10 Things Follow Up From The Bear Game:
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Aug 23, 2010 11:10 PM PDT
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PrintNow that I've gotten a chance to watch and digest the game from Saturday, here is what I saw as it relates to what I wanted to see before the game started:
For those of you who also wrote in the "10 Things Thread", you can cut and paste what you saw.
1) Will LaMarr Houston or Matt Shaughnessy be able to draw a double team?
Houston was doubled a lot and had trouble getting free, although he was causing ruckus and letting others, Wimbley, get free for sacks. Houston put together some great tape, beyond the numbers.
As for Schaughnessy, he had a great stop behind the line, but I didn't notice much double teaming.
2) Will Nnamdi be playing the Bear's #1 Receiver?
Nnamdi didn't play and it made me wonder if Al's scholarships are returning.
3) Will Sampson Satele get pushed around again?
Satele was a beast until he got hurt. On the next play after he left, Chris Morris snapped a shotgun three feet wide to Jason Campbell which was recovered by the Bears deep in Oakland territory and was too easily converted into a touchdown.
I am hoping that Satele recovers quickly because I don't like the thought of a rookie center learning a new position and League at the same time or Chris Morris being severely average.
4) Will Jason Campbell continue to see Murphy and Z. Miller as his top 2 targets?
This is absolutely the case. Murphy is stepping up while DHB and Chaz keep fading into an abyss.
5) Will Rolando McClain make his first difference making play?
McClain didn't make an explosive game changing play, in fact, he may have been taught an over-pursuit lesson when he put his head down and left a gap wide open
6) Will the first team establish the run in the first possession?
The first possession was exactly what I envision the Oakland Raider's 2010 Offense to look like. Bush was a work horse early in the drive and then Campbell used his two favorite targets, Murphy and Miller to get to the 2 yard line before the running the ball in himself from 1 yard out.
7) Who will have a better day, Cartwright or Bennett?
You would have to say that Bennett has the edge if it is a running back competition, but Rock may get thenod because of his ability to return kicks. If we see Bennett returning kicks next week then he may just have the edge.
Bennett did run for a 4.3 yard average on 15 carries and looks to be a good back-up for Bush.
8) Will Travis Goethel continue to impress?
Goethel was the man again. He defended a pass and had a tackle. Not bad for a 6th Rounder that I saw as special teams fodder on Draft Day.
9) Will a rookie DB assert himself?
Take your pick here. Ware was very good except for the TD that he gave up, but, McFadden made a couple of really nice plays and Stevie Brown made his second pick in as many weeks.
10) What positions and how much time will Veldheer and Campbell play?
Interestingly, Campbell went the entire first half. He looked to "mark", walk through, some plays at the end, as if he were practicing, but, to me he looked fantastic.
Jared Veldheer looks to be the Offensive Line Surprise of 2010. This rookie from a DII school may be starting somewhere along the line when the season starts.
Well, that's what I saw...What did you see?
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How is DHB “fading into the abyss”? I swear, some people just hate him for the sake of hating him.
True knowledge consists in knowing that you know nothing
Him not playing, is like "fading into the abyss..."
I give a shit if he has been kicking ass in practice, I did not witness that, I want to witness. Otherwise, he is garbage to me, He better get a catch in the 49er game. Again I want production otherwise I will not be convinced, the pre-season is good to get timing with the QB, it is valuable “practice” time. Don’t give that “but it’s preseason” BS Jake, stop defending him, he needs to produce then I will stfu, the doubters will stfu. The more he makes us wait the more we doubt..
The RaiderLaker
It is not important what you witness
it is important what the coaches witness. Far too much time and energy is spent on this site about DHB. All of this stuff is just training camp talk, none of it means anything. The Raiders have some very tough decisions to make as far as roster cuts, the exhibition games are used to find out who stays, who gets cut. DHB is staying, but Watkins, Ford, Figurs, Higgins and a few others are fighting for jobs. Cable is correctly using these games to find out who stays, and who is cut.
If you want to complain about DHB why not wait until the 4th or 5th league game, then anything is fair.
He has been handed the starting job since day 1 and Murphy had run circles around him:
He has done nothing, in fact, he actually cost us a chance to beat KC last year when a perfectly thrown pass from Grads bouded from his arms into a CHief defenders. He has faded into an abyss in the past week.
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Aug 24, 2010 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree on all your points
except the abyss part. That is training talk fodder, nothing more. What do we know for sure, well, we know that DHB had a terrible year last year, no one including DHB disputes that. We also know that he worked diligently all off season in the Raider facility to improve. We know he came to camp energized and from all reports quite improved, in fact, excellent was thrown around.
He came out of the Dallas game very quickly, then a mysterious fatigue condition cropped up and he hasn’t practiced, that is all we know. In this day and age of instant gratification and quick diagnosis this site is going crazy over nothing. This season does not hinge on DHB, that is all I am saying.
I agree: I was just pointing out that in comparison to Murphy:
BOTH DHB and Chaz are getting left in the dust.
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Aug 24, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Louis Murphy=The Man
no argument there; but it will never make his skill set perfect to be anyone’s number one receiver. He has more heart than all other receivers combined. Not counting Zach miller as a receiver, as is often done for this team.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I'm reserving judgment on these guys right now. If come season, we're still seeing this nonsense
and he’s not on the field where he needs to be to produce. Then, I’ll start piling on. So far, he’s a rookie with the weight of the world on his shoulders from where he was drafted and because he has speed, who’s had a miserable first season with a horrible offense and a primarily sizzurp sippin’ fool at qb, absymal play calling by Cable, and lots of falling down by McFadden on pinky contact, and even more drops by too many key players.
I will join the club in hating him if he is unable to overcome the stigma this year, and by that I mean to be showing he’s overcoming it by at least the sixth game of the season. If we keep getting this bullshit like the latest, then I’ll say trade him for what little we can get, no matter how little. For now, I’m behind him, and believe he’ll surprise most of his detractors soon.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Well said
He had everything going against him last year and all kinds of pressure to perform and he faltered…I doubt Craptree would have looked any better with the type of offense we put on the field last year. We knew DHB would be a project of sorts and was a little more raw with more potenital than the other receivers in that draft class. The guy is learning and he’s working hard at his craft and that’s all we can ask of him at this point since we are still in camp. You can’t harp on him for every game that he doesn’t break out…that time will come and it may not be until halfway through the season. If he can’t get it going by the first half of the season then it’s time to start to really worry about his progress. Until then…let the guy come into his own on his own terms.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who make people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
by Buster Bluth on Aug 24, 2010 5:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm worried about the "fatigue" issue
That is just starting to sound like one of those nagging non-specific injuries that never really go away.
Louis Murphy didn’t seem to have a problem with our abysmal offense last year. Not throwing DHB under the bus, but I’m not going to make excuses for a grown man who gets paid to catch footballs.
Agreed
DHB had the same opportunities that Murphy did, and Lou just simply out performed him. IMO, Murphy from the start had more skills and showed he was polished enough to have a decent rookie season. And he’s supposed to be our 3rd WR? Murph should be starting ahead of DHB until he can prove himself. And it’s a heartbreak that Chaz might have to get surgery. We need to pick up a veteran free agent or something, we cant wait for these unexperienced, young recievers to develop, at least not if we want to win NOW! And I want to win NOW! 7 yrs is enough, I’m tired of getting crapped on by critics, reporters, etc. I believe if we can get consistent production from someone other than Murph and ZMiller, we could have a nice passing game. Supposedly DMC can do that, but when are we gonna see it. If they’re not playing preseason football, what makes us think they’re just gonna show up opening day and be ready for the game speed and have the endurance to go thru a complete game…..
Something needs to give!
by RaiderDevastate1 on Aug 24, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
+ 1
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 24, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I definitely agree with everything that you said: Rec'd
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Aug 24, 2010 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions
10 Legitimate Options We Have In The Now To Deal With The Reality We Face...
- Receiver “TE” Zack as “H” also suggested and as has already been the case with this team…Also using the 2-“TE” scheme more frequently to get both our "TE"s active in the game as receivers…
- “WR” Murphy…
- “WR”/“RB” Slash “D-Mac” as is being developed out of the backfield as a “RB” plus getting him more into the game as a “WR”…
- "WR"s “DHB”/Jecoby as the deep threats that force the "DB"s to play back off the “LOS” and out of run support…
- Strong running game as #1 weapon
wBush/Bennett…
- Dump-offs to the "RB"s in short passing scheme as is already being developed…
- Chaz added to the mix when healthy and others as they develop…
- "FB"s used in the short passing game as is already being developed and go after that Jets “FB” when he becomes available…
- Rely upon the “D” to keep us in the games…
- Address the “WR” deficiency at the end of the season
wPlexico “GunMan” Burris and other acquisitions that present themselves as realistic legitimate possibilities…
This assessment plays to our strengths - its very reasonable. I'm more concerned
at this point, with our lines inabilities to provide more time and open gaps
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 24, 2010 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Louis is a different guy, a 4th rounder, and not ever expected to step in and be a number 1
Granted, he should’ve never been below DHB on our depth chart, but no one placed the developmental label on Murphy. We never placed expectations on him at all, in light of the highlighted swing and miss picks on which there was nothing but.
He hasn’t even had a second year, and this’ll be the first he actually has legitimate guys throwing to him, so I’ll remain behind DHB, until at least game six, when it will be time to judge.
Some of us need to ask ourselves: “Do we know what it’s like to be an NFL rookie receiver?” How many even know what it’s like to be a receiver, much less a football player period? I can’t help but think of a tweet I read from Quentin Groves about how so many “armchair quarterbacks,” can make snap judgments, when they’ve never even played a down in this game.
Stop comparing him to Louis. No one loves Louis more than I do, but on the same token, I feel no one wants DHB to succeed more than I do, and with him this Raider team. Sometimes reading here I wonder if some folks want him to succeed at all. If indeed he’s suffering from psychological stresses and disorders, he needs the support of the nation more than ever.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
"Just Supportin Baby" Use To be Universal Prior To All this Crying!!!...
Yours is a damn good take on the subject and I also don’t understand the perpetual desire for one of our players to fail except some still want to stick it to the “OldMan” saying he screwed up on that pick….Totally pathetic in my estimation…
As far as stress goes we all handle it differently and what hurts one scarcely effects another…Remember that “C” Barret Robins and what a little more support could have done for him and that “SB” appearance…Had that replacement “HC” been on the ball the way the coaches prior to him were that episode may never have happened and his life may have had a better ending…
Just like in war…Not everyone from the same scene comes home “PTSD” but a few of us will…
I played “HB”-n-“CB”…Didn’t have the hands for “WR” but had the quickness/speed /vision so “CB” was a natural fit as was the “HB”…
It takes three years to develop most WR's
Unfortunately, because DHB was taken so high, his current worthlesness is costing the team money that could have been spent elsewhere on somone more ready to contribute now.
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Aug 24, 2010 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Stanford Routt didn't overtly suck...Voting that as most shocking development
"God will understand. And if he does not understand, then he is not God, and we need not worry." -Orlando Bloom, Kingdom of Heaven
lol Yea i was real worried when I heard both Nnamdi and CJ were out.
…but Rout and the rookies played well .
Cable Bumaye! Raiders Bumaye!
Saint's a Chris Morris fan!
Because rating him as “severely average” is extremely generous. He’s horrible. As average as Satele is, if he can’t start the season, we are in huge trouble along that line.
I read that if Maurkice Pouncey wins the starting center job in Pittsburgh, the Steelers may look to trade Justin Hartwig, rather than pay a backup like a starter. If Satele’s out for any length of time, that may be something to look into.
Some of the rookies looked like, well, rookies this game, especially Veldheer who was seriously abused by Julius Peppers several times. But that’s to be expected…putting a rookie in against maybe the best defensive end in the game is going to lead to things like that. Encouragingly, Mario Henderson seemed to handle Peppers without much trouble, which is critical.
Really liking how Stevie Brown is coming along. If he keeps playing this well the next two games, we may be able to bid adieu to Hiram “Don’t Stiff Arm Me Bro” Eugene. Hell, Jerome Boyd has outplayed Eugene too. Keeping my fingers crossed that Hiram’s a victim of the final cutdown to 53.
Also encouraging is the play of Jeremy Ware, who I’d actually put in the 4th corner spot over Walter McFadden, based on play at this point.
CJ is a better corner than Routt, but I’m honestly wondering if it wouldn’t be better to at least try starting Routt opposite Asomugha. He actually looks competent when playing outside as opposed to covering the slot receiver inside, when he looks totally lost. CJ could be a beast nickel corner too. Something to ponder.
Goethel is giving the coaching staff a lot to think about. Ricky Brown’s been a beast on special teams. Slade Norris is playing well enough to probably earn himself a slot on the practice squad for another year.
I really hope that Colt gets a chance to play a full quarter over the next two games and that they let him sling it to see what he can do. If he shows promise, I think he’d be a great candidate for the practice squad this year and to challenge for the backup job in 2011.
Bruce had better hope he can get on the field pronto and impress when he gets there. Otherwise Boller’s play will have him as the #2.
"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"
Agree with most of your assessments except for Ware over McFadden. Great idea about Justin Hartwig, he's big - 315 -
experienced and tough – would be an upgrade over Satelle (don’t want to think about Morris).
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 24, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Nice!!
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Aug 24, 2010 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
The whole truth, and nothing but...
The truth! I’m goin’ with it!
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
?Que?
Nnamdi didn’t play and it made me wonder if Al’s scholarships are returning.
Cable said that Nnamdi was ill the morning of the game and that’s why he didn’t play. Guys like Nnamdi and Seymour don’t need to play in the 2nd preseason game if they aren’t 100%. It’s not a scholarship issue, if Cable has been consistent about anything this preseason its been being cautious with players to get/keep them ready for Week 1.
I wish I knew how to do those upside down question marks on my keyboard!
! and exclamations points, too! ! Hijole!
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
Ignorance is NOT bliss
Anyone who thinks crabtree would have had a season at all like the dismal performance of the DHB experiment is a deluded quack. Yes DHB is still 23 and has yet to figure out how to run with the big dogs. But no 1ST round draft pick should ever get shut out of a college game, it happened multiple times, and who would have guessed its a recurring issue!? We might as well have two tight ends on the field because he cant get OPEN. That being said I really do hope the best for him and D MCfalldown; please prove me wrong!
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