Who Will Lead Oakland In Sacks?
by JaKe. on Jul 26, 2010 1:48 AM PDT
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PrintOh the sack...Is there anything more sweet to see? So perfect. Violent, eligant, graceful yet oh so depressing to others. Hmmm. I have a feeling some of you will see that sentence in a different way. Ha!
QB Sack-a sack occurs when the quarterback is tackled or run out of bounds on or behind the line of scrimmage before he can throw a forward pass. That's how the dictionary says it. But that's not usually what comes out of my mouth as I see it. Usually I say something like "AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!" Then I high-five everyone around me. Or maybe it's "Shit. The O-line looks pretty bad today". But it used to be "Fuckin', JaMarcus".
Oaklands' D-line is usually quite talented when it comes to getting the sack. Infact, they're one of the best at it. So now that our Run-D is fixed a lil', maybe our pass rush will get even better.
Here's the guys I'm predicting to take charge in the sack count.
Reason:
With his career and job on the line, he'll have one of his better statistical years.
Trevor Scott OLB/DE
Reason:
His sack count has gone up every year since entering the league. If it continues at the same pace, he should end up with 9 sacks this year. But he can do much better than that.
Reason:
He's a badass.
Tommy Kelly DT
Yes, I'm expecting him to have a BIG year.
Reason:
Now that he has a new DL coach, and the right players around him, Tommy can finally excell.
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T.Scott is going to be a BEAST this year rushing the passer
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here." - Al Davis
Definetly. But I have a feeling LaMarr is gonna be a monster!.
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
I agree
Love his aggressiveness but can’t see him getting more sacks in his rookie year plus I think he will play a bit on the inside as well where i think he will be solid but struggle to get sack type penetration.
This is T-Scott’s breakout year i just feel it…..we gotta come up with a better nickname…..
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No way Kelly!
The only thing bigger about this guys year will be his pant size. DUD!
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jul 26, 2010 5:02 AM PDT reply actions
+1,000
I WILL HAVE MORE SACKS THAN KELLY I AM SURE OF THAT
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jul 26, 2010 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ll guess we’ll have to wait and see eh?
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
Nope
Its very easy to predict. That fat fuck isnt at the end of his contract and he is cruising knowing Al gave him a tonne of $$$ already so if he gets the boot it doesnt matter.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jul 26, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Who was it that told me Kelly was Top 10 in the league in overall DT production? I know it was someone on here. I’m willing to give Kelly another chance. He hasn’t had the best of players around him and maybe with Waffle coaching the DL, he’ll suprise many.
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
U
R far more and maybe too forgiving in my mind. For the dump truck of cash Al gave that guy he should be tearing arms off opposing team players each and every down. He kind of reminds me of another fat fuck who was given a lot of money by Al and then laid down on the field 60% of the time named Warren Sapp.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jul 26, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Not to defend Warren Sapp but he was much more productive than Kelly has ever been.
He did have 11 sacks one season with us which is about 7 more than Shithouse Kelly’s best year. He needs to go & use that money on a better option at DT or LT.
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+1
Yep
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jul 27, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Jake, Have you been sipping with He who shall'nt be named !!!!
It would please me oh so much if Kelly, for one, would just come to camp in excellent shape. 2) just stops getting blown off the line 5 yards !!! 3) Play the wouldbe Run Stopper we thought we were getting, when he signed for : (Yeah, this was when all were sipping something) $7.5 mil. for 7 DAMN years !!!! </strong>SACKS !!!!! Don’t Talk to me about SACKS!!! SACKS !!!!! Just do the those damn 3 listed above this year, and we’ll see if he makes the rest of that contract money ! SACKS, SACKS…………..Jake PLz !!!!!
Corredtion
That’s $7.5 mil a year, for 7 years !!!! If he makes the cut, THIS year, and truefully, I really think that’s a big IF, He better be that RUNSTOPPER !!!! SACKS !!!! YOU SAY SACKS !!!!!! LMAO AT THAT ONE !!!!
Trevor Scott ..
I watched Lamarr .. He was on a great defense. As good as he is, he had A LOT of help. I’m not hating on him, Texas is my college team .. He has the right mindset and is a hell of a football player. I think that one day he will be a star ..
Trevor Scott keeps on getting better though .. And with the improved and beefed up line we have, I believe it translates into him having a great season. I would love for it to be Seymour .. I hope the point Jake made is correct.
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by RaiderCreator5150 on Jul 26, 2010 6:43 AM PDT reply actions
Scott is a complete animal. And honestly, he’ll most likely end up the leader. But I have this gut feeling about Houston. He’ll probably end up being a starter and I just love it attitude.
It easily could be Seymour. He’s still a great player and with all these new additions, maybe he can live up to that 1st. Rd. pick we traded for him.
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
One can only hope ..
I believe Seymour can still play at a high level .. I just think Scott is so beastly, it’ll be him as the leader in the sacks department. I have that same feeling about Houston, but I still think his time will come. I think he’ll have a great rookie season .. And it will be sign of what’s to come ..
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by RaiderCreator5150 on Jul 26, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Like the post!
With the additions we have made on the DL I think Seymour will get 10+ sacks this year.
I definitely think Scott could as well.
That being said, I believe Seymour could possibly be traded.
"May the wind be at our back, here comes the Silver and Black "
10+ sacks?
Hm… I may ride that bandwagon. :)
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
I'm in. Confident too. Especially if we can get some production from Heard at NT
and Kelly maybe? Not so sold as you are, Jake. I think he’ll look better with new talent around him, but great? Not so sure…
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I highly doubt Heard will be starting.
Mostly because he is a rookie.
But I think it would be sweet to have a guy like Heard’s size next to Henderson. :)
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Down with Big Brother!
by patriotguy2 on Jul 26, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I think this year's dynamic will make it difficult to really say who "started" and who didn't after the year is over
and look forward to that. What I am sure of, is seeing every piece of talent we have on this team being worked in somewhere, somehow. It’s an exciting time for Raider Nation.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I think it might be seymour if he plays end.
I’m guessing around 6 sacks this year for him.
Scott will get around 5(I know. Close).
But how about some love for Wimbley? I think he may have a chance now that he’s on a better team overall, and defensively. :)
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Down with Big Brother!
I meant
to say his name but got busy. Good point I have him as a dark horse he has something to prove.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jul 26, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Kamerion Wimbley
If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother.
Bo Jackson
Wimbley is going to be a 4-3 LB. So unless they blitz him a ridiculous amount of times, I’m not expecting him to get any more than 3-4 sacks.
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
True
If he was a 3-4 OLB, we can have him as a 4-3 End sometimes on passing downs, although it seems unlikely.
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Down with Big Brother!
Hold up.
Isn’t Scott moving to 4-3 LB as well. This team is going to show lots of 3-4 looks as well and Wimbley is such a poor cover LB that for the defense to get the most out of him is to have him rush or play mainly in 3-4 looks. Also remember he was a 4-3 end in college which is where he may be best suited.
If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother.
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I tend to forget about Dez at times, but he may just make me regret that. I’ve yet to see any actual proof about all this muscle mass he’s putting on, but nonetheless, he’s still the underdog.
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
Even if he worked out hard in the offseason and put on a lot of mass, camp may take off the majority of the bulk
and he’ll return to a more natural playing weight. It’s intriguing because he fits his position better and matches up more suitably with big men on the interior front at a higher weight, but he’ll be productive this year, and a lot of folks who don’t know who the first NFL player named Dez Bryant really is, will know after this year.
The real OG Dezmond Bryant is a Raider, and I’d believe Jim Otto if he said he added some muscle weight when he did, whether we see the evidence or not. It’s more key to note the positions around him that will increase his stats. This guy could vie for numbers against big Dick.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Predictions
Richard Seymour: 8
Trevor Scott: 8
LaMarr Houston: 11
Tommy Kelly: 6
Scott could get plenty more, but I have a feeling LaMarr is starting next to Dick, so it’ll be hard for Scott to find PT at a position where he can flourish. Dammit, we need to move to the 3-4.
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
Kelly at 6?
Woah slow down
Dick: 6
Scott: 9
Houston: 5
Kelly: 2.5
Wimbley: 8
This is my sig, what do I do with it?
UR generous
giving Kelly 2.5 even I think 1 would be closer.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jul 26, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha! Alright, enough is enough.
Tommy Kelly’s one bad year was in 2009, and you’re writing off as if he’s the worst player in the league. Other than that, Tommy has been one of the better DT’s in the league racking up almost 300 tackles, 19 sacks and 7 forced fumbles in 7 years.
He’s NEVER played on a decent team yet he’s still managed to be a force. In 2008, TK had 5 sacks and that D-line was way worse than it was this year. Yeah, he had a bad year in ’09. But giving up on a player after one bad year is dumb. You probably wanna trade Darrius too huh?
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
No
Cut/trade Kelly and wait on DHB. Kelly has not lived up to his contract. If you crunch the numbers you will see that. Most people in the NFL will agree he is way over paid. For a smaller $ contract ok no problem but not at that bloated contract he has now.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jul 27, 2010 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions
How are you expecting Wimbley to get 8 sacks? He’s a 4-3 OLB. His job is now coverage and run support. Not attacking the passer.
Ya’ll can say what you want about Kelly, but I’ll still believe this is his year. And I can’t disagree with Houston getting 5, I guess I’m just biased cause he’s my favorite player now. But, you can’t deny the guy is a mean son of a bitch.
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
I think you have it more accurate.
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
Shaughnessy is a beast, but I think he may end up traded..
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
We have a quandary amongst us, here, folks.
Gotta go with the young Matt Shaughnessy here, but Richardson is intriguing in certain lineups. Kinda nice to have these depth problems suddenly, is it not?
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
How many people are on our roster now do you know?
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Down with Big Brother!
Number of preseason players allowed are 80
and they gradually cut until the final 53 for the season.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
how many are on our roster currently though?
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Down with Big Brother!
80 start camp, too.
I’m pretty sure it’s 80.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
i can pick 17 cuts from here
lets start a pool to see who can guess the most cuts…. anyone? anyone?
I'll Get Inside Your FACE!
by VaderBDCRaider on Jul 27, 2010 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Count me in, too.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I may
find time to do this and it definitely plays devil’s advocate and would create some good debate and conversation.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jul 29, 2010 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Hue Jackson's presence is going to be profound in finding the right guys to fit the program.
He brings a fiery, pull-no-punches attitude and won’t suger-coat if he thinks a guy sucks.
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It's why predicting will be tough too soon before preseason action starts.
I’m sure we all have ideas for our own legit reasons, but I’m with you on this one about Hue, and that the possibilities will make it difficult until the actual days before the cuts happen, to even decide.
I will be interested to see who picks who and why, and which, come to fruition.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
If I had to guess I'd go with Trevor Scott
I see him ending up with 10 sacks. I think Seymour will have a solid year and I’m excited about Houston but it’s probably too much to ask for a rookie to be the teams biggest pass rusher.
i'm glad u got such a boner for houston
but it is highly unlikely that he has double digit sacks…. not sayin he isnt a beast and mean as all hell, but as a rook, thats a high expectation….
i think wimbley and scott have the highest chances of being the sack leader, with maybe seymour and houston and richardson and shaughnessy all gettin a few… look for bryant and kelly to have about two each, with heard gettin a couple in there…. and dont forget our secondary sack machine, THE MISSILE MITCHELL, he will have two or more.
the reason i think wimbely or scott is that each has proven to being better as a pass rusher, and being seasoned enough to actually recognize the various formations and stunts that are common to todays NFL oline…
I personally think HOUSTON shall be a team leader in a couple seasons, and will be a beast, a cornerstone of Raider toughness and overall nastiness. I just think that it will take a year or maybe two before said beast switch is flipped and he enters RAGE-MODE….
i would love for Lamarr to be a contributor right away, a team leader, a nasty “SUMBITCH” that smacks of the mutant genetic test between Alzado, the TOOZ, and sasquatch…. yes, the sasquatch. A mean machine that breaks helmets, facemasks, and QB collarbones…. As is apparent, i should like a big nasty bastard on the line, and my hope is that henderson/seymour can instill in this kid some leadership values from the big guy side… a 2nd to DeathRo, a captain to his generalship of our D…. but as a rook is just a tad to close to unrealistic for my tastes…
I'll Get Inside Your FACE!
Here's the thing. Take any lineup of the aforementioned dudes and line them up...
who do you double team? Who do you put your best guy on? Who do you put a back to chip block? Who lines up across from your TE, and are you sure he can handle said person?
I, like our opposing defensive coordinators, do not know that answer… and that is a good thing, a very good thing.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
well
with the way the depth is, u stack it any way you want, cuz its gonna cause fits for any O-coordinator, cuase as far as schemes go, you can only do so much… whereas our dline as infinite more advantageous schemes and stunts and fakes and blitzes…. not to mention if an audible is called before the snap, as once your fatboys on oline are in stance, they best not move dem feet…. you cant shuffle a oline like you can a dline, and if you got what we got u can do some good work throwin em off…..
I'll Get Inside Your FACE!
by VaderBDCRaider on Jul 27, 2010 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions
id say either
trevor scott or matt shaugnessy. scott moved to linebacker tho i hope he plays d-end on passing downs.
JUST THIS LAST THING !!!!!
Defense wins CHAMPIONSHIPS!!! Hopefully we go through the season injury free, especially on offense. The more looks we can give on defense, especially with the talent it looks like we have on the Defense. The more players we have on the D, the more we can do on the D. Defense wins CHAMPIONSHIPS, LADIES !!!! Whether it’s 4-3, 3-4, 4-6, or even the 5-2, which is a look that would even fuck with Payton Manning’s head!!! It was said earlier, who in the HELL do they Double ????
Wimbely?
I think we"re gonna be running a 3-4 some of the time, so the OLB:s will have more sacks. What do you guys think?
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