Jared Veldheer Will Block You From Any Position.
The results are in and the Raiders saw them. Jared Veldheer easily secured the majority of the Nation's votes to get the nod at Starting Center on Saturday. The results left Coach Cable with no choice. We speak, they listen--Veldheer is starting.
Veldheer will become the tallest player to ever start at Center in the NFL. Now just go out there and prove you can hack it with the big boys Veld and don't get Jason Campbell killed.
It's hard not to worry that he'll get overwhelmed, but if he or his coach doubt his ability to handle the job, they aren't letting on. Cable elaborated on how JV has given him confidence that he is ready for the Varsity. Cable:
The first thing you look for in a small school guy is, `Is he kind of fearful of competition?' That’s never once been the case on any day throughout camp.
Okay, so Veld's got the skills to instill the confidence that straightens out the learning curve inherit with the bigger than usual jump in talent. But he is also making the jump from Tackle to Center and not only is he switching positions he is switching while only spending part of practices at the Center position. That seems like too much to ask of any rookie--no mater where they went to school.
Cable, who has experience moving lineman around, was keeping an eye on the switch and how Veld handled it. Cable:
At first we worried about (the move) from tackle to center. He has handled that very well and really has not had any setbacks. He's a pretty bright guy. He's been able to handle it mentally. That's usually the challenge.
For his part, Veldheer seems to be taking it all in stride. Veld:
It’s two different worlds. You just have to transition yourself, outside to inside. This week I’ve been able to get back into that inside world more. It will be fun on Saturday.
You gotta love that quote. Let's hope it is fun on Saturday. A week ago it seemed to me utterly foolish and reckless to hope Veldheer could help solidify the glaring weakness of the Center position. While the task still seems to large to ask of any rookie the fact is, that the hope that Jared Veldheer may be able to man the Center position for the Raiders is on the radar screen now.
Also registering on the radar screen, but with smaller bleeps, sweeps and creeps are the following:
- Chris Johnson was back at practice. Cable didn't say if he expected him to play or not. It's just good to have him practicing. With the Raiders you never know until you know and a player missing time for a tight hamstring can sometimes turn into a player going into the hospital for a heart transplant.
- DHB practiced again today and made at least one nice play. I didn't see any mention of any drops or negative plays...or further fatigue issues.
- Cable said, and understandably so, that these will be the hardest cut-downs since he joined the Raiders. Saturday's game will go a long way to determining on which side of the bubble players will land.
- One player Cable commented on specifically was Thomas Howard. When asked about Howard's status, Cable had this to say:
I think we’ll know more after we get through this one. I’m not trying to avoid the question. I just think that the way this game is set up and some of the things that well be doing defensively we’ll have a chance to see where he is at.
- I don't know about you, but this seems like a ringing endorsement only opposite. I don't want to wish injuries upon anyone, so I'll just say I am hoping a team has a couple of surprise retirements at the LB position and gets desperate for help and the Raiders swap TH for a pick. Otherwise, it may be the chopping block for Howard.
- As we know, from following previous too long pre-seasons, the third game is the game you find with the most resemblance of a regular season game. This will be somewhat muted this year since these two neighbors/teams play again in week 6 and as Cable said they don't want to reveal too much. Cable:
Because we’re playing them later we probably won’t show everything we normally would.
- As much tape as teams have on other teams, I am not sure how much keeping things out of this game will deny the other team of any intimate knowledge of anything they'll be trying to do, but whatever. It does leave the Raiders more room to evaluate those bubble players by putting them in the situations they want to see them in. Bottom line is, this game 3 may be a slightly less revealing than other game 3's.
- When asked if Schilens was definitely out for Week One, Cable wouldn't rule it out. Cable:
I don’t know that yet. They’re telling us we can probably answer that question the first of next week.
- In related news: I am not ruling out winning the Lottery next week. I kid, I kid. Get well Chaz. I can't imagine how frustrating this is for him.
- In NFL news, it was "revealed" that the owners are in favor of an 18 game schedule in 2012. What? The owners want to make more money? Color me shocked at this revelation. Personally, I like 16 game seasons. Enough players are lost to injury through the course of 16 games. Adding two more just makes the playoffs seem to slide more towards a war of attrition than a battle of greatness.
- I'd love to hear Al's thoughts on the expanded schedule. If I had to bet, I'd say he is one of the few owners that is in favor of keeping the status-quo.
- Sources: Tafur and McDonald
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Very excited to see veldheer have a go at centre with the first team
In regards to 18 games I say – hell yeah! More real football games!!!!
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here." - Al Davis
by Ozraider on Aug 26, 2010 2:35 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Im alil disappointed in Thomas Howard...
Veldheer will beast at any position (it seems)…and DHB just need alil rest. I know its rough when your a wide reciever with over 9 years of exerience and hard work..putting up huge numbers..oh wait…
by Kobe Won Kenobi on Aug 26, 2010 2:49 AM PDT reply actions
Love the Veldheer move to Center - Veld is going to develop there and be a great one; I'm grateful to Satele
for graciously limping aside. If they keep 4 preseason games and add 2 regular, then I’m against the change. 4’s too many and 2’s not enough to evaluate before the big layoffs. 3 preseason scrimmages would be perfect. But I like 16 regular season games best, just as I prefer fewer NFL teams (no more expansion) – and for the same reason – the football quality goes down with more teams and with more games (due to roster depletion). Greed hurts the game.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
The plan they are backing is to shorten the preseason to 2.
Hey you guys!
by Rich Langford on Aug 26, 2010 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions
No good
As pretty much everyone has come to think is 2 preseason games is not enough to evaluate players. They will have to increase the cap to accommodate more players from the pile of injuries that will amount from the extra 2 games. Imagine getting into a car accident once a week (if you play at the point of attack) and you will begin to realize what happens to a players body. Its too much I love the Raiders but its just a grab of greed by the owners that support this.
When you least expect it there I am waiting below to take you out......if your lucky.
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 26, 2010 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Jury is still out on Veldheer
For me, anyway. Not that I don’t think that he will become a good player, but I don’t know that he is ready now to start, at any position. As weak as we are at C and RG, I just don’t know that throwing an unproven rookie will help. Rookies can and do step in and start on a regular basis on the OL, even when changing positions, but I don’t know how many come from D2, change position, and still step in. The plus is that at C he won’t have to deal with many strength/speed combo guys, as opposed to LT, where he struggled with Peppers.
We’ll see how it plays out, before I make any endorsement.
I said before that I felt that it was better to keep Morrison and kick him outside than to keep Howard. I still feel the same way, and it may be that Howard is not long for the team, even after his generous tender…
Failure builds character; success reveals it
Veld has 2 weeks ~ 1 full hour of real-time practice to get ready for Tenessee - I'm betting he succeeds b/c he's
strong and teachable (learner’s mind, humble and flexible – judging from all his comments and what coaches are saying about him). Satele is okay and Morris will be cut so Veldheer MUST succeed at C (unless we get Hartwig from Pittsburgh whose losing his spot to Pouncey). This move puts more pressure on the T positions, now without Veld relieving them. It might also motivate Soup to see a rookie advance to the starting line-up – I hope he can assume RG duties soon.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
All the plays I've seen Campbell in on are him usually pushing his man forward which is what i like to see from a OG.
I think with good coaching he will become a solid starter eventually. I like the experiment of Veldheer at center because A) we don’t have many other options, B) it’s good to get him reps at multiple positions to see how he handles it. I don’t think he will be the center going forward or even if Satele doesn’t work out but it should help him especially with leverage and getting lower in his stance so he can improve at the real positions which I see him in the future. That would be either guard or tackle. I think since he has such short arms and is lean he may become a getter guard in the future especially in Cable’s ZBS which relies on leaner lineman who can move.
Cowards die many times before their deaths
The valiant never taste of death but once.
WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE, Julius Caesar
Probably right. Soup and Veld are ideal OGs and the reps Jared's getting along the line are going to help him in the
long run wherever he ends up.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 26, 2010 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions
At "C" He Has To Be Able To Call The "OL" Play...There Is Where He Learns Leadership...
I love the move in Preseason…What better time to find out what a player can do than when it doesn’t cost the team anything…If he has a good 1st step that should show up at “C” where he knows before anyone that the ball is moving… The biggest test to me will be to see if he can handle the “Bull Rush” that “SadFran” is prolley going to unleash on him from the start…I don’t expect them to go at it with soft mittens….“KidGloves”…
As for Morris he may be able to play well at “G” and continue to be valuable back-up…Don’t know enough about him to make that decision…Sampson also…What would his value be at “G” n back-up “C”…OR…Do they have any trade value….
Center??
I thought he looked great at left tackle against Chicago. Not too sure about this move, but I guess thats why I don’t coach. 18 games would be awesome. The worst time of the year is the offseason. Waiting for football to start again. I wish they could play 20.
PFT is reporting...
…That Maurkice Pouncey has officially won the starting center job in Pittsburgh. Would love to see Howard packaged with a pick and shipped to Pittsburgh for Justin Hartwig. We get an experienced, proven center and I always thought Howard’s speed would make him a great 3-4 ’backer.
Kamerion Wimbley is the truth
by Raybin on Aug 26, 2010 8:56 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I don't want an 18 game season...
I need to evaluate my teams man! 4 pre-season games are good imo. More evaluations!
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
You Of All People Should Be For Less Preseason So I Would Have Suspected...
Being a “Patcy” fan only a few new players are plugged in each season so how much is there to really evaluate…That’s the way the Raiders use to be and hopefully will soon become again…It’s the teams who are rebuilding or replacing "OC"s/"DC"s/"HC"s that need the extra time to evaluate their players/schemes/coaches…
Well maybe that’s something that should be programed into the new system…If your a team who has replaced their coaching staff or are replacing more than 10% of their player roster than you should be allowed to begin camp early and have scrimmages with other teams like yourself for the purpose of evaluations….
by PantyRaider on Aug 26, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Being a "Patcy" fan only a few new players are plugged in each season so how much is there to really evaluate
I like how me being a pats fan as well has to do with anything regarding a topic. lol
Anyways, I just like evaluating young players, and an potential talent they may have. Those Under the radar players. :)
It’s a hobby of mine. For example, what do you think of Jeremy Ware and Brown this pre-season? Brown and Ware have surprised me a bit in terms of play making ability, and coverage(they happen to be in the area where the ball is around).
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
by patriotguy2 on Aug 26, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
No Harm Intended...The Point Was They Prolley Don't Need It As Much As Most...
Hobbies are hobbies and I also have mine…Stats…I’m from an engineering background so love the math/relationships/match-ups/strategy/tricks and so forth…Love to X-n-O myself to sleep at night…And I dearly love the “Slash” type because they add such versatility to the schemes and bag of tricks…
Like I have this visions of the “Hook-n-Ladder Wild-Hog” in an atmosphere of confusion after a “TO” where both "QB"s come to the huddle and get in a fist fight as the “OC” is calling them back to the sidelines…Than during that entertainment the “C” walks up to the ball and waves for everyone to play ball…The “LT”-n-“LG” join him as the “RG”-n-“RT” continue to stand off at a distance to the left but on the line shrugging their shoulders while both "QB"s stand beyond the sidelines arguing with the “OC”…There are only 9-10 men on the field…Now the ball is pitched to the “RB” (D-Mac) who has the option to run or throw…“DHB” runs to his left and slightly behind…If the pursuit reaches “D-mac” he laterals to “DHB” and throws the block that springs him loose for the score…I would call it on 3-n-short so for sure you at least make that 1st dn and they least expect the trickery and don’t expect a play with too few players in the game…No penalty for that one is there???…
0o I'd have to see it visually to understand. I only got the fact that there are 5 OL and 2 RBs involved on the play, so I'd have to actually see the play.
I’m not from an engineering background, but it is one of my interests. I went into CAD in highschool, and chose mechanical engineering as my main direction.
math/relationships/match-ups/strategy/tricks and so forth
Wow. I’m the same way. lol
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
18 games...but with roster rule changes
I like the idea of moving from 16 to 18 regular season games, but the owners are crazy if they think they can get 18 regular season games with everything else status quo. Significant injuries during the preseason usually cause a fan base to scream for fewer preseason games, but with the restrictive roster rules currently in place, an injury during the regular season could be just as crippling to a team. If the NFL wants to expand the regular season schedule they will need to be more flexible with the roster rules. Examples could be taken from MLB or NHL, where players go to a disabled list for a period of time before being eligible to return, while another player is able to take over that spot in the active roster.
The most common negative response for the 18 game season I’ve seen is the lack of talent evaluation with a shorter preseason. I think teams can find innovative ways of evaluating talent in the preseason without having 4 preseason games. The Raiders and Niners, along with other teams who train near each other, have traditionally held joint practice sessions and scrimmages to provide teams with other means of creating situations to evaluate talent. I’m sure teams would adapt to changes in the preseason schedule.
+1
I wouldn’t have put it better myself. The current CBA allows for up to 22 regular season games at these millionaires’ current salaries. I think 18 is fair. They should man up. Sammy Baugh and Max Lane played with broken noses and jaws regularly for a fraction of these pussies today. Let them bitch all they want. It’s fair plus we the fans get to see 18 games that count. That feeds my football fix more than 4 boring preseason games with maybe 40 of our regulars seeing action and another 30 Mr. Irrelevants try to solidify to warm the bench.
Cowards die many times before their deaths
The valiant never taste of death but once.
WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE, Julius Caesar
It's not so much about the players being made to suck it up but more about the quality of what we'll see with more games.
You might respond, ‘but quality will improve with more playing time’ to which I would rebut, ‘injured players may be playing but nowhere close to 100%’
Keep it at 16 and reduce preseason to 3 games (4 is probably unnecessary except for a few teams under major construction)
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 26, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Running back careers are already short
with longer seasons, running backs won’t last long at all and teams will need to employ more committees. I worry about the quality of the last month of the regular season and the playoffs. I would rather stick with a 16 game season.
"Follow your dreams, you can reach your goals, I'm living proof. Beefcake. BEEFCAAKE!!" --Eric Cartman
I think they should expand the playoffs instead
instead of 6 teams they should make it 8 like basketball and hockey. If youre going to add more games make them worth it.
8 playoff teams is too many!
there are only 16 teams in each conference, so if you are in the upper 1/2 you qualify? No.
NO MERCY!
by RAIDERSNOMERCY on Aug 26, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
expanding to 8??? interesting..e
We all know the division leader gets a spot..and currently 2 wild card teams (best records outside of division learders) that means a few bubble teams gets a chance (your 8-8, 7-9 teams) unless you get a year a whole division avg.10-11 wins while others are hovering 8-10..and instead of having a semi easy route to the AFC championship your division leaders are playing powerehouses in round 1..yikes!!!!
by Kobe Won Kenobi on Aug 26, 2010 1:23 PM PDT reply actions
whats the staus on sateles injury?
how long will he be out for? it would be nice if Veldheer and/or Cambell would win a starting spot versus forced into one by injury. Def good to hear postives about Veldheer though.
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Aug 26, 2010 2:48 PM PDT reply actions
Possibly only one game.
Although, I’d be surprised if they played him in the fourth game. By all accounts, he’ll be ready for Week One
Hey you guys!
by Rich Langford on Aug 26, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
nice
we cant afford to lose any starters on the line.
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Aug 26, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m still interested in what the players want, and so far I’ve heard that they’re against it. So if they are, I am too.
I hope Veldheer plays well. It’s interesting to have a 6’8 Center, but I’m not sure on how it’ll effect Jason. I don’t think it will actually.
Trade Howard for a pick. Or a WR. Or a RT. I don’t care. Just don’t cut him. That’ll be a HUGE mistake when someone signs him and he puts up great numbers for them.
True knowledge consists in knowing that you know nothing
even more interesting
It’s interesting to have a 6’8 Center, but I’m not sure on how it’ll effect Jason.
It seems, it could be an issue, if Grads were back there? hmmm…Are you saying so ‘cuz Jason’s tall?
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
If Anything It Clouds The Defenders View More Than The "QB"s...
Makes it difficult to find the hand-off n "RB"s as well as difficult to know a fake or a shuttle and where a pass is coming from…
Agreed. A very smart qb can use this to his advantage
a la, Drew Brees. Grads demonstrates flashes of that skill, but has miles to go before he’s in Drew’s shadow. Durability comes to mind first.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
DR Veldheer
people are already forgetting this guy was going for a doctorate in college. Smart as hell, big, strong. He can play anywere on the line. Put him at center now. For good.
Jared Veldheer
How come he can get drafted into the NFL, but had no interest from Division I teams; is their recruiting ability that pathetic?
I heard something about his choosing the D-II school for an academic program he liked
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 27, 2010 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions
D-II school
Not true, he really didn’t get any offers so he went to the school that gave him one; if a Division I school would have given him the same offer, he would have gone there. But then again, he needed some time to develop and Hillsdale gave him that opportunity.
by Joel Veldheer on Aug 27, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
something about you reminds me of our new Center
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 27, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Would love to hear Otto's thoughts on this
"God will understand. And if he does not understand, then he is not God, and we need not worry." -Orlando Bloom, Kingdom of Heaven
by angelesoterica on Aug 27, 2010 10:21 PM PDT reply actions
18-game season.
If the 18-game season means two less preseason games, hell yes. As a season ticket holder, I get pissed off having to pay full price for two meaningless practice games. (Not to mention $33 to park my damn car!)
As for concerns about injuries or shorten player evalutions, the league can expand the rosters to 60 for the first two regular season games. More bodies to evaluate and keep healthy.
RIP Bill King
by Snake and Freddy on Aug 30, 2010 9:12 AM PDT reply actions

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