He-who-shall-not-be-named helped the Raiders by leaving ... can Dick do the same?
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 9, 2010 1:37 PM PDT
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PrintSeymour, who is currently listed as one of our seven DEs, is holding out again, missing OTA's, wanting more money than he's worth, and reminding me of the unmentionable-one (he who is 'dead to me' waived 5/6/10). Richard Seymour, whose local fan-base never fails to defend his lack-luster play by asserting his team influence, that "Richard is a great influence on the Raider's younger players." Well, that positive intangible quality is now in question.
Last year Dick refused to report to the Raiders (after NE traded him) until the the Raiders reminded him of the repercussions available to Oakland through the NFLCBA. Now, after being given the exclusive franchise tag, this declining former Patriot, who only looked like his former self in two games last season, is holding out for the big money.
With the giant OT, Jared Gaither, now signed to a 1-year deal with Baltimore there are still FA options available to Oakland of significant benefit - such as the partially deaf seasoned veteran OT Flozell Adams who is still available AND one of the top 4 DTs in the league (on the field) Albert Haynesworth - whose still at odds with the Redskins with whom we have been making some sweet deals of late (Jason Campbell and Rock Cartwright).
Another, more pervasive and pernicious, argument for keeping Dick at any cost is our draft-debt - the questionable decision to trade our 2011 first-round pick to NE for Seymour. The argument goes, since we have invested so much we are bound to keep him. Such reasoning is unsound, for if it were made into a principle we would still have He-who-shall-not-be-named on the roster at QB. We should make the best choices NOW without looking back. We need a very good OT and we need a very good DT. Certainly Seymour could be traded for Haynesworth who is easily better than any DT we have.
I'm much in favor of getting DT Haynesworth and picking up the Dallas waived Flozell Adams. With the likes of Mario Henderson and the thoughtless blabbermouth Dutchman Veldheer (was it whistle-blowing cheese-eating? was it idiocy? was it the desperate act of a struggling rookie?) and Tommy Kelly as starters at OT and DT respectively - we must do better if we are to flip our season record around (from 5-11 to 11-5). We've made some decent strides this post/pre season and we should continue to do so and correct what is left - the deficiencies at OT and DT which we are too often compelled to defend with dubious affirmations of "he'll do better". Let's get these weak spots filled right away - before training camp - and then we will know that we have done all we can do to prepare for the campaign just over 2-months away.
Albert is very consistent - the opposite of Tommy Kelly. 
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Lots of aging veterans skip camps and OTAs, though I voted yes. At this point we don't need another DE
Unless he’ll spell Kelly as a UT, I believe Seymour is expendable. I do, however, question how the team views him as a lift in the locker room, and if indeed they do, he’s not going anywhere.
I say do whatever it takes to get a starting LT and DT, and if that means trading big Dick, so be it.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Dick didn't "refuse" to go to report to the raiders last year after the trade.
He stated: “I had a lot to think about with my wife, my family, my friends that are close to me, just a lot to think about as far as how do we make this work,” Seymour said. “How do we make it happen? I talked with coach Cable, and I talked with Mr. Davis as soon as this happened, and I assured them I wanted to be an Oakland Raider. They saw something special inside of me, and I just hope that I can bring what they saw. And that’s my job to go out and do that, and I know that I will.”
There was just so much going on, he couldn’t really report to them right away.
also, seymour is VERY important in the locker room. Asomugha states this: Even if the guy doesn’t speak that much, where he comes from says enough," Asomugha said. “He’s one of those types of guys — from the Patriots, All-Pro, Pro Bowler — he knows what it takes. And just the sheer effect he had when he was on the field, it made you want to step your game up, play better, be a better teammate. His impact was great in that way. He made you look at yourself and see where you were lacking.”
and…
“He brought all his rings in,” Asomugha continued. "And we had a team meeting, and Seymour went to the front of the room and spoke to the whole team about what it takes to win Super Bowls, from his experience with his old team. He talked about what we could do with the talent we had in that room, and what it would take, and then he passed his rings around to not just the players, but the coaches too, just so we’d all understand that it’s possible.
Also, Seymour is not holding out for more money, but has stressed in may this year that he wants a long term contract. Here’s what Joe Kukura said from the nbcbayarea.com:
It turns out Richard Seymour does want to be an Oakland Raider. Possibly for the rest of his career.
The five-time Pro Bowl defensive lineman with the three rings was not in attendance at this weekend’s voluntary Raiders mini-camp, but he had a good enough reason. Seymour, the Raiders’ designated franchise player, is negotiating a long-term contract extension to stay a Raider.
Coach Cable told the Associated Press that the negotiations are why Seymour was not on hand for mini-camp. Jerry McDonald wonders in the Oakland Trib if Seymour’s absence isn’t just a fringe benefit of being the franchise player.till, what matters is that Seymour actively wants to remain with the Raiders, and is talking long-term. In today’s NFL, “long-term” is generally regarded as no less than three years.
If the Raiders get this done, then that stupid trade where they gave up a first-rounder for Seymour instantly becomes a brilliant trade where they gave up a first-rounder for Seymour.
And if he IS holding out for more money, give me some proof about it. Logan Mankins is missing OTA’s because he wants a long term contract:
(From Rotoworld.com)- Restricted free agent LG Logan Mankins is not showing up for the Patriots’ offseason activities because he wants a long-term contract.
Mankins, a Pro Bowler in two of the last three seasons, is in California and plans on staying there until there is “significant” movement on his contract situation. Mankins was tendered at the first- and third-round level, so the Patriots can almost certainly force him to play on a one-year, $3.268 million deal in 2010.
Source: Boston Globe
The pats have come forward with a deal for him, but their’s no word yet.
More than likely, it’s the same situation with Riachard. He wants a long term contract, which was stated in May(just ONE MONTH AGO), and the raiders are currently trying to work out a deal.
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
We need character guys not Haynesworth and Adams
Regarding Haynesworth, it would be a HUGE mistake to sign this guy. First of all he had a great season going into a contract year, aside from that he’s been average based on his pay grade. We don’t need his pedestrian production and his horrible attitude on our young team. He would be a horrible influence on our young players in much the same way that Moss, Hall, and Walker were. Guys who get paid Haynesworth money always get looked to as leaders of the team, and Haynesworth is a poor leader. How’s that gonna make the young underpaid players like Scott and Shoughnessy feel if that fata$$ is acting like an idiot all the time.
Adams would be a worse move. We are trying to establish a youth movement in Oakland we don’t need another old player who is past his prime coming to town. I love our last Super Bowl team as much as the next, but the main problem with it was that we played all of these old players and when they retired our team became a joke. We can’t keep pasting in old players to fill the gaps where we don’t have young talent. I would rather start one of our rookies or get a cheap young free agent than start that guy. Furthermore, he’s known for causing a lot of penalties and we all know we don’t need anymore guys like that.
Who we should sign is John Henderson. He’s massive he’s not too old yet, and he would instantly give us run help without breaking our bank. We need to hold out til next year to draft a stud DT and until then this guy could help.
Seymour didn’t have a great statistical year, but he is by far the best role model our team could ask for. One example you didn’t mention is that he said we would make the playoffs last year. I know it didn’t work, but that kind of confidence from a proven winner like Seymour must have given our team a morale boost. He has been known to be hot and cold his whole career. I think it has to do with his technique and not his motor. I know he didn’t put up big numbers last year, but we have to give him a chance. If we make a playoff run this year (which I think we could) we need as many guys with deep playoff experience as possible. WE NEED SEYMOUR!
Gaither would be nice, but we don’t wanna give a 2nd for him and I don’t think we have anything else to offer.
by SilverBlackAttack on Jun 10, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I was talking about seymour that entire post.
I probably wasn’t specific enough, but that post was about seymour. We need him.
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
by patriotguy2 on Jun 10, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't like Haynesworth.
He is on a swift decline. That consistency you pointed to last year, I think may be a thing of the past. I’d much rather have Seymour around this year showing Houston how to be a pro than Haynesworth.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
No!!! Ok! but I would only do a potential Seymour for Gaither swap.
Nothing more. Seymour stays! Haynesworth will fuck us up, what hypocrisy! First you are like “No, I don’t want TO he’s disruptive and is to egotistical” Haynesworth is the same, but both can make an impact, but no, I prefer TO. There is a reson why we didn’t trade Seymour during the draft, so if it didn’t happen then then it won’t happen now.
The RaiderLaker
Agreed.
Have we all forgotten what a Jackass Haynesworth has been acting like thus far. This is a dude who frequently coasts on his massive natural ability. In my opinion that guy is GROSSLY overpaid. He is like TO with bigger arms, and without all that pesky effort stuff.
I'm up for a Gaither swap.
while I voted ‘no’ for TO it wasn’t so much about his hysterical bent (I tolerate Jagger Jaw’s and can deal with TO’s) it’s more the fact that we need to pinpoint where we are most vulnerable, viz, DT & OT.
"What is your agenda?"
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 9, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Voted "Yes"
But not for Haynesworth. You think Seymour is a trouble maker, and you want to trade him for another one?
You can forget those charts at that website… this guy is an underachiever (as of lately), and a camp hold out. Thought your logic was good most of the way through the piece, but you can’t find a DT to trade for who doesn’t have attitude problems?
i think we go after a L.T. Flozel would be just fine.
Hanyesworth would be to much of a bad trade,locker room wise.from whats been posted their flip-sides of a coin.Richard Seymour (80 tackles,13 1/2 sacks) at 30 is 2 yrs older % due 12 million,Albert Haynesworth(102 tackles 18 1/2 sacks) is at 11 mill.
so the trade off is locker room….keep’em
Flozel nice band-aid plus comes with his own off-side penalties….
so i think to my self (if i am Al DAVIS) can Jay Richardson cover Dicks spot off the end??
Jay is 6-6 280 in the last 3 season he has 80 tackles 7sacks 4yrs younger & 11,330,000. less..
with whats there we may not miss Dick,.i am hoping that Kellen Heard is our version on Hanyesworth both at 6-6 add 5 bs to Heard.our L.B’s have to come through also.
thats leave who do we trade Seymour for…?
a couple of what if’s there,but i would work this if i could………
"think of the solution not the problem"
Flozel = false starts..not off-sides..hit the post instead of preview..
"think of the solution not the problem"
by bojackson34 on Jun 10, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Flozel is too old and Jay Richardson Sucks
Richardson is nothing more than a run stopper, and a bad one at that. He’s a reserve he’s had chances to start and done nothing with it. I would start Scott, Houston, and Seymour over him any day. He’s been with the team too long I wouldn’t mind cutting him.
Adams is old end of story
by SilverBlackAttack on Jun 10, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
flozel for a season or two
to help the up & coming line men is worth doing.the line lacks leadership & maybe flozel would bring it…
"think of the solution not the problem"
by bojackson34 on Jun 10, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Really? I thought you loved him.
Getting hit by Mike Mitchell is very similar to being hit by a car...going 90.
I would say, more ignorant than confused
"What is your agenda?"
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 9, 2010 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions
After what he did today? He is not fit to be a Raider, i.e. loyal, street-smart, tough, renegade
He will have to make this up somehow. Meanwhile, we are in the deepest shit with regard to OTs – it’s even worse than DT now b/c I’d hopes for Veldheer who revealed himself to be a backwater hick … if not a punk.
"What is your agenda?"
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 9, 2010 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I think this falls under the Rookie mistake umbrella.
Unless he was specifically told not to say that, which would’ve been the wise thing for one of his linemates to tell him. I imagine a coach doesn’t want to say, “Hey don’t tell the press we are cheating,” but if another player did….
Anyway, I am willing to cut him some slack. It is first real dealings with the media. I am sure he was enjoying having people pay attention to what he was saying.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 9, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Difficult to believe that even a rookie is unaware that hitting isn't permitted in OTAs. In fact, it's impossible to believe.
"What is your agenda?"
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 9, 2010 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Knowing that and then knowing not to say what he did to the press
are two different things, I think. I hope.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 9, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Rumor has it that he’s the guy that got OTA practices canceled.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 9, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
He spilled his guts to the press that we were hitting in an OTA which isn't permitted in the CBA and we were thereafter
sanctioned a penalty of -2 OTAs.
"What is your agenda?"
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 9, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Is it a fact or a rumor?
I heard it was Barnes.
by raiderfan21 on Jun 10, 2010 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Barnes?!?! Where did you hear this?
That would be really disappointing. After the season he had last year, he should be the last one complaining about extra work.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 10, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha Your options in the poll are very subliminal.
Each one dissing Richard Seymour. Not enough to where it’s blunt, but still gets the point across.
I’m all for trading Seymour. With Trevor Scott, Matt Shaughnessy and Lamarr Houston, our DE spot should be fine.
Getting hit by Mike Mitchell is very similar to being hit by a car...going 90.
Although Seymour can teach Houston more than the other guys. That's beneficial.
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
I love your standing behind big Dick, P. I hope you are right.
by my comment, you can tell I will leave it to how the team views him at this point, which I believe is still as a necessary lift, sole proprietor of multiple SB rings on one whose been to the mountaintop and returned, and a perennial all-pro and pro-bowler on a team that is still lacking enough of that kind of leadership for me to be comfortable letting him go.
You’ve convinced me. Well, only if its for Gaither, considering tackle is the new dominant weakness.
We should settle for nothing; this team possessed the best line ever in the’70’s with Otto, Shell, Upshaw, Buehler, and Brown. Or Shell, Upshaw, Dalby, Buehler and Vella. Of course, Otto’s one of the best to play the position, but you can say that about Shell and Upshaw as well. Wis and Linc?
What’s this nonsense signing all these scrubs, who we know don’t have a chance? Allen Smith and Elliot Vallejo???? Who the f are these fools, anyway? If Gaither costs us Seymour, I say trade Richard. By all means, get what you can for him, which may be easier said than done.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
No trade
None of the options listed are more desirable to me than signing Seymour. A veteran of his age and experience is better off skipping OTAs, he’s a pro and knows what he needs to do to prepare. Skipping OTAs will keep him fresher.
Shear idiocy. Are you Dutch by any chance?
“A veteran of his age and experience is better off skipping OTAs, he’s a pro and knows what he needs to do to prepare. Skipping OTAs will keep him fresher.”
"What is your agenda?"
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 9, 2010 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
shear idocy is defined as
trading a number 1 for dick last season.
Al had to franchise him becuase he can never admit he made a mistake. Dick knows he is untouchable and will skip all the ota’s, etc and report when we feels like it.
All that said, Dick is far and away better than any option we have on our roster at de.
Doesnt sound like Flozell wants to be paid has-been money. We might land him as one of the only suckers willing to overpay for him.
Zero chance Fat Albert is coming to Oakland.
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Jun 9, 2010 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I still think he's not coming because of his kids. He maybe just wants to spend time with them while he can.
But if he really doesn’t show for the mandatory ones then I wont back him up no more, and I will be all for trading his ass.
When are the mandatory full contact OTA’s?
The RaiderLaker
There's no cap this year.
One year deal no harm, no foul. This goes for Seymour and Flo. Why in the world wouldn’t they franchise Seymour? They didn’t need the tag for anyone else.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 9, 2010 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm a little confused.
Nothing new. Seymour is “the linemen in AFC West” according to a link reported in ESPN. Whatever, they rank his experience and talent. Fat Albert has never played well outside a contract year and just got really paid ($20 mm + last month) where he feels entitled to dictate what schemes his new coach should employ. Valdheer is coming from D II; how many of his friends have attended any camps or Senior Bowls? He has absolutely no clue. Vets hate OTAs; rookies and QBs desperately need them so the locker is split on OTAs. Back to Seymour, how is he a Dick exactly if he’s looking for a long term deal to stay with the Raiders? Tom Brady is not that far behind missing some voluntary sessions as a subtle/not so subtle “I’m on my last year, it’s time to negotiate, etc”. Would rather trade for Gaither but keeping Seymour.
No way Seymour played anywhere near the best D-Lineman in AFC last year (maybe 3 years ago he was near the top)
Seymour is "the linemen [sic] in AFC West" according to a link reported in ESPN
All of these D-linemen are better than Dick:
Both Indianapolis DEs Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis
Houston’s DE Mario Williams
Cincnnati’s DE Antwan Odom
Kelly Gregg, Baltimore’s DT
Both the NYJs DTs: Sione Pouha and Mike Devito
and NE’s DT Vince Wilfork
"What is your agenda?"
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 10, 2010 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions
AFC WEST
you haven’t name 1 AFC West player. It’s more an indication of the division; Casilas was ranked 2nd for that ranking.
by raiders4liffe on Jun 10, 2010 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions
As much as I hate this Seymour situation, I hate Haynesworth a lot more. AH would just come in here, as he has every year save contract year in Tennessee, and be a malcontent who doesn’t care.
Haynesworth may be consistent, but he’s far from the dominant force he once was. I don’t even consider him a top-5 DT anymore. He’s barely in my top-10. While he is better unmotivated than our own Kelly, I don’t want a knucklehead on our team. Otherwise we’re just putting another JaMarcus Russell on our team.
Seymour has already done more for this team than whatever first round pick in 2011 could, and he actually wants to be here. He actually works hard, and cares more for the team’s betterment than his own stats or cash. He just wants the money he definitely deserves.
I want a guy who works for the team, instead of the individual.
And for those questioning how Albert isn’t a top-10 DT to me, here’s my list:
1. Kevin Williams
2. Kris Jenkins (when healthy)
3. Vince Wilfork
4. Jay Ratliff
5. Shaun Rogers (when healthy, there’s few better run stoppers)
6. Pat Williams
7. Jamal Williams
8. Haloti Ngata (he plays a lot of DT plus DE)
9. Casey Hampton
10. Marcus Stroud (had a rough year but I’m not ready to call him not top-10)
11. Albert Haynesworth
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
Thanks for the laugh, KA1Z3R.
Jay Ratliff (strong against run, substandard pass rusher … except against us last Thanksgiving)
Pat Williams another KA1Z3R one dimensional DT, i.e. run defender.
Jamal Williams (!) This is outrageous, of course. He played what? one miserable game last year.
Haloti Ngata (another KA1Z3R run stopper who can’t pressure QBs)
Casey Hampton (is this a joke? There is no way this guy is still in the top 10, especially after last season)
Marcus Stroud (he’s plain horrible) … shame on you, Kid! For hating Fat Albert so much as to rank him below Stroud
Speaking of good (for a change) DTs, where is Jonathan Babineauz on your list? Oh, that’s right – only rush defense matters to you and Lord knows what else (Jamal Williams, Marcus Stroud, Casey Hampton). So, Haynesworth who is only a top pass rushing DT is D.Q.’d and doesn’t even make your top 10.
"What is your agenda?"
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 10, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
this is why I barely come around here anymore.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
sorry I took the time to come here and type out my thoughts on the topic and to express my opinionated top-10 and not necessarily a statistical one since stats don’t tell the whole story.
Also, yes I like run stopping DT’s, I think they’re one of the most important pieces of a football team. To be able to stop the run and then take up blockers to free up others for pass rush is the biggest piece to a successful defense in my mind. If we could get Haloti Ngata for Nnamdi Asoumgha, I would do this trade without a second thought.
But apparently my opinion of a successful defense and a high caliber DT is now a joke. No wonder I have been visiting Mile High Report more than here recently. Even if they’re Donkey fans I can still state my opinion on there.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
Bruv
come back during training camp. we’re just stretching to bicker and pass time. Lack of true conviction; it’s just a wait and see how the team is shaping up. Knock on wood but the players are staying out of the press on questionable conduct. it’s a good thing.
by raiders4liffe on Jun 11, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
KA1Z3R
Name 5 DL better than Seymour in AFC West.
by raiders4liffe on Jun 11, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
0 DL are better than Seymour because Seymour actually helps the rest of the defense by teaching them.
Though his stats aren’t elite and many say he’s not worth that 2011 first round pick, wait till you see how Houston, Shaughnessy, and Bryant benefit from his mentoring. Three future great D-Linemen is worth way more than whatever we could have got with the 2011 draft pick.
Seymour can still be an elite force though don’t get me wrong. But sheer talent as of last year, I gotta say Jamal Williams is the one AFC West DL better than Seymour RIGHT NOW. There’s few better DT’s than Williams when he’s healthy. i hate him, but i gotta give credit to that one man O-Line wrecking crew.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
Hey, where's John Henderson?
"What is your agenda?"
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 11, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Bye Dick
Cut this selfish piece of garbage. Al always takes care of those who play team first for us. Me thinks in my teenie tiny brain that there are other teams with some serviceable DT will trade for Dick and there will be the solution to our problem.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jun 10, 2010 7:15 AM PDT reply actions
not w/ dicks contract
not many will touch him
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Jun 10, 2010 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions
He is currently not under contract.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 10, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank U
for saving me for going on a tirade about that very fact. It doesnt matter either way because there is always a buyer.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jun 10, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we should trade Dick to the Redskins for Haynesworth
if we’re going to have an unhappy player at least it will be in position of need. Haynesworth should be happy to come here and play in a 4-3, and most of his hideous contract has been paid to him already. Trade em straight across, I say.
o_o...*sigh*...All I see here...is a bunch of whining.
1) Albert WILL NOT want to play here. Remember, we got DeAngelo Hall on that other team? A person that will fill his head with all the negative stuff that we DO NOT want to bring back.
2) The last thing we need is Hall and/or Haynesworth to have an influence on Jason Campbell.
3) The Raiders Love Seymour right now, so HE IS STAYING. Period. End of Story.
4) Name another DT that people will trade for Seymour. And I ask you please, USE COMMON SENSE.
5) If we wanted Gaither, we would have Gotten him already. Period. End of Story.
6) Half – no – 3 QUARTERS of you didn’t want Haynesworth before this, Turncoat bastards. This is getting on my nerves, just like the T.O. Talks (BTW, he isn’t coming here…especially after Sapp did more talking about us..>_<"")
sigh At least it ain’t as bad as the Chargers, who don’t wanna pay Nobody.
Also, leave the rookie alone. We don’t know who the hell blabbed. Until we get SOLID proof, stop assuming things. Damn…Y’all ready to kill anybody and everybody.
In Bruce We Trust
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Jun 10, 2010 5:09 PM PDT reply actions
Usually, just putting a period sums up the whole "End Of Story" thing.
So no need for the second and then 3rd period, I’ll probably get it after the 1st.
Getting hit by Mike Mitchell is very similar to being hit by a car...going 90.
Haha...great point.
Not too mention it is not . Period. End of story. I don’t think the Raiders will get Gaither, but to say if they were going to they would’ve done it by now is just faulty logic. Just look at our Dick for starters.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 11, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Right, we didn't grab NE's Dick until September something
"What is your agenda?"
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 11, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Thou protesteth too much, me thinks.
You may be underestimating D-Line coach Mike Waffle here. Haynesworth can be handled; the Raiders aren’t so fragile as not being able to ‘absorb’ a difficult personality. It’s about the 480 minutes on the field (30 × 16) after all and Fat Albert is an elite player. As for ‘the rookie’, he’s got to wise-up fast. It’s certain that he, at least, confirmed to reporters that there was prohibited contact during the OTA. Consider the effect of such indiscretion had one of the coaches confirmed prohibited contact with re to the Randy Hanson incident.
"What is your agenda?"
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 11, 2010 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions
for a problem child
I would rather have a TO coming off the bench than Fat Albert. seriously. this guy can “be handled”; he got paid. The coaches work for him. TO old, run down, etc can still bring it in the red zone and he loves to work out. Having said that, so far our puppies DHB and Murphy DESERVE to play. Chaz may still be injury prone.
by raiders4liffe on Jun 11, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Not Another Loser
Al Davis needs to completely stay away from Albert Haynesworth. He’s had one good year, just one and that was his contract year when he finally played like a beast, got paid and then was back to the usual Fat Albert routine in DC. You would think the Redskins defense would’ve been top 10 with Fat Albert on the line, but they were 16th, definitely not what they were expecting when they paid him a ton of money for his one year.
Oakland’s not going to get the beast if Al Davis trades “Dick” for Fat Albert.
If the Raiders could pick up a starting LT or a starting DT by trading “Dick” then yes I’d be all for it, provided the player who comes via the trade must be a worker and be known for being a great teammate with a great work ethic.
Now children, play nice !!!!!
is it too late too comment, hope not !!! Henderson has been signed for that dt question mark !!!! Let’s put that to rest. Trade Seymour for Haynesworth, don’t think so !!! Let that thought go, PLZ !!!! Seymour wants a 3yr deal…….PERIOD. After the 1st 2 games last year, all he saw was double teams !!! No matter where he lined up at !!!! Those DAYS are OVER !! Let the season start tommorrow, with our roster right now ….. Top Ten Defense….This would be a very good bet !!!! If everyone PLAYS to their (hate this damn word) POTENTIAL !!!!
Flozell Adams….Hell to the Fuck no !!! Bigger version of Green, can’t remember the right snap count, once he left the huddle !!!! On this thought I say we wait til finals cuts and see who’s available. don’t mortgage the future!!!! So where does that leave us, whats there left to do? Be patient ….. yes ??? Maybe a receiver…..anyone remember Marvin Harrison !!!!! He still wants to play, and that gun charge has been dropped. Question is, is anything left in the tank ? Just a thought , What u think Nation ???
This is quite reasonable. The post was wriiten 3 days before we got Henderson - and did not trade for him. So we still have Dick
and our Defense is easily top 10. However, looking now at the entire team (and not our weaknesses on D) we are deep in LB and DE but worse than thin on the O-Line – especially OT. So, Seymour might be traded for Gaither who is top notch and can withstand your Cornhole comparison.
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 12, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I heard Gaither was Lamarcus Brussell (?) all over again, work ethic wise. Hell to the No!!!
Plus have more faith on the dutchman (looking to redeem himself after blowing the whistle) and Bruce Campbell. and the guy that might surprise: Langston Walker. (not satele btw, we need a center, hopefully next year 3rd round)
The RaiderLaker
Well, considering that Hue Jackson, who knows Gaither, would have lobbied by now to get Gaither if he was of significant benefit,
I am beginning to wonder a little myself. On the oher hand, his play last season was far better than Henderson’s.
I also like Langston. As for Center, stay tuned b/c Jim Otto believes in Samson Satele. If Mr. Otto is wrong (he’s human too) then Wisniewski next April – but he’ll cost us our 2nd pick.
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
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"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 12, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
My Cornhole Comparison ???
Where’s the Love, S.O.B. ?? Did we wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning ? Or was it the couch ??? Please explain !!! Don’t know if I should be pissed or not ?? LOL !!!! ONE less frustrated RAIDERFAN4LYFE !!!!!
Cornell "Cornhole" Green. If you're comparing OTs to Cornhole, I'm just saying that Gaither would pass the test
Flozell Adams….Hell to the Fuck no !!! Bigger version of Green, can’t remember the right snap count, once he left the huddle !!!!
"I voted for Al, he is clearly the GM of the year thus far we have made MAJOR improvements in all three phases of the game and this Henderson deal is just the icing, cream and cherries on the cake." - Ozraider
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