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Training Camp: Success=Failure

We are so close to the first real competition against another team. Can you feel it? And not a moment too soon, because after days like today, I just don't know how to feel about this team.

The offense was having a hell of a time moving the ball with the running game. Not a good sign for our the often expressed Achilles heal: the offensive line. At one point after another futile attempt to run resulted in no daylight for the RB, Rock Cartwright slammed the ball down and yelled at the offensive line.

Not surprisingly, Hue Jackson was letting the O-line hear it. Finally, towards the end of practice, they opened up a few holes and gained some positive feedback from Hue. Still, they were stuffed by the first and second team D for the majority of the day. Come on Tom, these are your guys! Pull that ace out of your sleeve.

On the plus side: Whaaaaaat? The Defense made it hard for someone to run on them? I don't care if it was against a Pop Warner team, this is better than what was happening last year. Commenting afterwards Cable offered up a quote, the likes of which has not been associated with the Raiders in years. Cable:

Good defense. I thought initially the defense was playing it square and staying in their gaps. Very disciplined.

The one thing we have heard over and over about the source of the woes to the run D was the lack of discipline. Guys just weren't maintaining their gaps. I think it is safe to assume that the coaches feel the majority of this lack of discipline originated from the LB's. As camp has gone on, Cable has offered up various quotes calling out last years LB corp, while praising this years almost entirely new look group.

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The Credits: McDonald and Tafur and AP and CSN and Gutierrez

The one guy that got playing time last year at LB that is going to get significant run this year is Trevor Scott. Cable was impressed with his play at the end of the season and he seems even more impressed with his ability to further grasp a position that he had to learn on the fly last year. Cable:

The OTAs were really good for him. That's where you saw him settle in and really get more comfortable. He's picked up here in camp where he left off then.

Scott himself is also beginning to feel more comfortable in his play at LB. Scott:

I can't even describe how much more comfortable I am as far as alignment, assignment and just knowing my responsibilities. Last year was just kind of like run and go and just go find the ball. I understand things so much better now.

Could it be that word discipline turns up in positive quotes for the Silver and Black? Of course, Scott may still have us grimacing in pass coverage, as evidenced by him getting burned by the dreaded (?) Brennan to Myers combo at practice today. Still, baby steps and if the other LB's can cover the Raiders will be able to limit Scott's visibility in pass coverage.

While Scott's understanding of the position will help him get into the proper assignments so will the leader of the defense, Rolando McClain. By all accounts he is the real deal and rookie or not when Death Ro' speaks, the others are listening. McClain's attitude and skills seem to be making believers out of his teammates.

"He's definitely a put-up-or-shut-up type of guy," said Scott when referring to the rook. "He came into a new environment, going from a 3-4 to a 4-3, and being the leader of the defense as a rookie and having all these vets trying to get the calls from him ... he's taken it in stride. For him to come in and be the leader of the defense is pretty tremendous."

Quentin Groves also is impressed. Groves:

(He's) seasoned. He's a guy that comes from a great conference, great linebacker coaching, he's a guy that is a field general before he even plays the game.

On the other side of the ball, the passing game looked better than it did on Sunday. DHB was noted to make a couple of nice grabs. Again, a nice grab for DHB last year was anything that didn't hit the ground. He is actually going up and making some plays this year.

When it comes to thinking about DHB for the year, it is like thinking of a rookie. The positive reports have wiped his slate clean. In my mind, DHB's image as an NFL player is waiting to be formed.

It's not all sunshine, lollipops and purple drank for the passing game. the practice was not without its drops Shaun Bodiford had a few, Nick Miller had at least one as did Murphy. For all the strides the offense has made it still prompted McDonald to say that it does not have the look of a 60 percent completion team.

I think it is reasonable to expect the passing game to look better and better as the weeks go by. It is a new QB and system. The WR's are incredibly young and raw. Of course to improve, the QB is going to need time to throw the ball and throw it downfield. 

For whatever changes there are going to be in the offense this year, it sounds as if the deep ball is still going to be a part of it. There are always multiple reports of deep passes from practice each day. 

  • Bruce Campbell continues his learning process and he certainly seems to have the right attitude about it. Campbell:

    I talk to everybody, I talk to offensive linemen, defensive linemen, linebackers, just to see what they can see that I can’t see. If I’m leaning, if I’m twitching, if I’m looking . . . I ask everybody.

  • Campbell is excited to get out and pull block. This gets me excited about Campbell getting out and pull blocking. His speed and power paving the way...I'm drooling like Homer Simpson looking at a donut. Ummm donuts...I mean, Campbell:

    I enjoy pulling a lot more as long as learn how to square up linebackers and square up people when I pull because it’s something I’m still not used to.

  • Of course, it is still a learning process for him and our other rook OL and watching them should be one of the highlights of the presason. Cable:

    We’re still trying to speed him up and playing at the right tempo when the ball is snapped. These preseason games will help a lot. They help young linemen a tremendous amount.

  • Another case of good or bad news: The offense is not putting the ball on the ground that often. The coaching staff is stressing ball stripping during practice. Given that I guess we have to take it as a good sign. Here's what the Cable Guy had to say:

    Like we started this morning, every other practice, with that turnover circuit, it is a credit to the offense. I think they're taking better care of the ball. But you see the emphasis. When you turn on film and you see seven, eight guys stripping at it every time. They may not get it out, but we're attempting to, and I think that's really a critical issue.

  • I neglected to mention that Darren McFadden hamstring got a little tight over the weekend. He was held out of Monday's practice as a result.
  • Jacoby Ford was back to practice, but limited. Still, a good sign. Hopefully he is ready to go on Thursday.
  • Schillens was held out of practice. Just resting his precautions.
  • Nnam was held out of practice as well. Soreness was the given reason. Nnam gets sore a lot in training camps.
  • Jay Richardson was held out of practice today. He is having slight trouble with his knee and is questionable for Thursday's game.
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Only if he doesn't suck again.
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We should make a move for Revis since the owner over there doesnt think he will play for them this year. CJ, Howard, a 1st and Des and ROutt for him NOW

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

by dubzfan on Aug 10, 2010 2:12 AM PDT reply actions  

You cant have the first comment be off topic.

But besides that i have thought about Revis and it scares me. The 2 best of the hardest position playing on one team, thats scares me and i dont know why. He would cost a lot but and the question is would it truly be worth it. I think 2 pretty good corners to go along with Nnamdi would be cheaper and probably help more. But if it were to happen for some crazy reason i do think our pass d would be by far the best in the league and Revis would be much better then D Hall. Fuck D Hall. Fuck D Hall!!!!!! But i think our pass d will be pretty nice as is and i would rather see the money go to 0 line or D line or somewhere else for the time being.

And Posey is having amother great game.

by JohnnyDangerously on Aug 10, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

If there is any CB up to the task of play next to NNamdi its him

People will start avoiding throwing to Revis. They already avoid Aso all together and pick on CJ. If we got Revis wher would they throw? Huff,Branch,Reavis,Aso and Mitch would be the best secondary in the NFL

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

by dubzfan on Aug 10, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

The teams will play 3 to 5 WRS on the field, throw screens, and draw plays...

teams will find ways to get around them. They will try to be very diverse as well.

But yes, it would be the best secondary in the nfl.

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

Down with Big Brother!

by patriotguy2 on Aug 10, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

DHB-How much better, hopefully 500%

54 Catchs or more, with a few to the HOUSE, and you take the bust label off, and have the old man doing a jig, laughing his azz off !!! If any trades are to be made concerning Howard, it HAS to an OT, or a Receiver. We’re more than functional at the corners !!!! Especially if we’re giving up any future picks!!! Luxury vs. Need !!!! We’re in NEED mode, right now!!! OT or WO !!! Revis would be a luxury !!!!

by papabegood on Aug 10, 2010 3:35 AM PDT reply actions  

Unless our QBs are studying film of Fran Tarkenton (who habitually and successfully scrambled and boufhr time behind

Vike and Giant O-lines) we aren’t going to be throwing the deep-ball too much with this line – they can’t hold of the pass rush long enough for even our blazing receivers to get very far downfield. Btw, Brennan’s quick release is – faster than anyone else – should set a new tempo in the pass game – allegro, Allegro, Presto! Brennan’s arm (brain) is amazing; he has several throwing styles, a canny pitcher adapting to circumstances. We’re in good shape at QB. As for our Achilles heel, pray for Souperman and the walking-Dutchman to get up to flying speed soon and for an OT to miraculously present before we spend anything remaining in the Raider treasury for the greedy likes of Revis. Remember to say one also for the Vincent Jackson acquisition.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 10, 2010 6:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

something must be wrong

i concur w/ everything you just said.

lets pray either of our o-line draftees is the real deal

by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Aug 10, 2010 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hell indeed hath frozen over!

Seriously, tho, we all see eye to eye on these subjects, because THEY ARE GLARING WEAKNESSES.

enough said.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Aug 10, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I see the use of play action

as the primary catalyst for the deep ball, probably out of max protection. If what I’m reading out of camp is correct, Campbell is a magician on play fakes, which should freeze safeties for the likes of DHB and JFord to get open over the top. Also, the increased use of Miller on seam routes should insure single coverage for at least one of our WRs, not that any of them have proven that they need to be doubled just yet.

The Raiders will throw deep, that’s what the Raiders do, but Hue will do it in the right situation with the right match ups. I expect to see Campbell go deep early in Dallas…

by transparent58 on Aug 10, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

And Posey is having amother great game.

by JohnnyDangerously on Aug 10, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed. But the run game must be soundly established first

and it appears our line is struggling there with the current personnel, and I believe it will continue to do so.

Do we settle for a few more plays down field, or should we address the hole up front now?

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Aug 10, 2010 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's painfully obvious

This offense is only going to go as far as the o-line will allow them. It’s hard to be optimistic when we are going in with the same unti as we did last season expecting better results. I’m glad we have a more mobile QB and a solid game manager on the field but the fact still remains that this o-line was the same that was unable to open up running lanes for our backs. That’s what really scares me…we are trying to be a running team but can’t open up holes for the RBs and we don’t really seem to have a stand out at FB either.

As for DHB, I’m willing to give him a clean slate. The guy has obviously been working very hard in the offseason and has been practicing with the best shutdown corner in the league so I get excited to see him against some lesser competition and burning up the field. I’d like to see him with 50-60 catches, 800yrds, 5-6 TDs this year. Nothing crazy but movement in the right direction.

You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who make people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.

by Buster Bluth on Aug 10, 2010 5:57 AM PDT reply actions  

#1 Was Fine For Me...He Was A Rookie -W- Very Little College Experience/Converted Tack-Star...

“OL”…I have to disagree here…They were exposed by a faulty gameplan w a “Dope” @ “QB” n Zero adjustments while abandoning the running game…Nothing like putting as much pressure as possible on that unit…So let’s take it back 2-3 seasons and re-examine…

Cable’s “OL” blocked for a top rushin “O” who were in the top 5 at times and finished in the top 10…Could they do it again…YES….I think so….Especially w a concentrated commitment to the run and passing as a reflection of it’s success as has been outlined in camp…With our speedy big "WR"s n "TE"s as legitimate threats/targets from “JC” n the constant threat of throwing to the backs I think that “OL” could excel…Add in the mobility at “QB” w both “JC” and the “Colt-Grad” and I’m feeling almost secure…Almost…Flags are a set-back…

Now please remember…Those very successful rushin seasons featured Fargas as the man…We now have “Miren-McBush” w back-up…They also featured totally inept passing games so everyone knew we were running the ball…Hell…We couldn’t throw to save our soul…

by PantyRaider on Aug 10, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I chose 3 also. Otherwise no.

He embarrassed the organization by proving the scouts right. He needs to improve by leaps and bounds in order to sell me on him. That means stats and also clutch plays as well. Him learning how to run the right routes only for the ball to bounce of his chest means jack shit to me.

Cowards die many times before their deaths
The valiant never taste of death but once.
WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE, Julius Caesar

by TAW on Aug 10, 2010 7:27 AM PDT reply actions  

I assume

Miller should have bout 275 catches this season. Our only proven receiver, west coast offense type qb, horrible off line means quick underneath routes. I also expect to see swing passes to D-mac out of 2 back sets. Gannon to Charlie Garner style.

Gonna keep it simple, running the ball, high percentage passes/ball control type offense. Lets not underestimate the worth of sea-bass if he can replicate last years perfromance.

Hopefully we can avg about 20-24points per game although i think 17-21 is more realistic.

Please stop talking about dhb until he does something on the field.

Defense looks improved and generally solid. I cant see any glaring defiencines. I think they will keep us in the mix for the most part.

by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Aug 10, 2010 9:13 AM PDT reply actions  

LMAO

275 catches! Its uneasy uncomfortable laugh partly out of fear that it could seriously happen. Is there no legal substitute for stickem? Can the Raider brain trust not put some $ into R&D to design a formula to put all over DHB, Murphy and Schilens?

When you least expect it there I am waiting below to take you out......if your lucky.

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 10, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

It is possible

If you are the only receiver that can 1. Stay relatively healthy 2. Catch a ball 3. Run a proper route. Its only 17.1 catches a game. Its not like he has to break the receiving record for a single game every time out.

When you least expect it there I am waiting below to take you out......if your lucky.

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 10, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know

So was I. But it is possible but very unlikely.

When you least expect it there I am waiting below to take you out......if your lucky.

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 10, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are being generous

by Guru506 on Aug 10, 2010 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

thats why i said "the most"

in reality its probly more like 70-80

by paperboye on Aug 10, 2010 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think we all know that

I am being sarcastic and goofing, I do predict the 70-8- range as you say. That would be expected based on the WR core as it is now.

When you least expect it there I am waiting below to take you out......if your lucky.

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 11, 2010 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Disagree On The "WCO"s Return...

Hue is the director/conductor and I don’t think he dances to that rhythm…His is reported to be a run 1st “Smash-Mouth” style “O” and the pass plays off the run…“JC” is a product of several different schemes so I don’t see that limitation with him either…“Colt-Grad” add to the mix and are also not in the mold of the typical “WCO” -"QB"s…

Lots of pass plays to the "RB"s/"FB"s n "TE"s are expected though as well as testing the "DB"s deep…The "WR"s describe Hue’s “O” as “Vertical”….

Thursday will start to tell the truth…

by PantyRaider on Aug 10, 2010 9:41 AM PDT reply actions  

It’s be straight stupid to not give Darrius a clean slate. Anyone who considers him a bust already needs to find a different team to follow, because that’s just dumb.

True knowledge consists in knowing that you know nothing

by JaKe. on Aug 10, 2010 6:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Nobody's calling him a bust yet but he's getting there.

Also to knock a player who hasn’t shown jackshit in his career so far is not dumb nor is it reason to follow a different team. I want the Raiders to field the best team possible. He is only a starter because of his rookie contract and Al wants to give him every oppurtunity to develop so he isn’t proven wrong like you-know-who. I respect that you are defending him but again until he shows it ON THE FIELD that’s he’s turned the corner & we’re looking at a different player he isn’t getting a free pass. He’s a millionaire getting paid to play a game we all would step over our mother’s to get the chance for. It’s his job to work on his game and catch passes.

Cowards die many times before their deaths
The valiant never taste of death but once.
WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE, Julius Caesar

by TAW on Aug 11, 2010 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Your mother would be proud of this sentiment - if she loves the Raiders as we do

getting paid to play a game we all would step over our mother’s to get the chance for.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 11, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd knock mom on her can

if it meant a chance to even stand on the sidelines!

Of course, I’d help her back up afterward…

lol

Failure builds character; success reveals it

by signcut on Aug 12, 2010 1:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

She doesn't read this blog so I can sleep comfortably. HAHA!

Cowards die many times before their deaths
The valiant never taste of death but once.
WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE, Julius Caesar

by TAW on Aug 12, 2010 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

The only thing I care about this Thursday

is that no players get hurt. I don’t think you can read anything into the first game, after a series or two it is all reserves and rookies. I admit it is fun watching guys we have heard about play a couple of quarters, but the team is essentially set barring a major injury or two.
I am more interested in watching the punt and KO returns. Last year it was absurd watching the Raiders return team, not a quality player in the group.

by Laoren on Aug 10, 2010 6:30 PM PDT reply actions  

I believe we'll see some hungry young studs emerge, and there are some healthy position battles

awaiting the answers this matchup against the Cowboys will answer. I believe we’ll see a little more of Dallas’ 1st team this time around, and really have no idea who some of our number 1s are at several positions, and for that, I cannot wait for Thursday.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Aug 10, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

"The only thing I care about this Thursday is that no players get hurt"...

unless they play for the Cowboys.

Just kidding… kind of. Hey, if Tony Romo and the Girls go into the regular season a little roughed up, and if the Giants are able to capitalize on that and take the Division en route to meeting the Raiders in the Super Bowl, I won’t exactly be complaining.

"I came back with an I-Don't-Care attitude. If I had an open shot, I was taking it."
--The Robert Horry

I bleed Purple N' Gold and Silver N' Black... because of this rare condition, I am no longer allowed to donate to the Red Cross.

by The_Power_and_the_Glory_of_Robert_Horry on Aug 11, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

If anything,

We’ll see a different Raider Group who seems to be a whole lot more motivated to change the situations that we’ve come to expect.
I’m excited for Thursday, and I hope we kick some Cowgirl ASS
but first, if we are to raise the flags of victory- we’ll need to see what we have all been saying:
1. O-line improvement- that is to say, actually blocking and creating space for the Backs. We are all right in saying that the O-line is what will carry a team, because it is what starts in the trenches that allows the rest of the moves we make to go smoothly, such as Mr. Davis’ favorite, the Deep Ball. If we are to see Campbell to DHB 30-50 yard bombs, Gallery and Co. will need to give him some time.
2. I couldn’t help but notice that D-Mac was held out of practice? If we are to establish any running game, Bush and D-Mac will need to stay healthy this year or…. we’re basically screwed.
3. Sure the Defense has a new face, but Training camp/preseason is different from a regular season game, and the intensity is going to need to be very much higher. I love the way this Defense is going, but I need to see it to hype it up anymore. Looking forward to seeing Death-Ro put on that jersey in a live game atmosphere.
I’m F’n ready for some football.
oh, and off topic, who else is going to the Season Home Opener? I’ll be there and I wanted to know if any of ya’ll would be there…

I like to believe my best HITS border on Felonious ASSAULT
-Jack Tatum

by DarksideJU08 on Aug 11, 2010 12:31 AM PDT reply actions  

As for DHB...

Yes, he gets a clean slate for this year, despite how flat-out sorry he was last year.

If he is better, great! There has to be some improvement, the more the better, but if he plays like crap again, I’ll say the same thing I said last year: bench him.

It’s too early to be calling him a bust, but two bad years in a row, and there will be more people saying the same thing.

Failure builds character; success reveals it

by signcut on Aug 12, 2010 1:28 AM PDT reply actions  

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