Pivotal day for the Raiders
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 29, 2010 1:45 AM PDT
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PrintReturned home from the Oakland Coliseum where for 3 hours life focused on a single event - the 3rd preseason scrimmage btw. Oakland and San Francisco. Impressions from the game follow...
I saw a Raider defensive line that consistently fired out and attacked, gained ground, and rarely lost it.
I saw Linebackers leaving vast areas wide open and misreading play development.
I saw poor tackling, e.g. Wimbley and Ware - not wrapping up. Ware laid the wood on two tackles. Huff and Branch had good hits tonight as did Goethel, Sam Williams and Howard each having at least one memorable stick. Routt, again, was good in pass coverage. McClain was both really good, pursuing laterally and not letting anyone he touched get away and allowed a running back to come to him, a la Kirk Morrison, instead of rushing to meet him, took himself out of plays - twice by the same means - filling an empty gap adjacent to, and 2 gaps away from, the gap where the running back shot through into the wide open unprotected middle.
Our kicokff and punt coverage was horrible.
Our return team, whether it was Rock, Yamon, Johnny Lee or Jacoby back there, was so-so.
On the Offense, Jason Campbell led us again to a TD on the opening drive; this one 81 yds in 8 plays hitting along the way DHB for 22j yds and Marcel Reece for 34 yds. Then the offense languished. Next, Mario decided to quit blocking LaBoy who then took a free and brutal shot to Jason's upper back - taking him out of the game (with what I later learned was a stinger). On the line I was most impressed with the performance of our 3rd round draft pick, Jared Veldheer at Center, who moved whatever was in his path forward on runs and, for the most part, provided good pass protection. DHB ended the night with 3 out of 4 to him (I believe) for 46 yds - one one which was between two defenders and required focus and courage.
Gradkowski was very good tonight, especially when considering his being out of it for 9 months due to a series of injuries (knees, pec, groin). Grad came on the field as though he'd spent the past few months with his receivers and line - hitting targets left, right, and center before launching a perfectly thrown pass to Louis on a fly pattern that went 74 yard for a TD. Then Grad hit a few more receivers who managed to actually catch the ball before connecting with sure handed Zach on a 27 yd slant for another TD. The crowd at coliseum was now on its feet and going crazy. Then, with 1:38 in the game, Grad took the offense to mid-field but receivers, such as Watkins, couldn't match Grad's clutchness. The scrimmage ended and I've learned the Bush broke his thumb.
Final note: Nobody liked Hugh Jackson's usage of McFadden - I'm not saying DMC is necessarily a bust because I believe he is being used horribly. He is not an NFL RB. He should be playing as a WR or something else.
fn. Love Janikowski(!) whose 57 yard field goal (off the A's infield dirt) proves again that our Polish cannon is an anchor in any storm and the best deep ball threat this side of New Orleans. Thanks Seabass!
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DHB and Reece deserve mention too. Both made great plays.
DHB got 3 catches for 46 yards!!!!!!!! Reece 2 catches for 45 yards…
I just noticed Pat Willis is 6’1 and 240… McClain is 6’5 255…. no wonder Willis looks faster, He’s smallish but stout, and flies all over the place. McClain can’t move like him, but I saw that McClain almost had 2 sacks but Smith showed good awareness and fled out of the pocket… McClain did make errors though, like you said Sons, no doubt.
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I noticed nothing special of our D, I see we are saving some things for the real game; I thought we held back with Reece and McFadden on recieving plays, as well as passes to Z Miller or DHB when he was hot. No problem, we will see them again.
The RaiderLaker
Imo, Hue held back Sons, he's not going to let him loose in pre-season. He knows what we know.
What Dmac can do.
The RaiderLaker
UNLEASH THE SONS!
Green and Gold Lantern Corps
by oaklandSMASH on Aug 30, 2010 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions
That's exactly what we did Saturday - unleashed Marshall's Sons of Anarchy, i.e. our 2nd and 3rd Row
It was the all SS FS and MLB on SFs first drive:
1st Branch after a 2 yd run
2nd McClain after a 6 yd pass
3rd McClain after 6 yd pass
4th Branch after 49 yd run
5th McClain after 9 yd run
6th Huff on 0 yd run
missed Field goal (whew!)
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 30, 2010 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Thank you my Friend. I feel better with that reassurance. Someone compared some of Hugh's play calling tonight
no different than Cable’s then I read the thread and someone suggested that Cable was calling plays again. I don’t believe Hugh’s play calling is anything like Tom’s (bless his heart) but those series with McFadden were exactly like Cable’s and we know that that’s a recipe for disaster.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 29, 2010 2:20 AM PDT up reply actions
We have nothing to worry about on offensive play calling!!
With an open playbook in the regular season we should see the Oakland raiders team that showed up on the first possession. The run defense on the other hand took a step back as well as the pass rush.
by americaneagle510 on Aug 29, 2010 8:16 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Well I didn't see the results that I wanted
One or two sacks should have been a gimme but even though they got the pressure to smith they weren’t able to make the sack. Those two times we got close but not close enough would have negated at least one touchdown. In other words they did not grasp the opportunity when it presented itself as they did in the previous games.
by americaneagle510 on Aug 29, 2010 11:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The biggest thing I saw especially early
was the penetration Veldheer was getting in the middle which i didnt see with Satele.
Really opened up some holes in the run game, not as good in pass protection from what i could tell but positive all round.
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here." - Al Davis
I'm not sure the sack on Cambpell was Veldheer's fault; I saw the blitz come through Carlisle
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 29, 2010 2:39 AM PDT up reply actions
hmm that was the play i was thinking of
now I have to go find tape
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here." - Al Davis
It was all Henderson...seriously it looked like he didn't even try to block.
Cable Bumaye! Raiders Bumaye!
that was the other sack, LaBoys. We were discussing Pat Willis' sack.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 29, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I totally agree with you on that,
I was particularly watch Veldheer on one play just to see how he was doing, and I was surprised to see him stuff up the NT and start pushing him back!!!
by americaneagle510 on Aug 29, 2010 8:19 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Remember...Saints 45, Raiders 7
That was the result of last year’s pivotal 3rd preseason game, which was supposed to be an indicator of what would come in the regular season. Well, it obviously was and with Saturday night’s game result, the Raiders are leaps and bounds ahead of the dismal showing against the Saints.
It seems clear, that while many areas of the current Raider team could use some improvement, the Raiders are just, “solid offensive line” play away from having a very good team.
Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.
agreed on that front. The Raiders barely losing to a sure-fire playoff team with a more than likely top-5 defense, I will take that. Especially since some of the errors that lead to the loss can be fixed, full playbooks weren’t used at all, and Seymour was sitting out.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
Even in the weak division, I don't see the niners as a sure fire playoff team
especially with Smith at the helm. The D will be top five, however. Too many questions with Smith, imo.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
I don't have many ??? about Smith
He looked extremely solid against a good Raiders D, and he carved up Minnesota last week as well.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
your right there is no sure thing in football
that being said if i had to lay my money on who would win that division my money goes with SF even if they win by default. which team would u lay your money on in that division?
smith is not the only player on that offense their key weapon gore had how many runs for how many yards
In Indy but back in Cali tomorrow on contract until at least November, finally I get to go see some Raider games!!!
Ok, lets face it, reality is this, the Silver & Black are finally on their way to being contenders again, maybe not this season, however, the recipe is there. Talent is now obvious and we are a young team, rookies and 3rd year players make up a big part of our roster…I look to see vast improvement once we open the playbook, and Hue Jackson has a playbook, that is indeed a fact. The game last night is a clear indication of our improvement, however, we still have areas to improve in. Hopefully, the stinger will not impair J-Soup’s ability to play in the near future and we can begin the process of regaining our winning ways…Yes, that is my new moniker for Jason Campbell, J-Soup…lol Gotta love the Raiders!!!!
by Rodney Sacramento on Aug 29, 2010 4:22 AM PDT reply actions
RoMac's height is wrong
He is between 6’3" and 6’4".
If you have not learned from your mistakes, you are doomed to repeat them.
LT
just goes to show you that one play impacts the game. Mario got beat plain and simple, that was his man. We’re going to run out of QBs if we can’t sort out that spot. Not sold on super Mario.
any word on cambells injury?
is he ok or????
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Aug 29, 2010 7:54 AM PDT reply actions
Bush with a broken thumb?
That really really really sux! I would say that takes him out till early-mid October in terms of being a ball carrying threat. Ok Bennett it is. I like the guy and he has shown he can hit the holes, has some speed and wants the ball. As for McBroken well lets see……… Grad is a great leader I would hope his determination and confidence is not over looked by the coaching staff and sits solidly at #2 until needed or wanted for #1. Sometimes these things take time to play out to their positive end.
When you least expect it there I am waiting below to take you out......if your lucky.
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 29, 2010 8:12 AM PDT reply actions
fuck
this is not good….especially for a rb thats fumble prone to begin with.
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Aug 29, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Break your thumb
and then tell me how long it takes you to grab a football correctly
When you least expect it there I am waiting below to take you out......if your lucky.
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 29, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Done it before and kept playing, but I never even attempted playing the Offensive side of the ball. I think he’ll be out a week or two. Not a month and half though.
True knowledge consists in knowing that you know nothing
I repeat
try it on from his side of the ball it’s far different.
When you least expect it there I am waiting below to take you out......if your lucky.
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 29, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly. I I think he’ll be out 2 weeks out most. Maybe 3 if we’re SUPER cautious.
True knowledge consists in knowing that you know nothing
My friend
fractures take 4-6 weeks to fully recover from AND that is minimum. Also he uses his thumb far more as RB needed to squeeze the ball. This all depends as I said before if the team is telling the truth. If he has a joint capsule irritation, sprain or strain he could be back easily in 2 weeks with good treatment.
When you least expect it there I am waiting below to take you out......if your lucky.
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 29, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Cable will give a press-conference at 5
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2010/08/29/cable-conference-call-at-5-p-m/
Jerry says something about Campbell’s right wrist as well.
by Spirals galore on Aug 29, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
So you actually
fractured your thumb and kept playing? Do tell, which bone in your thumb? At the proximal, middle or distal part? was it a Simple, compound, greenstick, stress, avulsion, or spiral fracture?
When you least expect it there I am waiting below to take you out......if your lucky.
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 29, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Extra-Atricular Tranverse? I’m not sure. That’s what the Doc said. But, we wrapped it at Half and went back out. But, it was a big game and one I couldn’t miss.. I sat out a 4 practices the next week though.
True knowledge consists in knowing that you know nothing
here is a link
it has pictures of thumb fractures too:
http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/topic.cfm?topic=a00011
by Spirals galore on Aug 29, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Clean break
not bad pretty straight forward. As I said it all depends on what the Raiders will tell us that is truth about Bush and RB vs LB or DE in terms of impact on playing……….. far different.
When you least expect it there I am waiting below to take you out......if your lucky.
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 29, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Med school? You’ve kinda become the site doctor. Haha.
True knowledge consists in knowing that you know nothing
2000 hrs of
anatomy, physiology, neurology and pathology combined with treatment protocols in terms of school. 5000 hours of treatment experience in under 5 years. If I tell you what I am you will never take me seriously. I do know my business. I treat/train marathoners, duathletes, triathletes, squash, tennis players of different levels to world ranked to recreational and well every form of athlete and non athlete. I love my job and making it right usually when given ALL of the pertinent info I am awesome at making it right.
When you least expect it there I am waiting below to take you out......if your lucky.
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 29, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Defense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok from wat i saw on the game yesterday it was alot of good and a lot of bad from our defense. first, the good the raiders d can completly stop the passsing game wen we have our starters out there movin and wat not as for a couple bad plays in the middle(mclain) and couple of bad penatlies on nhamdi and routte for pass interference 2 drives should have been dead for the niners,but that was somethin the refs messed up on. The Runnin game D was ridiculous no one was wrappin up everyone was just tryin to lay wood out there, dont get me wrong i love to see those nasty hits but its hard to lay wood on frank gore hes a beast he last name says it all. Michael Huff being one that should learn wrap up certain ppl cuz he cant lay out everyone on every hit i would rather have mitchell playin as our starter personally he is a solid tackler he does struggle a bit in coverage just not to the point where he would cost us touchdowns but i feel his presence would be felt in the game.
On Offense i like wat i see in the passing game except for our backup recievers who cant catch anythin to save there lives, DHB is improving you can see how defenders cover him to account for his speed,Murphy is the shit,wen schillens gets back hes a threat for sure, higgins i seen him since hes college days at UTEP he was a beast but ever since the nfl he hasnt really done much except punt return i give him as this is his last yr to do somethin, Ford is a rookie that can make a impact hes got decent hands and just as fast as DHB, everyone else i dont see doin much at all. THe Runnin Game is good with Bush But with his broken thumb idk wat to expect from the others, DMC cant break any tackles and cant run through the middle hes better off switching to a reciever or if we had a sort of wildcat offense at times he could be used cuz we cant just become a passing team we need the run to keep the defense honest.
Our quaterback situation is good we have campbell who can lead the offense greatly he jus needs time to develop a relationship with the recievers, GRadkowski is awesome he can drop them in there easily he has the relationship with our receivers as well i would love to have him as our starter but we got campbell for a reason and campbell adds that extra threat to take off and run for at least a first down but we wil see how it goes either quarterback can win for us but if the o-line dont shape it doesnt matter who we have as quarterback cuz you cant throw the ball if your on ur back.
All and all im ready for a new season to start and see wat the raiders have to offer back to the fans weve been loyal for yrs. i think they can at least give us a 8-8 season.
GGGGOOOOOOOOOOOO RRAAAAAIIIIIIIIDDDDEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Shadow Soldier on Aug 29, 2010 10:16 AM PDT reply actions
Offensive woes aside, for we were going against a top notch Defense (which also impacted our punt and kickreturn game)
Our Defense is a cause for concern. SFs Offense just isn’t all that, they have a great TE who didn’t play last night, a fine running back – Gore (who touches the ball twice and racks up 58 yards!) and some other guys. My issue with our Defense is exactly 1/2 of what it was last year – where both our DL and Linebacking were deficient and unworthy of respect. We addressed the D-Line, starting with Wauffle, Houston, Big-John and moving Big-Dick to the interior.
Our starting Linebackers, however, though different in personnel from what we had last season at this time (Wimbley, McClain, Scott replacing Sam Williams, Kirk Morrison and Thomas Howard), are looking eerily like those same Linebackers we either traded or demoted). I don’t know how much Mike Haluchak, Raiders LB Coach, is responsible for our LB play – last year and this. Whether the scheme being used is to the credit of Marshall or Haluchak, it is often wrong w/ regard to the 2nd row. Unless we’re blitzing, (Dallas, Chicago) and on the offensive (that’s when it’s working) we are reactionary and late in the middle. McClains is a very good tackler but too often puts himself in the wrong place. Wimbley isn’t tackling so well – which is hard to forgive in a linebacker. Trevor Scott is struggling to shed blocks and get to the ball before help arrives.
If there is free competition on this team (which I seriously doubt) then Goethel should be seeing more time and Thomas Howard too b/c both of them have shown me more game awareness than our starters over the past 3 weeks.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 29, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I like the idea of Goethel and Howard
and believed we would see Howard no doubt against certain teams with fast TEs and big receivers that create matchup problems for slower lbs and smaller dbs.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
good and bad an sometimes ugly
their passing game lacked 2 of their starting players crabby tree and davis . have to believe they would have made some difference in the game if they played. our running defense still scares me the most i know seymour didnt play ( what were we ranked against the run last year when he did) gore tore us up . and where is the inmprovement in our LBs man all we did there is change the names. on the bright side i feel alot bettefr aboutr r offense . ven though bush went down
I must be hallucinating on high grade acid
DHB actually made a couple plays, including a nice catch bewteen 2 defenders
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Aug 29, 2010 10:39 AM PDT reply actions
Either one can lead and lead well - we have two starter-grade QBs. So if you want to feel warm and fuzzy then steer the
conversation to QBing. But, if you’re not afraid to look in the mirror and see your weakness – then we’ll discuss our Linebacking.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 29, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
and our LT and RG situation
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 29, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
lol
Is there much point discussing LB and OL now, when all the moves that are going to be made this year have probably already been done? We got what we got. A whole new crew of starting LBs which are going to have to pull the load this year. They either get it done or they don’t. As for the OL, we got two new rookies who are probably not ready to be starters yet. They didn’t make any trades in that department so we are more or less stuck with the same line as last year, just a new OL coach.
Seems like Campbell is only really good on the first drive of the game, and then he falters.
Veldheer must & will be on that line - either at C or LT or RT. It then comes down to arrainging what we have in
the best way possible. Veldheer at LT, Gallery at LG, Satele at Center (and make a play for Hartwig), Walker at RG and Mario at RT (for obvious reasons). That’s all we can do now.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 29, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
no debate should be necessary.
Cambell is a proven nfl qb. Gradkowski is not.
If the Raiders felt he was the man they wouldnt have traded for Cambell. I assume the Raiders know more about evaluating talent than we do.
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Aug 29, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
You like to forget the circumstances of Campbell's acquisition. I'll help you - Grad tore his pad in late March and we
acquired Campbell a few days later. I’m glad we have two NFL starter-quality QBs. Grad will continue to impress those capable of receiving impressions (i.e. learning).
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 29, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
blands
I had a feeling you would say that Blanda. I hear ya on the injury take. Not sure I agree though. I think we had the opportunity to get a proven qb and jumped at it.
I like Grads but I dont think he is the second coming. IMO Raider fans have been watching such horrible qb play since Gannon got hit by Brooks that we are easily impressed. The offense def had a bounce in their step when he came in last year. But I believe that was more a fact of Jamarcus being on the bench then Grads.
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Aug 29, 2010 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions
What about last night. He didn't come in for a loser, on the contrary, and he was rightfully cheered for an objectively
good performance. Grads just good, get used to hearing it.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 29, 2010 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
blanda
fair nough, good point.
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Aug 29, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
He is good. But, Campbell is better. And we’re also really lucky to have such a talented QB as out back-up.
True knowledge consists in knowing that you know nothing
It's wonderful to be free of qb anxieties
If I say I like them both equally, but in a different way, would you promise not to assume that I hate Jason and want him off the starting position?
by Spirals galore on Aug 29, 2010 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Not at all. I wouldn’t care who’s starting. Jason or Bruce. Although honestly, I’m pulling for Jason more now cause I want Al to look smart with the trade and all.
True knowledge consists in knowing that you know nothing
you have a heart of gold:)
And I for Bruce, because he saved Tom’s job last year (I think).
by Spirals galore on Aug 30, 2010 6:38 AM PDT up reply actions
You think correct
When you least expect it there I am waiting below to take you out......if your lucky.
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 30, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
QB ratings last night:
bq.Grad …………..158.3
Cool Blood …113.0
Alex Smith …..105.7
source: NFL.COM
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 29, 2010 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
nfl starter quality?
on half the nfl teams out there these guys would be the number 2 QB no questions about that . sure thier a step up from j -russ the bust. but lets try to put the bar a little higher. we’ve been on the bottom so long that the middle of the road looks good to us. is it an improvement yes how many more wins does it amount 2 1 maybe 2 at least that what the odds maker have it at
You needed to read further; it's okay, I understand
Grad will continue to impress those capable of receiving impressions (i.e. learning).
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 3, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
He was proven
With a strong bunch of receivers, and a reliable running game, albeit an OL as bad as ours. Now’s he’s going to have to work with what Grad had to. THEN we will see the real comparison.
Rat go watch the film, there is a difference, just because a guy hasn't started/played his whole carrer like the other
QB doesn’t mean he’s automatically the shit. The other QB can be a late bloomer, or a guy coming fresh out of college can certainly outplay a vet QB whether he was undrafted or drafted in the 1st round.. Again, Go watch the film. “No debate necessary” my ass.
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I want the guy who gives us the most chance to win to start. Let’s just hope for your sake Gradkowski stops outplaying JC for your argument to be correct. You will be wrong, making yourself look silly with such dissmisive statements.
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JC will play better than Grads next year, I believe we should groom him, he is certainly overloaded right now with the many playbooks he had to remember, he’s in a new system yet again, plus why didn’t gradkowski get sacked twice like JC did, because he’s more adept to our lame line because he is short and quick on his feet unlike JC. Plus Chemistry. Will Campbell throw good accurate passes trusting the WR will run the correct route like when Grads hit Murphy in stride while running? It’s not easy to hit a fast moving target.
The RaiderLaker
jaw
1) Cambell is not the shit, he is average in my opinion.
2) the film ive seen on grads is not impressive. throwing a lame duck pass that murphy made a great play on 15 seconds after he threw a shit pass that my mom would have intercepted. cowboy game, not so much. nice bengal game, but again murphy did most of the heavy lifting.
3) tampa bay and clev both had zero at qb and threw him to the curb. remeber that tampa coach? pretty good qb talent evalutor.
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Aug 29, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
you history majors like to argue from a wide perspecive. Okay, put your Grad chronology on a timeline and
see how it looks – it’s about where someone is NOW not how they were 3 years ago.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 29, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Blanda
I agree w/ your point.
I simply believe (as do the raiders) Cambell is better than Gradkowski today. Thats it.
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Aug 30, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
That Tampa coach did the cheap West Coast offense. Gradkowski and Campbell are not fit for that BS.
McNabb is struggling in that offense. Lets hope our offense is more simple for Campbell and easier for him to let loose. Cleveland were blind and had scholarships for other QB’s and plus he hadn’t bloomed yet. He was only there a year no?
The RaiderLaker
If by lame ducks you mean were the-ball-is-supossed-to-be-thrown-and-let-the-WR-catch, it then ok.
Campbell doesn’t anticipate and trust the WR’s like Gradkowski, I have noticed. He throws the ball right at them hard when they are stationary or running. But if he sees there is a coverage guy near them he won’t pass it to them which pisses me off. He will then pass it to someone closer either Miller or the RB for a checkdown.
The RaiderLaker
The WR isn't the only one who should learn the their routes.
I think this is why Gradkowski has been successful. The Qb should know where they are going not just wait for them to get open. Campbell is overloaded, he can’t get every detail this quickly.
The RaiderLaker
cheap west coast offense?
I dont think your football iq is very high if your calling the west coast offense “cheap”. Gruden and Gannon ran the “cheap” west coast offense, remeber those 2 guys? The 2 guys that had the only siginificant several year run of success in the past 25 or so years w/ the Raiders. Ask 49er fans if they think that “cheap” offense worked when they won a couple superbowls with it.
Gradkowski is not fit for the w/c offense? Wtf are you talking about? He is a nimble, weak armed qb. He is prob best suited for a the w/c offense style syestem.
“Lame duck” was the steeler game…
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Aug 30, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
For certain QB's it is "cheap" for others it is grand. (like Gannon)
Not all are fit for that shit.
*But you are right, I don’t know what i’m talking about, my football IQ sucks, and every QB is fit for that marvelous offense called the West Coast offense………….
The RaiderLaker
in my opinion
we did exactly what i was hoping for.
for some reason i really wanted for us to NOT win this game, but have a good showing
i didnt want us to win because remember last time we went 4-0 in the preseason, we went 2-14 in reg season. so i was kinda hoping for a loss here, simply out of skepticism.
but i did get what i had hoped for. a good show, some good defensive play, but most of all, the offense putting points on the board. and oh my god dhb making a catch. someone go buy the devil some snow shoes
Our STs and Linebacker performances must have made your night.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 29, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
well i didnt exactly get to watch the game
but i saw grad put up big numbers which must mean the line held him upright long enough, thats a big concern of ours.
defensively, like i said i can only see so far the highlights that they put up on NFL network, which is mostly offensive. i know gore put up that big run but after that i dont think he did that well, for the short time he was on, our secondary might have lacked… but at least we forced enough stoppage to where we could have our offense catch up to them. how many drives ended in punts for them? i know they had at least one field goal
by S.D. Raider on Aug 29, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Gore had two carries for 58 yards - I don't want to think about his getting 20 touches against us in October if our LBs
continue as they are and Marshall doesn’t change his DC thinking.
Our STs (especially punt defense) stank up the field. S.F returned 3 punts for 116 yards / Oakland returned 3 punts for 13 yards,
Our LBs were weak,
Half our receivers forgot how to catch a football,
And our LT and RG are dangerous and lame.
On the bright side, we have a good Center (finally), a good LG, 2 good QBs, an excellent D-Line, good Safeties and good/fair CBs, good Punter and Kicker, several serviceable receivers (especially, Zach, Louis and (finally) DHB,
the Offensive Playcalling is better – except when McFadden is in.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 29, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
good point son
that is one of my biggest worries is the LB. man they didnt look to good. u cant stop the run means a long season.
I kind of agree in a way
Only because though that loosing in the pre-season, hopefully means that the players will look at film A LOT more than they would have if they had won.
Yesterday, we saw them with bad tackling, and run defense. I hope this “open’s their eyes” more to what their weaknesses are. I’m glad it happened in pre-season.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Well, Mario disspointed me. Not that worried about it though. We all make mistakes, his mistake was just a BIG one. I hope he bounces back.
DHB was what I expected him to be.- Good. I hope he went home, poured himself a drink and put a finger up to all the haters.
Injuries. J-Soup and Bush are fine. I wouldn’t worry about it.
True knowledge consists in knowing that you know nothing
Soup is what some of us have been calling Bruce Campbell for weeks. Jason's nic isn't determined though I've started
referring to him as Cool Blood b/c he’s a cool dude who looks like Captain Blood
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 29, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
JaKe - what's the matter with you?
These guys were injured. Let’s hope they recover nicely. But one has to consider all options, while hoping for the best. Head first into the sand isn’t the way to go.
by Spirals galore on Aug 29, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
As I said to him
“Break your thumb then tell me how long it takes to grab a football correctly”
When you least expect it there I am waiting below to take you out......if your lucky.
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 29, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, I saw your response to him.
I just don’t get the attitude, especially coming from JaKe.
by Spirals galore on Aug 29, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
We all have days
that are up and down. Right now I am about to send my GF to collect unemployment insurance on the relationship line if she doesn’t smarten up. Then again tomorrow I may love her like never before. We all have mood moments. Or a thought process that will change how we react to things.
When you least expect it there I am waiting below to take you out......if your lucky.
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 29, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
You are wise for your years. And the power that can fire can also rehire.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 29, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha
I am far better at firing it seems
When you least expect it there I am waiting below to take you out......if your lucky.
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 29, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
No attitude. Just that broken thumbs can be overcome now a days. I’m not sure on which hand it’s on, but I can’t see it taking almost two months to recover from. And stingers are really common. They’re probably just being caustious with Soup ‘cause he’s our QB and it’s only preseason.
True knowledge consists in knowing that you know nothing
WTF? guys... do you guys see freaking Kobe Bryant crying about broken fingers?
He plays basketball, meaning you will use your hands to dribble the basketball, and shoot it into that small hoop. Bush will not do that, he just needs to use his other arm and vioala! He’s fine…
The RaiderLaker
Henderson is still the starter in my eyes, no way I want Deer there after the Peppers "sack".
And it happened twice. I prefer Henderson. He’s fit to block the big DE’s. Laboy was quick and white like Trev Scott that’s why he got the sack. He’s no Peppers or Mario Williams, or Freeney.
The RaiderLaker
Please tell me you didn’t just bring race into it..What the fuck, dude!?
True knowledge consists in knowing that you know nothing
I kid, meant to say out of nowhere like Scott. He's no Jared Allen...
there, better comparison… Schobel? When you get a questionaire that states fill in your race, do you find it offensive? Didn’t mean to diss a race, just tried to compare.
The RaiderLaker
Yeah sure
its just that simple………..NOT! If Kobe had 300-250lbs monsters tackling him head on (multiples guys) he would not be holding onto that dribble.
When you least expect it there I am waiting below to take you out......if your lucky.
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Aug 30, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
The biggest problem with your argument is...
… that you are attempting to belittle McLain’s performance by comparing him to his predecessor and not backing it up with anything substantial to show that you have a notion of what you are talking about. You don’t show any aptitude to understanding defensive alignments, blocking schemes, assignments, angle of pursuit or anything football-related. Your argument is based on a few plays where he didn’t arrive at the ball carrier fast enough to satisfy your claim that is not an upgrade to the MLB position. Anyone can say that on any successful play against a defense without using the word adjacent and I doubt you know anything substantial about gap coverage to really speak about it.
I think you want McLain to fail so you can say you called it.
He’s not going to fail. He’s a rookie, he’s learning and he’s going to prove your pompous windbag inaccuracies as the stuff of an amateur.
Doubt it, the guy who did bring the Kirk argument and pissed me off was "Mr. Elik." Some other poster.
Sons didn’t bring the McClain = Morrison argument like the other dumass. He is a rook and Sons said he looked like Morr in some instances. Unless I read wrong…
The RaiderLaker
Jagger Jaw - Al's Wingman nurtures unnatural hatred for Sons
He always distorts what Sons says and then trashes the straw man he wants to present as Son’s argument. In my opinion, his presence on this blog is poisonous. Unless he he learns to respect those he disagrees with, he should be banned.
by Spirals galore on Aug 29, 2010 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I've explained my point in as clear terms as possible
no strawman whatsoever. Sons’ argument (comparison of McLain to Morrison) is dismantled and you just don’t like reading it.
by Al's Wingman on Aug 29, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Pray explain
…you are attempting to belittle McLain’s performance by comparing him to his predecessor and not backing it up with anything substantial to show that you have a notion of what you are talking about.
What did you take as Sons’ belittling McLain (whose name you insist on misspelling)? Also, what makes you believe he doesn’t know what he is talking about? Be specific and detailed.
You don’t show any aptitude to understanding defensive alignments, blocking schemes, assignments, angle of pursuit or anything football-related.
Again – unless you provide specific evidence, your claim hangs.
Your argument is based on a few plays where he didn’t arrive at the ball carrier fast enough to satisfy your claim that is not an upgrade to the MLB position. Anyone can say that on any successful play against a defense without using the word adjacent and I doubt you know anything substantial about gap coverage to really speak about it.
You create a straw man – what argument are you talking about? You assume that Sons hates Rolando and add a speculation:
I think you want McLain to fail so you can say you called it.
After which you bravely lash at the fantasies in your own head:
He’s not going to fail. He’s a rookie, he’s learning and he’s going to prove your pompous windbag inaccuracies as the stuff of an amateur.
Where did Sons say Rolando is going to fail??
by Spirals galore on Aug 29, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Because I want the Raiders to succeed, I want everyone on the roster to succeed. I want our MLB, Rolando McClain
to compete with LaMarr Houston for rookie of the year. Whichever of our QBs helps our team succeed, I want him on the field. I hope this settles any doubts about my agenda – it’s not about individual’s – it’s about the Raiders Domination and if I become (what seems to some) too impressed or too critical or any player its only b/c I believe they can get me what I want – Raider Domination.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
I'm totally with you here.
"You're all like big fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 29, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
the Raiders are not going to dominate anyone
except bad teams so why don’t you focus on things that can hold up to scrutiny since your knowledge of football is limited. Other writers here have some sort of niche. Your appears to be latitude to wave the foam finger and toss out inaccuracies as well as poor judgement of good players (Richard Seymour as an example).
Your use of statistics to support fictitious arguments would be laughable but you mock the very team you allegedly support by doing so.
by Al's Wingman on Aug 29, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I think I am beginning to see where you are coming from
You think that criticism is an expression of hatred and disagreements are automatically fights. Has it occurred to you that such is not the case with most people here and everywhere else? Don’t take your demons everywhere you go.
by Spirals galore on Aug 29, 2010 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions
With regard to how are MLB is being employed by Marshal, or, in the alternative, chooses to position himself
Case in point: Last night, RB Frank Gore was S.F.s biggest weapon and threat (with TE Vernon Davis out). One would expect that a MLB would be assigned or stay at home – in the middle btw the DTs in at home and back a few feet to be able to track that key weapon and also see the QB (ideally his eyes). Did we see that happen? Did we see peculiar peek-a-boo MLB movements darting btw DT & DE (yes, we did) and sure enough we saw the RB break btw DT & DE on the opposite side. What form of Russian roulette is this? Whosoever’s hairball tactic this is should be corrected – even if its Field Marshall Marshall himself. That’s one example of LB mismanagement.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 29, 2010 10:31 PM PDT reply actions
On second thought, that tactic is worse than Russian roulette - which is a form of chance whereas the MLB committing himself
to one side against a RB like Gore (not to mention what happens if we are doing it against CJ at Tennessee) can be game planned and the play is hard wired to go away from our overload (no duh). For any who don’t understand this, it’s okay, I don’t despise you for dullness of mind, just as I don’t despise a dog who cannot do long division or a cow that cannot play a musical instrument.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 29, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I live on the east coast and NFL re-aired it at 11pm EST so I was able to see only up to the middle second quarter and will watch the rest after I get off from work. From what I saw, Michael Huff is horrible!!! The guy can’t cover and can’t tackle. He seems to be either out of place to make a tackle or too late to get break up a pass. Darren McFadden is being used wrongly. He was in a wildcat offense and flourish in running it so why the Raiders don’t use him for that. It has already been proven that he cannot run the ball. I saw Antonio Bryant has been cut by the Bengas. The Raiders should go get him since they screwed up in not getting Terrell Owens. We finally get a good QB and it appears the guy will not last half the season. JaMarcus probably acted the way he did to keep from playing is because he wants to be healthy enough to be able to spend all of the money he stole.
I want him as RB reciever or WR, he's not an real RB. This isn't college, it's the NFL, and his weak ankles fall down too much.
He’s got great hands and good speed to run a route, lets put that skill to good use.
The RaiderLaker
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