When the dice are hot, run the table, fast and furious!
The Raiders patiently waited for opportunities to present themselves and they have. The stars have aligned, now is the time for bold and swift action, during this uncapped year. With the following acquisitions, our enemies will justifiably tremble like women with palsy and the wretches they are with green envy.
When you’ve got burning-hot dice, when the cards keep coming your way, there is only one course of action, "Play fast and furious."
I’m of the same opinion as angelsoterica who advocates eloquently for our going hard after the Jets' CB, Darrelle Revis. "Many people, myself included, have said Al wants that Hayes/Haynes corner combo. And here comes the golden opportunity to get two Pro-Bowl corners on the same team, wearing the Silver and Black." [angelsoterica].
Revis is the one CB who could balance Asom1 on our opposite flank. Darrelle is displeased with his contract. Moreover, he is obsessed about Nnamdi and always measures himself against him. Revis has indicated a strong inclination to play under the same banner as the greatest active Raider and CB in the League. An arraignment could be struck pitting the two of them in competition with each other with incentives built in – a prospect that the most jaded sports law attorney would drool at. Imagining these two on the same team – our team – fills my heart with something akin to lust.
Hard facts: The Jets need OLBs and also a backup QB for Sanchez. Thus, we trade LBs Ricky Brown and Quentin Groves along with the honeymooner, Kyle Boller; we also part ways with current LCB, Chris Johnson. Ryan will want our 2nd round draft pick probably but with the foregoing package should be content with our 3rd.. Voila! Instantly our D forces the rush. "Forces the rush? ...Is that a good idea?" Indeed! With the additions of Death Ro (McClain), John "I’ll turn the other cheek and then break your neck" Henderson, Lamarr "The Intense One" Houston, et alia, smash-mouth football is back in town, our rushing woes behind us. What, I ask, will offenses do with DBs you can’t throw against and with a D-line that won't buckle? "Very little."
We have the hot dice, hotter than ever! The Titans don’t know how to value Chris Johnson who is justifiably discontented with his $1.6 million/yr - considering guaranteed money. The fact that the business men of that flat elongated state would quibble with him (the most exciting player in the NFL) is a green flag for us to go and get him. Even now, at Music City Miracles (the hapless name of the Titans blog), they are turning on him, evinced by such epitaphs as, 'Johnson’s become a me first player."
Hard facts: The Titans are weakest at DE - we trade them Seymour or Trevor Scott and Richardson and, to offset CJ’s absence, Darren McFadden, plus our 2nd round draft pick. The deal addresses both team’s needs – the Titans get two DEs and our former 1st round RB and are in position to draft a Center in the draft next year - which they sorely need and we sacrifice from our surfeit DE corps. We would have the Intense One - Lamarr Houston on one end and Matt 'Cool Kill' Shaughnessy at the other - plus either Seymour or Scott, whichever isn't sent to the Titans.
As for Seymour’s contract being too rich for Tennessee, yes, $12.4 is a lot; but it’s only for one-year and Oakland could trade or release players with bloated salaries, i.e. Tommy Kelly (we have John Henderson now who is better than Kelly and also the hulking Desmond "Adonis" Bryant), Stanford Rout's salary is grotesquely bloated and for what (?), Cooper Carlisle is being usurped by Bruce 'The Human Claymore" Campbell. We free capital by losing these individuals and offset the opportunity cost: $4.8 million remaining on CJ’s 3- year contract plus the increase necessary to bring him here. Consider Michael Bush and Chris Johnson in our backfield; not since our glory days when Bo Jackson and Marcus Allen ran amok from Oakland's backfield would such a tandem be seen in this league. Bush and Johnson might even eclipse that breathtaking duo!
So, Brethren and Woman of the Nation, do we continue forward? Yea? or Nay?
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playing fantasy must be your hobby
lame article, Revis is not being traded and no one would want ricky brown. That is so idiotic. You should be a lions fan.
by Al's Wingman on Jul 9, 2010 11:59 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Damn that's a lil' harsh. I know Lions fans that are VERY knowledgeable, thank you!
But you’re kinda right. It would take much more than a bunch of backups and busts (Kyle Boller Prejean) to snag Revis from the Jets. Only the Raiders and Warriors make mentally retarded trades like that. Even if we COULD get Revis for that cheap, I wouldn’t want him. He hasn’t proven that last year wasn’t a fluke and his attitude shows he’s nothing more than a Defensive Back version of Randy Moss, and we all know how that turned out here…
by Raider Zealot on Jul 10, 2010 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Revis played superbly in 2008 and got even better 2009. He he definitely not "a fluke"
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 10, 2010 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions
The fact this is an uncapped year makes this a great idea.
However the fact there may not be a CBA which may lead to a lock out then we could have difficulty signing anybody long-term other than our rookies. I also think the guy calling Revis a fluke obviously didn’t see him play the year before last. Also unfortunately because Nmamdi is in the last year of his own contract and Revis still has I believe at least 2 more left on his makes it more probable assuming the Raiders tank this year that Nmamdi may join Revis with the Jets instead of on the Raiders. I really like the McFadden, Routt and a pick for Chris Johnson. Although if the Titans don’t want to pay Johnson then why would they even agree to pick up Dmac’s ridiculous $60 million dollar deal?
If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother.
Bo Jackson
When you see a microscopic sign of progress, you really go for broke, don't you?
We’ve been making some great moves for our team lately, but they’re only counteracting 7 years of Crypt Keepers horrendous business moves.
All the recent moves we’ve been making are laying a foundation that we haven’t had since the Snowjob Game. This isn’t the time to go making outrageous trades and chemistry altering moves because if the last 7 years are any indication, THOSE KINDS OF MOVES NEVER WORK, and they only exacerbate our lack of productivity and success on the field.
We’re finally getting 7 years of sucking surgically removed from our squad in installments, why obstruct that progress by cancelling all the sessions and placing a few Band-Aids over the gashes? Why don’t we continue this gradual treatment of our 7 years of being critically wounded and leave the Band-Aids for when all the operations have been successful (a foundation for a solid team has been set and has produced on the field), and we only need the bandages to supplement the healing.
I hope you understand the metaphor ‘cause the moves you’re currently proposing are the kinds of moves that got us in that 7 year hole in the first place…..imo.
by Raider Zealot on Jul 10, 2010 12:06 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
re: When the dice are hot, run the table, fast and furious!
for the bulk of your argument i can agree with. the only negative is getting rid of richard seymour. dick seymour is a quality guy that i am not willing to let go.
as far as the jets’ revis is concerned, where did u hear that he was unhappy in new york? cause i aint never heard anything to the effect.
as for chris johnson and the titans, i wud love to see in silver n black gear. 1 can only hope if al is spending his nights trying to figure a way to get him in alameda. and if so the 1st person i wud send i darren mcfumble. because he has yet to repeat what he did in kansas city, as soon as he is he he is on the ground or fumbling the damn ball. so yeah get rid of that clown. PLEASE!!!
its been a long time coming!
but i will say that the signs r pointing to where its ‘fashionable’ to be in oakland again — my only response is — lets hope so.
by darkknight_13us on Jul 10, 2010 1:39 AM PDT reply actions
He could
become seriously unhappy in New Joke if they continue to deny him a contract of substance. The longer the situation festers the greater the divide and animosity will grow. I don’t believe the jets will give us Revis for anything short of the entire bank account. Which means its not happening. They will want the cupboard stripped bare with nothing to build upon or play with.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jul 10, 2010 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions
once they go public about willingness to miss camp, certain things are established
one of them being animosity on both sides. Both parties suffer immediately.
I’ts one area I’ll always appreciate Al for, and that’s his willingness to pay his guys to get them in camp with their heads right.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Personnel hasn't been the problem with defense
Asomugha said it best. The Raiders are limited in their man coverage schemes. They need to open up the playbook a lot more. I’m hoping that the major “front office” moves is a sign that Al is relenting some control including the defensive philosophy. Even though Revis is one of the best cover corners, we already have sufficient talent on the squad to make it work.
Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
That's a good point. However, man does showcase weakness (as well as strength).
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 13, 2010 6:24 AM PDT up reply actions
STUPID, STUPID, STUPID!
STUPID #1: First of all do you really think the Jets are going to part with Reeves for some back up players plus a third rounder?
STUPID #2: With two pro bowl corners sitting out there on islands, what do you think other teams are going to do? Yes, they will run the ball, play after play after play. And who’s going to stop them? Last season, we had one of the worst run defenses in the league. McClain and Houston will help, but we ain’t there yet. We still don’t have a solid D Line. We need at least one more stud DT (two if Kelly doesn’t get his act together this season). We don’t know yet if Henderson will be a stud or not. There’s a reason he was released instead of traded. He’s a gamble, not a sure thing that you can bet your season on.
STUPID #3 McFadden for Johnson would be great for the Raiders, but dumb for the Titans. Do you think they are that dumb? They’ll sign Johnson eventually. And why would we want to give up our best D Lineman and his backup (it’s not like were stacked at the DLine).
There you go… STUDPID Once, STUPID Twice, STUPID three times! Sold to STUPIDEST Dreamer!
Tooz, stupid #2 is stupid. When you have two amazing corners that will give you the ability to stack the box more.
and just let Huff or Thomas Howard cover the TE, that leaves you Branch, McClain, Wimbley, Seymour, Henderson, Kelly, Houston stopping the run. But I know its not going to happen (the Revis aquisition or the other suggestion).
The RaiderLaker
Tooz
Do you even watch football? Your #2 makes no sense. Two star corners create a solid man defense. This generally frees up at least one backer to blitz, and will generally free up a safety to do the same.
The Raiders shitty run D has the shitty zone pass D to blame as much as it does itself. With solid coverage at the corners, a defense has the ability to jam the tight end, and it has the ability to pressure the quarterback———translating to defensive players in the backfield.
Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death
Mike Mitchell missiles!
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Roll the footage of McGahee wiping Euguene from his shoes...
I had to lol too!
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
send him to Tennessee along with the others
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 12, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
roll the footage
of mike mitchell warming the bench….
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Jul 13, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL!!!! Welcome back rat.
If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother.
Bo Jackson
It's as if it's somehow lengthening this seemingly never ending offseason
prolonging the misery…
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
LOL, love this sentiment, brhynno
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 12, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Blanda wants the pro-bowl team wearing the Raider jersey hahaha (that would be awesome)
i want to hear your formula for getting Haynesworth AND Revis!
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here." - Al Davis
Yes, it's no secret, I also want Haynesworth in S&B. Let the petty souls wring their hands, but at the end of this post season
I expect at least one, possibly two upgrades along the lines of JCampbell and JHenderson.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 10, 2010 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
don't get me wrong
don’t get me wrong
I would love Haynesworth and and Revis’s talents on the Raiders however your Philosophy on acquiring talent is even less realistic than Mr Davis gettin Walkers and DeCantcoveraslantwithouthalp Hall.
I’m your biggest supporter Sons but you just love the post ratings sometimes hahaaha
You’re commitment to stirring conversation is un-paralled and much appreciated
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here." - Al Davis
Ideas are the most amazaing thing, Oz; often dismissed at first and, in time, they often become widely accepted.
Your comments are always valuable and level headed.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 10, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
provided, of course, the idea has merit. In a way, analogous to the Quantum Electro Dynamic!
Not that Truth and Light haven’t been analogized since the pre-Socratics; but Richard Feynman’s optical experiments and explanations for their results makes me want to quit my job and pursue the connection/relationship … it occurs to me that Truth may be the purest form of Light.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 11, 2010 6:47 AM PDT up reply actions
don't get me wrong
I would love Haynesworth and and Revis’s talents on the Raiders however your Philosophy on acquiring talent is even less realistic than Mr Davis gettin Walkers and DeCantcoveraslantwithouthalp Hall.
I’m your biggest supporter Sons but you just love the post ratings sometimes hahaaha
You’re commitment to stirring conversation is un-paralled and much appreciated
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here." - Al Davis
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"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here." - Al Davis
Purple Drank
SOB have you been sipping with JR? The Jets know that they have Revis cheap; same with the Titans and CJ. They won’t release these mighty all pros for a bunch a journeymen who might not even make their team. Won’t happen. Particularly the Jets who love their D; Titans can’t depend on VY to win games. Better off packaging Huff and a 4th for Gaither. Our sore point is the OL.
Thought the exact same thing ..
I scrolled down to see if this was a joke or he put ‘just kidding,’ at the bottom ..
Hardcore Raiders Fans are 5150 ,, (iBleedSilverNBlack)
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by RaiderCreator5150 on Jul 12, 2010 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions
CJ becoming a raider???.......Hahahahah
CJ is committed to to the Titans and a winning team…….Seymour is old and McFadden well let’s just face it…..He’s no CJ…….Good luck, can’t wait to see our first win of the season on September 12th!!!!!
by RaiderHater in TN on Jul 10, 2010 10:04 AM PDT reply actions
Hope to see your full roster come week one.
I got money on this one.
"We've got to start listening to coach Belichick...we've got the best coach of all time. He's got the answers."
-Tom Brady, May 10/10
Groves, Borwn, Boller and a 3rd for Revis is great but dismantling our defensive line with Seymour and Richardson going as part of a package for Chris Johnson is not wise. Weakening a newly strengthened area which has been a problem the last few years to strengthen an already strong area, RB, not such a great idea.
by Lawrence D Jahn on Jul 10, 2010 10:27 AM PDT reply actions
No way it happens..Revis isway too important to New York. Hell, he’s practically the entire reason the Jets are who they are.
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
Yes, you are probably right, Revis carried the Jets feeble O and D lines somehow and covered over their anemic rushing attack
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 10, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Laying the sarcasm pretty thick right there eh? Haha. The Jet’s are nothing without their D. And a big part of their D is having the 2nd best CB in the league.
Revis creates alot of coverage sacks, making the D-line look very impressive. Not that it isn’t, but he makes it alot better.
Revis is New York. He’s more important to them than their QB, Head Coach and GM.
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
Ryan >>>>> Revis
Revis wasn’t 1. B to Nnamdi’s 1. A until Rex came to N.Y.
They weren’t anywhere close to being a No. 1 defense before he got hired as Head Coach. Revis benefitted the most from his blitz packages and utilization of their numerous pass rushers. To say Revis is the most important Jet is not only a reach, but an insult to the intelligence of football fans everywhere. He was a big part of their success last year, but Ryan’s defense made Revis into an All-Pro CB. He’s great at utilizing his personnel to be one of the most aggressive defenses in the league.
by Raider Zealot on Jul 10, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I voted " Go for it! We keep making the right choices, don't stop now!"
Not necessarily for Revis, or getting rid of Seymour, Richardson, and Darren McFadden, (wtf?) But to keep making good choices as they arise.
"We've got to start listening to coach Belichick...we've got the best coach of all time. He's got the answers."
-Tom Brady, May 10/10
I would love to have Revis.
But : This is the Jets franchise stud. They would never trade him. Go for Haynesworth.Go for T.O. (we don’t have a receiver that will challenge Revis and I’ve seen T.O. punk him) If we had a stud receiver it would open up the run (we should also pass ,pass ,run for a while we have been a run ,run ,pass offense forever and everyone knows what we are going to do) , and sign a couple of DT’s . Huff will be fine . We need to stop the run and score some touchdowns first.
Where
the hell did U get that ass shot?
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jul 13, 2010 6:25 AM PDT up reply actions
No and no.
Give our young, very fast, athletic WR’s a chance to grow with each other. The only thing that would make this off season better IMO is maybe another DT, C, and a body for LT competition. It’s too early for me to declare CB a glaring weakness this year if the rookies keep improving, and our pass rush will be more aggressive as claimed this year.
"We've got to start listening to coach Belichick...we've got the best coach of all time. He's got the answers."
-Tom Brady, May 10/10
Wow
Earth to dude I think u took too much. All impossible. Revis is overrated. All he has to do is cover a WR for .9 seconds before a wobbly underthrown duck coming from a QB under pressure lands in his arms. Nnamdi is way better. If we put the heat on the QB CJ will prove me right. Lets get rid of our best d-linemen and RB for a less talented RB. Chris Johnson will prove to be a poor mans McFadden when we start blocking and occasionally passing. I won’t go through what has been stated over and over about Tommy Kelly. Statistically he is a top 5 DT.
I'm going to take this post as the greatest form of sarcasm ever exhibited by a human being.
Since this is your first post, I’m gonna chalk this up as you being an alias of a Donk, Chef, or Dolt fan who is waiting for a Raider fan to agree with your idiotic comment so you can go back to your rat hole to talk about it. GTFOHWTBS!
by Raider Zealot on Jul 10, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
First time here since forever just to say……
Don’t type in all bold. It makes you look like a spammer. It’s basically the same as typing in all caps. I don’t know if I’m the only one seeing just bold but since just this post is all bold I’m thinking this was done by him.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
kiss my ass
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 10, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
how classy of you
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
When you come back just to post something like that, people get frustrated
by Spirals galore on Jul 10, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
You're either with me or against me, KA1Z3R; you decide. But I'm not one for licking my wounds like you or jumping
ship and collaborating with the enemy. Do you raise petty matters at MHR too?
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 10, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Holy crap, god forbid i read S&BP and find a post in all bold. I’m not aware whether it’s a basic error or you doing this on purpose or even accidentally. Just that in my time on SB Nation I’ve never encountered an error like this, thus i thought you had done this.
So forgive me for giving some advice on not all-bolding. If this was an error, fine, you don’t have to jump down my throat for it.
Oh by the way, this has been the only time petty matters have been raised on any site for me. Everywhere else there’s a community that won’t get a little contingent together every time someone says anything, even if it’s just offering up some words of tips/advice to someone I’d like to get rid of bad blood with.
And if you’re going to use this quote:
First time here since forever just to say……
You’ve taken it the wrong way (not you but Spirals) which is understandable due to bad wording on my part. I meant that I’m coming on here to say this because I just noticed it and since it’s front page and i was unaware such errors could exist (as once again I’ve never seen or experienced on in my over two years here) that I was trying to tell him he might want to fix it since all bold print just looks bad especially on the front page of a blog.
Is this kind of stuff going to keep up every time I come here and offer up some kind of advice or even do anything?
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
by KA1Z3R on Jul 11, 2010 6:33 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't have bold on the front page.
The font changes to something else when I click on the post. Armstrong’s posts often get similarly messed up, and sometimes Noontide’s. I also won’t forget the recent time in history when the font in one of Papabegood’s comments changed the font of all comments afterwards. We joked about it. It’s not really a big deal – we are here to discuss, so the font is a minor detail. As to my misunderstanding of your words – misunderstandings happen, and that’s why we explain later. Good job explaining what you meant – on forward!
by Spirals galore on Jul 11, 2010 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Seriously, K, the bad blood should be water under the bridge
While I feel your personalities and styles will always clash, and produce spirited battles, I’m finding it hard to believe you’ve both allowed it to carry on this far. We miss your presence, as does the blog. I look forward to the day it’s all forgotten, and we can continue the enriching discussion of our football team and its future. It’s not the same without your input.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
KA1Z3R
I thought you were taking a sabbatical to work on your writing with the intention of coming back more fluid, witty, facts led; in short, content driven. The first comment you make in a month is about superficial fonts. Are you sure that you’re working on your game? Just saying.
by raiders4liffe on Jul 11, 2010 3:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I think we all know that this site does strange things to fonts sometimes.
No need to come back just to say something you are not positive about.
by Spirals galore on Jul 10, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
CJ is the Dexter McCluster prototype (just bigger and stronger); having those two on the same field twice a year would be over the top
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 10, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, it's Yul
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 10, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
... as a renegade robot
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 10, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
OOOOOO K !!!!!
Even though I voted yes on the poll, It was with this thought in mind !!!! Winning the Super Bowl This year and NEXT YEAR !!!! And also with the thought that Big AL, who just turned, 80 or 81 a couple of weeks ago, figures time is not on his side, which make all these thoughts feasible !!! So if, not 1, but both organizations had such immense brainfarts to cause them to even consider these deals, I say if it could be done, go for it !!!! S-O-B, U know I got your back !!! You want to win as much as the old man in charge does, for you to think this up !!! LMAO !!! But lets get Real here. Revis Deal: Someone mentioned we would have to deplete the cabinet of all supplys to make this deal, and starve in the process !! Worth it ?? I don’t think so. As much as i like to win, I still got to eat !!! CJ Deal: both our rookie tackles, Mcfumble, Half of the d-line that We just put together, or some aspects of all of the above !!! One thing in your Favor with CJ. He makes any line in front of him look like probowlers, He’s JUST THAT DAMN GOOD !!!!! He alone could add 14 pts per game !!! Revis Could mean minus 7pts scoring per game !!! But 1 or 2 men don’t make a team !! Say it’s a done deal, and 1 or (god forbid) both come up hurt. Another few years of losing ???? Naw my brother, as much as I like your swagger, I say we keep the course we’ve been running, without the extreme reach’s !!!!! RAIDERFAN4LYFE HERE, WAITING FOR THE SEASON TO START !!!!
p.s. I think we still need to go get a OLT before the season starts !!! PROTECT CAMPBELL, AT ALL COST !!!
Balance and Briliance. We have imbalance now at LCB and at RB and we lack a superstar on O (as we have on D)
A Superbowl has not been won, that I know of, without a team’s having a stellar player on either side of the ball.
fn. While I’m fully confident w/Michael Bush, MacFadden, at least at RB, has not impressed.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 10, 2010 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
its not worth it..
there is no way I would give up McFadden or Seymour not for CJ we need a WR any way
While I always completely appreciate the clear sentiment for this team to be the best, sb contender that we can always expect from you
I had to choose the minority latter decision on this post, and once again, I think we must ask ourselves if changing what we have right now is actually the right decision, and make no mistake, these moves would significantly do that.
I believe a more likely Hayes/Haynes combo would be Asomugha/Bailey, and more similar in dynamic with Lester paired up with Haynes coming from rival New England, approaching the eve of his career. Jets don’t have any desperate needs, and if they don’t want to pay Revis contract, are they gonna pay big Dick $12.4?
Tennessee will pay CJ, just having a hard time doing so. McFadden could have the kind of year CJ had if everything fell into place, we got the tackle we need, and he’s used effectively for a change.
Too much change at this juncture would disrupt the un Al Davis like moves we’ve made of late. No big money FAs, no more obvious egos, a clear push for character guys and leadership.
That, to me, is what will always make Nnamdi light years better than Revis. Revis will never be a shadow of the leader Nnamdi is and has been for the Raiders and the Nation. It’s why I’m appalled when journalists call his contract ridiculous. It was, yet again, indirectly brilliant on Al’s part. It messed things up for every other team in the league, especially those with studs at corners at contract negotiation time.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
A Bailey trade would make sense
and McDoofus is stupid enough to do it.
tatum, davidson, romanowski, wisniewski...LET'S GET NASTIER!!!!
by angelesoterica on Jul 10, 2010 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
This pretty much summed it up for me, too, and well said
All the recent moves we’ve been making are laying a foundation that we haven’t had since the Snowjob Game. This isn’t the time to go making outrageous trades and chemistry altering moves because if the last 7 years are any indication, THOSE KINDS OF MOVES NEVER WORK, and they only exacerbate our lack of productivity and success on the field.
How is it that mere mention of that fucking snow game pisses me off to no end?
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Sheeeit......
Who you tellin’? The mere thought of referencing that game makes me want to ask Bernard Pollard for an encore presentation.
Then again, SB XLII made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside when I saw that the true MVP of the game was a guy named Justin Tuck. Poetic Justice, no?
by Raider Zealot on Jul 11, 2010 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Meh, dreams of glory
Let’s face it, there is no real way that the Jets are going to let Revis go, and the Titans are not going to let Johnson get away. You can pretend and hope, and hope and pretend, but next year both players will be where they are now.
Still, even in pie-in-the-sky pipedreams you can’t get top-flight players with trading back-ups and players who haven’t, for the most part, achieved much of anything. I mean really, c’mon… an injury-prone backup, a converted DE that hasn’t shown anything yet, a QB that has yet to live up to his draft position, and a decent CB for Revis? I don’t think that would even fly on Madden.
As for Johnson, why in the world would the Titans want to give him up for a DE that is looking at 2-3 more good years, a DE that has not been able to stake out a starting position on a weak defensive line, and an injury-prone underachieving RB?
I’ve enjoyed the offseason so far as well, but I’m fairly sure that we aren’t going to be able to just trade for every team’s best players, using the roster we have now, and an occasional draft pick.
Failure builds character; success reveals it
by signcut on Jul 10, 2010 8:26 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
How about
Al Davis just reach really really deep into his pockets and sign everybody in the leaguge to a bigger contract and make them play for the raiders. we would win the super bowl every year by forfit because there would be no one to play against yeah that will work.
"The Silver and Black are Back" -Greg Papa 2002 AFC Championship game
cynicism pushed too this extent borders on autism
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 10, 2010 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Bordors on pure INSANITY !!!
Not unless Steinbrenner buys a piece of the RAIDERS !!! Then, that would make sense !! Now how crazy is that thought ?
? for u S-O-B? How do u add the little quotes at the bottom of each post, like on nishal26 post: “The Silver & Black” – Greg Papa 2002 AFC Championship game
"Oh God, please do not permit me to be mad."
Having prayed, I want Chris Johnson in Silver & Black and consider it a sane idea to offer the Titans MacFadden, Trevor Scott and our 2nd pick for him. They need a DE right now, will need to replace CJ, and will get the C they need in next year’s draft.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 11, 2010 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Sons, don't be a rook. CJ, the Titan's RB, will be out of the league in 3-4 more years. I'm dead serious.
When you have such a small frame, there are so many times you can take hits from guys like Ray Lewis, Patrick Willis, Cushing, Taylor Mays, etc. He wants to get paid now because he knows, he feels the effects and the toll it’s taking on his body. In this league guys like CJ and McCluster will be injury prone. Smal dudes won’t make it for long, guys like Stephen Jackson, Adrian Peterson are more ideal as complete RB’s even our very own Michael Bush, and McFadden. If anythig why not pry loose Jackson, or take a look at Lynch?
Although I do see CJ thriving in the AFC west as there are no big hitters here but come playoffs…. he’ll be in trouble.
The RaiderLaker
When you are soo fast like him and you inpact on a dude like Ray, lets just say you were in a major car crash... he won't last.
The RaiderLaker
I was going to say the same thing about CJ. If he continued at the rate he has in all purpose yards
the career would be extremely short lived. Remember how good Priest Holmes was, and how quickly he declined and disappeared into oblivion? Same type of guy.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I doubt it’ll happen, but thinking about Holmes makes is almost reasonable.
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
Not really....
CJ is 5’11. Priest was like 5’8 or 5’9 at the tallest.
CJ will be more durable than AP because AP’s style of running will likely catch up to him. CJ is more of a Barry Sanders kind of rusher where he uses his quickness to get past most rushers and his explosiveness to burst through any hole he’s provided with. AP just likes to try to beat up on every defender within a 20 yard radius of him and most other rushers who are like that don’t last very long in this league.
by Raider Zealot on Jul 11, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
He was bigger
frame wise. CJ looks like a CB rather than a RB sometimes. I knew Priest would be out of the league after a few years just like Porter will languish with injuries for the rest of his career.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jul 11, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Same type of guy in that he's not your prototypical workhorse guy in the mold of Eddie George or even Bettis
and moreso in the way he had explosive speed, compact power in a smallerish frame and stature, and great hands and instrumental in the pass game both blocking and catching and running. Also dangerous in special teams if the need should call. Dangerous whenver they touch the ball, making it irresistible to put him more in harm’s way than your average guy.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Yeah, but he also doesn't try to annihilate every defender within reach...
So being a lil’ more slender won’t be much of a problem. The only thing that will seriously limit CJ’s career is the Titans’ O-Line. If they don’t develop a top 5 O-Line that’s anywhere near as good as Minnesota has, it could spell trouble for him, but having a player as dynamic as Vince Young at QB will add a few years to his productivity if they utilize both their talents correctly. CJ shouldn’t be returning kicks and punts for too much longer if they want to be able to use him for another 5-8 years.
by Raider Zealot on Jul 11, 2010 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah
its nice to have a threat at special teams to return but using your everyday starter at RB or WR is kinda stoooooppppppiiiiiidddddddddd.
I dont know why coaches do that. It only does a disservice to the team and the player in the long run when you wear down a star player like CJ. I am thinking AP is going to start having an injury list build up.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jul 12, 2010 6:01 AM PDT up reply actions
the better backs in the league realize for longevity to be a possibility at all
they must eventually embrace that reality that they must learn to avoid initial contact, and beat guys. Justin Fargas has improved in this department significantly, but it just might not be possible to change one’s natural style completely.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Well
I think Justin Fargas may have realized this a little late in his career.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jul 12, 2010 6:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed! You'd think a guy whose career starting coming off a significant injury
would figure that out sooner. I still appreciate the bruising style with which he plays, but agree it does nothing for the player’s chances at playing for more than 5-6 years, or their health afterwards.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Guys why do we all think Revis is the only guy who can play on the other side of Aso???
Are we saying that CJ is the 3rd best corner in the league? DHALL sucked at man but that dosen’t mean all corners suck at man besides Aso and Revis. Personally i think Revis is overrated. Their pass rush is so good that QBs throws aren’t as accurate. Theres gotta be other Corners who are an upgrade from CJ who we can get cheaper.
With Pressure From The D-line
CJ might be all we need, not saying that if a deal for Champ Baily, could be had , which is plausible considering McDoofus, thinks he can wheel & deal like Belicheat. With added pressure from the line, Johnson will be BETTER !!! No matter who we line up on the other side, with no added pressure, they could be victimized !!!
Revis is not going anywhere
“As we suspected, Revis won’t want to place future guarantees in his contract at risk by holding out. Although he does have the option to void the remaining two years on his contract after the season, the Jets can follow up by buying back those years at $20 million guaranteed. A holdout this summer would put that guaranteed money in jeopardy. The Jets seem willing to make Revis the highest paid corner in NFL history, but Revis’ unreasonable demand to surpass Nnamdi Asomugha’s annual salary is holding up a long-term agreement”.
Please keep Fat Albert away from us. We need better OL. That’s it.
Trades
I disagree with doing any trades at this point right now.We had a good draft,picked up a few more free agents.Lets go into camp with what we have.These players need time to gel.You start making trades now and we,ll be right back where we were.Lets see what works and what doesn,t.
Would you think the same if we had a shot at Chris Johnston involving MacFadden,one of our DEs and a 2nd round pick?
CJ the magnificent RB (not CJ the fast, good tackler but too often deceived and undisciplined CB) would be worth such a trade (but not for Houston).
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 11, 2010 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Sons, you are usually are one of the sanest minds on the site however think about your trade scenario for a minute.
Chris Johnson is upset because he wants money comparable to whom…Darren MacFadden. The Titans don’t want to give him that type of money so why would they give him up to absorb Dmac’s ridiculous rookie deal when Chris Johnson has proven much more on the field? Also since this team got rid of Fargas, I for one am excited to see both Bush and MacFadden get the brunt of the carries finally to show what they can do. I am optomistic escpecially with improved QB play for the entire season instead of 5 to 7 games.
If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother.
Bo Jackson
MacFadden's ridiculous salary would be offset by Trevor's modest $420,000 K and a 2nd draft pick. MaFadden is
a good ‘ol southern man who’ll fit in and mind his manners (at least, outside the boudoir). But, you have shown some evidence, at least there’s a possibility, that passion affects my judgment, i.e. contract realities.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 13, 2010 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Also keep in mind they just drafted Derrick Morgan who I believe is the most NFL- ready DE in this year's draft.
Scott would have trouble getting time with a rookie making top 20 pick money. I think we should stick to our guns. Hell even consistent Raider-hater Mark Schlereth is saying we look to be the team rated in the bottom of the AFC that may surprise many this year and challenge San Diego this year. If we mix up defensive schemes and coverages then we can protect Chris Johnson and the rest of our defensive backfield’s weaknesses from being exposed.
If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother.
Bo Jackson
MO MONEY
There’s a reason why Revis and Johnson our not happy with their currant situation, they both want huge contracts. Revis wants 50 more cents than Nnamdi’s contract, no telling what Johnson is shooting for? I wasn’t aware the Raiders were loaded with money to bring on such players? Davis had to sell part of the team last time he brought in high dollars players. The Raiders simply don’t draw the fans to pay for these 2 players, there for this is nothing but a pipe dream.
so you go the
MASTER P and RICKY WILLIAMS route… heavily incentive laden on the grounds of superior performance…. just hope the dinna fall off like Williams did…
I'll Get Inside Your FACE!
by VaderBDCRaider on Jul 11, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I am HELL on WHEELS
with the dice, and the 21 is my best ### ever, so i know when i am saying this: “Uncle AL, have that hott assed blonde blow on your fingers and roll it while Lady Luck is in love with us…”
that is an interesting notion… CJ for three guys and a draft pick? Revis for 4 and a pick?
No brainer… seriously. Two great players and we are stacked… MCFUMBLES for CJ? doth mine ears deceiveth me? is that even fair? ofcourse not, but we dont play fair in football.
WE PLAY TO WIN BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll Get Inside Your FACE!
Which is exactly why this is an exercise in futility
Why the hell would anyone TAKE “McFumbles for CJ”?
And yet there are those here who are acting like it’s anything more than dreaming, because they want it to happen.
Failure builds character; success reveals it
It would not only be DMAC in the deal (who averaged ~ 1 fumble every 24 carries) but Trevor Scott - an excellent DE
who might have led the team in sacks had he not been so versatile as to be moved to OLB the last 5 games. We are rich, for a change, in DEs, having signed Dick Seymour, drafted Houston, seen the solid steady development of Matt Shaughnessy. So, we sacrifice a good Raider, Scott, and DMAC and get the best RB in the league. This is not an exercise in futility at all. CJ is not being treated at all fairly in Nashville and we have players that they would instantly benefit from while we would have the nostalgic reincarnation of Bo Jackson and Marcus Allen in the embodiment of Michael Bush and Chris Johnson.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 11, 2010 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Sons, If New York came to us offering two back-up CB’s, a WR you’ve never heard of and their 2nd for Nnamdi, what would you say?
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
I would say yes, only if we get next years 2nd round (it may be a high second round) and 2012's first round pick.
along with Chris Johnson and Seymour. Not a bad deal right there.
The RaiderLaker
I would make a counter-offer and keep negotiations alive [knowing all the while that Nnamdi is not negotiable]
But the CJ deal makes a lot of sense. Trevor Scott is exactly the type of player they need – a rushing DE; and MacFadden is a speed demon with good hands taken ahead of CJ in ‘08 + we throw in a draft pick and Voila! We have Bo & Marcus II. I agree that Seymour’s K is too rich for the likes of Tennessee.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 11, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Didn’t they just take Derick Morgan? One of the best pass rushing DE’s in the draft. And just because Darren was taken ahead of Chris in 2008 doesn’t mean Darren’s better.
You’re asking Tennessee to trade away the best offensive player in the league for bust HB, a 2nd year former 6th rd. pick with only 12 career sacks and a draft pick that might not even pan out for them. I know you’re a smart guy, how can you not see that this proposition is ridiculous?
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
well, their best?
maybe at the positions…
but a cancer is a cancer….
some teams actually realize locker room cohesiveness and do what they gotta do….
I'll Get Inside Your FACE!
...
First, for some perspective:
All of you must go out and buy the Football Outsider’s Almanac. This is the best annual collection of statistical analysis for every single team. Read up the Jets section, and you will see that what Revis did last year for a CB would be comparable, oh, lets say for a WR, to have 200 receptions and 2500 yards. The Jets defense was predicated on Revis taking away a side of the field. He is arguably not only better than Aso, but the best PLAYER in the entire league.
Any deal for Revis would require at least a 1st or two. They would let Revis sit out an entire year before they let him go for the deal suggested in this post. As for something more around the lines of plausible, I offer:
Jets: Darrell Revis, 2012 2nd round pick
Raiders: Richard Seymour, Chris Johnson, Tyvon Branch, 2011 2nd round pick, 2012 1st round pick
Why do I extend this deal? Because the Jets have a few needs: Defensive line and Safety. If they were to trade Revis, they would obviously want a CB. So, we give up a perfect 3-4 DE in Seymour, surrender our best safety (because they would not give us Revis for chicken scraps, ladies and gentlemen), and CJ. Obviously, I surrender several picks to aid in the Jets’ compensation.
So, Raider Nation, Deal or No Deal?
by birds'n'raiders on Jul 11, 2010 6:21 PM PDT reply actions
Finally someone gives a practical and more realistic trade, instead of the pipe dreams that S-O-B posted....
Revis isn’t worth half of that imo. By getting rid of our most high character guys for that malcontent, it will spell disaster for our team. No 1 player is worth that headache.
Why after half an offseason of staying away from those kinds of team killing retarded moves do people want to go back to the kinds of decisions that has guaranteed us at least 11 loses a season?
by Raider Zealot on Jul 11, 2010 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Your saying it's practical and realistic and then saying Revis isn't worth 1/2 the proposal seems inherently self-contradictory.
At any rate, there’s no way we give that much for Revis. Branch stays in Oakland. On the other hand, our 2nd best Safety, Huff for Revis and a 3rd is on the table for discussion.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 11, 2010 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions
wait, wait, wait...
are you seriously saying that you think that the New York Jets would trade Darelle Revis for Michael Huff and a 3rd round pick?
Is crack on sale or something?
by birds'n'raiders on Jul 11, 2010 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
re-read the post. I've also included an OLB - the Jet's need an OLB as much as they do a Safety
Groves and Huff and a 3rd. That is the deal.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 11, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Quentin Groves...Huff...and a 3rd
Groves adds almost no value to the equation. In 2 years, Groves has posted 2.5 sacks and 43 tackles…not exactly a deal breaker right there. He is 26 years old with 2 years left on his contract, pretty cheap, which is nice, but if the Jets want an OLB to make a huge impact, he is most likely not that guy.
Also, I think there is some rule about not being able to trade a player twice in the same league year, but I’m not sure about that.
Still, if I’m Mike Tenanbaum, how could I possibly say yes to that deal? This is by far the best player on my roster. This is the man that made my no.1 ranked defense work. This is a man that I am paying in peanuts. To trade him for Michael Huff, Quentin Groves, and a 3rd round pick?
by birds'n'raiders on Jul 11, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Kris Jenkins???? Mark Sanchez? I believe the money Tenanbaum is willing to pay guys is reflected in who they believe is best
and that puts Revis’ paltry half a million salary towards the bottom of the league. I could give a shit what your stat book says, if you didn’t watch the jets play games, and see how Revis was able to constantly make moves on balls due to Jenkins and the Rex Ryan designed pass rush to create constant pressure on opposing qbs and make them throw errant passes, always before they wanted to or the play designed, you wouldn’t be so enamored by the ridiculous stats he amassed last year.
If they believe he’s the best player, why don’t they pay him as such?
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I was saying that BNR's trade proposal is by far the most realistic of the ones given in this thread.
I’m also saying that pulling a Hershel Walker-esque trade for Revis isn’t worth it. Period. So no, it’s not contradictory at all. That’s the only way we get Revis is if we give up that much for him or possibly more. If Brandon Marshall gets 2 2nd Rounders, Revis would get at least a 1st and a 2nd or 2 first rounders. Or, like BNR suggested, a 1st a 2nd and maybe Branch and Seymour.
Whatever it is that you smoke, I wish to take a hit or two because you haven’t really given a proposal that’s realistic, let alone beneficial to both teams. Let’s be real here, as Raider fans, we both know we’d end up on the wrong side of a bad trade (like we always do). All can’t build a winning team by putting major cracks into the foundation every time we start to get a solid team together. First he let Gruden walk for peanuts and then he trades for Hall, Moss, and Seymour to absolutely no avail.
Let’s just let this team gel before you try to make chemistry altering moves for it.
by Raider Zealot on Jul 13, 2010 2:46 AM PDT up reply actions
The 'theme' is that we are making consistently sound decisions and we should push our luck until that fine and fickle lady
moves on. Whether you want to accept the fact we have weakness or not doesn’t change the reality that we do – namely: LOT, LCB, RB (only Bush is solid) and, unless Houston plays DT, the IL, b/c Kelly is a flake and while Henderson was a significant upgrade over Warren, Bryant isn’t proven yet – though I expect him to be vastly improved -and Heard is only a ’wouldn’t it be great’ prospect without any solid history.
In an uncapped year, with Al getting older, with the consistently prudent moves we’ve made, with our known needs and weaknesses – I say get the missing pieces, make the whole-hearted run for the Championship, bring in the T, CB, RB, DT by deftly dealing. That past is the past, timidity does not win anything. Moreover, our formula of picking players with solid character is the right course. Chris Johnson has such character. If Revis doesn’t have the character to be a Raider, then we should pass on him – and not push it. I still believe in Gaither and Haynesworth. We are fine, imo, at WR.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 13, 2010 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't want it. I am simply posing it as a realistic trade option.
And a certain Herschel Walker trade would be some reminder of how much teams would give up for a young, proven commodity.
If people really want Revis, they will have to give up a leg, ear, several fingers, and probably a kidney to get him
by birds'n'raiders on Jul 11, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
which is precisely why I say we're barking up the wrong tree with it, and that tandem that seems phenomenal
might not be a deliverance for us whatsoever.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Outrageous. Let's talk about Chris Johnson then. We give MacFadden and Scott and a 2nd pick tops ... take it or leave it.
The Titans get the DE they need and a former top draft pick with elite speed and good hands plus the resource to acquire an O-lineman, i.e. Center (e.g. Wisniewski) next season.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 11, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
lolwut?
My friend, they drafted Derrick Morgan 15th overall this year. They are in no NEED of a DE. And a center? They have been planning to move Eugene Amano from G to C for the past 2 years, and have finally done it with Kevin Mawae’s old ass out of the picture. The Titans need secondary depth more than anything.
by birds'n'raiders on Jul 11, 2010 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks, I didn't know that. Well, the Revis deal may not happen so we'll be content with the Chris Johnson deal
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 11, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Correction, the package to Tennessee must be reconfigured. They can use the 2nd pick for whatever the hell they choose
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 11, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay, how does this fly? A 3rd, FS Huff and our Chris Johnson for your Chris Johnson?
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 11, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Make it a 2nd, McFadden, Huff, Johnson, and a future conditional 2nd/3rd
And we might be talking realistic.
by birds'n'raiders on Jul 11, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
3 Raider starters is plenty (and two of them were high 1st Round picks). As an agent you're a tough nut
no picks if that were the package
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 11, 2010 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
High Rd. picks mean nothing.. It’s how the play in the NFL that counts. And just because they start for Oakland, also means nothing. We don’t really have All-World talent here.
If we were to trade for Johnson, we’d have to give them McFadden, Branch, Johnson and Shaughnessy along with a 2nd in either 2011 or 2012. Let’s not kid ourselves, Chris Johnson is the NFL’s Offensive Player of year and probably the biggest game changer in the NFL.
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
Hey – you never know what’s on the other side of the bargaining table. “Haveto” is not a term to hold on to.
by Spirals galore on Jul 12, 2010 5:45 AM PDT up reply actions
It will be leave it...
Book it.
Failure builds character; success reveals it
No deal.
The most I would give up if I was in charge of the Raiders in NO MORE than a 2nd and 5th. We know that’s never going to happen, so let’s wait until preseason and see if my pal Al will have one or two “major” upgrades for LT DT competition. CJ is far above average from games I’ve watched. Hell, the run D was really not bad last year 80% of the time. Big plays have killed us for years.
"We've got to start listening to coach Belichick...we've got the best coach of all time. He's got the answers."
-Tom Brady, May 10/10
I would rather trade up in the 1st in the 2012 draft to find the next great cover corner rather than mortgage our future for Revis no matter how good he is.
If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother.
Bo Jackson
no absolute way in hell that revis is better than Nnamdi. anybody who says so is dumb. the opposition does not throw on Nnamdi. the opposition throws on revis. end of discussion. Nnamdi is the best corner in football. hands down.
We dont need any bold moves at this point. the Oakland Raiders are primed to win the AFC West this upcoming year.
The Oakland Raiders are much improved. the chargers are on their way down (and they didn’t win anything other than the AFC West during their best, reccently). Sad. Regardless, the Oakland Raiders will win the AFC West this upcoming year. That means we’ll be in the playoffs fellas! The Raiders are 7-1 dogs to win the AFC West. i suggest a wager if you’re interested in winning some cash money guys. You wont get better odds.
ef all Raider haters. ef everybody who’s not for the Oakland Raiders. Order will be restored in a short period of time Oakland!!
by The Autumn Wind on Jul 11, 2010 7:32 PM PDT reply actions
Good Idea / Bad Idea
We all know that if CJ holds out we got a shot at him…but dont you think others teams would have a shot at trading for him too? And dont you think he would rather go to a team with a good O-line to block for him? I say if we add anyone it needs to be O-line ! While everyones talking Titans, theres two guys that id like to see AL get from them not named CJ….. CB Finnigan, who showed flashes of ASO & REVIS and could be a better sidekick to ASO rather than fighting for the spot light, and C MAWAE just for some veteran O-line help. Back to REVIS/CJ/HAYNESWORTH……..why would we want to inflate our salary like that for 1 season when theres a lockout looming next year?! Talk about stupid.you guys remember the CB Hall/S Wilson/WR Walker deal? I think were pretty set, if we do get anyone else its going to come during team cut downs, once guys start getting hurt in camp and preseason.Play out the season with what we have and then snatch up some FreeAgents, fill in the holes through the draft like this year, and the AFC west will be ours !
Mawae is pretty much toast, his Centering exercises aren't working anymore - consistently dismal performance last year
Houston, StD, and even S.F. dominated Cortland Finnigan last season and he never had games as good as our own CJ.
I’m cooling a bit myself on the Revis deal but am more fervent and determined now to make some serious overture for the NFL’s MVP. While we are in competition with other teams for CJ, we have what they can use right now: MacFadden, Morris, Scott, and our erstwhile CJ. No to trading Shaughnessy or Branch … but Huff or Scott – Yes … but not both.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 12, 2010 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions
funny
Most comments here argue against Sons’ suggestions, yet the poll at this point is 51% in favor.
so I wonder
what those people who voted yet have to say.
by Spirals galore on Jul 12, 2010 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions
The usual
Aholes that constantly contradict themselves. There is always a few out there that like to fuck around.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jul 12, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
or
they simply woke up to reality. Nothing against putting ideas against the board to chew on. Just want to be pragmatic – Titans will want to squeeze a couple of more years out of CJ, than they will trade him for max value. I can’t see the Jets with their D philosophy letting Revis go. Aside from Gaither that has been discussed last month, are there any disgruntled OL?
by raiders4liffe on Jul 12, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
well - that's not what I meant
you don’t want to shut people up, do you
by Spirals galore on Jul 12, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
No
but I do want them to be honest so we have some semblance of true feelings about our beloved team.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jul 12, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
you lost me here
What’s the definition of honesty?
by Spirals galore on Jul 12, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
UR busting
my balls right. Sometimes the inflection is lost with typing.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jul 12, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but the ones that voted "Go For It!!!" just read the title or that it was about a Revis aqcuisition and voted yes.
But I bet no way in hell did they agree on Sons specific trade works. His suggestion is flawed and would make the Jets FO a retarded bunch if they bit on it. But by no means the Raiders FO shouldn’t at least look into it and suggest a little something something.
The RaiderLaker
again - I've heard all cons.
I wonder why the ones who voted yes don’t speak up, and suspect they don’t because you guys are very vocal. If discussion is to take place, give them some space to speak up, don’t just speculate on what they must have had in mind.
by Spirals galore on Jul 12, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe
It was some donkey fans or Chokers or Queefs fans just trying to mess it up. I will always take the actual words rather than a simple poll on something because people will back up their thoughts not just knee jerk or rather just be jerks. LOL
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jul 12, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
wait - that's an ad hominem
Why would you assume that disagreement with your opinion means insincere loyalty or meddling from other sites?
by Spirals galore on Jul 12, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Damn
U R loving the devil’s advocate. It isnt that someone was disagreeing with my opinion. You however stated that the over whelming posts were against the acquisition but the votes were not weighted the same. So I just suggested some rationales for it. My suggestions are offered only to respond to the question you put out there.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jul 12, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I personally think
U like to watch me chase all the responses down until I beat the topic to molecular sized particles.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jul 12, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh my
U do leave that statement open for quite a reply. :D
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jul 12, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Voted go for it
Under Sons original deal. Weather or not the rest of you think it will (or can) happen does not matter. That’s what the vote was, and all that it was. If the Jets don’t go for it, oh well, if the Titans don’t go for it ..oh well again. But it’s their players that are discontented, so trades are possible however unlikely.
Not quite
Its not so simple as if. I believe SOB was seeing who would like the idea of it. Its not about whether the deal is possible. I think not sure, maybe I have misunderstood UR statement.
Let the man speak himself to clarify.
So SOB which is it?
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jul 13, 2010 6:29 AM PDT up reply actions
If we are able to bring Chris Johnson to Oakland in exchange for Darren MacFadden, Jay Richardson, and either
Trevor Scott or Dick and next year’s 2nd – I am deadly serious about doing the deal. In order to win the SB we need both balance and a superstar on either side of the ball. We have the Asom1 on D but nothing comparable on O. CJ would be the game changing catalyst that takes our (almost) balanced team (which still has significant OL issues) and take us to the elite level of consistent performance.
Thank you.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 13, 2010 6:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Sons of Blanda in all fairness to our running backs it helps when our O line is able to create holes...
We really don’t need to change our RB’s, what we could use is a WR, I am still for signing TO, if the price is right of course, he does bring a game with him, and it would keep C-Shill open, he would be a great addition…I hate to say it but our star cornerback is over paid on the 29 ranked defense, meaning I can’t see paying Revis, we need to find a pass rush and LB play to help our D backfield…I appreciate the questions posed, however, the financial commitments to these players would break the Raiders…Now Sons of Blanda you and I are Old School Raiders fans and I respect your football and Raider knowledge, I think we need to field the team we have, add TO at WR, maybe Flozell if the price is right, I don’t think he signed yet, and lets build some chemistry with J-Campbell at the helm… If we block, we run, no doubts, especially with No injuries, and with TO we have a proven WR that D’s have to respect, which opens up things for the rest of our receivers… This may sound crazy, but the Raiders can Win the West, SD has lost key players and are having all kinds of contract disputes over there, KC, is not ready and neither is Denver…If we can play as a team and make plays the AFC can be the Raiders to lose…..
by Rodney Sacramento on Jul 13, 2010 11:41 AM PDT reply actions
Rodney, you've made sober points and I've backed off the push for Revis - but I'm not backing off for Chris Johnson ... O-Line notwithstanding
CJ could hit briefly opened holes or find some daylight in the very situations that others and makes the bottom-turn on the other side – something DMC seems incapable. You’ve consistently pushed for TO this offseason but I’m comfortable with our WR corps Murph, Chaz, Ford, Hey-Bey. Also, besides being suspect at T, we don’t have a backup C; I pray Satele plays like Otto, otherwise we have a mad-dutch-stork at C (Morris is not an option).
Bottom line: deal from our surplus to upgrade our weakness so as to achieve balance and acquire a great player on the O-side.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 13, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Sons of Blanda, I completely respect where you are coming from, I am just not sure about paying CJ like that when we have a great tandum....
McFadden has had injuries, not to make excuses, but the Raiders were a terrible team with NO confidence, and you are so right about Center…Our O line is our greatest issue at this juncture…Our WR’s, sorry I completely disagree on that one, they are full of potential and all have had flashes of what they can be, they need a real Vet to show them how its done, and TO would do that…Al tried with Walker etc, but of course that was a disaster… I would deal for an O lineman for sure, however, the big bucks that CJ would require may not be worth it considering the quality of our running game, given a passing attack I believe Bush and McFadden would run all over people…
by Rodney Sacramento on Jul 15, 2010 3:59 AM PDT up reply actions
TO is putting his case before the public now by reponding to perceptions of his quirky rep. The problem with his self-advocacy
is that he fails to address his rep of for insubordination to coaches and teammates – i.e. that he’s “special” and incapable of meshing into an organization for the better overall benefit of the system he is in. While I agree with you that he is terrific at running routes and catching the ball – Owen’s downside must be considered. If we had more veterans and had proven stability at coaching then I’d be for our getting TO; but the fact is we are a young team and our coaching needs to prove itself before risking destabilization with a man like Terrell who may do more harm than good. He has a track-record of destabilizing systems and locker-rooms and is too high-maintenance for where we are now.
What do you think of Haynesworth’s dropping 30 lbs to render himself unfit for the NT position? Now that guy has attitude we could use to our benefit here in Oakland – Albert should be a Raider and join his brother Big John. We should send Kelly, Morris, Routt, McFadden, Scott (sorry Trevor to include you in such company) and Richardson to Tennessee and get CJ. This would help us significantly and make us potent on both sides of the ball while not hurting us at all – barring injuries, of course.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 15, 2010 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions
correction: send Kelly to Washington not Tennessee
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 15, 2010 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions
TO has had his issues no doubt, however, I believe he would be an asset, he understands his behavior has him in the position he is in right now...If he had the right attitude in the past he would be signed already.
I don’t think at this point in his career he wants to have a bad attitude, he realizes that teams can do without his production, now that it has declined..He is a number 2 or 3 WR at best now, but that is my case for TO. Albert lost weight, gained strength and may play better, and I agree he would be a great fit with the Raiders…If I traded for CJ, I would have no problem with the players mentioned, except Trevor Scott, he has such an upside, I might not want to throw him in. Tennessee is going to pay CJ, they are working on a deal now, NFL Network reports, we’ll see..
by Rodney Sacramento on Jul 15, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I only offer Scott b/c Seymour's K is huge, Houston is the future (and present) and Matt Shaughnessy is more
valuable than Trevor at DE while we have several OLB as good as Scott. With Tennessee needing DE and Safety why not send them Scott and Richardson to solve their DE needs (they have the great rookie but that isn’t enough), then McFadden – to fill the vacuum and, sweeten the deal with Hiram Eugene.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 15, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Sons of Blanda I do see your point, and if the end result is getting the players you have mentioned, it wouldn't be a bad deal...
McFaddens contract would help with CJ’s, so it could work, McFad has yet to really show up…Interesting, well we are signing draft picks and our future is promising, the Raiders are really getting it done right now…..I am finally excited about a upcoming season, we could really win the AFC West if we play together…..
by Rodney Sacramento on Jul 16, 2010 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
i want the 5 minutes of my life back
that i spent reading this article.
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Jul 13, 2010 3:47 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
fair enough mr blanda
however imo none of them have a snowballs chance of coming to fruition.
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Jul 13, 2010 3:57 PM PDT reply actions
Mike will earn himself a spot on the starting roster sooner than later
I know you chalk this up to Davis’s madness, but in truth, he’s a committee pick, and will prove he was the right one.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
should have been in reply to Mr. Rat's comment one my "roll the footage."...
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Only if ....
Only if The Raiders could get Darrelle Revis and pair him with Nnamdi Asomugha but I dont see The Jets ever letting Revis go or trade him to anybody but if you could get Revis and pair him with Nnamdi that would be the best cornor combo since Lester Hayes and Mike Haynes . I also think what could have been if The Raiders kept Charles Woodson to have him with Nnamdi that wouldnt be too bad either ……
even now. Woodson is old, but he can still play better than the majority of the league at his position
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
He is also
privileged enough to be in a better system. The system in GB has allowed him to take far more chances and make the absolute most of his talents. If Nnamdi does not stay with the Raiders much longer than his contract he will have so many options open to play elsewhere because of his man capabilities and his instincts to fit into a zone system that will make the most of abilities for a longer time.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jul 14, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
No doubt. The situation in GB was the perfect marriage for Charles and the Packer D
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I do not want Chris Johnson after reading his interview and seeing what he believes he is entitled to.
This team is a refreshing change from previous years and the me first attitudes. I love how whenever these sports bloggers are fishing for crap to spew they have to use the word former Raider Jadumptruck, Javon Walker or Deangelo. Other than Tommy Kelly the rest of these guys are the most team-oriented Raiders organization I’ve seen in quite a while. Also on the RB subject, if Dmac makes an effort to get better like adding 10-15 LBs of muscle to his lower body he can be a solid player on this team along with Bush being the primary workhorse.
If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother.
Bo Jackson
Love DMac, but dude does have some bird ankles for an NFL guy
He’s got bigtime stature uptop, too. I’m a similarly built guy (not NFL like! don’t get me wrong), but a surfer, with a wide back and heavy upper body and long arms, and have always had super skinny legs, especially calves and ankles.
I could squat 400 in high school when I was a wrestler, and leg press a shitload, but the girth just never happened. I think my thighs finally grew a little from karate and stretching, but I still have the bird ankles! It blows me away when guys Darren’s size have ’em too.
I still think learning to keep his pad level lower and better balance will improve his ability as much as putting on some lower body weight. Walter Payton was a pretty big lower body guy, but not an Earl Campbell type lower body guy like Mike Bush seems to be. Good to have one like Darren and one like Mike! Holy crap I miss football.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Too much
mass without the deep structural foundation. He has a RB upper body but more like a WR in the legs in terms of his skeletal set. He will forever be prone to these issues we are now dealing with me thinks. Bush is the better long term bet in my mind. He just has to want it more and there has to be less of this RB by committee bullshit I keep seeing and hearing about.
Win at all costs! Winning ugly is still winning! Remember the past and what got us to the top before. Jim Plunkett and winning ugly......enough said!
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jul 14, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
D Mac needs to keep his (chicken) legs moving
As soon as anyone makes contact with him, his legs freeze up and turn to stone…play over. He goes down way to easily
These trade fantasies are a waste of our time.
Dude, seriously, you have no clue. The Jets aren’t trading Revis and the Titans aren’t trading Brown. Ever. For anyone. Live in the real world. Don’t waste our time.
RIP Bill King
by Snake and Freddy on Jul 15, 2010 10:54 AM PDT reply actions
You just joined in order to respond to a post that you consider a waste of time? I find that, in itself, odd ... but interesting
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 15, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
He was probably furious... because it is a hassle to make an account...
I’m surprised he didn’t use profanity, well played sir. But then again he has a sig and a pic so it tells me he intends to be a regular, if not then what he did was a colossal fail for that “waste of my time” suggestion.
The RaiderLaker
Congratulations is due to Tim Brown for his induction into the College Hall of Fame, now he only has one more Hall of Fame to go!!!!!
by Rodney Sacramento on Jul 17, 2010 1:30 PM PDT reply actions
Once the Raiders again win the respect, attention and fear - Brown will be properly acknowledged by virtue of his achievements
, of course, but also the Oakland-mystique that confounds the league. I expect both Chris Carter and Tim Brown will enter the Hall next time.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 17, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions



















