Training Camp Philosophy
Is it fair to call this the first day of the season? It kinda feels like it. Training camp and consequently the Raiders assault on the '10 season is underway. With Mr. McClain signing last night it means all hands will be on deck for the first day of non-contact practices.
That's right, the team that lost two days of OTA's for having too much contact when it wasn't allowed is going to go exclusively non-contact for the first four days that it is allowed. Seems like they could have switched that up a bit. Cable Guy is sold on the positives of this approach. Here is what he had to say:
There’s a ton of benefits. I think the first thing probably is just how our team got into camp and stayed healthy through camp. I mean, other than probably the loss of Chaz Schilens. You know, you look at the soft-tissue injuries and things like that we didn’t have, that teams typically get in those first week, 10 days, we just didn’t have those issues. And I think, as I said to ‘em, the routine of it will really get their bodies kind of into the cycle of getting up at a certain time and having to eat and go to practice, and then rest and meet and go to practice again, and then meetings at night and then it’s time to hit the hay, and kind of get into that routine.
But the biggest issue is really stressing the brain, and bring us up to speed in terms of how we want to play things, and what we’re trying to do communication-wise in certain situations offensively, and I think really expose our whole team to getting a lot of walk-through reps, learning reps. So that was a big benefit. The players, how they felt about it. Cause we talk about these things: How was it? What’d you get out of it? What was good, what was bad? Try to fix it and make it better this year. So there was a lot of positive feedback. Physically No. 1, mentally No. 2, and then I think once we got into that phase last year, which will be Monday this year, we really were ready to go and got going.
He may have a point about the injuries, but I have to admit that I didn't see it paying any dividends in the mental department last season. A fact that may be more attributable to personal than strategies. If this strategy is going to work for Cable, then we will see it this year.
This is Cable's team and his guys. He has said the culture change that he has been striving for is complete. It's time to turn the rhetoric into results. As the under-worked Zack de la Rocha once said, "It has to start somewhere. It has to start sometime. What better place than here. What better time than now. All hell can't stop us now."
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Cable's opening comments
I really liked during his Q&A yesterday when he flat out said that they are gunning for the division title. I was pretty indifferent about whether or not the Raiders should have kept Cable in the offseason but now I really feel it was a great move to keep him…especially with the addition of Hue. I think Cable has weeded out all the bad vibes on the team and installed his team with players that are ready to give everything they’ve got to get to that division title.
I don’t have any issue with the walk throughs as I felt it helped us diminish the amount of foolish penalties we had last year and the players are behind this philosophy as Cable said he polled the players on the process.
Is it too early to get goosebumps?
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who make people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
Yea i liked his press conference too
It was hilarious when the topic was on JC and a reporter slyly asked Cable, “what is it like to coach quarterbacks who dont love the game” and Cable got all bitter at him and said “anyone who thinks JC doesnt have his heart in the game is a FOOL”
the reporter responded “i wasnt talking about JC. I meant in general about Qbs”
cable getting the obvious hint that it was about Jabustus said “Oh. (long pause) i dont want to talk about the past”
such a difference with how the organization views JC and his character. optimistic about the future!
by word2bigbird on Jul 29, 2010 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Problem for the Raiders is that they didn't replace
Russell with Tom Brady. They got yet another guy that isn’t proven to be a winner, and put him on a bad team with a bad line. Gonna take a few years before the Raiders can “gun for the division”. The Chargers are still better and the Chiefs made more off-season improvements. At least the Donkeys are circling the drain though.
Rock Chalk Jayhawk!
Go Chiefs!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on Jul 29, 2010 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions
We have more weapons than the Redskins, Santana Moss is a fluke. Who else is there besides Cooley?
We have more weapons and betterO line than the sorry ass reds (although they did upgrade with the draft with Trent Williams but it came too late)…
The skins line was horrid
Why do you think they had so many RB injuries and JC was playing keep away the entire season. I think we really need a significant improvement from Chaz and DHB if we are to get this vertical game I hear so much about going. The good news is that JC is used to relying on his TE and Miller is at least just as good as Cooley. I think the line will be better this year provided we have Gallery for the season. The only thing missing from the offense is a solid FB to clear paths for DMac…I really hope someone steps up in camp to fill that role.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who make people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
by Buster Bluth on Jul 29, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Really? A Cheif fan implying we need help at QB ..
Tyler Thigpen (2008): 14 games, 76.0 QB Rating, 230-420, 54.8 Pct., 2608 Total Yards, 186 Y/G, 6.2 Y/A, 18 TDs, 12 INTs.
Compared To ..
Matt Cassel (2009): 15 games, 69.9 QB Rating, 271-493, 55.0 Pct., 2924 Total Yards, 194.9 Y/G, 5.6 Y/A, 16 TDs, 16 INTs.
While I admit these are numbers we could only dream of JaMarcus getting last season, you paid Cassel top dollars to come in and basically replicate Thigpen .. How’s that working out?
Hardcore Raiders Fans are 5150 ,, (iBleedSilverNBlack)
by RaiderCreator5150 on Jul 29, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Whoa RC...comparing Cassel to Thigpen is crazy
Cassel makes way more money!
Let’s put it this way: Based purely on talent, I wouldn’t be excited about a trade of Campbell for Cassel. At this point in their career I think they are on fairly equal QB tiers. Given their contracts, there is no way I would take Cassel over Campbell.
Maynard for Jesus.
by Rich Langford on Jul 29, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Be nice to 08 Thigpen
He helped me win my FF league that year
"We've got to start listening to coach Belichick...we've got the best coach of all time. He's got the answers."
-Tom Brady, May 10/10
I was merely pointing out the fact ..
They were supposed to be so much more improved at QB, and Matt Cassel basically replicated what Thigpen did .. Only for a lot more money and he achieved the same amount of wins. It’s no knock on Thigpen, just referring to the knock he was making on OUR QB. I would not be excited to get Cassel at all. He benefited from a great team/coaching staff. I would have loved to of seen the numbers JC could have put up at NE..
Hardcore Raiders Fans are 5150 ,, (iBleedSilverNBlack)
by RaiderCreator5150 on Jul 30, 2010 6:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Drinkin the KC Kool-Aid I see
You are obviously drinking or smoking the good stuff if you think KC had a better offseason.
NO MERCY!
by RAIDERSNOMERCY on Jul 29, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
It's a long...long season
The injury issue could have some validity, but I think more importantly, this team has regularly had problems with discipline, concentration and sticking to assignments. Four days of mental preparation, walking through things before smacking everyone else around is probably a good thing.
This team has a chance, but the margin of error will be small and cutting down on penalties and reducing mental mistakes is a must.
Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.
Cutting down on penalties
is big every year. We’re not good enough to overcome stupid mistakes. Feels like we have a better coaching staff and a better mix of players to make strides toward doing that this year; we’ll see.
@WorldBLee
We're Definitely Not Good Enough To Overcome "Zebra" Prejudice...
This “D” could be a very physical unit if only those damn "Zebra"s let them play the game…A level field would be nice for once….Not to mention that every time we come up with a big important 1st dn it’s taken away by some “BS” call…
by PantyRaider on Jul 29, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Roster cuts aren't that far away
We need as much time as possible to evaluate the players we need to keep.
I think 2 days of mental preparation would be sufficient.
"May the wind be at our back, here comes the Silver and Black "
With the exception of a few idiots, this team wasn't at the top in penalties or yards as usual last year.
Thankfully Cornell Green was one of the main culprits so that’s already a plus. I voted it doesn’t make much of a difference but I believe the main reason for this is to avoid injuries early in training camp. However that didn’t really help as both Schillens and Barnes were hurt in training camp early for a major part of the season. Also getting all the rookies on offense and defense acclimated to the zone-blocking scheme early will help exponentially since both KC and the Donks run a variation of this scheme as well as we do. Its two-fold since you can’t avoid injuries forever but this year they have to have alot of luck with the injury bug or else they will regress.
If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother.
Bo Jackson
I can honestly say ..
I found almost the same joy from Cornell Green leaving as I did JR .. I hated that guy ..
Hardcore Raiders Fans are 5150 ,, (iBleedSilverNBlack)
by RaiderCreator5150 on Jul 29, 2010 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Good Riddance Cornhole
the Bills really know a steal when they see one. Welcome to 1st and 15, false start hell Buffalo
Just glad ..
That everyone has signed and will be at camp. If Cable thinks that this approach will work, and the team rallies behind him, so be it. I can see the point about having fewer injuries, but this is football .. No contact seems a little too much. If it gets them to be more disciplined and commit fewer penalties, Cable is a genius.
At least we know one thing .. This is Cable’s team, and he’s going to run it as he sees fit .. Could it be plausible that Mr. Davis is allowing him to do his own thing?
Hardcore Raiders Fans are 5150 ,, (iBleedSilverNBlack)
by RaiderCreator5150 on Jul 29, 2010 7:01 AM PDT reply actions
Why are people worried about 4 days without pads.
4 days of intense brain training without pads on doesn’t mean it’s going to a relaxed camp. Were the Raiders OTA’s relaxed? NO, they had 2 days of practise pulled from them because it was physically intense. Look at it this way, most camps in the NFL don’t start til this weekend or Monday anyway, that’s when the Raiders put their pads on. Their not missing out on hitting, it will come soon enough. In this 4 day period they get back to the basics of Pro football, which is very beneficial to young players and new comers, and the Raiders have 28 players that fit in that category.
Cable is growing on me....
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Jul 29, 2010 8:02 AM PDT reply actions
A positive(ish) statement from mr. rat
Things are turning indeed!
Maynard for Jesus.
by Rich Langford on Jul 29, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
well said, mr. rat.
I'll Get Inside Your FACE!
Yes, that me with Lois Griffin...
by VaderBDCRaider on Jul 29, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
This is only a good thing...
I have been impressed by Cable recently. I was cheered up by the recent draft and even though we lost a couple of days of ST, I liked his handling of it on a professional level.
Its no secret that da Raider’s propensity for ridiculously foolish and ill-timed penalties has cost us dearly in the past…so the more time spent on the mental portion of the game can only benefit us.
On a related topic, I have to say that i’m really pleased to have all the draft picks signed and ready to go. I like where we are currently headed so far for this year. Good job Tom!
I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
Jack Tatum
+10K
Very very big that all are signed and ready to go.
NO MERCY!
by RAIDERSNOMERCY on Jul 29, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
LETS DO THIS!!!! GETTIN MY TROOPS TOGETHER ALREADY! ITS A RAIDER DECADE BITCHIZ!!!
I even cum Black & Silver...
by Tramp "Raider Roxxxtar" on Jul 29, 2010 8:32 AM PDT reply actions
Sans pads 1st week is the way to go. All our guys are hitters and putting on pads is the green light to hit, and hit hard
there’s no pulling punches with these guys so full-equipment should be donned when everyone has a full-understanding of what they’re doing on any given play. The stress now is on meshing, coordinating, building good habits/reactions and hitting would be a big mistake until the learning process is in place.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
Agree 100%...
The hitting makes you concentrate on where the hit is coming from or how to deliver one of your own….Going threw the tech first with your mind focused on the script should have far better results…
The classroom time is very important
Coaches call it “install” time. The system needs to be installed thoroughly before going live—-it cuts down on rookie mistakes and unnecessary injuries.
Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death
At least no-one should be late to class.
With all that speed you guys have drafted over the last few years:P Get them to learn something on the other hand could be a problem.
Seems like the non-contact drills are overdone
and seemed to be behind the curve last year when the preseason started and were destroyed in a duel workout with the 9ers last year. Beyond a day or 2, I don’ t see that much of a reward to shadow boxing the football drills. He’s the coach though, so we’ll see.
You all occupy a world dominated by Kobe Bryant, consider yourself fortunate.
Yeah but..
You also have to figure that those five times that the Raiders were intercepted in the end zone by the 49ers last season was because of JaMarcus Russell.
I actually think this is a good approach to training camp.
You guys should have made J.Russel stay with the team.
He could have been the tackle dummy for you guys at training camp:P
He is certainly lethargic enough.
He could just stand there and look sleepy.
Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death
Only if he agreed to pay back the $9 million owed then that would be golden.
If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother.
Bo Jackson
Preseason games are extended scrimmages and should be used as such. Lamenting a loss in preseason is a waste of energy
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 29, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Until it is reflected in the regular season
As it was a year ago. Poor play will ultimately be poor play and last year’s record was reflective of that. However Pharmer was right in the sense that JaMarcus had a lot to do with the lack of preparation as the supposed leader of the team.
You all occupy a world dominated by Kobe Bryant, consider yourself fortunate.
I agree except for extreme cases...
like the preseason game against the Saints last year. It was the 3rd, which is the most telling, game of the preseason. The defense was unprepared and unorganized. A trait that reared it’s ugly head all too often in the regular season last year.
While I am not concerned about wins and losses, if any performances come close to looking like that I am going to be filled with a sense of doom and gloom
Maynard for Jesus.
by Rich Langford on Jul 29, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
True To A Point...
Not recently by any stretch of the imagination but back when we made adjustments something like getting exposed the way we did would have been a good thing…It would have shown the weakness in time to fix it…Unfortunately we were just stuck with whatever we had and went into the season with it….Let’s all hope that’s not the case again on that side of the ball this season…
Wake-Up “DC”….
One attempt was made to fix it though as we brought in Seymour but without being involved in our training camp it produced a limited amount of help…This season should be different….
At least on the other side of the ball we now have Hue as “OC” and should by able to expect to see problems addressed and fixed….
I'm with noontide on this one.
That 3rd pre-season game always shows what type of level of preparation a team is going to carry over into the regular season. Look no further than our team and New Orleans after that game. I won’t read much into any of the preseason games with the exception of that one and of course how comfortable our 1st-string offense looks throughout the pre-season.
If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother.
Bo Jackson
keep in mind though
that in pre-season, what you see out of the young players, or newcomers, is pretty close to regular season play.
In pre-season, the youngins and newcomers are trying to hold their roster spot by playing harder than others. This is one of the reasons why I enjoy watching pre-season so much. I get to watch the younger players perform at their level of play, on a new team.
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
Let the past stay dead !!!
New QB, New Offensive Cood., New Defensive Personnel, New Outlook, New Attitude !!!!
He who shall’nt be named, is dead to us, (figuretively speaking of course !!!) Mistakes on the offensive side (esp from the qb position) will be down hopefully 80 to 90%. Washington OL was worst than ours, last year by far !!! If the we can Keep the injury bug away(let us pray), And if Campell can have as good a year, as he did last year, (if not better) our playoff ich, is going to be scratched !!!!! Campbell is better than most people think, and I think this is HIS time to prove it . Look for me at the tailgating parties, section D, 66th ave. side, by the porta- potties!!! Just win Baby !!!!
That's Been My Stance Also...
I keep hearing how we can’t go back and talk about our glorious history as a team because we are all living in the past and not relevant to the present 7 yr disaster that has become the Raiders…OK….Than by the same token those 7 seasons are now of the last decade as we now enter a new era in Raider history so we have no need to be saddled with it any longer….What was was and what will be will be….
Look ahead….Preserve the cherished memories….Learn from the mistakes….
Those are the normal 3 steps in a man’s life…Why can’t it apply to the game and team as well…
Hindsight
No pads/ walk thrus are useless. IMO, you train like you fight!!! I didn’t like it last year, and I don’t like it this year. Theses man have played the game most of there lives, so why can’t they learn with pads? It doesn’t make any sense to me, I understand rehearsal, I understand gameplan. But there’s a time and a place for it and this is not the time to be lollygagging…
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
by gogomaplata on Jul 29, 2010 9:14 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
*men
I meant these men… Not these man…
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
by gogomaplata on Jul 29, 2010 9:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I Agree You Train Like You Fight...That's What Cable Is Doing...He Was Trained This Way...
That’s why we do this walk threw process in the Arts everywhere…That’s why we have the Kata….
Kata (型 or 形, literally: “form”) is a Japanese word describing detailed choreographed patterns of movements practised either solo or in pairs. …
Before we can take to the floor in combat we have to perfect the Kata for that level…We’re tested in battle and than allowed to promote the to next level…It’s about time accepted practices from the Asian Arts were incorporated into our western sports as well….
by PantyRaider on Jul 29, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Excellent Point PantyRaider !!
Same as in school, we learn for a week from the teacher,(well when I was school we did) then at the end of the week, we take a test!!!! Simple !!! Same principle applies here!! And as Cable stated, they did’nt have a lot of the fleshy injuries other than Schilenz(broken foot) & Mike Mitchell (pulled groin & Hamstring) last year !!! Other than New Orleans, Dallas, and I believe Indy games, we weren’t blown out last year !!!! Plus the players are all in with this philosphy. Happy Campers, and they seem to be willing to do what it takes, ie: Seymour showing up with the "Rookies, on the rookie bus, no less !!!!
I like what I’m seeing and feeling about this team. One very Happy RAIDERFAN4LYFE Here !!!!
Walking
through formations and plays for four days is not useless as it will be and intelligent progressive increase to full on play soon enough. What happens when on the first day of training camp Rolando goes out and fatass Kelly pulls a stunt rather than driving the hole and steps on the back of Rolando’s leg blowing his ACL because that dumb fat fuck Kelly doesn’t remember the play book because he didn’t come out for OTAs? Take that and apply that to all of our players. Yes I know things happen all the time in training camp regarding injuries but you still want to reduce the chance of that happening within our own team. Walk throughs and repetition is great to get the idea then build up the speed.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jul 30, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions

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