How Oakland might mitigate the WR issue and bolster its O-Line
From all available reports, our 3 TEs are playing well in OTAs and Training Camp. Zach Miller, Brandon Myers and Tony Stewart all have good hands and are consistently able to get open. Meanwhile, our WRs have been plagued with injuries, are young, and generally small in stature. Moreover, unless some indication in pre-season proves otherwise, our Offensive Line is our most vulnerable element and a source of concern.
Thus being the case, I suggest that we seriously consider bolstering the O-Line with two Tight Ends. Zach would stay in and we rotate Brandon Myers with Tony Stewart. With a 7-man front, we immediately become a greater rushing threat while putting stalwart receivers with appreciable speed into the mix.
Several college and professional teams have had huge success with this basic Double-TE set. Nick Saban installed and ran the Double-Tight-End formation at Alabama as did the Buffalo Bills - winning a Championship over the Chargers while using it. Notre Dame used to use it and so did the Bears. Nebraska used it for years under Tom Osborne and so did Texas under Darrell Royal.
In the Pros now, the Double-TE is mostly seen in goal-line and short-yardage situations. But I believe it should be used more regularly, especially if we want to establish the running game, so we can offset our O-Line and WR issues - mitigating those problems by adding an additional TE.
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Nice suggestion
I would suggest making it more modern with TE motions and some shifts. If JC is a good a play action pass as it is said then this would be great for getting TE/TEs open or keep one when the other releases. Well I could sit here come up with my own spins on the set this way but I will spare everyone my verbal diarrhea. To sell it as a viable formation we will have to dump the ball a bit more but it will keep JC more upright I believe especially with picking up a blitz or maybe as well dumping the ball faster with a blitz coming.
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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 12, 2010 1:33 PM PDT reply actions
Interesting concept ..
But I voted for you must be joking, you crazy bastard .. For the simple reason that’s exactly what I thought when you wrote that one post, “When the dice are hot, run the table, fast and furious!” This post though, I believe you are on to something, sir.
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by RaiderCreator5150 on Aug 12, 2010 1:36 PM PDT reply actions
Miller and Myers (Stewart)
are not quite Casper and Chester, but the Raiders of ’78 and ’79 used the double TE set quite effectively then. It should be something that they should go to from time to time, at the very least to give some different looks. Hue is smart, he should be able to think of ways f deploying the talent he has at hand and to fit the circumstances the offense could be in.
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I think the 2-TE set for the Raiders could be very effective.
Give Campbell some reliable targets that are potential mismatches. If you have a second tight end who can catch better than some of your receivers, best to use him and exploit mismatches and the fact that they never know if he’s staying in to block or not.
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Keeps options open. Let’s us use the run more effectively while having the option of the pass still open. I haven’t seen much from Meyers, but from what I hear he is more of a blocking TE. But nonetheless, it can still work.
I’d also like to see 6 O-linemen on the field at times. Have another OT to the left next to Mario, then just power run it with Bush.
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You really are on to something here.
How about 3 TE sets with 2 of them taking the place of our lame Tackles! Or maybe a 4 guard set.
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I like 2 tight end sets for the run game
I wouldn’t be passing out of this except to stop predictability when the opposing D sees two TE’s
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by Ozraider on Aug 12, 2010 4:37 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
why not email the coaching staff
and see if your idea has any impact on their thinking.
You meant Nick Saban. Lou did not coach at Alabama.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 12, 2010 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Miller & Myers !!!
They’re vitual clones, far as HT, WT, Speed, Blocking ability, Hands !!! You could spit either one of out wide. And Miller already commands dble teams !!! This FREES Up, the other receivers !!! Why not !!!!!
Clones? Not hardly. Miller is a decorated recieving TE with feeble blocking skills. When Meyers was drafted for blocking, not his hands.
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Then we got a good deal - Myers has it all
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 13, 2010 6:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Then why is he still behind Zach? If he has it all, he surely should be starting.
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Because, duh, Zach is better
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 13, 2010 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions
This offense, depending on your back set, is and should be part of any good team's standard personnel
but depending on the plays relies on solid blocking, route running, and ball catching abilities by ALL TE’s. I believe they can uphold their ends of the bargain, but the O lineman must as well.
It is almost counter to today’s game, or at least where highly succesful pass to set up the run spread teams are using with 21 personnel, referring to 2 backs, 1 tight end, three wide receiver sets. Some are nixing the final TE, relying on four blockers, three and rarely five step drops, and four wideouts, or your utility back/rb or even your qb lined up as a wideout (checked eligible to catch balls).
I absolutely encourage this kind of thinking, which one could classify as out of the box football for the Raiders, as the play calling in the demise years of the last decade have been so vanilla anything is out of the box. While I do expect exciting, cutting edge, and designed with today’s defenses in mind plays to be the norm with Hue Jackson, I absolutely expect to see two and three tight end sets for the Raiders, and love the versatility of some like Daniels who could be a great TE/FB/short yardage RB, and is showing some nice heart at all challenges.
I’m a fan of the single back 13 personnel set, with maybe a guy like Pears lined up at one of your TE spots, for play action pass calls, with the options to switch to run off tackle style off Pears at the interior TE on the strong side. Pears can be useful in positions like such; not so sure about being a starting NFL tackle however. Bush in short yardage up the middle if it’s up the middle, McFadden in the backfield if its a pitch or toss or even a cutback (maybe even Bennett if he becomes the 3rd down guy?) and Zach Miller and Brandon Myers at the other TE spots, with your most fleet-footed and adept pulling guards and athletic tackles. Dunno who they’ll be at this point.
I guess right now: Henderson LT, Gallery LG, Satele C, Campbell RG (that’s right, not Carlisle), and Veldheer RT (Not Langston).
Looking forward to seeing how it pans out. Next presesason game will tell us a lot. I have too many questions about our ability to truly exploit our strengths with the weak links I believe we have.
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Lamarr Houston can bring a lot of versatility too. He can play some RB, FB, and even big blocking TE or G
and I’m all for trying them out in this capacity…
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