Bring Back Fargas!
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 1, 2010 12:36 PM PDT
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With Michael Bush out of action for a few weeks after having surgery Monday for a very messed up thumb – the worst type of thumb break, Bennett fracture, and with the Donkys releasing Justin Fargas coincidentally on Monday, it seems fated and proper that Huggy Bear should be brought back and re-enshrined in Silver & Black.
Last year Justin carried the ball 129 times for 491 yds averaging 3.8/carry and caught 17 averaging 6.6 yds. In all those carries Fargus fumbled once. His carrier rushing average is 4.1 and as most people know, he is as game as anyone.
With Bennett, McFadden and Fargas in our backfield, we won't suffer much let-down from Michael's absence because trusty no. 25 has made yards behind worse lines than our present one and would be the best blocking back on the roster.
Let's do this today!
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While this "could" happen...
There’s a reason why the Raiders cut Fargas so early in the offseason (not because of money), why it took so long for Fargas to sign on with the Donkeys, (this after tryouts with several teams) and then why the Donkeys finally cut him. I love Fargas, but I don’t think he has it anymore, else he would better employment luck.
Bush will not go on the IR, so they will have to carry him on the roster, so if Fargas is brought in, who is going to lose their spot on the team to make room fro Fargas? Keeping in mind that we will have to carry the inactive Schillens for a few weeks as well.
Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.
Justin can BLOCK which this team truly needs, he's dependable, predictable, and we Tonga or Cartwright can make room
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 1, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Tonga and Cartwright
will probably be cut anyway, with Tonga to the practice squad and don’t forget that we will still probably keep Lawton, who will be dead weight for the first 2 weeks as well.
Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.
....it's rdiculous cause after Lawtons suspension he'll continue to be dead weight for the next 14 weeks.
Cable Bumaye! Raiders Bumaye!
I hear ya,
but this team likes him for some reason.
Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.
Reece has won the FB job. Fargas replaces Bush for awhile. Then with Bennett and McFadden we're set
Justin isn’t burned out yet, never saw that last year, and he was fit enough to go through training in Denver. I like him better than Rock (I don’t dislike Rock but he’s not exceptional – Fargas, Murph, Zach, Grad, Howard, Goethel, Asom1 … these guys have fire and inspirational value that benefit the whole team.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 1, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I would imagine it has something to do with his knee.
He had knee surgery earlier this year and my guess is, it just isn’t progressing fast enough for a team to invest in him this season (or ever again).
I’ve always enjoyed watching Fargas play though and wish him the best.
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I love the guy
BUT he is not a true viable answer. He is worn out and injury prone. We have Bennett to fall back on and he seems to be able to run between the tackles.
When you least expect it there I am waiting below to take you out......if your lucky.
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Sep 1, 2010 12:55 PM PDT reply actions
I like Fargas
but I don’t think he has anything left in the tank. Even if we brought him in here until Bush was ready, he eventually be cut again, and I wouldn’t like to see that happen to Fargas. The guy plays his ass off, even beyond what his body was capable of, and that’s why he’s never been healthy enough to last. Looking at how beat up running backs get during their career is one reason I don’t want to see an 18 game season.
Bow down, when you're Westwood bound.
Yes! He always played Denver tough and now he would be even more inspired
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 1, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
I agree, Justin – even though not the best RB ever – always ran with such heart and determination, that just his presence in the locker room would be a pick me up.
I like to believe my best HITS border on Felonious ASSAULT
-Jack Tatum
Sons..................................... No.................................
He has nothing left… “he can block” my ass he has no legs now and is way too concussed. A hit is amplified by 3 times when he is hit.
Do you wish an early death upon him? Just let him be, let him be healthy also.
The RaiderLaker
Once more for the Raiders, once more into the breach!
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 1, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
In peace there’s nothing so becomes a man
As modest stillness and humility:
But when the blast of war blows in our ears,
Then imitate the action of the Huggy Bear
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 1, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
Was kind of thinking the same thing. Fargas deserves better than to have to run again behind this lousy O-Line. They haven’t given him good blocks in years. And you’d think run blocking would be easier than pass blocking but apparently not for this unit.
I say bring him back. So far Cartwright has shown me nothing of him deserving a roster spot. He’s worse than Fargas. I don’t care if he’s versatile. Running backs need to be able to run the ball and he can’t.
At least fargas can get 2 or 3 yards, Cartwright gets that in negative fashion. Fargas would be welcomed back by me. A stable of backs like Bush, McFadden, Fargas, and Bennett would be very nice. Bennett can back up D-Mac due to speed, while Fargas’s between the tackle style suits a Michael Bush backup.
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Let us not forget, Fargas pushed his way in to all time Raider backs last year in yardage
While sorely lacking in the TD department, I believe there are other factors to blame. I say get him; I love what Fargas brings to the team. He’s a Raider through and through, and shells out punishment as much as he takes it.
My fear is, he wouldn’t pass the medicals right now with the banged up knee. I hope it’s not as bad as I believe it is, then it should be a go without question.
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
If Bush misses a game or 2, then I think we'll be fine with Bennett doing spot duty.
He’s having a really nice preseason with 144 yards on 29 carris for a 5.0 average . I know that’s been against 2nd and 3rd team defenses mainly, but he is solid enough.
by duballers23 on Sep 1, 2010 3:10 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Carrier?
How about a vote for, "No, love him to death, give MB and DMC the work load.
"We've got to start listening to coach Belichick...we've got the best coach of all time. He's got the answers."
-Tom Brady, May 10/10
MB is incapacitated. He won't be ready to play at 100% for several weeks and McBirdlegs doesn't run up the middle
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 1, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Michael Bennet would more than suffice as a bandaid for the time being.
Rock is just an average utility knife, (nice to have them bring in a face or two for Campbell) But how about we worry more about Center, then LT? Without the words, Mawae, Veldeer at center..past this year?
"We've got to start listening to coach Belichick...we've got the best coach of all time. He's got the answers."
-Tom Brady, May 10/10
There are many concerns, if they put Veld at LT then I'd worry about Center ... and if they put Veld at Center then great
… but then I’ll continue being worried about LT.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 1, 2010 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Going through the offseason we knew there were lots of holes on the O-line to keep us concerned
I think they helped by bringing in Campbell & Veld, but seemed like they put too much stock in Satele maintaining the Center position. I have felt for a while that much of the offensive line’s struggles over the past few years can be traced back to the lack of a dominant center since Robbins went TJ on us.
Bow down, when you're Westwood bound.
Would you date an ex-girlfriend ? Then don't bring him back !!
How many times have you thought about getting back with an ex only to find out the hot sexy slut you once loved is tore up from the floor up !! Fargas was a Bad Ass in his time and I too loved him ; but , Let it go . We are moving in the right direction . Let’s keep going forward and not back. I say grab Larry Johnson when the Foreskins release him !! Use him until Bush is ready !!
Yeah, I suppose a former squaw with psych problems is better than a Raider who failed a physical 9 months ago
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 1, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
100% until you said Larry Johnson
Huggy will always be welcome back working some way with the Raiders
"We've got to start listening to coach Belichick...we've got the best coach of all time. He's got the answers."
-Tom Brady, May 10/10
nice booty!
"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew
i dont think
id like one of my ex girlfriends to comeback… i know her qualities, i know her tendencies, and i know her faults… now, why would i want fargas back?
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
because you are curious as to whether the gf can fire you up again
Gf’s have this amzing power – ask Dr Lyle.
by Spirals galore on Sep 1, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions
No
I didn’t want to vote, and my vote is only there on account of it not letting me remove it. Justin, bless his heart, isn’t needed. He is banged up and has lost significant step. Rock isn’t better than Fargas, but he is healthy. If Fargas were to return, I would much rather it be as an assistant coach.
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I Say Hell Yes
Fargas would be a great backup until Bush gets back.I know this Fargas will give 100% effort when given a chance. If he would take a part time gig I say why not,he is and will always be a Raider.
I think I'd rather the Raiders watch the waiver wire for a good blocking FB
cut Lawton and make due with the backs they got. His loss of blocking is what worries me the most.
Thought is cheap.
I Say NO Except For An Opportunity...
Get him in and pick his brain about the "Mulehead"s “O”-n-“D” for prep when we meet…Fargas was good to us but he doesnt know how to make anyone miss and takes too much punishment…His time is past….
How about Derrick Ward
Recently released by the Tampa Bay Bucs, he could be a nice spell back for Bush. McFadden sucks lol, let’s just convert him to a slot receiver or something lol.
McFadden sucks? No, you're over-reaching, your thinking is really short sighted
Darren is 6’2 and weighs around 215, he’s go the same build as AP and I would say his explosiveness is slightly better off the ball than AP. He holds virtually every rushing record in Arkansas history, is second only to Hershcel Walker in SEC rushing. The problem has been that the Raiders do not use the kinds of formations or have the right personnel so far, to allow Run DMC to maximize his potential.
His Intel is quite unique, being able to absorb instructions quickly and then execute those instructions. His field of vision is in the needs improvement category, other than the odd hesitation and/or dropped passes, he’s a complete running back as there is in the league.
I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum
by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 2, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
McFadden hasn't proven he can run between the tackles
Look I know he’s got a ton of potential but do NOT compare him to AP…. What he did in college doesn’t mean anything now. Jamarcus was a good enough college player to be #1 overall and he sucks too.
McFadden needs to add some strength in his lower body if he wants to be a productive runner in the NFL. He too often takes a tap in the legs and goes down much too easily. He’s great out the backfield and in space. He’s essentially a less explosive Reggie Bush.
RUN DMC is going to make it, with the Raiders or with another team, if so, it's the Raiders
loss.
You’ll find in a few years, the comparisons between those two running backs is completely, fluidly apt.
I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum
by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 3, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I think ..
You’re thinking with your heart, instead of using common sense .. Fargas will always be loved by us Raider fans, but his time is done. I believe Bennet/Cartwright will be sufficient back ups .. And will probably contribute more than Fargas can at this point.
Hardcore Raiders Fans are 5150 .. (iBleedSilverNBlack)
by RaiderCreator5150 on Sep 2, 2010 6:46 AM PDT reply actions
McBroken carried 7 times for 9 yards, Cartwright 3 for 11 yards, Bush 7 for 21 yds and, yes, Bennett did have 2 carries for 12
So my opinion isn’t only based on heart – Fargas’s average ypc was better than 3 of our 4 RBs .
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 2, 2010 6:56 AM PDT up reply actions
heart
is what the team needs. we need to gel, we need culture carriers, we have a spotty OL that needs supportive blockers from the RB, we need to show up every Sunday no matter, we need to stop making excuses, we need to stop being unprepared, we need to pay the price, we need to compete at a higher level. We need to win…
by raiders4liffe on Sep 2, 2010 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Fargas has an average of 1.7 .. That translates into being better than one of our RBs, who has had less carries than Fargas this preaseason (Darren McFadden). In his best game in the preaseason, he went 9 carries for 13 yards .. a 1.4 average. He was good in the past, and has had worse lines before .. You’re right about that Sons, but I don’t see him having the same ability anymore. He’s been better this preaseason than only one of our RBs though. Nothing you can point to says that he will be having a break out season at the age of 30 ..
raiders4life, I wholeheartedly agree with what you’re saying. We need to do all of that and more. But I doubt bring back Fargas will do any of it. We have many leaders already on this team, and mainly they’re on defense. The offense needs to be taken over by the QB though, and Campbell needs to step up to this task. If he can’t, I’m sure we all can agree Grad can.
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by RaiderCreator5150 on Sep 2, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
sry sons
i think its cuz hes an older back…
like a brian westbrook but only not as good as him…
hes got a godly work ethic n hes tough as nails…
but u dont run behind our oline for so long without a lil wear n tear….
i say were fine with mcfadden n bennett till bush gets back…
maybe because i like bennett a lil too much, but i think hes good
I'm surprised by the poll results
I know the polls on S&BP a lot of times are written to skew results, but still I think it’s a testament to the idea that Fargas was a throwback as a Raider who played his ass off even while the team struggled and was full of malcontents. I just wished he had the body type to match and keep his career going at a high level.
Bow down, when you're Westwood bound.
Like you, I have nothing but love for Fargas
I don’t know that you can even blame his body type. He is 30. It is the rare RB that can make it after 30. Given how hard Fargas ran when he was playing it is not surprising he can’t do it anymore. Best of luck to him. When he is ready to hang it up I’d love to see him as the Raiders RB’s coach.
Thought is cheap.
by Rich Langford on Sep 2, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Those are worthy for framing - really catches the essence of this Great Raider who did all he could with what he had
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 2, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
It really was a pleasure to watch him run.
Thought is cheap.
by Rich Langford on Sep 2, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
it may be too much of a pride issue for Fargas at this point
Al dropped him instead of paying him a million (it may have been more) that was in his contract should he be retained past a certain date. Is it coincidence he failed a physical as justifcation for letting him go? An NFL doctor can find a hundred things wrong with a player to justify durability concerns. Yet, the eagles and Saints passed on him after he underwent a tryout (and presumably a physical though I am unsure of the rules in that regard). The donkeys just used him as a pre-season stop gap measure.
It all adds up to Fargas being too much iof an injury risk and past the prime of his career. Bennett and Cartrwright earned their roster spot in camp so I don’t see them handing Fargas a spot unless they are really desperate for bodies.
100% agree that the physical was a sham and I'm on record, vociferously denouncing. it. I've seen Bennett & Cartwright
and I’d take Fargas over either one – ut would keep Bennett. Fargas is injury prone b/c he plays like its his last day on earth – I love watching him and believe he provides an intangible boost for the team. I’ll wait till Monday and see what they decide about the roster; but if bums like Eric Pears and Ricky Brown are still around it will make sicken me.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 2, 2010 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Might as well call
Charlie Garner up and see if he wants to play totwotoo! Jeezus.
Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death
I would sign him for a vet minimum mainly because McFadden is still questionable in terms of whether he can carry the load while Bush gets back.
Also Cartwright hasn’t done anything and Bennett runs well but it happens against a bunch of back ups and practive squad players so its difficult to determine whether or not he is really performing well enough to provide depth.
Cowards die many times before their deaths
The valiant never taste of death but once.
WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE, Julius Caesar
Very true. Whereas Fargas is tested against starters - recall the Dallas game last year - he was our offense through the
1st quarter, slashing through a good Cowboy DL.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 3, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
great man
but is slower to the hole now
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