Trevor Scott: Where Should He Play?
by JaKe. on Jul 8, 2010 3:32 AM PDT
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PrintTrevor Scott will be going into his 3rd year in the NFL. He was a 6th Rd. pick in 2008 and came out of Buffalo University. At the University at Buffalo, Scott was an All-Conference selection as a senior he started all 12 games at left end for the Bulls had 10 sacks, 46 tackles and 15 stops for a loss. In 2006, as a junior, he started all 12 games at defensive end and led the Bulls with nine sacks on the season and also recorded 45 total tackles. Of course, Al got a terrific deal by picking Trevor in the 6th Rd.
In his 1st year with Oakland, Trevor racked up 24 tackles and 5 sacks. 24 tackles isn't very impressive, but 5 sacks is. Then is was obvious Scott had a nack for getting to the QB. In his sophmore year, Scott returns with an impressive stat line of 45 tackles and 7 sacks. But that year, Scott was tested at OLB, instead of playing DE. He flourished! He was a threat off of the edge and a constant hazard in the backfield.
Oakland has aqcuired OLB, Kameron Wimbley and OLB, Quentin Groves. Both players are suited for a 3-4, just like Scott. Now, Oakland has 4 OLB's. Thomas Howard, a natural 4-3 LB who is magnificent in pass coverage. Kameron Wimbley, a 3-4 LB who is solid in Run D and attacking the QB. Quentin Groves, another 3-4 LB who is very athletic. And Trevor Scott, the 3rd 3-4 LB who has the best pass rushing skills.
What do we do? It has become clear the Oakland is sticking to the base 4-3, but willing to show different looks. Meaning we'll see some 3-4 looks, maybe not as much as we'd like, but it's still a start. But where do we play these guys? If we're in a 4-3, the LB corp. will look like this:
OLB: Thomas Howard
MLB: Rolando McClain
OLB: Kameron Wimbley
I'm fine with that look. It's very solid and has enough size and speed to stop the run yet still defend the pass. But, if we're in the 4-3, I have a feeling Trevor Scott will see barely any playing time. He can move down to DE, but we have 3 DE's who are all very good at what they do. Richard Seymour, Matt Shaughnessy and my boy, Lamarr Houston. So it's doubtful Scott would see alot of time in the 4-3, unless it's 3rd and long.
But in the 3-4, Scott has a chance to become a star. At 6'5 and 255 lbs., he has the ideal size you'd want in a 3-4 OLB. Plus, he has the natural pass rush. If he managed to get 7 sacks while in the 4-3 OLB spot, imagine what he can do while in the 3-4 OLB spot. It may sound cocky or arrogant of me, but I believe he can/will double that number. Yes, that's right, he'll finish with 14 sacks. I have that much faith in Trevor.
So, our 3-4 LB corps. would look like this:
OLB: Trevor Scott
ILB: Thomas Howard
ILB: Rolando McClain
OLB: Kameron Wimbley
That looks like a fanstastic group right there. It provides plenty of size, speed and leadership to get the job done. If Rolando is what he's cracked up to be, our 2010 Defense can be a great one.
So it looks like Trevor Scott will get most of his time in at 3-4 OLB or 4-3 DE on passing situations. He's quickly became one of my favorite players and I hope that he can push the diversity of being a hybrid player and make it to the Pro Bowl.
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Just wondering, is it just me, or whenever you go to publish your post, it bunches it up into one huge paragraph and makes the whole thing look retarded? ‘Cause everytime I post it does that and forces me to edit to 2-3 times enable to get it back to it’s original version.
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never made publish post but it looks fine.
Scott will play on passing downs; he’s not heavy enough to be a on run plays or DE, too big to cover in the flat. Ideal for pass rush. The question is on a 3-4, who are your linemen? I think our front 7 is better than average and we can bring multiple looks. The key which you haven’t brought up is how aggresssive will we be in terms of blitzing? we looked spectacular against Philly last year.
by raiders4liffe on Jul 8, 2010 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree ..
But I believe I read somewhere that they were going with Scott, and I don’t remember seeing Howard in the starting rotations? I could be wrong, but I believe that they were very high on Scott and he would be starting ..
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by RaiderCreator5150 on Jul 8, 2010 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree with both assumptions about Scott but if he is starting at OLB in a 4-3 base we are screwed,
I agree with showing multiple looks as well as multiple coverages. Use him in a 3-4 in 1st and 2nd down from time to time and also use him at DE in Nickel, Dime or Quarter defensive looks. I believe Wimbley should be used the same way. Also use Howard as OLB starting in the 4-3 but also have him in on 3rd down at LB as well or maybe if they want to get him on the field as much as possible maybe ILB alongside McClain in a 3-4 look also.
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by TAW on Jul 8, 2010 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Finally someone agree’s with me that Howard needs to be on the field. He’s fast, a solid tackler and leader out there.
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he will be. And do not be surprised to see Scott get as much time lined up as DE
He’s learning to shed offensive tackle blocks. He had greater success from the elephant position because he’s a greater force and sheds blocks much better when building a head of steam or coming unblocked; he struggled at first with tougher opponents on the line, and even TEs and FBs. With the proper alignment, we’ll see him lined up at end, and in the position to make more plays with greater pressure from the interior.
I can’t wait to see Henderson and Seymour together in the middle, with any combo of Scott, Shaugnessy, Richardson, Houston on ends. I believe Houston will end up playing more UT than DE when all is said and done.
Do not place too much credence into announcements of who will play where, when I’m certain that the coaches and squad are as unaware of how that will look when the new, very real competitions at multiple positions manifest themselves into some standouts; it will also give us some great depth and versatility yet undiscovered by default. Lotsa special teamers among the group as well. Cuttings gonna give us some tough decisions.
We amassed a lot of guys who came in as lbs who bring most notably pass rush skills. McClain and Henderson , Houston and Heard will be the run anchors needed, as will McClain’s captain abilities to keep the front seven in line, and not biting on fakes and misdirects. This is what makes me so sure Howard will most likely be the Sam backer, who’ll cover TEs and slot receivers on the under patterns, and with improved play from the front seven, we can expect numbers like 07 when he and Morrison combined to get double digit picks, mostly from Thomas. Could be the best cover backer in the game right now.
I don’t know why so many folks think the soundbites that had Cable announcing who would play and where have anything to do with what we’ll actually field, especially since training camp hasn’t even begun.
We’ll know a little more when training camp comes, and even then, announcements of who will play and where will be meaningless lip service, as too many factors make the actual picture on opening day look quite different from what we’re led to believe.
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Howard needs to be out there
But I don’t know if he will hold up in a 3-4 against LG and RG. Howard is the only LB we have that can cover. Our whole line up is crazy on defense we have the people to play but no sure all stars on the Dline or LB.
Not necessarily..
My view is that we start Wimbley, Mclain and Scott and pretty much on every play we have either Scott or Wimbley coming on some kind of blitz with Branch picking up the coverage on either the TE or the unmarked HB.
Sure this leaves us in a Cover 1 or straight man on the first 2 downs but then we have either a 5 or 6 man rush (if we blitz 2 and leave everyone else in man) and good luck to any line trying to stop all of the talented rushers we now have. I mean, if teams want to double Seymour then fine, just try and block everyone else. If they try and single block all of our rushers then someone is going to beat their guy for sure.
Thomas Howard should be playing passing downs only.
by KiwiRaiderFan on Jul 8, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
This would work.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Scott lined up over the tight end, I like to see opponents tight ends shoved right into the tackle. He could eliminate the TE in this scenario.
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When you have a superior pass rush, you don't have to be extremely aggresive with blitzing.
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That's is my point about the whole switch to full time 4-3 OLB.
Of course Al Davis has never been one to show his hand before even training camp begins. This team doesn’t have a superior pass rusher though. I don’t think we are going to see a true base 4-3 but more of a 4-3/ 3-4 hybrid. All of the guys brought in are best suited to play the 3 technique and McClain, Scott and Wimbley all look perfect for a 3-4. Less than 3 weeks until training camp opens!
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by TAW on Jul 8, 2010 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d love for Oakland to move to the 3-4 base, but you’re right about us staying in the 4-3/3-4. Al is very ol’ fashioned and he’ll stick to his deep pass and 4-3.
I dream about our D if it was in a 3-4. It’s truely a scary thought. But maybe Al has an idea of creating some hybrid thing that will be the new system of the decade.
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While I know we'll give more looks than we have in the entire decade this year, it'll remain a base 4-3
the new personnel and skill sets give us more options to experiment, but I believe it’s more likely we’ll see Spec’s prediction of variations of the 46 bear alignment with all the tweeners we have in the combo DE/LBs and SS/LB types. All the guys we get are always in complete response to how our division’s strengths under normal circumstances stack up—big, strong, fast receivers like Vince Jackson, Dwayne Bowe, and until recently Marshall, and the TEs as well in Gates, Scheffler, and formerly Gonzales. It appears as though we’ll emphasize bringing back a dominant pass rush to give fits to the best of offensive coordinators, that characteristic once an essential part of Raider football.
Hopefully we’ve finally answered the run stopping weakness; I’m inclined to believe we’ve taken the right steps. Still need to see it on the field, tho.
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I'm aware of that, but you can be sure they'll be working to fill the very key position for Denver
as it is for all AFC west teams.
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They have Daniel Graham who may be a better matchup for Scott than Scheffler who was a down-field threat.
He is still a solid pro though so it could be a good matchup for Scott, Wimbley or Groves. More reason why I wouldn’t be surprised if Howard doesn’t fit into Marshall’s plans ala Morrison he may be cut or traded for a cheaper replacement. We already cut Ekejuba and still have about 15 backers on the roster right now as it is. I’m not sure if he’s still on the roster but if he is I really hope Sam “Yes I’m still in the League” Williams is next.
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by TAW on Jul 9, 2010 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions
he'll be the first to go, no doubt
too much younger talent that will ball on spec teams too. I wouldn’t be surprised to find Ekejiuba back at least on practice squad before too long again, if he’s not picked up elsewhere.
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Dan's a stud. I rotate TEs in my fantasy league and picked him up and cashed in a few times ly
I wasn’t aware Denver got him. gonna look into that trx right now…
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duh. was thinking of Owen Daniels...
Graham wasn’t much of a threat last year. Maybe with Scheffler gone he’ll have more shots, but I believe Marquez Branson and an undrafted rook might be larger threats. Denver looks worse on paper than last year by far. Wonder what to expect from Josh McD come opening day.
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scott has me pretty interested.
i went back and watched the last four weeks (redskins, broncos, browns, and ravens) to get a feel for what scott has to offer. conclusion…. i think hes gonna be somethin great.
this was his first time at LB and he looked damned comfortable. had a great slide and trail techniques on the backside and definatly knows how to tackle. he got ran over a few times during the ravens game but uh…. who didnt right?? someone said he had some trouble in the flats and he did during the first couple of games but durin the ravens game i saw him take those pretty well and also the hook zones were real comfortable for him. he’s an ex tight end so maybe thats why?? idk, anyways i think after a full training camp at the position and a lot of reps he should be pretty good and he’s got a high ceiling. BOLD the reps part though because the thing about LB is no one can really teach u how to feel the play. u only get that after reps.
also id like to think they move thomas howard over to sam backer and put scott at willy. this way they can put him in the best situation to succeed while still keeping one of the best OLB in a 4-3 on the field.
final thought- while i was watchin and researchin, i couldnt help but notice matt shaugnehssy (tuh hell w/ spellin his name) i really feel like we might be forgetin this kid a lil bit. during the bronco game he was tearin people up.
I haven’t forgotten about Matt, but I’m afraid Al has. We have 4 DE’s who are all capable of starting. Seymour, Houston, Shaughnessy and Scott. Houston was a 2nd Rd. pick and is an animal, and Seymour is the investment. So it looks like he isn’t starting. Maybe we can trade him?
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2nd pick or not
id like to see matt start for sure. we have great rotation so use houston for that and to spell TK for half of the snaps maybe?? idk. when tommy gets winded though he’s useless.
by frank7da2tank on Jul 9, 2010 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I believe Matt is under contract for more years than Seymour and he is much younger as well.
He should stay and even if he loses his starting spot he will be used in heavy rotation. Waufle did the same thing in NY. Take Justin Tuck who I followed since he was an LB at Notre Dame (my favorite college program) who was drafted and then moved to DE. Their Super Bowl year he didn’t start but he was in on pass-rush downs and was one of not the most valuable player against the Pats. Also to combat a poor run defense you get better personnel of course but especially depth to use in heavy rotation in the front 4 to combat fatigue late in games. It shouldn’t matter who starts since everyone will get lots of snaps every game. Also don’t forget Wimbley was drafted as a DE out of FSU as well. If anyone is the odd man out it may the loser of the Quentin Groves and Thomas Howard OLB battle. Unfortunately Howard may be traded or cut in a cost cutting move if its an even battle throughout training camp and the preseason as both of these guys are very versatile.
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by TAW on Jul 9, 2010 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions
if houston started
then everyone on the line is more of a run stuffer/ power rusher type of player. id like to see one starter on the line that can change things up and beat u around the edge on a consitant basis, and after watchin him ive got a lot of faith that thats matt.
by frank7da2tank on Jul 9, 2010 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Yea
ekijuba js said on his twitter he got waived he was a solid speical teams player its sad to see him go like morrison bt hope he does good on another team..
I don't. He never contributed crap but a few special teams tackles a few times a year. Good move by Al and the staff.
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by TAW on Jul 9, 2010 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions
didnt he block a punt a couple times?
i think he mighta scored a touchdown off one of them
by raiderfan4life on Jul 9, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Good subject on the post, Jake (Re)
The backer ones are always cool, especially since we’re so stacked with fools right now that no one knows shit about who’ll really line up where. It’ll be interesting to see who’s accurate.
Great to have the possibilities for a change! It’s great when you have a hard time deciding who to cut, and it’s my belief this Raider team will have that at multiple positions, backer being among the most obvious.
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Now what if the line lined up like this
Seymour Houston Henderson Scott/Shaughnessy/
Either Seymour or Henderson will get double teamed so if Seymour does that will give Houston a 1 on 1 with a C or a G and i like his odds on that everytime.
Howard has gotta be on the field.
Groves will be a DE and i’d like to see him and scott lined up there on 3rd and long.
houston at the UT
spot was what i had in mind personally. he can play DE on high percentage run downs and move inside and spell TK for 20-30 snaps a game.
by frank7da2tank on Jul 9, 2010 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Thankyou
So we have Houston Seymour Kelly and Bryant who can play the UT spot. I wonder if any of them can play NT besides Henderson and Heard.
by raiderfan21 on Jul 11, 2010 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions
he usually did whenever seymour would come down and play DT
though i really want matt to start, im truly excited to see what this kid from texas can do. watchin some of his highlights was like watchin art. this guy has some great technique. his start/pop/ and block shedding are all impressive.
by frank7da2tank on Jul 11, 2010 3:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I Just Saw This !!!!
Spell Kelly for 20 to 30 SNAPS !!!! This Shit is just too DAMN funny !!! I’ve said this before, and I’m going to say it again, KELLY hasn’t shown up yet , for the tune of the $50mil. Contract. If, and I say IF, he’s only going to be good for……what 5 to 8 plays a game, why would we keep this tool ???? And at that PRICE !!! Dump him and the contract, and pick up a good project, for the future and work the hell out of the Harvard Boy !! I heard he put on 15 to 20 lbs of mucsle this off season. Tommy Kelly hasn’t shown much since signing!!!! That type of money, needs to show more !!!
thats only 1/4 to 1/2 snaps... reeeeally not that bad man. a lot of DT's are spelled that long so they dont get winded
by frank7da2tank on Jul 12, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
though
im with u that he’s overpaid. the guys we have are just to young for me to completly trust. houston is a rook and ive only heard things about dez, not seen anything other then some good things last season. kelly is almost done w/ the guarenteed money so might as well keep him one more season and see what happens.
by frank7da2tank on Jul 12, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Don't know About You, I'm old school RaiderFanI
Maybe it’s just me, But if I’M PAYING THIS CONTRACT, I expect this fool to on the field, 3/4’s of the time, not 1/4 !!! I’m paying this dude to make plays, be the runstopper, and make an occassional bull rush up the middle, which, he is capable of doing, but not if he’s sitting his azz on the sidelines. 2nd Denver game, and I think the Eagles game come to mind where he played like he was getting paid for !!!! Other than that, we might as has well Kept Sands Big azz, at least he would’ve been cheaper for the same type play!!!
Scott may play for Tennessee as part of a package deal (along with MacFadden) for Chris Johnson
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You can’t think that Tennessee will trade Chris Johnson..
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jake...
alotta people over there are pissed he wont take the pay he signed for and perform, and Bud Adams is cheap… and he is not known for paying his producers… look to Haynesworth, Vandenbosch.. etc etc etc etc…
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by VaderBDCRaider on Jul 11, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
There’s no way it’s gonna happen! I just can’t see a Owner trading away his franchise player. CJ gives them hope and a new start, not to mention Vince Youngs succces. That team is starting to do something, you think he’d just trade it away?
Haynesworth is a big baby. Vandenbosch was getting old and they were looking to improve at the DE spot anyways.
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which they have not...
and our speculations are the whinings of ants to those fat cat bastards in the world….
He would trade his own mama if the pot was sweet enough…
THIS SHIT IS A BUSINESS…
IF THE MONIES FITS, TAKE THAT STASH AND RUN MOFO RUN.
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by VaderBDCRaider on Jul 11, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
why do you want chris johnson so bad, he had one great year, just like revis.
by raiderfan4life on Jul 12, 2010 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
In a word, he is the greatest active talent in the NFL whose presence in Oakland (after our postseasn) would raise us to
legitimate playoff caliber.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 13, 2010 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions
correction: we are already 'playoff caliber' - I meant contention for the Title.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 13, 2010 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions
You act as if Revis and CJ are flukes..They’re no fluke, sir. But they’re untouchable as well.
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im saying this is that kind of thing that always crashes and burns in oakland
it just amazes me how you want that to happen again.
by raiderfan4life on Jul 13, 2010 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions
we are all nuts
this is nothing but speculation… none of us have any pull or clout with the organization, so i believe that sons is just testing to see where we as a collection of fans are at…
Like jake said, its very unlikely that either of them are available…
but in a slow period of the offseason, when the biggest news we see is that our ex-fatass-not-to-be-named-QB is arrested for purps drank…. well, we gotta keep our minds occupied or we are gonna go nuts…. hence the poll and write-up… i would be all for it, as both are great players, its an uncapped year, etc etc… but i am a realist to know that we are gonna utilize bush and mcfadden more, and cj and lil walt are gonna have to step up to AWESOME1’s status… but damn if we cant dream about this or that….
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by VaderBDCRaider on Jul 13, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I have a proposal for Sons. Go to the Titans' SB Nation Blog and repost his proposition for a CJ trade over there.....
Then go to the Jets’ Blog and do the same for his proposal for Revis and we’ll see just what they think of those two proposed deals.
C’mon Sons, I dare you. I double dog dare you. Bwahaha.
They're kept in the dark over there, why tip them off? Who knows what machinations our Prince is working behind the scenes?
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 14, 2010 6:35 AM PDT up reply actions
And the possibility of no football the following season still looms possible
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