Making the Cut: D-Lineman
This is probably the quietest point of the year for NFL news. Rookies will start signing around the start of July and then mini-camps following that. With the NBA championship decided and in its rightful place, I need something to talk about.
So, let's speculate upon the future inhabitants of the 53-man roster. We may see a free agent or two signed and there may be a trade, but it is just as, if not more, likely that all of the candidates are in place.
I decided to start with the Defensive line. What a difference a year makes. This time last year, the defensive line was thin. It was so thin, that no one seemed to even really care that the DT's were allergic to running backs, because we were all having brain hemorrhages over the lack of run stoppers on the edges. This year the defensive line is a strong candidate to become the strength of this team.
Last year the Raiders kept 8 D-lineman. They still have Trevor Scott listed as a DE, but according to all reports he has moved to OLB and I will save him for the LB section.
Let's assume the Raiders will carry 8 defensive lineman again this year. Given the hybrid nature of some of the guys getting reps at OLB I can't see them going with more than 8 D-lineman and it is rare that a 4-3 team would ever carry fewer than 8.
Barring any trades or injuries, these guys look to be locks to make the roster: Seymour, Houston, Shaughnessy, Henderson, Bryant and Kelly.
That leaves 2 spots for: Alex Daniels, Greyson Gunhiem, Kellen Heard, Chirs Cooper, Ryan Boschetti, William Joseph and Jay Richardson.
Of this group, I'd say Jay Richardson is the front runner. At 26 years old, he has been a decent rotation contributor. He registered 23 tackles and 3 sacks last year.
Of that same group, Gunhiem, Boschetti--who were both cut last year by the Raiders--and Cooper, who hasn't made an NFL team since '07, would have to dive headlong into the Lyle Alzado/Barry Bonds training regimen to impress the coaches enough to make the squad.
The 8th d-lineman is almost certainly going to be a DT. So, sorry Alex Daniels, bust your ass and you can make the practice squad, but you aren't going to make the 53.
That leaves us with William Joseph vs. Kellen Heard.
Joseph made a decent contribution at the end of last season and ended up with 8 tackles after joining the team just prior to week 10 and that was after being released just prior to week 1, when Dick decided to show up. Joseph is a big body at 310 and questionable desire, but he has proven he can be on the NFL field for a few snaps without embarrassing himself. He also played for DL coach Mike Waufle in NY.
Then there is the big ?, Kellen Heard. The guy with the look of an NFL DT and the resume of a bouncer. After leaving Texas A&M for Memphis his senior season, he was so unimpressive to the Memphis staff that they moved the DT to the offensive line. He was then so unimpressive they moved him back to DT.
So, who's it going to be? I know many fans are enamored with Heard's size, but his lack of college success and undrafted status lead me to believe he will be lucky to make the practice squad. Players that size and who spent 3 years at a school with as high a profile as Texas A&M don't go undrafted if they have anything close to the skill to play in the NFL. Players that have the skills to play in the NFL don't fail to make an impact at schools such as Memphis.
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Meh
Both prospects for the 8th lineman are less than inspiring. I would have to go with Joseph only because of experience and playing for Waufle. Heard, while possessing incredible physical attributes, may well end up being this year’s Franz Joseph and just be one step too slow to make it in the NFL.
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Heard, but nnontide has done a good job of bringing logic to the forefront. Clearly, Joseph has a body of work that is superior to Heard’s. What are the odds of so many scouts and coaches missing Heard’s talent?
It's impossible to say at this time as I haven't seen Heard play
I think that if Heard is decent it is close between them in performance after camp Heard would get to spot due to him offering something no-one else on the roster does in his size, also the fact Joseph has been around for a few years and is probably unlikely to get much better than he is now where as you would think Heard would have more room for improvement.
Having said that I haven’t seen Heard play so he could be a steaming turd.
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I agree OZ
I think when Joseph gets cut, he just hangs around Oakland waiting for somebody to get hurt. On top of that, Cable mentioned Heard as his “secret weapon” this year following the draft, and intial reports from camps say that he is more of an athlete then you would expect of a guy his size. I don’t think Heard would make it to the practice squad because somebody else would sign him first. Joseph will just hang around like a stray animal who has been given a little bit of Grub and the Raiders know this. Besides, players like Joseph are a dime a dozen.
All that being said, I really like Alex Daniels and think he could get into the mix at DE, especially if they plan on using Seymour at DT more. Given his age and anticipated decline with said age, they may be plannig to play more of the DT Seymour this year. Buyt like you say Oz, there is really no way to determine what’s going to happen until we get to see the action in preseason
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by B.A.Armstrong on Jun 21, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think there is anything to suggest another team would sign Heard,
since every team has passed on him. I hope he is the secret weapon though. I have never watched Daniels. Do you think he has a chance to take Richardson’s roster spot or do you think they may keep him and Richardson, since Seymour may be considered more of a DT this year?
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by Rich Langford on Jun 21, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I was saying
That I think they may consider Seymour as the 4th DT and keep Daniels as the fourth DE.
I think somebody would sign Heard to be that monster in the middle. The Raiders really need to keep him and try to get him to be something. I think You are right, he is useless to the practice squad because he’s not a versitile player like a FB or LB who can line up in multiple positions like you need on a good scout team. But don’t forget that everybody passed on ALL of the UFDA’s including Tommy Kelly and Desmond Bryant as well
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by B.A.Armstrong on Jun 21, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
excuse me
I meant UDFA’s not UFDA’s
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by B.A.Armstrong on Jun 21, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha I was about to google what the hell a UFDA was.
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by Rich Langford on Jun 21, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Seymour as the 4th DT and Daniels as the DE is interesting
and I hadn’t thought of that. Still, I think with the OLB’s that could also fill in as DE’s I think the DT is more likely. If Daniels earns it though, I hope they give it to him.
Heard, not only could every team have drafted him, but every team could have attempted to sign him after the draft. I don’t see anyone else signing him now if he gets cut. I hope he can prove that he can play, but given his size and his lack of any success at Memphis, I am very skeptical.
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by Rich Langford on Jun 21, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
No clue at this point. I enjoyed those pics, especially JC and Cable.
Campbell (in that 3rd pic) looks, at least, like the QB of the decade – hetro beautiful and awesome
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I thought the same thing.
I can’t imagine he let himself Russell up in the offseason, though. Maybe it was just the picture.
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by Rich Langford on Jun 21, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope it's just the picture
But his face looks bloated too…
by Spirals galore on Jun 21, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think it's much to worry about really.
He probably hasn’t been able to do much conditioning because of his knees still healing and he can’t do much upper-body work because of his pectoral injury. He has never shown that he is not willing to put in the work. In fact he was there before OTAs started throwing to DHB and rehabbing his knees. Radkowski has never given us any reason to doubt his preparation or conditioning.
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OMG Tht is great!
JaRussed = A new term for getting fat, doesnt have to be offseason either, “you seen Tommy lately?”
“Yeah, boy got Jarussed, must weigh 400 lbs now…”
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by RAIDERSNOMERCY on Jun 21, 2010 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It should be Heard just because he would be cheaper to keep on the roster then Joseph.
Of course, whoever is in the best playing shape of all these guys should make the cut.
NALPP
Not Another Lineman Post! The off season IS long?
In what game did the sea of hands play occur?
Miami@ Oakland 1974-Stabler to C.Davis
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by TheRaiderWay on Jun 21, 2010 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Davis being the guy on the team with the worst hands. Great game.
I keep that game on my DVR.
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HEARD
he has positional value in playing both sides of the ball, also if hes even half mobile as joseph he’ll beat him him solely because hes a huge guy who would plug running lanes just by standing there
bingo. We won't need this guy to be a stud or a force, just a huge, immobile object to clog the middle
If he can do that, and not be pushed back or to either side to where he’s a spur in our side, he’s golden. I think Joseph has been the benefactor of having not much to choose from for a couple of years. Kellen will be the guy.
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Leverage
Normally yes, I huge guy that is immovable would be great. However, if Heard is indeed 1 step too slow for the NFL game, then any Pro center or guard worth his salt will get under his pads and have their way with him, which neutralizes his mass.
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by TheRaiderWay on Jun 21, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
True. Let's hope he can play at this level.
or we’ll see more of Joseph, and unfortunately, as noontide pointed out, he’s just a guy who’s not terrible. I’d prefer someone actually earned a spot on the team by competition, not by default.
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+ 1
I’ll vote now for Heard. Our prayers for a Sumo were answered and he’s pushing Codymass with (it seems) a higher body density.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 21, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
+1
i voted HEARD… he is our FRIDGE, a big ass lane blocker… whose copius amounts of body girth free up our other line guys… maybe DICK wont be double teamed all the time!!!
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by VaderBDCRaider on Jun 21, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Most likely it'll be Joseph
Joseph seems to always make the team and he is usually there just to fill a spot; I think he was cut and signed by the Raiders 3 times last season. Heard would fill that role cheaper, but that is probably his only upside. As much as I would like to believe that Heard would be good because of his size, his college record seems to show that he can’t play and only serves the role of a big (BIG) body. Unfortunately being only huge is not good enough for the NFL.
I also wouldn’t rule out Chris Cooper cause he could fill this role just as well as Joseph. The thing he has going for him is that he is a smaller DT and could fit this odd line up we have; by that I mean he could be kicked to the outside while Houstan moves inside without any real loss of size.
The 8th spot could be an interesting battle, but it’s not a particularly important one.
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We've seen what Joseph has done..He's shit! Let's give Heard a chance..
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But Heard was shit in college,
why would we expect him to exceed that in the pros?
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by Rich Langford on Jun 21, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Tom Brady went in the 7th Rd. John Randle was undrafted..
My point is, if you don’t suceed in the Pro’s after 6 years, you’re probably not gonna suddenly become a Pro Bowler. Heard has the potential to become a good/great DT. He has the size, intensity and the size Haha.
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Good points, but their college resume's were more impressive
and given Heard’s size and size, he has scouts looking for reasons why he could make it. Hopefully he makes me eat my words.
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by Rich Langford on Jun 21, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He'll eat them before you can get to em..
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by JaKe. on Jun 21, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is a good point. I better start fasting
so I myself don’t look appetizing
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by Rich Langford on Jun 21, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe we all should..Maybe that's where Johhnie Lee Higgins went..
I heard he was missing, but I figured he was just out of town. But Kellen probably just corned him late after practice one nigth..
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
I know of a certain former QB
that no one would miss if he were eaten and thate should tide even Heard over for a few months.
Speaking of eating people,I watched Cannibal the Musical last night. Good stuff. Thanks for mentioning it.
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by Rich Langford on Jun 21, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I've never met anyone who has dislike anything made my Trey and Matt..
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
Neither have I, but I can take a few guesses at some who may not be big fans

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by Rich Langford on Jun 21, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
soooo, you werent at a fudge factory, packin fudge?
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by VaderBDCRaider on Jun 21, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
tom brady
wasnt tom brady on a wolverine team that played for national champs? he went in the 7th? damn, and look at him now… maybe KELLEN THE KEG HEARD can do for our D… maybe Joseph and THE KEG both make it. then what other position do we trim to acomadate the room?
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by VaderBDCRaider on Jun 21, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
He was the backup. Griese was the starter and I followed them closely because I like Michigan and also my favorite player was tearing it up.
Woodson had one of the greatest seasons by a player all around that year in all facets of the game. I really hope this guy Heard is a sleeper and is worth 20 snaps a game but I doubt it. However if he is good enough to make the cut then also have Hue put in some plays for him at FB in goal line in front of either Bush or McFadden. He would be a monster.
I was thinking a receiver eligible tackle for Campbell just because of his ridiculous athletiscm.
Though after watching him in that ESPN Sport Science Draft Special, I can see your point.
my cousin went full ride to MICHIGAN
i saw em play the rose bowl against SC (17-10) and Wshinton, and the gator bowl or mud bowl or hall of fame bowl or whichever it was. against OLE MISS… grbac is a douche in my house…
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by VaderBDCRaider on Jun 24, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
who ever it is
you can bet that its going to be the best player available.as for our new QB,check out the pics form OTA’s.there is a shot of our three QB’s dropping back to pass,they are all in about the same stage in there motions.i think JC looks like he has the best form of the three,most ready to make a play.what do you all think?
I agree. I might have something else to say if Bruce could actually be working out
As it stands, I’m pulling for JC, and believe he’ll be our guy, and quite adequate at that. I hope he can be spectacular, and instrumental in unleashing all the weapons we have offensively.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Alex Daniels
It would be great if Heard could show some effort and desire to play football but he never really did in college.
I also think there could be tremendous upside with Alex Daniels from Cincy………It will be interesting to see if he can handle the big boys in camp…….and if quentin groves can find a position that works for him.
I agree
I really like Daniels. I remeber watching him play a couple of times with the Bearcats. He stood out to me and I ws excited when I heard the Raiders signed him following the draft. If he doesn’t make the team, I hope he makes the practice squad, because he has a lot of potential, IMHO
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by B.A.Armstrong on Jun 21, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
A little premature to say Henderson is a lock.
Teams usually don’t let talented players come for nothing. We’ve all read the quotes by certain football people who say Henderson can’t play anymore, we’ll see.
Well, they were cutting his contract,
but I see your point. Given his level of production last year, what Jags fans had to say about him and the teams need for him, I think he is a lock. Here’s to hoping he is good enough to beat out the likes of Boschetti and Cooper.
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by Rich Langford on Jun 21, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Kelly's Contract Needs To Be Cut, and Redone
I see you got Kelly, as part of the starting D-line. For the money his making (7.5mil.), He shouldn’t just be starting, but the word that should be used IS, STARRING!!!!.Truefully, I got a feeling they’re going to ask him to take less money . I mean really, since he signed that contract, what has He Done ?? I mean REALLY, WHAT HAS HE DONE ?? Anyone, Anyone ??? Heard over Joseph…..NO BRAINER !!!! And as far as being undrafted…..FYI) Kelly went undrafted too !!!!! Just something to think about !!!
PS: I still think Haynesworth is a good possibilty…….SOB’s mancrush!!! LMAO !!! Laughing because, I too am now crushing over this idea !!! OMG !!! One Seriously Happy RAIDERFAN4LYFE !!!
At this point, with the -spending- signing of seymour and after the ink has dried on henderson's agmt., I am inclined to deal
Kelly for a real pro OT. That, for me, is what will help the Raiders most right now. The DE are getting stronger and faster and we’re taking OTAs off and blowing smoke at each other about how mario and khalif are going to improve with JCs quick decision making. Remember the Alamo! I speak of Dallas and the swarming hoards enveloping and assailing Grad – who wasn’t 5-patting the ball. These zones we’ll face get weaker in proportion to our spreading the field – but how can our WRs get downfield with the a 2-econd line?
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 21, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
It really is getting past overdue now. Sign a viable starting tackle already.
Make the move now, or finish your season with a backup qb, who’s days will also be numbered.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I agree with everything you said,
except I don’t see anyone trading for Kelly. Unless it is for another big contract on an under-performing player.
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by Rich Langford on Jun 21, 2010 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
well.....
i guess that rules out the redskins, they stopped that, right?
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by VaderBDCRaider on Jun 21, 2010 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
what happened? Why are you all getting emphasized?
I want emphasis too! let’s see….
by Spirals galore on Jun 21, 2010 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
What does this mean?
It must mean something…The computer gods are talking to us!
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by Rich Langford on Jun 21, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh what the hell!
The miracle has passed. The signs have ceased, but we can all look back and say that we were there that fateful day. We were there!
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by Rich Langford on Jun 21, 2010 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait the miracle is back!
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by Rich Langford on Jun 21, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
papabegood brought us The Curse Of The Font!
And now everything after his comment appears slanted
by Spirals galore on Jun 22, 2010 6:27 AM PDT up reply actions
It appears I am half-full and you half empty :)
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by Rich Langford on Jun 22, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Truefully !!!!
it does look pretty smooth like that !!! And yeah, The Redskins jump all over the ex all pro from New Orleans. That should’ve been our move, esp. for a 3rd round pick next year. You got to think Shannahan saw the righting on the wall, and made a move before Big Al did. Bastard was always stealing our draft picks we coveted, when he was in Denver !! Seems like they was always a pick ahead of us no matter what round. Funny how that shit worked out that way !!!
Or Cornhole revisted. Not sourgrapes, just not sold on Jammal Brown
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 21, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
He WAS there !!!
I’m sure he w as on Big Al’s & The Cable’s Guy radar!!! Who else besides Gaither might be had ???
Therein lies the rub. The decent one's are starters, of course, so we'd have to pay bigtime
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 21, 2010 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Other Than Gaither !!!
If it’s Gaither, we’re possibly looking at a 2nd round pick, and maybe one of our tight ends…. Myers ???
If Hue Jackson hasn't persuaded Cable yet that Gaither's the man then it probably won't happen now.
Brandon Myers is “Clutch” and, like Grad, a splendid backup. He’s even a better blocker than Zach and tops on special teams. I really want to keep Myers. Who else?
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 22, 2010 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions
How is Brandom Meyers "clutch"?
Because he caused the ONE fumble? Thats was pure luck. I would easily trade Meyers if it meant getting ANY O-linemen in return..
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
I am stricken with sadness at hearing such callousness.
If anything happens to Zach, e.g. concussion, we will not suffer much having Myers as his backup. Meanwhile, Brandon is a good ST player and, imo, would make a better Fullback than we had last year with Lawton and Russell.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 22, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
True. I may hev been a tad harsh on Brandon..
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
here here, blanda
myers was a rook last year, its STEWART that goes…
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by VaderBDCRaider on Jun 24, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I always forget about Stewart..Goodness he's bad.
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
not necessarily true about Gaither
if the Ravens don’t lower their asking price than the Gaither trade will not happen. It’s not just H Jackson’s persuation skills, it’s the Raven asking too much.
by raiders4liffe on Jun 23, 2010 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Why is everything Italisized, take it off!!!!!
It’s annoying, and makes it harder to read. (or maybe my eyes are used to normal font)
The RaiderLaker
because papabegood cursed Noontide's post
by Spirals galore on Jun 22, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
We just have to break the code to find the hidden message in his post
and then all secrets shall be revealed unto us!
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by Rich Langford on Jun 22, 2010 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I miss Cloe O'Brian
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 22, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm working on breaking it
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by Rich Langford on Jun 22, 2010 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I am close to finding the pattern!
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 22, 2010 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
and I'm getting donkey's royal blue font in times new roman; I fear our computers have been compromised, or worse - zombiefied
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 22, 2010 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions

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