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This Team Can Win Even If It Loses

A newborn is like a clean slate. It is a world of limitless possibilities and potential of expectations and hope. A blank canvas, that has not been tainted by the funk of disappointment, failure or letdowns.

The 2010 season is our newborn. Every season has its infancy, but most seasons carry with them a certain amount of carryover from the previous year.

This Raider season is different. This season has that softer than soft posterior and new car smell.

This season features lots of new and handsome faces, the lack of chubby, old ugly ones and a shiny new collective personality.

All of this positive change makes it hard not to attach lofty expectations onto this team. It is easy to see the vast improvements and then expect wins to follow. I am trying to avoid these kinds of expectations. Instead I want to focus on the growth of a young team.

This is, after all, a team with a new offensive system, a new QB, an entirely new LB corp--which features a converted DE and a rookie middle linebacker--a new Center that, when he last played a real game was a Tackle in Division II, a team that has the youngest starting WR's in the league and features seven rookies on the roster and another on the practice squad. 

This is a team attempting to change a pattern of futility that has become a way of life. A team that hasn't had back-to-back wins in over two years.  A team that was so riddled with cancer last year that, at times, completely stopped trying.

This is why my expectations and hopes are not rooted in the record, they will be measured in the distance this team places on the past. I want to see growth.

Here are my expectations:

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I expect to see

  • A team that brings it's best effort every week. A team that never again inspires these kinds of quotes from their opponents:

    There was no vibe of trying or effort from the Raiders at all from a defensive standpoint against their offense. We're getting three-and-outs. You don't hear nobody (saying), 'Hey, let's go!' trying to pick the guys up, rallying them, getting guys fired up. There was nothing. It was quiet. A guy gets sacked or somebody gets beat, they just get up. It's not like there's yelling or no kind of (emotion) about the way they were playing.

    I do not like knocking teams. But right now, they're struggling. We're playing that game the other day and, honestly, it felt like a scrimmage, like a practice. It felt like we were going against our offense (in a controlled setting) as far as the tempo. It was shocking to be out there in that game and get that kind of feeling.--Antonio Pierce 

  • Defensive improvement in awareness and discipline. I imagine there will be some rough spots. Some residue of yard hemorrhaging, but as the year goes, I want an opponents big play to become more of an oddity that a regularity. 
  • A defense, by the end of the year, that is a legitimate NFL run defense.
  • The rookies progressing. Most importantly, I want to know by the end of the year that Rolando McClain is going to be the answer at MLB for years to come.
  • Veldheer to improve every game. I want to see flashes of him being physically dominant, while learining the tricks of the trade. I want to see a ripple effect on the whole line as Veldheer's play improves.
  • DHB to show he is a legit NFL WR. I want the rate of growth, that he has shown this off-season, to continue in the season. I want to see that he can make a mistake and bounce back and by the end of the year, I want to know that he is a threat.
  • A team that at the end of the year, no team in the NFL looks forward to playing. I want the Raiders to form an identity of a hard hitting defensive team that you may be able to knock over but never out.
  • I expect this team's kickers to stop sucking! (Just seeing if you are still paying attention.)
  • Most importantly, I expect to see a team that is better at the end of the year than it is at the start. A team that makes all the Raiders jokes a thing of the past. A team that shuts up that fat-ass Warren Sapp and has people calling in to tell him to eat shit about all his anti Al Davis quotes. Actually, I want to be one of those people that calls in to tell him to eat shit. 

These are my expectations for our newborn. I have thousands of hopes and an improved record is among them, but I am not going to expect it.

If this team meets these all of these expectations, I will consider this season a raging success no matter what the record is. It will then be the '11 season (if there is one) that I will begin to put expectations on the record.

After all, this is the squad that is trying to resurrect a dead franchise.

The dead are newborn awakening

with ravaged limbs and wet souls--Jim Morrison

A touch dramatic, perhaps, but I love that quote.

So Nation, those are my expectations for this team. What are yours?

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What I'm expecting

is to see a team that plays inspired football like the 1998-99 Raider team under Jon Gruden. Those teams went 8-8 after years in the abyss and played with a lot of heart and desire, even though they were lacking in talent in some areas. That was the beginning of the turn around for the team they became from 2000-2002.

I am expecting Zach Miller to be an All-Pro and Louis Murphy to be a budding star in the making. I expect a top 10 defense overall, with the run D in the top15. I expect that the offensive line play will be the Raiders’ Achilles heel again this season and that will be the reason for the difference between an 8-8 season and a 10-6 season.

Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.

by TheRaiderWay on Sep 10, 2010 1:24 AM PDT reply actions  

Great comparison to the 98-99 seasons.

I remember knowing that the turnaround in 98 was more than a fluke when the Raiders almost won in GB in Week One.

If he'd just pay me what he's spending to make me stop robbing him, I'd stop robbing him.

by Rich Langford on Sep 10, 2010 1:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah and I remember very well

the last game of the 1999 season when the Raiders played in Kansas City and won it on a last second Jano field goal and knocked the Chiefs out of the playoff on their home turf. You had Gruden jumping around in the middel of the field like he was one of the Raider fans in the stands and the momentum of that game carried in to the next season’s success.

Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.

by TheRaiderWay on Sep 10, 2010 1:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

That was a great moment for seabass and the team

and this season ends in KC. How ’bout a last second game winning TD grab by DHB to complete the symmetry of our comparison? Although if Cable jumps, we might not be able to tell.

If he'd just pay me what he's spending to make me stop robbing him, I'd stop robbing him.

by Rich Langford on Sep 10, 2010 2:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I think we will be able to tell

Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.

by TheRaiderWay on Sep 10, 2010 2:23 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I literally can't stop staring at this.

Amazing…I think that may actually be a young Cable guy. “Hey Tommy! Want to go to Burgerland and donutville?”

If he'd just pay me what he's spending to make me stop robbing him, I'd stop robbing him.

by Rich Langford on Sep 10, 2010 2:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Could it be, a young Phillip Rivers???

"Think of the solution not the problem"
"Do you know who i think i'm not"

by bojackson34 on Sep 10, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

We could use this guy on our O-Line!

Look at the tenacity!!! This kid’s a beast!

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by JonDoe on Sep 10, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah...

will be there for that game, started going to that divisional game when I was 13, will turn 37 on the monday after and only missed one game through there, but as poetic as the DHB last sec grab would be, I would much rather being stopming their heads in from the opening kickoff…. ;-)

NO MERCY!

by RAIDERSNOMERCY on Sep 10, 2010 5:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

That Really Began With The "D" Under Willie Shaw...Now We Begin With The "D" Again...

Getting back our “DL” coach from that winning era is huge…He now has our “DL” playing an attack style again getting after the "QB"s….How well they do against the run will be very important…

The “D” was the 1st unit to buy in back than and again now…From that the entire team was elevated…Hue is doing a damn great job of playing off what that new “D” brings and forcing his “O” to respond even when they already know where the play is going…That’s a confidence builder for our “O”…If they could make a play even when the play is known than how much better when the “D” is just guessing….

by PantyRaider on Sep 10, 2010 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

expectations.....

we have seen improvement over all and it all started with eliminating the 500 lb. purple syrup drinking walrus as our mascot we have a whole new attitude and optimism which is great but the one thing i want to see the most this season besides bush and mcfadden dominating in the run game is Nnamdi Asomugha continuing to excell and revis sorry ass provin that he’s in no way deserving of pay anywhere near Aso’s or even mentioned in the same convo as Aso again

by papi209 on Sep 10, 2010 2:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Question: I May Just Be Misinformed But What Was The Cancer You Depicted...

“A team that was so riddled with cancer last year that, at times, completely stopped trying.”

I know that was a past issue but didn’t know it was a continued issue last season…“JePurple” was a distraction walkin around with his plastic “GlueSack” over his head but aside from that what other distractions were on this team…

by PantyRaider on Sep 10, 2010 8:07 AM PDT reply actions  

JaWalrus was a tumor and he was not benign.

If he'd just pay me what he's spending to make me stop robbing him, I'd stop robbing him.

by Rich Langford on Sep 10, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Moral victories are for losers.

I expect to win. Anything less is an unacceptable disappointment. We have the talent to compete every week. Im not looking for improvement. Im looking for wins.

 Look no further than week 1 last season against the chargers. We were the better team that night and still lost. What did that get us? Another 5-11 debacle is all.

I dont think we changed our motto to “just improve baby”. Fuck that, im over losing. You think 164 year old Al Davis wants to win now or next year, 2 years, etc? One thing I actuall agree w/ Al on is his desire to win at all costs every year.

by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Sep 10, 2010 8:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Yet Some Had The Audacity To Question His Heart...

They thought it was more important for him to win with Kiffin than on that gridiron…The real stupidity here was it was still about winning and winning is everything to that man as well it should be…

At this point I fully believe he has once again assembled a winning squad of coaches n players…But we will know more about that come Sunday….

by PantyRaider on Sep 10, 2010 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just win, baby...?

Al has not lived by that motto for some time, ignoring glaring needs for making crapshoot picks, in case they pan out and he can say ‘suck it!’ to the media. Why didn’t he sign Tony Washington, if the point is to ‘just win’? PR? Here was a guy rated higher than Veldheer, and as more ready than Campbell, and not a single team in the NFL has even talked to him, even the one that has made it part of their image to take those who others are afraid to gamble on.

“Just win, baby” is part of the golden past, and not the present.

Yeah, some good moves have been made, but there are still plenty of boneheaded ones too…

Failure builds character; success reveals it

by signcut on Sep 10, 2010 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

signcut

i disagree with Al’s direction, ego maniacal attitude, picks, f/a signings, not hiring a gm, legit hc, etc in trying to achieve success. However, our goal is parallel. To win. Obviously a sane individual would have picked a different path to the goal. But again, the end of day expectation is success.

by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Sep 10, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

True dat

Failure builds character; success reveals it

by signcut on Sep 10, 2010 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Al has done anything..I thing he’s finally given up control

True knowledge consists in knowing that you know nothing

by JaKe. on Sep 10, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

not really Jake. But we can still win regardless.

The man-to-man shows that. He’s probably given the staff more leeway though, loosened up on some things. There are quite a few philosophies he still abides by like man 90% of the time.

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 10, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

As far as the off-season, he hasn’t had as much control as he’s had in previous years.

True knowledge consists in knowing that you know nothing

by JaKe. on Sep 10, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nobody does everything right...We all makes mistakes...

If you look at our draft picks this season and the players we brought in they fit the Al Davis mold fairly well…Size/Speed/Athletic/Versitle and converting players from position to position is nothing new in OakTown…The difference this season is instead of filling the voids at speciality positions it was the front 7 on “D” n “OL” that got the 1st attention…After which we went for the fastest “WR” in the draft and the fastest “DB” in the draft…The 2 "OT"s both scored high in combine test…Campbell was the fastest but Vald was the only “OL” player to score in the top 10 of every combine test…Very much an Al Davis Draft…

This season it also appears Al is listening to his coaches and trying to fill their desires…The "LB"s n “DL” help definitely fit a model the coaches are after…Versatile and possible Hybrid….Interchangeable Parts which will translate to rested personal an a variety of packages…Now let’s not forget it was an Al Davis team under Madden/Flores that played a 3-4 scheme and later under The"Rat" Shanahan that played a Hybrid 3-4/4-3 w substitution at will….

Al has let Cable overturn this roster and start a new…He gave us a young core of speciality players and now adds the men in the trenches…He brought in the seasoned veteran help many of whom were high draft picks from other teams…He brought us 2 capable "QB"s and a 3rd that I’m just not sure about…I would rather have Colt…Most importantly he gave us our new “OC” and brought back our “DL” coach from our last winning seasons along with a player from that era as “LB” coach…

The pie is not yet complete…Questions at “WR” still exist as do possible "DB"s needs…Our Nnamdi is getting longer in the tooth…“OL” is a work in progress with unknowns…But I like what I see and I’m more than willing to give credit to the “OldMan” for not giving up and opening the door again for more “HC” turnover…

by PantyRaider on Sep 10, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is truth there, BUT...

At the same time, you cannot gloss over the fact that the reason that we are digging out of such a deep hole is the same man that you are praising for making some moves to fix the gawdawful mess he put us in.

YEARS of terrible drafts.

YEARS of poor FA signings.

Not many top-shelf coaches even willing to consider the job, nor top assistants.

Salary cap hell to deal with, because of the aforementioned FA’s.

I said before that I will give credit, but I ain’t blind, and I won’t just pretend all that other crap isn’t part and parcel of why Al seems to have ceded some control, or at least started listening to someone other than his pet yes-men.

Failure builds character; success reveals it

by signcut on Sep 10, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Duly Noted Mistakes Were Mad...Shooting From The Hip Was No Longer Working..

I think it took time for the “OldMan” to realize he couldn’t just reload that roster and go out and compete anymore…The whole thing needed to be tore down and rebuilt…In the interim he resigned Shell II with his “Bread-n-Breakfast” armchair “QB” and dug a deeper hole…After “Lance” it became a pit that we fell down in without escape in sight…

That’s when change started taking place…"FA"s were let go who were cancerous and their replacements were of much higher quality…The process slowed way down and more input was brought into the “Think Tank”…A “HC” was given authority to clean house and rid us of “JePurple” n his plastic “GlueSack”…New “OC” was acquired who had never run a “Bread-n-Breakfast”…Old “DL” coach returned as well as an old player from his era as “LB” coach…Draft targeted needs in the trenches and we are where we are today…

by PantyRaider on Sep 10, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

It went back a lot farther than that

The decline started some 20 years ago, but was continued to be ignored while a few good FA signings were made to cover the growing problem that the OL has been becoming. Al has never thought much of drafting OL, and has only done it a few times. Other than that, he has consistently relied on signing FA’s; unfortunately, quality FA OL have become rarer and rarer, and yet Al has continued to believe that a signing or two could fix everything.

Of course, those signings consisted of skill players, and not many of them have worked out either. A growing problem became a gaping hole, and was left to fester, and has only been addressed recently.

Now, on the other hand, Al seems to have stopped reaching so much on early picks, which led to a sold draft this year. Whether it was his wallet, or a lack of season ticket sales, or the continuing embarassing records of the team, I have no idea, but I’m glad that Al seems to have changed courses…

Failure builds character; success reveals it

by signcut on Sep 11, 2010 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

the combine shows who is the most athletic.

Al understands you cant teach ability and he simply figures that he can make these kids understand the game. A great way to draft as far as i see it.

And Posey is having amother great game.
You're the worst Al Capone

by JohnnyDangerously on Sep 11, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shortsighted way to draft today

There have been any number of top athletes that have flopped badly at this level, and any number of ‘draft steals’ of players that weren’t the best athletes, but tremendous players. Top drafts create top teams, and we haven’t had either for some time…

Failure builds character; success reveals it

by signcut on Sep 11, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's a narrow definition of "most athletic" we've discussed before - raw speed and strength may

or may not be convertible to playing football. Give me players with the best football ability over the best combine stats.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 11, 2010 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

i like the way al drafts

you cant tell how a player is going to play out of college because it is such a big change and jump. you can infer but the experts get it wrong a lot of the time as well, possibly more often then not they are wrong. and speed and all these other combine test show how much more althetic the players are, and the rest of the football know how can be taught, because everyone can learn, for the most part.

And Posey is having amother great game.
You're the worst Al Capone

by JohnnyDangerously on Sep 11, 2010 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

players around the talent, and coaching can effect the talent

And Posey is having amother great game.
You're the worst Al Capone

by JohnnyDangerously on Sep 11, 2010 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just because you said talent

You know what my sig says to talent? lol

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 11, 2010 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Take RBs as an example - some instinctively know when and where to cut and when to pause

before accelerating, this is a football talent. Or QBs, that aren’t tall or have strong arms but know the game and can size it up instantly to exploit weaknesses – again, this isn’t raw measurable talent but talent nonetheless – football talent. Or, defensive players that are slower or smaller but have an innate sense for the ball; this is football talent. I prefer 22 guys with pure football talent to 22 combine stars.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2010 2:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

And losing is not 'unacceptable'

If that is the case, then only one team, and that wasn’t the Raiders, has EVER had an ‘acceptable’ season…

Not caring about losing is unacceptable.

There is a distinct difference.

Failure builds character; success reveals it

by signcut on Sep 10, 2010 8:48 AM PDT reply actions  

My expectations?

This team has had double-digit losses for how many years? To think that they will suddenly turn everything around isn’t very logical to me, but I do believe that they are certainly capable of changing the course of their recent state of affairs. I have predicted 8-8, and still stand by that, but that doesn’t mean that there aren’t things that I expect to improve, even if the record doesn’t hit that spot:

1. Playcalling. To put it plainly, Cable sucked the chrome off a trailer hitch as an OC last year, directly leading to a number of losses. I expect to see some sort of coherence in the game plans, and in the playcalling, to try to take advantage of the talents of the offense, and to minimize the weaknesses. Without it, we will again be at the bottom of the barrel offensively.

2. Better OL play. Not to say that they need to be dominating the LOS (although I’d love to see that, I don’t see the physical ability right now), but to have fewer dumbass penalties, fewer blown assignments, less penetration resulting in negative plays. Even average line play could make a huge difference in the offense, which will only help the defense as well.

3. Better execution on special teams. The blocking last year was crappy, to put it mildly; ST returns are built on blocking, nobody busts a big one without it. SOMEONE needs to put a foot up players’ asses, or light a fire, or something, because it ain’t getting done, and on a team with as many question marks as this one has, special teams could be even more important.

4. Improvement over the season, especially by young players. With all the ‘potential’, if they aren’t improving, then they aren’t being coached. If they aren’t being coached, then heads need to roll.

5. Fewer mental mistakes, on both sides of the ball. There will always be mental mistakes, that is a human thing. But this team can cut them in half, and still be behind such teams as New England and Indianapolis. Are their players just smarter? Please… they may just be better coached, and if that is a/the problem, then it needs to be addressed. Less mistakes means better play, and better play is what ‘improving’ is all about.

Failure builds character; success reveals it

by signcut on Sep 10, 2010 9:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Good article and discussion

One more thing I’d like to see (along with an 8-8 season) is NFL teams once again afraid to come play in the Coliseum. Not just because of fear of the fans, but fear for how the Raiders play there.

@WorldBLee

by worldblee on Sep 10, 2010 9:24 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't like the fact that when a dude breaks off a big run (Forte run) or big pass the D looks

disillusioned and it seems as if they dwell on it. You have to get mad and pump up everybody. I saw dwelling by McClain, that is not the energy I want.
This upcoming game I want him to ‘Bama speech in the locker room. That’ll pump them up, Even while in-game.

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 10, 2010 10:36 AM PDT reply actions  

I want Oakland to be the team who brings back dominance through a smash mouth D and a powerful Run game.

True knowledge consists in knowing that you know nothing

by JaKe. on Sep 10, 2010 11:02 AM PDT reply actions  

The offensive line play

shall dictate a vote on the Cable guy’s fate. It is too obvious we are weak on the ol and that is his ‘baby.’ i.e. so goes the OL, so goes TC!. Moral victories are marked into the “win” columns. If we kick ass and play smart enthusiastically; there shall be no reason to acquiesce on any front. RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Realtooreal on Sep 10, 2010 11:06 AM PDT reply actions  

seriously though

if we dont go .500 whats the difference this year and the years before?

Success is not measuredby what you accomplish, but by the opposition you have encountered, and the courage with which you have maintained the struggle against overwhelming odds...
-Orison Swett Marden

by NYraider29 on Sep 10, 2010 11:29 AM PDT reply actions  

We should be explosive on offense.

Very good on D###..

I expect,want,need us to not just break even,but to win atleast 9 games.Our schedule is not that hard.

I DEMAND IT DAMN IT ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

"Think of the solution not the problem"
"Do you know who i think i'm not"

by bojackson34 on Sep 10, 2010 12:46 PM PDT reply actions  

My Expectations for the Silver and Black have to be

1. A Defense that strikes fear into opposing teams. Run Defense is still a concern for me, but the D can only get better game to game. I’m waiting to see DeathRo get comfortable at the LB position and grow as the next great Raider defensive leader. I don’t expect us to fare Top 10 in Run D, but we should be top 10 or even top 5 in Pass D. I’m also intrigued to see Mike Mitchell develop and shut up the critics of this pick.

2. A newfound passing game that allows us to be a balanced attack on the ground and through the air. Campbell is a stability at the QB position the likes we haven’t seen since the Gannon era. I’m expecting great things from him, and I want to see him become the 2010 Gannon-esque player we need.

3. Plain and simple, Veldheer to become the Anchor of this offensive line, and Gallery to become the veteran leader and mentor this line needs.

4. DHB and Mcfadden to become who we thought they were (very Dennis Green-like) when we drafted them. To become the playmakers that we need on this team.

The past 7 years for me have been a sense of optimism at the beginning, but when the season ended a sense of lurking in the abyss. This season seems different to me, and I’m loving it!

RRRRRRAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIDDDDDDEEEEERRRRRSSSSSS!!!!!!!

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-Jack Tatum

by DarksideJU08 on Sep 10, 2010 1:46 PM PDT reply actions  

To DarksideJU08, it sounds as though you want Mitchell to develop just because you want to justify Al's pick.

I am hoping this team figures out all the pieces no matter how they get it done. I am pleased to see DHB looks to be somewhat improved. He did have a drop but so did Murphy and Miller in the same game this preseason so I am not going to flame him. Also it is preseason so its not a big deal. I honestly don’t care what the combination it is that ends up figuring this out even if we make the playoffs with Rock Cartwright if Bush and McFadden both go down injured. I just want to see this team win again because I honestly am sick of these past seven years and hopefully THIS is the year that we dig ourselves out of this whole. I said 8-8 previously however if Campbell is the starter the entire season and we don’t improve our special teams then I would expect 7-9 to be the realistic goal. I wouldn’t want Cable fired only because Al won’t hire somebody to replace him that will change the culture of the franchise and instill his own mark on the team. We will be stuck with another lackey and have to start from scratch all over again. At least Cable gives us continuity and a coach who fires up his players on any given Sunday.

Cowards die many times before their deaths
The valiant never taste of death but once.
WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE, Julius Caesar

by TAW on Sep 10, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

then again, even at 7-9, it would depend on how the games were played. If STs consistently suck or D can't handle the

rush or the line can’t generate 1st downs – any of those scenarios not being progressively improved will not save Cable’s, Fassell’s and Marshall’s asses.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 10, 2010 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we do all this, then what’s stopping us from reaching 8 wins?

True knowledge consists in knowing that you know nothing

by JaKe. on Sep 10, 2010 2:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Good point, Jake

Likely nothing, but say these things happening combined with a slow start and some tough heart-breaking losses or say Mario’s lousiness gets two QB’s injured again this year and they end up with 6 or 7 wins.

If he'd just pay me what he's spending to make me stop robbing him, I'd stop robbing him.

by Rich Langford on Sep 10, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry for not explaining why we would end up 7-9 if this happens.

Obviously I said if our special teams remains as lousy as its been this preseason we won’t sniff 8-8. Returns in special teams and non-existent special teams on the opposing side are pretty much hand in hand with winning the turnover battle. Also if Campbell is the starter the entire season then this team will be mediocre. Gradkowski has found his team and his stride. If he finishes the season then I can see us winning 8+ games and only then. I still don’t trust Campbell. Also remember a few years ago when Kiffin debuted? Everyone was expecting the team to be improved because the offense wasn’t run by some geezer running a bed & breakfast in the middle of nowhere so they figured “hey the defense was already solid so we should be gravy”. Remember what happened? We proceeded to go 4-12 starting with a shalacking in the home opener against Detroit. If these guys aren’t ready and don’t have a leader on the field to fire them then we may be looking at 0-2 after the Rams game. We can’t chalk up a win against anybody after 7 seasons of 5-11 and we need somebody to light a fire in this team and this fan base’s ass to make sure we’re always ready to execute. I think Grad gives the best chance. Hence if Campbell is the starter then I project 7-9 possibly.

Cowards die many times before their deaths
The valiant never taste of death but once.
WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE, Julius Caesar

by TAW on Sep 10, 2010 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

The B&B coach, was that Fassell? I see Grad coming in after Campbell bogs to reignite the O. If we're flexible, and use

our QBs in rotation like we’re using DEs and DTs. Until, perhaps, Grad assumes his rightful spot at the helm of this team.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 10, 2010 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

just don’t use Grad on Madden…. they made him sucky… at least on my game he is LOL

reppin the raiders from vallejo!!!

by Steve5215 on Sep 11, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

This poses a great question...

would I rather the Pats never made the playoffs or that the Raiders destroyed them in it?

If he'd just pay me what he's spending to make me stop robbing him, I'd stop robbing him.

by Rich Langford on Sep 10, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had this discussion the other night

and came to the conclusion that Boston is my least favorite sports town. If the Pats lost every game from now until forever that would be just fine with me.

If he'd just pay me what he's spending to make me stop robbing him, I'd stop robbing him.

by Rich Langford on Sep 10, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ummmm... so we can get romped 42-7, like last time?

I would rather see the Jets, or 49ers, Miami, or Pitt in the playoffs if we make it. Last time we played very good playoff teams we got destroyed by the Saints, Patriots, Jets(Russel’s fault and kirk’s, Sanchez had a fluke game also), Ravens, Falcons, Minnesota, Giants.

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 10, 2010 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed...I'd be surprised if either made it to the playoffs this year.

If he'd just pay me what he's spending to make me stop robbing him, I'd stop robbing him.

by Rich Langford on Sep 10, 2010 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Made a big mistake. Obviously we can't see NFC teams unless it's the Super Bowl. lol

It will be all AFC matchups, and the NFC their own teams matchup. Some I mentioned sure are NFC teams, Im not sure but fuck’em it’s all about Raider football and I give a damn about other teams.
;)

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 11, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

.500 is a reasonable goal

I’d have to guess anything less than 7 wins and Cable will be replaced.

Too much emphasis on Veldheer. I’m giving him lots of wiggle room and don’t expect him to be sucessful right away. But, he is the best option right now at center.

The best move for the defense could very well be the last one they made picking up Jay Alford. He is a beast, better than Henderson (I expect him to get dropped) so we’re really loaded along the D front and at LB. shit, ths secondary is looking pretty solid too. The only serious weakness is of course Routt who I expect to get targeted by offenses every time he is in the game. Theh again so would chris johnson.

The offense is the problem.

by Al's Wingman on Sep 10, 2010 6:08 PM PDT reply actions  

reasonable "outcome" but not "a reasonable goal" ... if a team shoosts for .500 they are Losers

As for weaknesses on D – the LBs are suspect, based on preseason.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 10, 2010 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

what's wrong with the LBs?

Can’t argue with Wimbley. That’s an upgrade. Just have to hope he stays healthy. McLain is on a learning curve but he’s better than Morrison. Meaning, he won’t get boxed off. He’ll make plays. Groves is stillout to jury but we have somne options for depth. I would not mind seeing Howard getting another shot at wil. The guy can fly if he gets off his blocks.

The D line is looking impressive except for Kelly but his lard ass at least takes up space.

by Al's Wingman on Sep 10, 2010 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

LBs are consistently out of position, especially MLB. Groves gets consistently beat in coverage but is close enough to

make immediate tackle. All three are susceptible to skirmishes, i.e. getting caught-up in the mano-a-mano with blockers instead of keeping free / getting directly to the ball. McClain has to stay at home and guard the middle, his mincing and prancing at the line is worse than ineffective – it’s dangerous and dumb – and hasn’t paid off more than once when he almost sacked Alex Smith. I don’t know if it’s his idea or Marshall’s but it’s wrong headed.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 10, 2010 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you kidding?? I think Cable will be replaced mid-season - no, quarter of a season out - unless we do really well

John Madden recently said when he was a coach he gave at least 5 years to his players to mature. We start them right away. Madden hired veteran offensive lineman Bob Brown in 1971 to mentor the offensive line – do we have anyone like that now? I don’t think so. I am honored to know Mr. Brown personally, and I must say – he’s the epitome of a smart warrior. Speak of intelligent fire – that’s Bob Brown for you. He’s too smart and he has a very clear vision of what’s wrong with the Raiders’ offense – maybe that’s why Al doesn’t hire him?

by Spirals galore on Sep 10, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's a post Sons made a while ago about Bob Brown

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2010/3/12/1369970/raiders-need-ot-in-the-mold-of-bob
man, I wish we had someone like him right now – an experienced and fierce, and pain-resistant OT that can inspire the rookies into Hall-of-famedom.

by Spirals galore on Sep 10, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wanna see our ends

and LB’s close on the run.

I want our DT’s to make it impossible in the middle.

I wanna see some side to side range from our MLB.

I wanna see some Mitchell hits on the #1 RB in the league.

by xville on Sep 10, 2010 6:31 PM PDT reply actions  

First of all I think we should focus in this coming sunday because games have to be played to get records!!!

I’m so hyped up about the titans game!!! Anyways I want to see smash mouth defense and we will see our offense pull it’s self together with hue heading the reigns. I also couldnt find the post where we were told to find a way to slow down CJ2K, my suggestions is put mitchell on him exclusively and make a couple good hits and injure him or at least give him alligator arms!!! Don’t trash me for saying that I want CJ injured but that’s the type of defense I want!!!!! Smash mouth jack tatum style!!!!!

by americaneagle510 on Sep 10, 2010 7:56 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Better still, Asom1, or Tyvon at least, should be dedicated to CJ whose over half their offense. If we have enough faith in our CBs

and the pressure our OL will place on VY, then this is the single best defensive strategy we could have. But, let’s see what John Marshall does.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 10, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

i dont really care who they put on him but i want at least two big hits on him,

this would take him mentally out of the game and thats what we want!!!! The Titans are so dependent on CJ that if starts to falter because of mental mistakes the titans are going to self destruct. VY can’t do any thing if we shut down CJ and get continuous pressure on him, and while were at how about some roughing him up too(saints and Favre style like in the NFC game)!! Like Tatum said," if the receiver is thinking about then he cant be thinking about the ball at the same time." and thats exactly what we need for our defense to lay the wood on the titans defense and take ’em out of the game mentally smash mouth style!!!!

by americaneagle510 on Sep 10, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Noon, I swear you're a brother from the west coast...

…that Muse track is off the hook. Found a live set before Absolution went ape-shit on the charts and love what they were doing and what they’ve done. A band that deserves to be on top like they are, even if there music went commercial after Absolution went viral.

Hope Death’s Double Nickel (DeathRo) is doing well as I haven’t had the time to keep an eye on him and the Silver and Black.

It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.

And the roses in this grand ol' stadium are once again Crimson. - Eli Gold, CTSN Broadcast of the BCS Championship Game at the Rose Bowl, 1-7-2010

by AlabamaJammer on Sep 10, 2010 8:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Couldn't agree with you more about Muse on all points there Jammer.

Ro has hardly played. He’s been solid. He took himself out of position on a few plays and the D gave up some big runs. It was a little alarming, since it looked eerily like the LB he is replacing, but the dude is a rookie.

He looks big, fast and sure at tackling. I can’t wait to see how he looks by the end of the season.

I am sure you’ll enjoy your Bama season. They looked stacked.

If he'd just pay me what he's spending to make me stop robbing him, I'd stop robbing him.

by Rich Langford on Sep 10, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am in the small minority here thinking the preseason was a ruse.

Scott will be starting at LOLB but Groves will play some ILB next to him and Ro. The front 3 will be the rookie Houston, Kelly at NT and Seymour at 3 tech-end where he has been at his best. Look for Scott and Wimbley to rotate with Shaunessey on 3rd down at end and rush 4 on occasion but also having Mitchell in on some looks as a 4th LB and blitzing hard from the slot or middle and hopefully mixing in some zone to confuse VY. I didn’t even drink that much when I thought of this. If we do this we have a good shot of winning this game against a Jeff Fisher coached team that rarely is unpredictable. They are a solid team but can be figured out regularly.

Cowards die many times before their deaths
The valiant never taste of death but once.
WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE, Julius Caesar

by TAW on Sep 11, 2010 8:54 AM PDT reply actions  

a 7 - 9 season is not a failed season

progression is progression and the team still has a way to go.

And Posey is having amother great game.
You're the worst Al Capone

by JohnnyDangerously on Sep 11, 2010 12:14 PM PDT reply actions  

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