Don't Worry, DHB Is Resting
by Rich Langford on Aug 18, 2010 1:28 AM PDT
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PrintThat's right, apparently young Darrius is so worn out after making all of his zero catches last Thursday that he has not participated in the last two days of practices. Take a few days off to rest son...you've earned it.
I doubt there is one person out there that believes there is not more to this story. But what is the story? History, and following baseball and Ron Artest, has taught me to first look towards a hangover or drunken accidents when lame reasons are given for missing time.
I've never heard any whispers of DHB and substance abuse problems. So I am mentally erasing that reason off of the board.
Could it be that Darrius is sinking into the depths of his mind after reverting back to his '09 form? He did follow up his zero catch performance with some lackluster showings at practice. Is this just a case of them sending Stella to get his groove back?
Maybe he has some kind of injury nagging at him. This would seem to make the most sense; except if this is the case, you'd think the club would stick with its bread and butter soreness line.
Who knows? We are left in the dark on this one. One thing is for certain, however, the hope that DHB was going to have a break-out year is now resting too.
DHB was joined, in not joining his peers on the field, by Chaz Schillens. By all accounts it is just precautions as usual for Chaz. He may get some game time on Saturday, but Cable isn't going on the record on playing time for any of his players.
Well, that's not exactly true. He did say Alex Daniels would get some run. Of course, he said that before the Dallas game.
I tend to believe him this time. For someone that hasn't played even a down of pre-season NFL football, Daniels is turning heads. His quote about blocking for Obama if that's what the Raiders asked him to do made Sports Illustrated. He was also seen chatting with Al Davis after practice. Al doesn't talk to all undrafted players. It is never a bad thing to be on Al's good side.
Daniels has also caught the attention of the coaches. When asked what undrafted players had caught his eye, Cable had this to say:
There’s been some guys who have shown up. I think about guys like Alex Daniels and his move to fullback. He’s learning it, figuring it out. Physically, he looks to have all the tools to be able to maybe help us there. I think that’s the guy that probably stands out in my mind as much as anybody right now.
I'll be watching for him in Chicago and I would suggest the Bears LB's do the same. He may not have mastered the nuances of FB yet, but I am pretty sure he knows how to, and is itching to, hit someone.
Onto the potent potables category:
- Darren McFadden is running, but not at full speed yet. His status for Saturday is up in the air. They are not going to rush him back.
- Samson Satele and William Joseph got into a fight today that made LaMarr Houston jealous. They had to be ripped off of each other by their teammates. It started after Satele blocked Joseph to the ground after a non-contact drill. In Satele's defense he usually doesn't make any contact when trying to block someone.
- Jay Richardson had his knee successfully scoped on Tuesday. As far as knee procedures go, he got off easy. He should be ready to go early in the season--although no official timetable was given. The average recovery time for a scope is around a month. Chris Cooper and Greyson Gunheim have been getting his reps at practice. Ugh...get well, J-Rich.
- Kyle Boller got run with the 2nd team today and apparently looked sharp. Cable said not to read anything into it. It is due to easing Bruce back from injury, rather than his back-up job being in jeopardy.
- Charlie Frye is going to have surgery on his right wrist on Wednesday. As a result, he will have to use his other hand for the rest of training camp. Also, he won't be able to play football for an undisclosed amount of time.
- Chris Johnson was held out of practice today. There is no timetable on his return. He was joined by Paul Hubbard, Tony Stewart and Sam Williams.
- The bar was raised again in the 3rd RB battle when The Rock offered a whiff of what he is cooking by flashing his sexy versatility. He beat Tyvon Branch on a 30-yard corner route for a score.
- Branch seems to be getting beat a lot. He must be doing enough to please the coaches though, as they are looking for ways to get Mitchell on the field and not one of those ways has involved him playing with the 1st team.
- Those of us hoping Veldheer could overtake Satele as the starting C this year took a shot to the balls on Taco Tuesday. Chris Morris got all the back-up C snaps and Veldheer got all of his work at T. I don't think this means Veldheer is done working at C, but if Cable had any thoughts of him starting at C this year, I don't thing he'd miss many opportunities to practice him there.
- Louis Murphy had some drops today and then beat the hell out of a Gatorade Cooler. He came back and made some fabulous catches. One of which was over Nnam. Buy that man some more coolers to victimize.
- Daily Affirmations by the Cable Guy:
I am encouraged (by the protection), but as we talked about after the game, we need to get going a little quicker and sustain some drives. Third down was really the biggest negative out of that football game. There was some good things in terms of protection. I thought in the second half running the ball with some efficiency. But I’d like to see us get started just a little bit quicker.
- 3rd downs are overrated. I say just move the chains on 1st or 2nd. Getting started quicker, ha! The second half is when you really want to run the ball down team's throats? Oh wait...it was a pre-season game. How about, "Let's get that line started."
- The men in the know: Tafur and CSN and Gutierrez and Corkran
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Why don't you write a post about the Raiders front office
Instead of pointing fingers at people. Why don’t you call the front office, or ask Jerry Mac.
Just tired of the BS hate. You usally have an interesting post but this one sucks.
Maybe YOUR just resting.
"May the wind be at our back, here comes the Silver and Black "
R U Kidding?
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here." - Al Davis
"You know Michael Jackson told me to Beat it and I did when I heard the Raiders drafted McClain." - noontide
Some cleaned the slate for DHB this season, others wait in reserve, and you, apparently, wipe it clean each day.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 18, 2010 5:28 AM PDT up reply actions
what a pathetic attempt to be clever
you say nothing of value
by Al's Wingman on Aug 18, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
You should seriously consider
coming clean with your man crush on Sons. You sound like a high school girl vying for the attention of the stud.
by Spirals galore on Aug 19, 2010 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm no genius but
maybe he doesn’t have any way to contact them, and he is speculating like everybody else.
Take them unnecessary comments elsewhere.
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
I wonder if you actually read the post
sounds like a knee jerk reaction in claiming hate. Ever hear of sarcasm? DHB is not fatigued. coaching staff are hiding an injury. There’s no finger pointing.
by Al's Wingman on Aug 18, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
This isn't sarcasm
History, and following baseball and Ron Artest, has taught me to first look towards a hangover or drunken accidents when lame reasons are given for missing time.
So now we are comparing DHB with Ron Artest?
"May the wind be at our back, here comes the Silver and Black "
Your answer lies in the very sentence you copied.
Here’s a hint: your assertion is wrong.
I feel about your statement, how I feel about Joaquin Phoenix after seeing the trailer for I’m Still Here. I’m just not sure, so I’m not sure….
Do you really think that sentence compares DHB to Ron Artest or Baseball or history?
When you're chewing on life's gristle, don't grumble give a whistle and this'll help things turn out for the best.
by Rich Langford on Aug 19, 2010 4:35 AM PDT up reply actions
To me it implies that a lame excuse is probably a cover up for doing something stupid
DHB had his leg wrapped up and, has not practiced since. Why Tom Cable feels the need to keep everyone in the dark is a mystery. He did say DHB has been “lackluster” recently, but just a couple of weeks ago he was singing praises for DHB
Cable must have some reason for saying this. We just don’t have enough info.
I’m just not getting your sarcasm.
Maybe you should do a post about Cable’s ramblings
"May the wind be at our back, here comes the Silver and Black "
Two weeks ago? Didn't the team dawn pads and start hitting about then?
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 20, 2010 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions
don, not dawn (but dawn does rhyme with fawn)
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 20, 2010 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I was watching Hard Knocks and they showed a visit from Joe Namath.
He was commenting on how the receivers are not running full-speed in practice or seem to be lack-a-daisical unless its a real-time football game. I think DHB needs to be out there everyday working on cutting in and out as well as finishing his routes. Of all the players on the team he needs to work harder to prove the doubters wrong. He also needs to be the hardest worker to prove Al right as well since I don’t know of any injury.
Cowards die many times before their deaths
The valiant never taste of death but once.
WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE, Julius Caesar
He also looked like some sort of gigantic Jets version of the Umpa Lumpas.
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by Leopold Bloom on Aug 20, 2010 2:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Harsh
Hard to catch balls when the QB won’t look your way. I only saw one ball thrown to DHB in Thursday’s preseason game, and it got broken up by the CB. Did anyone else see other balls thrown to DHB? I’m with RUKidding on this one, it’s entirely premature to pile on this much hate after an uneventful preseason game. Calm down.
No one is hating him. Hate is such a strong word.
What everyone wants is a reason to give him a clean slate as many on this blog have stated. He hasn’t shown much at all and also in the Dallas game the fact only 1 pass being thrown his way shows he is not going 100% trying to get open. How many passes were thrown to Murphy or Miller by comparison? You can’t say its because they have developed a better chemistry with the QBs since neither were on the roster at the end of last year.
Cowards die many times before their deaths
The valiant never taste of death but once.
WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE, Julius Caesar
by TAW on Aug 18, 2010 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not hate, hatin'
I don’t believe anyone hates DHB either, but they are definitely hatin’ :)
I disagree with your logic that DHB not trying to get open is the reason he wasn’t getting thrown to. Go back and look at the highlights of the Dallas game when the Raiders went for it on 4th & 1 – DHB is at the bottom of the screen and beats his man to the inside – unfortunately Campbell was looking the other way the entire time and threw incomplete to Z.Miller.
If anything, the team should be trying to get DHB involved in the offense as much as possible to improve his confidence and his rapport with Campbell.
We've learned Live Adam... We've learned......
Don’t get on a players balls until he has shown production, don’t clean his slate just because it’s a new year. He needs to be practicing. And yes, getting Zero catches in the first preseason game is bad when you have been doing good in camp.
There is no excuse why he dropped the ball thrown to him, it tells me he is mentally out of it, if he is so fast how can the defender come back and bat it down? Imo, it tells me that DHB has bad hips and can’t juke, only speed.
And yes, perhaps I am hating, but that’s how it is, either produce or GTFO and go to the bench DHB!!!! Just because they are on our team doesn’t mean we have to love them.
The RaiderLaker
DHB & excuses seem to go no-hand in no-hand.
I’m pulling for the guy to get it going, but he does not deserve a free pass. The preseason if for guys to show they deserve to be on the team, this guy gets a free pass b/c the team has invested in him to be a franchise wr. If it wasn’t for that to go along with the season he had last year, we would be talking about him getting cut and being a practice squad player to develop.
I'm ready for the Autumn Wind to blow strong once again.
by S Jay Bruin on Aug 18, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
so cut your long-term developmental wideout who you knew would have a rough first couple years, after 12 games and a meaningless preseason game where he was seeing his first action since November……………..And people here get onto Al Davis for some of his moves.
He is a DEVELOPMENTAL PROJECT. While it isn’t what we wanted to or hoped for, it’s the situation we as fans have been dealt and the one we have to understand and go through.
It will probably be not this year, but next year that DHB finally gets it going. Longer than we want, but this guy has the speed, strength, and body frame to be a Randy Moss type receiver. Once he learns the ins-and-outs of the game and gets better at catching he could definitely be that kind of guy.
And just so I won’t be hearing similar things when Veldheer and B. Campbell start whenever, they’re also developmental projects. I know we want short term, but Al Davis is building towards the long-term as well here.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
So is/was Sam Williams & Stanford Routt
Do I get to comment them yet? That Russell guy was a great “developmental project” what’s he up to these days? I was told that Doug Gabriel looked and ran like Moss too. What was the difference? Oh yeah Moss could catch, get open, and was productive from the get-go. How long do you suppose we wait and rebuild, since one of our anti-Indy triplets is gone already? I didn’t say we should cut him yet, I said if they had brought him in as a developmental player (like Campbell) instead of a starter out of the gate, then we could realistically bring him along accordingly. He wasn’t and he’s looked on to start, is it a wonder we are looking at the WR corps as a weak link for the team. Well, I gues you know how the old saying goes, “past peformance is indicative of future outcome” or something like that.
I'm ready for the Autumn Wind to blow strong once again.
KA1Z3R, similar argument was made for JR
Maybe that’s why people are so sensitized.
Forgive me the analogy, but it’s like saying that I have to pass a student just because someone decided to give him a huge scholarship and touted him as number one. Until the student starts producing, would it be fair and compassionate of me to keep saying, “yes, he has promise”?
I’ve had students who start with solid Fs and end up with As, and I give them an A at the end. But they have convinced me that they deserve it.
by Spirals galore on Aug 18, 2010 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
hey I don’t like that DHB is starting, my preference would be Murphy and Schilens with Ford and DHB splitting slot time.
I’m just trying to explain what the Raiders are doing here, getting a long-term developmental receiver in DHB. I never wanted the guy, but I understand and support what they’re doing. It’s just the thinking, more snaps means quicker development.
It’s just the situation we have been dealt. If we had gotten Orakpo or Monroe like I was hoping, then we wouldn’t be having this situation. But we do, and it’s just something we have to understand and go with.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
KAIZ3R, no dude, no. He can be developed as a backup, he will still get snaps.
lesson here is: Don’t start projects at all, but do give them playing time/snaps as a solid backup.
Who the hell said “Cut” him though?
Hope to god Jacoby Ford takes his spot. (he’s a “faster” project)
Plus I see you didn’t notice this red flag, of him “taking time off.” He’s obviously not ready mentally for the NFL, I say he’s garbage until he proves me otherwise. And of fucking course it’s a preseason game, that’s the more reason he should’ve had a catch!!!!
The RaiderLaker
This upcoming Bears game is really going to do it. If he has no fuckin' catches-
Then he will be a bust in my eyes, plus we don’t have time to wait to see him develope. The Bears secondary is weak as tranparent 58 said and it’s preseason the more the reason.
All I want is 1 damn catch in this upcoming game. Hell, do you actually think it’ll get easier once the real season starts, lol KAIZ3R, lol.
The RaiderLaker
ochocinco didnt get a catch against the broncos and he was starting
preseason games are meaningless
until the starting offense is out there the whole game, we will see how good or bad he is
for now i wouldnt put much into it
alot of shitty players can look good in preseason and alot of good players can look shitty in preseason, theres no reason to call him a “bust” after a preseason game
okay we are finding common ground here. If DHB is thrown to at least 3 times and doesn’t get at least 1 reception, then I will agree with you. At the point you can’t blame secondary, you have to blame the receiver (unless it is a bad throw which Campbell will have)
Now will he be a bust to me? No. I always try to give players at least 3 years unless it’s a position like running back. Point here is that we can’t all of a sudden start yelling “BUST” after he was thrown to 1 FUCKING TIME and was well covered by A TOP 10 NFL CORNER.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
I hardly think that DHB should be considered a bust in a pre-season game.
Take into account how many snaps he’ll take, AND what offense Cable and Hue want to run(ie. Vanilla, running, play-action, etc.).
Pre-season does not really hold water on the season in terms of production on the field. If that was the case, then our very own Matt Cassel wold have driven us to around 4-12 in 08(Matt Cassel SUCKED in pre-season in 08).
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
by patriotguy2 on Aug 19, 2010 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
s jay bruin
that was one of the funnier subject lines ive seen in a awhile “……no hand in no hand”
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Aug 18, 2010 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
DHB doesn't control where the pass is thrown
or having one of the top 5-6 CBs in game covering him. He needs to fight for the ball better in that situation, but, so far, it’s been his only opportunity. I need a bigger body of work to truly evaluate his performance this preseason.
He should have more opportunites against the Bears. Their secondary is weak…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Aug 18, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not hatin', but playin.
0 catches in a preseason game isn’t the source either. It is the fact that they concocted the weird excuse of him resting for missing two days of needed practice.
I would say it is a red flag to say the least.
When you're chewing on life's gristle, don't grumble give a whistle and this'll help things turn out for the best.
by Rich Langford on Aug 18, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Actualy...you're right, it was hatin, but I was playin :)
When you're chewing on life's gristle, don't grumble give a whistle and this'll help things turn out for the best.
by Rich Langford on Aug 18, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
also in the Dallas game the fact only 1 pass being thrown his way shows he is not going 100% trying to get open
?????????
He only played one series
"May the wind be at our back, here comes the Silver and Black "
and i think the only receivers I’ve seen not “100% try to get open” is Randy Moss or Terrell Owens if his QB is throwing 3 passes to someone else.
Now we’re questioning a high character hard worker? Until I see him pouting or acting like a lazy douche like Randy Moss, I’m not concerned with his effort.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
I watched the game a few times on NFL network.
The starters on offense played about 3 series actually unless they just wanted to rest DHB for the Bears game. Also I’m concerned with his effort when Murphy, Bush, Miller and Campbell all look to be trying to catch and get hit while he is not coming back to the ball full-speed on the only pass thrown in his direction. I understand its only pre-season so let’s not start with the torches and pitch forks just yet but I was hoping to see more than I did.
Cowards die many times before their deaths
The valiant never taste of death but once.
WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE, Julius Caesar
I don't hate DHB; the guy has shown nothing in 1 + year
Clean Slate? I started out that way. All the rhetoric we heard 2-5 weeks ago about commitment, practicing harder and working on this and that got thrown out my window though. As soon as the pads were on and it was live contact again he reverts back to his old form. Some guys are just like that. Some Bands are better in the Studio than they are live in concert. He might be one of those guys,who knows? What I do know is he’s getting the looks in Camp because everyone does, period. Not getting a look in a preseason game may very well be a result of not performing as well as his peers in practice. I hope he shocks us all because beyond Miller and Murphy the receiving corps is the weak link on this team.
Ya Ever Just Hit A Wall...I Have A few Times...
There’s only one way to recover…Rest the body-n-brain and than get focused and go again…
He has been pushing himself to improve for a few months now so I don’t think it was the single game appearance…
Anyone remember Barret Robbins…Too bad someone wasn’t smart enough to get him a little rest that week…Maybe we could have won a damn game…
It is absurd to write guys off
after a meaningless practice. There are only 16 times this year that are important, and that is game days. There will be plenty of time to judge if DHB is a solid receiver, or will become a great one. As for what a guy does from day to day in Napa, not worth talking about, or at least making judgments about. Many a player has looked fabulous in Napa or in pre-season only to be a complete flop when the season starts.
Either that or someone needs to take his license away!!!
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Aug 18, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tampons?
This guy couldn’t find those big tampons either.
DHB is probably the third read on most plays and Jason is not used to throwing down field yet.
DHB has a hammy problem
That’s why he’s not practicing.
so now I guess no one is given a chance to develop or learn the game in the NFL anymore. I would bring up receiver learning curve and how DHB’s is even longer but I won’t beat a dead horse.
DHB will be a solid productive guy, but i doubt his numbers will feed the masses who are willing to declare bust after a meaningless preseason game where he was only in for like 3 series
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
also after so many practices, guys are given rest days. Especially the young, old, or injury prone.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
The Raiders didn't practice on Wednesday or Friday.
DHB barely played on Thursday. By all accounts He didn’t seem to be going particularly hard in practice Sat or Sun. If he needs at least two days off to rest after that, I have serious doubts that he will ever be able to take the grind of the season.
When you're chewing on life's gristle, don't grumble give a whistle and this'll help things turn out for the best.
by Rich Langford on Aug 18, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
That and they started training camp
playing 2-hand touch football for like a week.
I'm ready for the Autumn Wind to blow strong once again.
Right and they aren't running a particularly grueling camp after that either.
And he missed a few days earlier because of shoulder soreness.
When you're chewing on life's gristle, don't grumble give a whistle and this'll help things turn out for the best.
by Rich Langford on Aug 18, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Listen okay, it’s a break that Cable is making him take. DHB isn’t the kind of guy who quits after 1 preseason game. He’s a hardworking guy itching to prove himself. he is not Randy Moss.
If Cable is giving him a break, it’s probably precautionary that DHB’s recently injured body (was sitting out because of minor injuries a little more than a week ago) doesn’t get banged up again. DHB has shown he can do it in practice, no sense increasing the risk of reinjury when the reward is trivial. DHB needs to be healthy for the preseason and regular season to be truly tested and evaluated.
No sense giving ourselves another Chaz Schilens by throwing DHB out there in those live practices to get injured again.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
You are speculating just like everyone else is.
So why be hard on people who speculate in the other direction?
by Spirals galore on Aug 18, 2010 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not I’m just debating and explaining my point and trying to drive my point. “Going hard” on someone would be dishing out insults.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
I agree with everything you’re saying, KA1Z3R. It’s upsetting to see people jumping to so many conculsions after one game.
Calling DHB a bust, saying Hue Jacksons’ play calling is worrisome, demanding for the release of Tommy Kelly(Who played well if you actually WATCHED him), saying Mario is the worst LT ever to play the game( Who once again, played great). It’s frusterating.
True knowledge consists in knowing that you know nothing
As you say
its only a one preseason game why jump to conclusions about Kelly when it was only a preseason game he played well in (although no one else saw it). We base our call for DHB on his draft position and unproductive year last year, many want Tom Kelly gone based once again on his previous 2 years of nonperformance with a bloated contract and Mario has never really turned head. He may be a mid range LT at best but is a FS machine. As for Hue I have not really seen too many people if all worried about his play calling. As far as I have seen people are ok with the calling and not cracking the play book so early in preseason.
When you least expect it there I am waiting below to take you out......if your lucky.
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 20, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Tommy Kellys one bad year was ’09. But in ’08, he had a career high 4.5 sacks.
True knowledge consists in knowing that you know nothing
Ok 4.5 sacks not bad for a DT
but how was his overall performance in terms of the run? I would make a stab at saying the usual AWFUL. Not worth $7.5/year or do you think he is paid appropriately. I say (well many say not just me) that we ditch him and stick Henderson in his place.
When you least expect it there I am waiting below to take you out......if your lucky.
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 20, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Time will tell. Our DL is better than last year despite Kelly - who seems satisfied to neutralize opponents
Mario looked good against Dallas; we’ll see how he does tomorrow v. Peppers. ChronicFatigueBey, whose missed 5 straight practices, worked hard in offseason and by all reports was impressive until the pads were donned 2-weeks ago. Shrill cries and protests don’t move me – only results on gameday matter. But I’ve no vested stake in being right about Kelly, Mario, CJ, DHB, Satele, Carlisle and DMC – the remaining players who I’ve been critical of over the past year. I would prefer that they turn over a new leaf and shine …. just don’t believe it will happen for most of them.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 20, 2010 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
+15
This gets annoying after a while. >_>
In Bruce We Trust
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Aug 18, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I place some of the blame on Cables responses to the media
His statements can be mind boggleing. “letting him rest” is that the best he can come up with?
or,
Sure there is," Cable answered when asked if there’s a chance Russell will start for the Raiders in 2010.
"May the wind be at our back, here comes the Silver and Black "
Camp is a grind
I doubt there will a single starter that participates in every session on any team. Just because he’s young doesn’t mean he’s indestructable. Maybe it wasn’t his decision to “rest” either. Sitting out practice usually has to be approved by the coaches…
To be fair, the CB covering him for Dallas is pretty good, too. He’s only been to the Pro Bowl two of the past three years, the only two CBs in our division that approach or exceed Newman are Nnamdi and Champ Bailey. Flowers is getting there, and Jammer gambles too much.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
I couldn’t help but to rec this. Agree 100%. In fact i doubt DHB would want to rest since he’s always working about 50% harder than everyone not named Nnamdi, Campbell, Scott, McClain, or Miller. Cable wants him energetic and ready-to-go against Chicago. Not stiff and sore from camp. he’s shown he can run better routes and catch in practice, now we have to see him with it in preseason. Especially against the slower and less talented Chicago corners and safeties.
Also, i think neither Bailey nor Jammer will play on DHB this year. The focus will probably be on Murphy or Schilens. Makes things even better for Heyward-Bey.
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I love your optimism, but recent developments are a raising a...
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by Rich Langford on Aug 18, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
what recent developments? 1 pass thrown to him that was well defended? Him struggling to beat a top 10 corner who can match his speed stride for stride? Him being given a day off so as not to risk anything before a very crucial preseason game for him?
I feel like if this same thing was happening if Crabtree was on this team that people on here would be more forgiving, or at least just the people on other Raiders sites. I know you didn’t want him but don’t jump on him for every minute thing.
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V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
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Who said I don't want him?
The recent developments are the outlined course of events. The thing is it was two days of practice so far and it came after his play and effort had reportedly regressed.
Given a day off so as not risk anything? Risk what? He reportedly is healthy. If it was because of soreness or precautionary the team typically says that. Why not take all week off of practicing so we don’t risk players health.
And screw Crabtree. If his prima dona ass had missed two days of practice and the coach gave the odd explanation of rest, I’d be even more harsh.
You’re saying the events of the past week in the life of DHB don’t raise any concerns for you?
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by Rich Langford on Aug 18, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
doesn’t bother me one bit because i know not to expect much from him for at least another year. That’s just the curve for him developmentally.
I never said you nor anyone specifically on here didn’t want him, just i bet if we had gotten the player that so-and-so wanted the wouldn’t get this upset at said player.
And to just say “give the whole team the week off”, that’s ridiculous. Young, old, and injury prone players are frequently given practice days off. DHB had an injury that ended his season last year, already the afflicted area was allegedly banged up at the start of camp and he took a bad blow to the shoulder. I think it was two bad shots to the shoulder.
The team would be stupid to not give him some days off. It’s not like he’s being given the whole camp off. He’s worked harder than about 70% of this team this offseason and it has shown in practice. Keep him healthy so he can build on that in games.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
Okay, so we are back to why they said rested instead of soreness.
That is the whole crux of this examination. In fact, I pointed that out in the initial statement as injury being the most likely reason, except for that matter of semantics.
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by Rich Langford on Aug 18, 2010 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
So - you think he's another porcelain doll?
I think his problem is psychological. His hands are kind of bobbly too, and he’s working hard to overcome the bobbliness. Maybe he should not be so eager to impress – it’s likely that the eagerness tenses him up. If that’s the case, the worst Cable and company can do for him is rest him, for he’ll never overcome the psychological soreness.
by Spirals galore on Aug 18, 2010 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I am pretty sure this deserves comment of the thread award
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by Rich Langford on Aug 18, 2010 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions
KAIZ3R, don't compare Crabtree to DHB. it's just not cool anymore, because I used to defend him now I can't say anything.
Crabtree is way more polished and he can catch as well as run routes greatly, although he is not blazing fast.
DHB can run really, really fast. Can he catch consistently? Can he run routes well? Is he agressive?
Check stats and compare… it’s sad…
The RaiderLaker
I still say fuck the stats. You interview any football player and he says he "dreams of Gucci"
I have serious character concerns about the guy. I knew hands down he was the most NFL ready guy at his position, in a long time. He attacks the football, and will immediately work well in most NFL systems used properly.
DHB was expected, as has been beaten like a dead horse, to be a developmental project. When times are bad, apparently there really fucking bad, because all hope in the nation is suddenly lost because he mysteriously missed practice a couple of days in a row.
While I will always hate that we essentially wasted the high pick and where we took DHB, I’ll live with it, and be glad it wasn’t Crabtree at least. You could argue for Maclin, or for the stat whorz: Desean Jackson…
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
But brhynno, that doesn't mean that DHB is to be treated with kid gloves, does it?
Or treated as an unquestioned starter. Put him in a position to compete for the job, and if he is strong enough, he’ll improve. I don’t really like this “resting.”
He appeared at the afternoon practice today; not sure if he practiced. His left leg was bandaged, according to what I read.
by Spirals galore on Aug 18, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
absolutely. He should earn it like every other player, or find himself off the depth chart
I hope it means nothing, but don’t like it either.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
a bit melodramatic - surprising from you, my Friend
When times are bad, apparently there really fucking bad, because all hope in the nation is suddenly lost because he mysteriously missed practice a couple of days in a row.
On the contrary, it’s because there is so much hope in the Nation now that many are looking at the team’s likely vulnerabilities. That’s why all the reason ink spilled concerning O-L and WRs.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 18, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
'resent' Another thing is I'm all for open competition regardless of whose pay check has more numbers
DHB may or may not develop. If he does, great; if he does not, we move on like we have with JaJunkie (not that he’s like the latter in anyway other than possibly lack of football talent.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 18, 2010 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions
how did I compare him to Crabtree?
Situation: We draft Crabtree instead of DHB. If Crabtree were in the same situation, bad year ended by injury and thrown to one time in a meaningless preseason game and then given some days of rest, that many Raiders fans wouldn’t be this upset. Meaning, the majority of people (a vast one) wanted Crabtree over DHB and probably would have been more forgiving for “their guy”. I’m merely just spitballing.
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V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
I wouldn't
If Crabtree was this disappointing I would be just as hard on him and looking for more out of such a high draft pick.
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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 19, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Can he catch consistently? Can he run routes well?
I don’t think we can judge that just yet. Way too early. This is his second year, and the coaches and players said he has improved on both of those. And since we don’t KNOW if he did or not, we DO KNOW that he has tried to.
I’m not going to let the next PRE-SEASON GAME, dictate whether or not he can do this or that. We need more than that to get a better evaluation on him, because in a pre-season game, he’ll likely get maybe a couple series. Not enough to go there right?
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Down with Big Brother!
anyone read "player x" on the latest ESPN mag'?
it give an inside look on a nfl training camp from an unknown player and how camp can be a grind… well basically, this player said that most coaches who take it easy during camp gets more out of his players during the long season… especially if the nfl plans to extend the regular season. in know theres a few espn haters out there but if you get a chance, read it cause it gave me a different perspective as a fan cause all we think is these guys are goin 110% 24-7 and when it seems theyre not then their garbage…. when reality is these coaches use this time to gameplan the season regardless of injured or not.
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
Sigh
I will use this post for further ammunition later in the season should DHB continue with his inabilities. However if he shine some what this year I will put it aside and give him a pass. This is one of those things to ponder and hold our collective breathes and wait to see if we have some rotten meat in the fridge or a succulent filet mignon to be warpped in beautiful bacon and grilled to somewhere between rare and mid-rare. I shall take a much more mature laid back 40 year old’s approach rather than my head strong balls to the wall head exploding jump to conclusions. Waiting waiting waiting with foot tapping now for results from or hopeful not yet 1st round bust.
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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 18, 2010 1:43 PM PDT reply actions
Ye speaks wisely...
I should’ve been following this advice the whole time with DHB. I used the positive reports to raise my inner expectations for him. Which is why the recent course of events sucks. It makes me feel that I am again set-up for a let down.
Still, there is way too much gray area to reach any conclusions, but it is fun to recklessly speculate.
When you're chewing on life's gristle, don't grumble give a whistle and this'll help things turn out for the best.
by Rich Langford on Aug 18, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep
But when we have been led down the road so often with delusions of grandeur from our not so wonderful 1st rounders it is difficult to not cast stones and very large ones in that at our players with speculation.
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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 18, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Geez. We are fucking harsh on guys so early in preseason... How about supportin' a Raider trying to get better?
You pulled a page right outta SOB’s poll book with your one-sided poll options there, noontide. Actually SOB has come around… allowing for at least a hint of an idea counter to the post’s most salient points.
My point is, and I know I’m among the DHB defenders and predictors of his greatness—so I’m maybe not the best to judge here—let’s wait and see here,maybe, before jumping to conclusions, like the mainstream media???!?
I’m gonna stop worrying about the wideout spot, and consider the organization to have a handle on it for now. Cautious optimism, with big expectations on a solid performance of my real position of question: the O line. Tennessee will provide a nice challenge.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I don't know...I think training to be a jedi is fairly positive.
Honestly though, I fail to see a positive message to be gleaned from him sitting out at least back to back days of practice with the reason being cited as rest. Can you?
When you're chewing on life's gristle, don't grumble give a whistle and this'll help things turn out for the best.
by Rich Langford on Aug 18, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
no, but we know how clandestine this org. can be
I just don’t want to glean any negatives yet where not completely founded. It sucks, to put it bluntly, but I prefer to wait and see and hope that something will make it all make sense and soon.
There have been so many guys missing practice due to “soreness”, I really don’t know what to think.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Exactly...why didn't they say soreness.
In the immortal words of C and C music factory…“it makes you go hmm…” and that was the point. It is an attention raising situation. For me, the signs point to this being less than a hopeful turn of events. Expectations are about speculation and my expectations for DHB took a hit this past week. I hope he vastly exceeds my expectations.
When you're chewing on life's gristle, don't grumble give a whistle and this'll help things turn out for the best.
by Rich Langford on Aug 18, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Given your current level of expectations,
that wouldn’t be hard. Beware of swings in the other direction.
by Spirals galore on Aug 18, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Ahh yes the other direction...
it was that which made this news hard to swallow. I am with Lyle now. I will reserve judgment. He is going to have to prove it on gamedays.
When you're chewing on life's gristle, don't grumble give a whistle and this'll help things turn out for the best.
by Rich Langford on Aug 18, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
On the flipside, the one positive that we might glean from it all:
last year if you’d have asked anyone where DHB should’ve been on the depth chart, and it was not on the 1,2, or 3 spot, almost ever. We knew what Al would do, but as far as deserved…
Is it perhaps finally fair game for the position, and when you don’t produce, you find yourself not practicing with the projected starters?
I’d actually hate for this to be true, because it would mean the development of this young kid to be , at least for now, to have seriously screeched to a halt; I hope we can chalk it up to “soreness,” while I’m ambivalent about any football player unwilling to practice because he’s sore. Have you ever not been sore in football practice?
As a high school wrestler, we had to do six miles, six Ben Hurr’s, 50 push ups, 50 situps, 50 burpies, 50 jumping jacks, and duckwalk the perimeter of the wrestling room just to warm up and get the prior day’s soreness out of the body. Somehow it happened, but like I say… wondering about this approach for the Raiders keeping guys out and calling it soreness.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Look at it like this..He’s been working longer and harder than any player on our roster. His training camp began back in March. He’s been staying after practice and even arriving early to practice. He deserves this rest.
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gag me
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 20, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t roll that way, Sons. But I’m flattered by your offer. (;
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You SOB (admire your wit)
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 20, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
How do you know?
If you haven’t tried? Or have you and know for sure?
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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 21, 2010 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Haha. Nah. I’m just obsoluetly fascinated with women, so if it ain’t broke…
True knowledge consists in knowing that you know nothing
U never know
unless you try
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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 21, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok
I have his hero biscuit to go with his meager apparently only $2.4 mill contract ( me thinks that number is after his guaranteed $ paid out) It his job to work hard and be better especially after his showing or maybe I should say lack of showing last year.
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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 20, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
What would..................................
Jack Tatum, Phil Villapiano, Ben Davidson, Jon Ritchie, Fred Bilitnikoff, Warren Wells, Dan Conner, Tim Brown, Otis Sistrunk, Clem Daniels, Bo Jackson, Matt Millin, Ken Stabler, Mike Haynes, Lester Hayes, Jim Otto, Henry Lawrence, Gene Upshaw, Art Shell, Marcus Allen , Todd Christiansen, Dave Casper, Napolean McCallum, and the rest of the TOUGH, KICK ASS MOTHERFUCKERS THAT PLAYED THEIR COLLECTIVE ASSES OF IN A RAIDER UNIFORM,FOR THE TEAM AND THE LOVE OF THE GAME SAY? It’s a fucking shame, that’s what they would say. You have an overpaid 1st rounder (and that’s not his fault- what’s he do- not accept the money? Refuse to be picked?). Then you have Murphy,a 4th rounder who makes less,does better and works harder. You guys tell me what the problem is. REMEMBER what George Atkinson said Nation after beating the shit out of Lynn Swann in a playoff game. Swann and Chuck Noll were calling The Raider D “Part of the Criminal element in the N.F.L.”. His response? “Lynn Swann’s a crybaby”. Suck it up DHB we need you. R.F.F.R.
Damn you for being right here, Wyo...
I believe George Atkinson’s exact words were: “Lynn Swann, soft…”
I hope something worthy of his missing bubbles without him actually missing time. If indeed he is missing for being a bitch and a disgrace to all the great aforementioned Raiders, then by all means, it’s time we looked at jettisoning the last of the cargo…
however seemingly unlike Al; if it’s for the better of this team, then so be it. Murph is the fucking man.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
been meaning to ask...
* RFFR Run Form Field Recognition
* RFFR Relief Fund for Romania (UK)
* RFFR Russian Foundation of Fundamental Research
… or something else?
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 18, 2010 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s a fucking shame, that’s what they would say. You have an overpaid 1st rounder (and that’s not his fault- what’s he do- not accept the money? Refuse to be picked?). Then you have Murphy,a 4th rounder who makes less,does better and works harder. You guys tell me what the problem is.
Here’s something.
You say he’s overpaid, but you ALSO said, that it’s NOT HIS FAULT.
Also, DHB IS working hard. He has been working with Nnamdi after camp, and trying to improve his mechanics. The coaches like how he’s improved, as well as the players. Murphy is just more ahead of the curve now, and being quick helps that out a lot.
So what’s the problem?
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Down with Big Brother!
The problem is that the improvement has been only relative to last year
and that it has only been seen in practice. If, as I suspect, the cause is psychological, we are not going to see actual game improvement until the cause is addressed. And if he’s sore, he’ll get sorer by resting. Trust me on that.
by Spirals galore on Aug 19, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I think maybe
the problem is we have 2 -3 high draft picks from the last few years on the team that are under productive in comparison to their draft position. We are all tired of low performance and what seems to be excuses. As I said I will wait to break out the bustometer until games 6-8 and evaluate from their on ALL our perceived position player issues we have discussed quite passionately.
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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 19, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
DHB great on MADDEN 11....
If only i could control him like i do on my PS3 he would be GREAT….
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by NATION OF DOMINATION on Aug 18, 2010 6:16 PM PDT reply actions
lol. I could always use him effectively enough even developing him in '10
with the play action. Trick is setting it up effectively, and throwing right when the qb is hitching up into the pocket or moving into his play action boot or rollout.
Let’s wait and see now that we have a couple of adequate, sober, and ready to go qbs to throw to him, shall we?
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
listen everyone
Im sure dhb will be the next tim brown (only faster).
Exhibit A) His stellar college career. Exhibit B) That great talent evaluator Al Davis who has never missed on a 1st round draft pick hand picked him.
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Aug 18, 2010 9:19 PM PDT reply actions
What's this! A suave subtle mr. rat?
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 18, 2010 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions
why are you such a sarcastic little fucker lol
lol plus dont put tim brown and DHB in the same sentence… he hasnt deserved it yet
Like you said it's sarcasm.
I like the rat’s comments since unlike Al’s wingman, he gives reasons for some of his comments as opposed to just saying stuff to be a douche. Also he says what alot of us are thinking but don’t want to come to terms with. However with that said, as much as I “hate” on DHB I think he does deserve some support albeit it with a watchful eye. Again it is only preseason. He will be playing against a cover 2 this week and hopefully the coaching staff should help put him in the proper position to attack it accordingly.
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The valiant never taste of death but once.
WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE, Julius Caesar
Some info on Nnamdi and Branch
Im looking at SI’s fantasy magazine and Tyvonn was thrown at 50 times and only gave up 1 TD which is top 10 in the NFL. Aso was thrown at so little times he doesnt even qualify for the list
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unfortunately you need INT’s to be a Pro Bowler, how feared you are doesn’t matter until you get at least 6 or 7 INT’s. Which is sad because Branch does amazing things against the run and does a great job popping receivers for incompletions.
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V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
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This post is frusterating because Darrius has been working harder than any player on this roster in the last 3 months..Big deal. He didn’t catch the ONE pass that was thrown to him. It’s a preseason game.
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Sorry. Meant Poll. The POLL is frusterating. The post was well written, as always.
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Wrong, eff DHB, enter Jacoby Ford baby! Even JLH.... lol
He won’t play Bears game, he’s “tired.” I bet mentally, of the expectations that are wanted from him, his character is lame it resembles that of a passive female, he’s non-aggressive. Do you see lamarr Houston just chilling because it’s a pre-season game? Do you see any one just chilling at all?
It means he is so sure that he has a starting spot that he is special to call in for “fatigue”, it’s pissing me off. I’m pulling for Ford to take the flanker position on WR, DHB’s position.
The RaiderLaker
Something is definitely not right
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/Heyward-Bey-Razzed-for-Resting-101167374.html
I certainly hope we are not beginning to see the pampering of another overpaid underachiever.
by Spirals galore on Aug 20, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I shall
still patiently wait and see come games 6-8 to make my final judgment with the Bust-O-Meter on DuHurtB and McBroken et al in the porcelain group of players. It is preseason and if I smell bullshit I would be all over it. Take a collective breath and wait as I. However wait as the Falcon on the perch for the mouse that probably will come out of its hole eventually.
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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 20, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I doubt you'll make. But, so long as the DeadHandsBoy looks good on Sundays, let him kick back all week
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 20, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanx for the link to that news place I didn't know about. So... supossedly we are interested in WR Brandon Jones?
That would give us a good WR who has caught 41 passes before, in one season, seems awesome compared to 9 receptions.
The RaiderLaker
He's a good WR.
But he’s injured. The titans released him due to injury problems.
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Down with Big Brother!
It’s amazing how quick people jump to conclusions around here..We burn our own players more than any team it seems like.
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The issue is I believe.
We are tired older fans. With the 7 years of inept play (Routt), bad draft picks/busts(JaJailBird), excuses, overpaid waste of contract signings(Sapp) and coaching turnovers (Kiffen) we want a turn around. Its not jumping to conclusions it would be more like impatience. How can you blame us.
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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 20, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
It’d be understandable if Oakland was a top contender for the Super Bowl and actually had high expectations. But, we’re still lucky to finish 8-8 this year. I’ve been saying this too much, but Rome wasn’t built in a day. We can’t expect Darrius to catch 10 passes for 150 yards in a preseason game. Reggie Wayne had 0 catches and was only thrown to twice last week, do you think people in Indy are saying he’s washed up? Of course not. All I’m asking is that we wait till atleast Week 6 to judge anyone on this team..Except Routt. He’s shit.
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Cool thing about this up coming matchup is that Routt may start. But he may do good because
The WR he will cover is just fast, and short, so basically no Roy Williams type body. Johhny Knox Is slim and fast so is Hester is a little heavier though. Don’t be fooled if he does good, he still sucks…
The RaiderLaker
But, we’re still lucky to finish 8-8 this year. I’ve been saying this too much, but Rome wasn’t built in a day.
That wasn’t the case for Miami in 08. lol
But I see what you mean, and you make a pretty good point.
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Down with Big Brother!
I have NO clue how they turned that Org. around so fast..Haha.
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It's Bill Parcels. He has the magic.
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Down with Big Brother!
No one
is expecting that he get 10 catches in limited action in preseason. If he would have got 2 everyone one would said good start. Put last years nonperformance, with his draft position and speed hype then throw a dash of OTA/training camp/extra work with the QBs hype and finally sprinkle some good old Raider misinformation on his injury/non-injury/tired from working so hard AND presto you get a few irate impatient long time Raider fans that want wins.
Whether we are a top contender or not should have no bearing. We want improvement from 10+ loss seasons for 7 years straight. Rome also had continued signs of progress in being built without all the laborers, masons etc etc taking days off for sore………… well sore anything.
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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 20, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, If I remember,
DHB said himself that he was working at the facility the week after Super Bowl Sunday. I Myself posted up a link saying that he was working with Grad. He was here before ANYONE ELSE, trying to put in the work so he can be better on the field.
Honestly, yes, I hate the resting part of it as well, but ANYONE that comes in that early not to bullshit but actually work, And is trying to improve, don’t deserve this much heat. Yes, heat is deserved, because I want to see his ass on the field Sunday. However, Half of you got him labeled as J-Cut 2.0, with the way y’all are complaining – not debating, COMPLAINING.
And if people are THAT damn Irate, I hope we don’t lose 5 more seasons in a row, because most of you would probably attempted suicide by then.
It’s Preseason. Calm down some.
In Bruce We Trust
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Aug 20, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I think
I will do as I please.
I am speculating not complaining (there is a difference). If he is tired fine if he is IR bound then that his a horse of a different color.
I see no comparison to JaBustO. I have not laid the 2 side by side. I have broken down with rationale truths. That is if he so fast AND working so hard then he should have a great year. If he languishes I will know my initial thought that he is not a 7th overall pick is right. As I said I am waiting for it all to play out by game 6-8 to make my final judgments on DHB, McBroken, Bush and few others. Routt however does not get a pass he should be booted from camp now.
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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 20, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
This is the crux of why you and I aren't agreeing so much lately. For I do believe with only 4 improvements we could go all the way
It’d be understandable if Oakland was a top contender for the Super Bowl and actually had high expectations. But, we’re still lucky to finish 8-8 this year.
LCB, LT, C, RG (assuming WRs step up). So, expect criticism b/c my standard is what it is.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 20, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
I myself would switch the WR for LCB as I think with the supposed “newer” defensive scheming the LCB wont look quite so vulnerable and we do have some possible serviceable talent filling LCB. As for WR its wide open for someone to show they are the Alpha but from first accounts so far I would say its unfortunately a war of attrition.
When you least expect it there I am waiting below to take you out......if your lucky.
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 20, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I love that about you. Your optimism is sky high! With the acception of the LT and maybe replace that with WR, I agree. But, we don’t have thos needed players. I think we’re a CB, a RG and a year away from being a serious contender for the Super Bowl. But until we get those, we’re a .500 team.
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