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Its been a good 4-5 years since I have read it in its entirety, but I remember distinctly never getting that sense of polytheism or monotheism. I think I remember hearing that was a way to read it but I find it to be a weaker reading. The Euthyphro is said to be a philosophical litmus test, if you get what Socrates is saying then you got what it takes to study philosophy (critical thinking in all its impartiality). I will certainly pick it up again very soon, now that we are discussing it.

In the Euthyphro, Socrates is looking for a way to defend himself and since on of his charges is Piety, he finds its best to understand what is meant by Pious. By coincidence there happens to be a high priest named Euthyphro awaiting a trial he has pursued concerning his father (an interesting coincidence, Euthyphro is going to court against paternalism). But anyone they begin discussing and Socrates is using his dialectical method to regress and regress Euthyphro’s confidence in knowing what is meant by Pious. Then Socrates hits this gem of a nugget,“Is it pious what God commands or does God command what is pious?”

This was the birth of Moral Philosophy not Monotheism. Socrates’ profound question does not reinforce the idea of One God’s commandment are true where as multiple gods commandments are necessarily true. What his question illuminates is that no one will chose the former; it is Pious what the gods command. Simply because then the gods may commmand whatever they wish, genocide, terrorism, the suppression of females, slavery, etc etc Ultimately, what this says is It is Pious because the gods commanded it. No lets consider the other option before we make a hasty decision, “the gods command it because it is pious.” Now this is the choice one should deam, because we don’t want our God, gods, or parents to simply tell us whatever but we want their commandments to be Just and Good. This is the set up for Plato’s theory of forms in which the Good exists in this transcendental idea which forms all our lesser ideas. But lets get into it, in this account the Good has a more powerful meaning; it is not the mere authority of the commander that validates the goodness but the Good is in and of itself. The Goods cannot control what is Good and what is not, the Good has an objective existence outside of the gods. They simply are of more pure mind and are able to abstract the interpretation better. But Socrates is not doing a monotheism and polytheism thing here, he is investigating the Good, and we are to know the good through one god or multipe gods is never called into question.

I think we need to start a Raiders Philosophical book club. I don’t have access to lots of them but I have some friends back home willing to mail me books in the Caribbean. And I will read the Euthyphro, Death of Socrates, and Crito later, to see if I can catch a greater hold of your idea that the Euthyphro is talking about polytheism and monotheism. Also, to check some of those avenues of thought I had above about Socrates, they were quite new to me.

The Euthyphro Dialogue
Its been a good 4-5 years since I have read it in its entirety, but I remember distinctly never getting that sense of polytheism or monotheism. I think I remember hearing that was a way to read it, but I cannot help but find it to be a weaker reading. The Euthyphro is said to be a philosophical litmus test, if you get what Socrates is saying then you got what it takes to study philosophy (critical thinking in all its impartiality). I will certainly pick it up The Euthyphro again very soon, now that we are discussing it.

In the Euthyphro, Socrates is looking for a way to defend himself and since one of his charges is being Impious, he finds it best to understand what is meant by being Pious. By coincidence there happens to be a high priest named Euthyphro awaiting a trial he has pursued concerning his father (an interesting coincidence, Euthyphro is going to court against paternalism). They proceed with the usual rigors of the Socratic Method of Dialectal belief dissection. The Dialogue reaches its climax when says, "Is it pious what the gods command or do the gods command what is pious?"

The question was the birth of Moral Philosophy not Monotheism. Socrates’ most profound question does not reinforce the idea of One God’s commandment are true where as multiple gods commandments are false. What his question illuminates is that no one will chose the former; “it is Pious what the gods command.” Simply because then the gods may commmand whatever they wish, genocide, terrorism, the suppression of females, slavery, etc etc. Ultimately, what this says is It is Pious because the gods commanded it. Now this is the choice one should deem satisfactory, because we don’t want our God, gods, or parents to simply tell us whatever but we want their commandments to be Just and Good.

The Euthyphro is the set up for Plato’s theory of forms in which the Good exists in this transcendental/external/objectice reality separate from anything else, which forms all our lesser ideas. But lets get into it, in this account the Good has a more powerful meaning; it is not the mere authority of the commander that validates the goodness but the Good is in and of itself Good. The gods (or God) cannot control what is Good and what is not, the Good has an objective existence outside of the gods (or God). They simply are of more pure mind and are able to abstract the interpretation better (I am assuming as I am an Atheist this is how a Theist would redeem the move). But Socrates is not doing a monotheism and polytheism thing here, he is investigating the Good, and we are to know the good through one god or multipe gods is never called into question.

democracy – even more so when it turned on his master and friend.

Fans from other teams would be shocked to see us having such discussions in here. They probably think we only talk about beer and rioting in this forum.

i did grow up in LA, and not the nicest place down here… so yeah, it might’ve rubbed off, a lil… but it is all good… i dinna mind being a paragon.