I’ve been here a long time. Just seems to be some family feuding and some distraught and I’m definitely a big shareholder of blame here. Once things just kinda cool down and i finish doing what i need to career-wise at MHR, I’ll return to where my true home is.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
by KA1Z3R on Jun 16, 2010 6:45 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
ok you need a quick writing sabatical
I get it. What I wasn’t getting was a warm feeling for the donkeys in any fashion – fans, uniforms, players, writers, friends, etc. I’m still on the fence with the biteams fans – you know patriotguy (who I very much enjoy his insights, etc) and a couple others but I’m learning to tolerate and appreciate at times. Post draft and pre camp is a slow period. We allowed Elvis and his “I can’t admit that 87% of the fans were right and that I was wrong” to briefly hijack our site to tell us that Gaither could not get done at any price. The question is still there, “what would you give for Gaither and would the Ravens expect”? Witers write, that’s what they do. The Nation is the Nation – with us or against us, that’s how we roll. Pick your side.
by raiders4liffe on Jun 16, 2010 7:04 AM PDT up reply actions
No worries, K. Look forward to your return, when we'll be discussing Raider W's!
Over the likes of the Broncos, Chiefs, and Chargers!
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Go for it KA1, I hope you make it--you are off to a great start.
If you do make it though, people are going to be slamming you way worse than Blanda or anyone else on here does. It comes with the territory. The more success you have, the more detractors you’ll find. I think brhyno offered some sound advice.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 17, 2010 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Richard Seymour
I just throwing it out there, trade Seymour and a forth in 2011 or a fifth in 2012 ( if we could get him to sign his tender and just replace the money offered to Seymour to Gaither) then move Trevor Scott to LDE and release Pears or Henderson to cleared wasted money
My take on Seymour
Name 3 DL players better than him in the AFC West. He’s either going to make plays or get double-teamed and allow linemates to make plays.The rings and leadership that he brings to the Raiders is unique at this stage. He’s has the respect of the locker room (who do not hear any player talking about his contract, etc.); they truly respect him. That’s worth a lot when we have so many young players.
by raiders4liffe on Jun 17, 2010 2:47 AM PDT up reply actions
It comes down to weighing the pros and cons, including (if even possible) the intangibles.
Losing Seymour, Gaining Gaither …. does the team’s bottom line wax or wane? Will the move translate into 1 or 2 more wins or loses?
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 17, 2010 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Not to mention that he'll play A LOT better now that he has a better DL with him, AND he'll play DE the whole year(which is his true position).
Also, someone has to mentor Houston the ways of playing DE. Having both Seymour AND Henderson will further help this young fella, especially when he plays along side both of them on the DL.
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
by patriotguy2 on Jun 17, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
yes, it would be ideal if Dick hung with us and we were still able to bring a new member into the black hole
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 17, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
how did i miss all of this : /
Oakland is ground zero, the womb and breast, the DNA of the Raider phenomenon. Al Davis is the St. Joseph, foster father, of the immortal and divine team, Oakland a modern Bethlehem and L.A. as another Egypt. - Sons-of-Blanda
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