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Week 1 Game Recap: Oakland Raiders 13, Tennessee Titans 38

The Oakland Raiders kicked off the season taking on the Tennessee Titans on the road. There's not a whole lot of pregame storylines other than offseason activity and the preseason with this being the season-opening game and with this being the first NFL Sunday of 17. There was plenty to talk about after this game, though, and it's not really good stuff. Hit the jump for the ugly details.

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Quarter Breakdowns

First Quarter: The season got off to a terrible start for the Raiders. Wide receiver Yamon Figurs, who won the starting return job in the preseason despite fumbling once, fumbled on his first return of the season. Fortunately for Oakland, the team covered. The first drive, however, was more bad stuff. After failing to pick up a first down, Shane Lechler booted the ball to Tennessee. The Titans moved into Oakland territory, but their initial drive was stopped when quarterback Vince Young fumbled thanks to linebacker Kamerion Wimbley and defensive lineman Richard Seymour recovered the football. On Oakland's second drive, it was more of the same ineptitude offensively although running back Darren McFadden broke off a decent run. Still, the team moved backwards with penalties and a bad snap. After Jason Campbell was sacked for a second time, the Titans' rookie defensive end Derrick Morgan was whistled for going below the knees and the drive lived. Sebastian Janikowski missed from 39 yards out, but an offsides penalty gave him another chance and he did not miss a second time. The Titans got the ball back and fed the best running back in football Chris Johnson a few times for only about a yard. On a big third down, cornerback Stanford Routt was torched and it wasn't on a first down. Young uncorked a deep ball and wide receiver Nate Washington hauled it in and took it the distance. Tennessee's offense wouldn't be on the sidelines for long, unfortunately. On the next series, left tackle Mario Henderson stood there like a statue and Campbell was hit in no time and lost the ball. The Titans fell on the football and kicked a field goal thanks to Rob Bironas to take a 10-3 lead as the Raiders continued to stuff Johnson. The quarter ends with the Raiders faced with a fourth down and needing one yard at their own 44 yard line.

Second Quarter: The second quarter began with Tennessee taking over after another nice Lechler boot. After moving into Oakland territory, the Titans were forced to punt it back to Oakland. The Raiders started their drive in side the 10 and did absolutely nothing with it as they gained four yards on a pair of rushes before another Lechler boot. The Titans converted on a few third downs on their drive which was capped off by a touchdown by backup running back Javon Ringer, the former Michigan State standout. After more ineptitude and a pathetic display of offense, Chris Johnson goes crazy for a 76-yard  touchdown run after being quieted all day. The offense woke up a bit with the Titans playing a soft coverage. McFadden was the beneficiary and the only person who had done anything up to that point. The drive stalled and head coach Tom Cable refused to go for it so Janikowski trotted out there and hit the field from 30 yards out. That took us to halftime which couldn't have come at a better time with the Titans holding a 24-6 lead.

Third Quarter: The quarter began with Tennessee receiving the kickoff since they deferred after winning the coin toss. A face mask penalty gave the Titans even better field position. The Raiders held Johnson to -4 yards on that drive and forced a punt. Oakland began the drive just inside the 20 and the Raiders converted on their first third down of the day thanks to a Jason Campbell run. On the drive, the Raiders moved throughout the air a few times after that. Figurs' second catch made him the leading receiver up to that point and Campbell found tight end Zach Miller over the middle for a huge gain of 26 yards into Tennessee territory. That's all the drive had for the Raiders, sadly. Another yard wasn't gained and Janikowski couldn't connect from 53 yards out. Tennessee took over and marched into the end zone. On the next Oakland drive, an interception by Chris Hope set up the Titans inside the five and the quarter concluded a play later.

Fourth Quarter: The quarter opened with Vince Young hooking up with tight end Bo Scaife for a touchdown and, in case you haven't realized yet, the blowout was on. Down 38-6 and looking for a touchdown, the Raiders drove deep into Tennessee territory behind McFadden, running back Michael Bennett (who also drew a 15-yard facemask penalty) and Miller. Oakland moved in on a touchdown reception by McFadden and then The Titans went three-and-out to give the ball back to the Raiders with 8:26 remaining in the game. Once again, the Raiders drove deep into Tennessee territory; however, this time, Oakland couldn't get into the end zone as the Titans earned a stop on fourth down. Getting the ball back, the Raiders were stopped on fourth yet again. That did it as Tennessee ran out the rest of the clock.

Report Card

Pass Offense: "F" - It started out as a nightmare and that continued for basically the whole game. The offensive line was terrible and Jason Campbell didn't really demonstrate pocket presence even early on before getting rattled due to the pass rush. Later on, though, things looked better even though it didn't really matter. Simply put, it failed and it failed miserably.

Rush Offense: "A-" - The Raiders combined for a 5.4 yards per carry average led by McFadden's 95 yards on just 18 carries. The rush offense was great today, but it didn't matter considering the score and how things were going offensively through the air. Overall, though, they did a great job without Michael Bush out there.

Pass Defense: "D" - Vince Young picked apart the defense going 13-for-17 from the air. Stanford Routt was burned by Nate Washington for a long touchdown. Young threw it wherever he wanted to and had success all day even though he didn't even need to throw it all to get a win today.

Rush Defense: "B" - Chris Johnson had 142 yards, but he only had 66 yards on 26 carries if you take away that 76-yard touchdown run. Javon Ringer and Vince Young had their way when they wanted to, though, despite Johnson really being bottled up by an improved run defense.

Special Teams: "C" - Shane Lechler was awesome. Sebastian Janikowski wasn't good. Yamon Figurs fumbled. The return coverage was pretty solid. Overall, I saw it as an average performance. There's really not much else to add to the special teams today.

Some Additional Thoughts and Tidbits

Putting the obvious behind us, this is still only one game. It was a pathetic display, but still, it was only one game. I wasn't expecting a blowout loss, but I didn't predict a win here in Tennessee. We have to move forward and focus on the St. Louis Rams as they came to Oakland next week. We must incorporate Louis Murphy and Darrius Heyward-Bey into the game next week. They're going to catch more passes by default next week, but they have to get at least 10 combined and not something like two or three apiece. Rookie center Jared Veldheer looked lost, particularly when it came to snapping the ball due to numerous plain bad snaps. Basically, his inexperience really showed. Left tackle Mario Henderson was also awful. On the play that resulted in Campbell fumbling, Henderson didn't even move when the ball was snapped. Offensive lineman Khalif Barnes played quite a bit lined up at tight end, but that proved ineffective against Tennessee's pass rush. Understandably so, Campbell was rattled all game and especially when the Titans had already gotten to him. Basically, to sum it up in one sentence, just please beat the Rams next week at home. Just please beat the Rams next week at home.

Poll
Who was the player of the game for the Oakland Raiders in this game?
Shane Lechler: 4 punts, 54.8 average, 1 punt inside 20
106 votes
Darren McFadden: 18 carries, 95 yards; 6 receptions, 55 yards, 1 TD
1028 votes
Kamerion Wimbley: 5 tackles (4 solo), 1 sack, 1 forced fumble
114 votes

1248 votes | Poll has closed

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Looking at the stats, watching the play by play, and reading the comments from time to time on the game thread

As a raider fan, I WAS DISGUSTED by our offensive, AND defensive play!

We are BETTER than this! We are better than what happened today! What the FUCK happened to our OL? I know it’s not a VERY good OL in the first place, but there is NO EXCUSE for the Horrible play from them today.

McFadden, I think you did good considering what you had to work with, and the situations they put you in.

Hue should get SLAPPED in the face by a robotic tree branch. His play calling, according to comments, was ABYSMAL!

I’ll leave the rest up to you guys. _

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 1:25 PM PDT reply actions  

O line killed us

We lost because of it. I know one thing if Cable wants his job he better fix this.

by Micheal Y on Sep 12, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's what is so funny...

we are NOT better than this. Not much has changed. Same garbage product they put on the field last year… they got rid of the virus that was Russell and brought in another life long mediocre back up! They left in place the same idiots on the coaching staff… they have same group of useless WR we had last year… what MAJOR changes on D? ..On the OL?? this is just another 12 loss quality roster.. it’s best to just accept it now and move on…

by G_M on Sep 13, 2010 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You're definitely wrong about the wide receivers and the defense.

The wide receivers are very young and talented and are better than they were last year.

what MAJOR changes on D?

Rolando McClain, Lamarr Houston and Kamerion Wimbley were big additions.

"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge

by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 13, 2010 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Young and talented?

Well.. if that’s what you call talent.. .There is no talent in that WR corp. And DHB is the worst of the lot.. pure garbage.. just another in the long line of Raider draft busts that Alzheimer Al has overseen in recent years. And I don’t see how 2 unproven rookies and McClain are big additions..same results…

by G_M on Sep 13, 2010 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's one game.

Did you expect them to make the Pro Bowl and win the Super Bowl in one game?

"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge

by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 13, 2010 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

what?

i think its best if you don’t return to this site again

by Dutch J on Sep 13, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

the recap has made the sting go away a bit… but i still think the oline need work… it just reminded me of the last few years…

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by gogomaplata on Sep 12, 2010 1:32 PM PDT reply actions  

a bit generous

on the grading tho’ but i dont think id do any better

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by gogomaplata on Sep 12, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hue: No rollouts, for an occasional bomb, no play fakes, no trick plays.

McFadden can throw, he could’ve passed on a reverse run play action play for a very much needed TD or a 4th and out crucial attempt..

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 1:34 PM PDT reply actions  

JC didn't have time to throw till the game was over

Mario Henderson and Langston Walker should not be starting for this team.

Tom Cable and Hue Jacksons jobs are on the line this year.

"May the wind be at our back, here comes the Silver and Black "

by RUKidding on Sep 12, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice wrap

Player of the Game – For me it was DMAC hands down. He ran tough and behind a line that is not playing well. He missed on a reception that could have been a decent gainer but with everyone else playing so bad I’m not sure how he could not be PotG. In summery it’s easy to look good when so many looked so bad.

Grades – I think all were fair although I would not give the run D anything above an average score. I understand your reasoning behind the grade but C. Johnsons game is going down on first contact 25 runs and breaking a couple big ones. You must contain him the entire game and there were a dozen of missed tackles. The run D on Young was even worse.

"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra

by Ovale Fan on Sep 12, 2010 1:36 PM PDT reply actions  

yup for once

I’m gonna praise the guy. McFadden played liked he should always played. I hope he can keep it going.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

can someone explain to me

why the defense gives so many big runs… i understand poor tackling but is there a scheme or formations that help?

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by gogomaplata on Sep 12, 2010 1:38 PM PDT reply actions  

I think it's that Davis doesn't liek certain things

and not so much doesn’t allow it, but strongly discourages certain things.

LAst year at the Eagles game, Marshall commented he hoped he didn’t get in trouble for blitzing so much,.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because Man-to-Man is used 90% of the time.

Great teams use Zone and Man like 50-50. Others do 80-90% Zone because they have weak Secondary, but they can swarm. The good about Zone is Swarming and having help while covering a dude, but if u use Zone to much they will find your weaknesses. We need to balance it and use more blitz in order to be successful.

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Someone's schemes/philosophies are crippling this team.

I doubt Marshall and in past 7 years our other former D coordinators came here to play man 90% of the time and to seldom blitz. Open your eyes….

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

With the way we were gashed for throws,

Zone wouldn’t work either. That play where Scaife was open, that was a Cover 2 Zone.

In Bruce We Trust

by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Sep 12, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Problem is

We dont play zone when we need to and we never blitz, we need to send people to get some sort of pressure

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Our defense is going to be a good one. but,

our offense is toxic, and cannot support the defense.

Jeff Gordon would never have won a championship with Hut Strickland’s pit crew.

"May the wind be at our back, here comes the Silver and Black "

by RUKidding on Sep 12, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll assume the nascar thing is calling for improvement?

iono Nascar

But I think our running game will be good, I just hope we can protect JC

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

And, with the way the game went early,

Up until the 76 yard run, we were alright on D.

If our O-Line gave JC a chance, things would have been different.

In Bruce We Trust

by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Sep 12, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

On D, We never blitzed well, we only blitzed once with Huff and Huff totally stuffed CJ way behind-

the line. Very little Zone was used. Very little aggressive swarming in part due to Al’s man to man 90% of the time. The D-line played ok, but pass-rushing wise they sucked, run stopping wise they did ok, but Vince killed us with his legs and passing.

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 1:39 PM PDT reply actions  

both of "our" offensive tackles belong as backups or on the street

end of story. mario henderson humiliated himself out there. langston walker is too fat and slow and should be a guard. mario should be working at a wing stop as a turnstile.

by lchristmas on Sep 12, 2010 1:42 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Abhsofrigginloutly!!! +1

"May the wind be at our back, here comes the Silver and Black "

by RUKidding on Sep 12, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

if we somehow find a way to lose the home opener to the rams

say goodbye to the cable guy – and deservedly so

looks like no sellout either – zero games on local tv this year.

nice.

by lchristmas on Sep 12, 2010 1:46 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

fire cable

like yesterday

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by gogomaplata on Sep 12, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

this

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

- First off the obvious, the line has to be reworked. Bench Mario, Langston and Cooper and move Veldheer to LT, Campbell to RG and Barnes to RT. I don’t care if Bruce is not quite ready, he needs to be in. We lost cause of these guys.

- Routt was again not very good, I wonder if Jeremy Ware could step in and play. Also Huff was benched quickly, maybe Stevie Brown gets his call

- The run defense was good, they just gave up 1 big one to make it look bad. But this has to do with us never ever blitzing. Rolando played good and so did John Henderson and Seymour. Houston, Shaughnessy and Scott were quiet most of the game

- Jason when you you look at the line and his numbers actually was decent, he saved a lot of plays with his legs. I’d give him a B- , there were some on him but that happens.

- DHB and Murphy need to get open for once, there routes are not good. Please come back Chaz and Bush

- DMC was great

- Why wasn’t Jacoby in on anything? He coulda helped on special teams at least

- Miller needs to be involved early, not late in a blowout

- The playcalling on both sides sucked, Al is still involved

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 1:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed

Missed tackles and blown coverages…. Totally agree on Ware!!!

Was Janikowski awake?

Bruce C really needs playing time how much worse could he have been really,,,,
DHB – Looks more the part this year. Get him early…
Higgins – He needs to go
Figurs – He needs to go
Mitchell – Is he any worse than what we saw Huff had a miracle year is just a special teams player…
Murphy 2 huge drops…. momentum changing drops.

This was only week one. I have concerns but nothing is ever determined in week 1.
God help us if the Dubs look like this from Jump-street….

by samiam2112 on Sep 12, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Figurs wasnt bad

Higgins though, whats his purpose?

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have no clue what Higgins does.

Rather than say something totally off color…. I will refrain.
Figurs just needs to move away from special teams too many fumbles there.
Speaking of Jason Campbell did not look in charge!

by samiam2112 on Sep 12, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

His fumble was bad.

Lucky to get it back.

Don't shoot, I'm a man.

by Rusty23 on Sep 12, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pure energy killers with a team this fragile.

Just hope they have a bounce back week. This was gonna be a tough game but you have to play better than that in this league.

by samiam2112 on Sep 12, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Raiders continue to be the proverbial pile of shit from the sphincter of the football gods

like a brown, stinking soft swirl cone of stench. We stood pat with a horrible offensive line—the cornerstone of a great football team and present on every Raider team that every sniffed success—and will dig our own grave and sleep in it.

So be it. We deserve to be where we are; mediocre at best protection means lack of any semblance of the ability to “bully” your opponent. I think Hue Jackson probably knew we were proper fucked starting the season with the sorry excuse for protection we’re fielding. I hope Cable and others do too.

Thus begins another long season for our Oakland Raiders. We’ll be lucky to go .500 again.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 1:57 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

and some posters here call me negative...

i do agree with the Oline comments…

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by gogomaplata on Sep 12, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are consistent, brother Byhynno, if, perhaps, a but more instense. Our OTs are a disgrace, no doubt - and Cable has

fed us propaganda – like mushrooms in a cave – as though we didn’t know better… rather insulting of him.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

so if CJ goes for 140

what about steven jackson

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by gogomaplata on Sep 12, 2010 2:04 PM PDT reply actions  

CJ was held throughout the game except for 1 big run

I think our D is fine

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Give up big lead, give up big runs. That's just how it goes.

With no passing game, your run defense suffers.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

actually, Steven Jackson poses a different skill set that actually matches up to the Raiders advantage

Jackson is a North South runner primarily, he’s a big body that Kelly and Seymour along with Rolando that can control Jackson. I think the advantages we can use against Jackson’s skill.
Remember, Chris Johnson and Steven Jackson are about as polar opposites as you can get with RB’s.

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

bradford isnt

young but our run d is an issue

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by gogomaplata on Sep 12, 2010 2:05 PM PDT reply actions  

I actually didn't think we were that terrible...

I thought our passing offense wasn’t as bad as it seemed.

We missed a couple of touchdown throws. We just didn’t score touchdowns. Campbell missed Louis Murphy once, and a ball was tipped on another play.

Veldheer was just awful, as was langston walker and Mario Henderson.

But we knew this was going to happen. I knew a blowout could happen, although I didn’t predict.

Think about it. You’re facing a team that has basically the same personnel on offense that’s won 8 out of their last 10 games.

You have a center making his first career start, after only starting one preseason game. Not to mention he’s converted from tackle. Plus, it wasn’t a home game, so there were 80,000 fans screaming.

I though Campbell lost his composure in the second half, as did Veldheer.

McFadden was terrific. He really made me proud today, not giving up out there.

I thought the run defense played really well, other than that long run. I think the Titans started to wear us down towards the end of the third.

In short, the score should’ve been a couple touchdowns closer.

by Joshsports60 on Sep 12, 2010 2:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Rated R Superstar, are you on drugs? Giving the rush defense a B on GP

Chris Johnson had over 100 yards by halftime on only 12 carries. That’s 8 yards per rush, so what they gave up a big play of over 50 yards, that’s the stuff that can be avoided with Chris Johnson. You’re letting these guys off the hook, excuses, excuses, excuses.

I mentioned before that I knew Chris Johnson would explode against our D, that 70 yard run could have been prevented had Oakland actually had a system to run. They don’t. Admit it, they all still looked lost, hands on their hips, heads down, don’t let them off the hook because the Titans gameplan in the 2nd half took mercy. That’s right, CJ could have easily gone for 250+, please give your head a shake for that boner of a grade.

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 2:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Chris Johnson had 36 yards on 12 carries in the first half besides the 76-yard run.

He wasn’t breaking anything off. I’m not letting “these guys” off the hook. We stuffed him all day except for one run.

"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge

by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 12, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's a very lateral, glib interpretation of the Rush D, they lost the game at the line of scrimmage,

the Titans executed and the Raiders D was greatly overmatched, over 205 yards on the ground.

They deserve a D- and not a B.

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

they lost the game on the line of scrimmage

 when we were on offense

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

if you're talking about our O-Line, those problems with the protection are fixable,

throughout the game, the Titans change their defensive audibles a lot. Fixable mistakes, that could have been made between possessions and Halftime.
I wouldn’t have put Veldheer in an unnatural position, shit, I’m not on that staff. Now, if you’re complaining about the talent, you’re mistaken if you think Oakland’s line is not as talented as Titans line, personnel differences, experience are all factors.

Bottom line: Titans executed their game plan and fucked up the Raiders. We didn’t respond with adjustments, changes not even a little spitfire. It’s only week 1, I expected the Raiders to lose by a couple TD’s. Next week against the Rams will see improvement.

Have to tell it like it is: in Week 1, the Raiders went out like bitches!!!

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, that's bold

And a real stretch, to say that our OL is just as good as their DL.

Walker and Carlisle are backups or free agents on just about any other team in the NFL, Veldheer isn’t starting yet on another roster, Gallery could start for most teams, and Henderson is pedestrian.

Look at the youth of their DL, and tell me how inexperience is the problem. ONE rookie starter on the OL, no excuses. Their DL is better than our OL, and arguments against that are, IMO, trying to shine a turd.

Failure builds character; success reveals it

by signcut on Sep 12, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

RIP he averages 150 yards a week whether up against great teams or not.

We did good, stfu, look at his stats of last year. 150 yard average each against 16 teams, 16 games.

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by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

dude, even Kobe Bryant can be put in a strait-jacket, You're confused about what I'm saying,

look man, I want to see the Raiders do well, I just call it like I see it, I’ve asked you not to be disrespectful. If you want to talk to me like that, don’t, I don’t want to talk to you if you’re being disrespectful. If you don’t like what I say, do it constructively, politely, if you can’t then don’t talk to me.

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't tell him to stfu, and by the way, you can't discriminate between disrespect

and sarcasm, right, it’s called sarcasm, I don’t think it was disrespectful at all.

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well obviously you dont think it was disrespectful, since you were the one who said it..

I wasnt even involved in any of this, I’m just calling it the way that I read it. And yeah you basically were telling him to stfu without actually saying those words specifically, it is implied that he has no idea what he was talking about, because you know better than he does. And yes I understand sarcasm very well (Hell I am more sarcastic than anyone), and I understand that you do not really believe that RRS is on drugs, it just looks bad. You could have made your point just as well without saying it.

There is no A in OFFENSE!!

by wacchampions on Sep 12, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

The rhetoric of frustration

Ultimately, it’s about blame. And I blame it on Al Davis for endorsing such a mediocre square QB as Jason Campbell. Couldn’t believe my eyes. He is your typical a-grader of the most despicable, square, unimaginative kind. And Al screwed him up by endorsing him.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

The sad irony is, Al Davis had a goldeneye for talent once upon a time,

that turned him into a legend. Unfortunately for us Die Hards, he still thinks he has that eye. Meanwhile, that eye has glaucoma and needs drops before it starts to crust and it’s the blind leading the blind.

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember thinking the same thing, though not in those words

about his comments.

He seems to have this innate ability to instill ‘disappointment’ in situations and players.

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Campbell had a lot of potential, once.

And he could still have a great year or three in him. I don’t think Campbell was a big mistake at all. He won’t be good this year, but given a little time and consistency, and a chance for the new OTs to take root and supplant the lame-o SOBs you’re stuck with for now, he could become a quality Tier-2 QB.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Second-quality, no fire, no creativity.

Put Grad in. He may be second-quality, but he has the fire.

That’s why I think Al Davis is assembling a portfolio against Jason.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

But you know what you can have with Gradkowski

and it won’t make the playoffs. You can’t say that about Campbell. Campbell is strong-armed and accurate; when he’s on, he’s got more potential than any AFCW QB, though in reality he’ll never be Philip Rivers or Kyle Orton. Gradkowski is a set of impressive intangibles attached to a mediocre athlete. It’s easy to like that kind of guy as a backup, but as a team leader he’ll win a couple, lose a couple, and then get hurt.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Campbell is a set of mediocre intangibles attached to a mediocre athlete.

Please. He acted today like a goody-goody A-grader with absolutely no imagination and ability to improvise. memorizer, at best. Horrible, shameful, disgraceful.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I do believe Campbell's record in the playoffs is the same as

Grad’s isn’t it? 0-0 right?

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

No. Looking it up, but the Redskins have made the WC

in the Campbell era.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

twice I believe.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

2007.

2005, too, but Campbell was a backup.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh okay.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

They had a winning season in '08, too

But didn’t make the playoffs.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really, honestly, Campbell isn't sucky.

He’s like what Jamarcus Russell would have been if he cared. He’s almost smart enough to play the game, and if he were he would be a superstar. So he’s inconsistently quite good, if you give him a good team for support. But he can’t carry you to the playoffs on his own like Manning or Rivers.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Please - JR is in the past

Don’t even try to compare Jason with JR – it’s very humiliating for jason.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Isn't it ironic that Jamarcus' play in last years opener made Jason's look bad?

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

jason should have been replaced

That’s why I think Al is actually building a file against him. Remember Jason came in with the expectation that he was going to be the unquestined starter

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Al's building a file against him

because Al’s a bad manager, and that’s what bad managers do.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

please. Read my sig(I'll post it here too)

“I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.”- SMP

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

You've made the ultimate argument for Gradkowski, here, P

especially when you measure how Bruce instills heart in 51 other guys when he takes the field.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right on spot

Gradkowski did great with basically the same O-line against a steeler pass rush!! He is very capable, also he fires up his teammates or torches them with respect to the situation! He’s a true leader I didn’t see that same thing coming from Campbell!!
In Bruce I Trust!!!!

by americaneagle510 on Sep 13, 2010 7:35 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think after next week, if the results are the same, you can

make a case for Grad. You’re spot on, Spirals Galore, it’s about the guys in the huddle and how they respond to the Quarterback, and I didn’t see any kind of spark or desire when they got down.

Grad, at the very least, would have put up a front, even if it was a deceptive.

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

if he had brilliant vision or any kind of improv, I would

overlook his timidness, that being said, he’s not a guy who I would have confidence in slinging it around, if your not giving me any kind of rub or energy.

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

tepid at best

and what pissed me off is his ego – Grad was talking to him, and he blew him off.

ozraider was sitting close – I wonder what he has to say.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

wow.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

He blew him off, I didn't see that interplay.

That’s troublesome as pac would say

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

maybe it was unexpected...

Jason liked the OL in the pre-season. This game, the OL was probably unexpectedly BAD to him, and he wasn;t prepared for it.

Like we weren’t prepared for it either.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

have some mindfulness, you're the fucking QB

Being ready for your guy who’s watching out, sees something you don’t and you blow him off. He’s got a personality problem.

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

indeed he does(probably). Hell I would be PISSED about my performance, or about me getting sacked and hit a whole bunch of times this game.

 sometimes QBs aren’t prepared for certain things. I didn’t think the Titans had much of a defense at all.

Hell, there were games last year where a team is expected to get blown out, and the QB is supposed to have a field day, but it comes out the complete opposite. The team favored to win looses, and the QB has a bad day.

Sometimes a QB, and his team, are not prepared. it happens, and maybe it has happened to Campbell today.

But I will not make SOLID judgements until I see more of him.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's one game.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

well let's see two more weeks of play to confirm this.

because one game, even after it’s what you’ve seen before, is not a very GOOD judgment.

It gives you an IDEA, but nothing really solid. Maybe hell bounce back after this loss, and leads them to a (dominant) win next week. We don’t know.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why even continue with the kabuki dancej - our OT's

are bad and Jason Cambell can’t make the adjustment’s necessary to adjust. He’s not mentally quick enough to adapt to the situation. I saw JaMarcus again today – deja vu all over again. Bruce, for all his lack of God-given talent – adapts to the realities he has to work with, i.e get rid of the ball fast and get it to your best receivers.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is more used to our OL. I'm not surprised.

He is used to adapting quickly. But today… was just HORRENDOUS for our OL.

We need to see how our offense, and JC, do in the next couple or few weeks to get a solid judgement.

We CANNOT get a solid judgement out of ONE game.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

exactly. nuff said.

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see Grad start next week.

But I also would like to give Campbell at least two more games before we say anything.

1) The OL was definitely not a great help to him.

2) This is only Campbells full first game, and first year in the playbook.

3) The play calling today was not very good as far as I know. So the play-calling was not helping him.

Just want to see what happens in two more games before we make any solid decisions.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

4) The Rams are not the Titans.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

BUT

if he does bad against the rams…

you see where I’m going with this? lol

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah. If the Rams abuse him like the Titans did

you need to fire your OL and start recruiting from Pop Warner programs.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol indeed!

And if he does do good, we’ll say:

“Okay, well it looks like they may be on the right track, because they are supposed to do good against a team like the rams.” lol

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

point taken. Let's talk football.

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

cool man, cool.

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

o-line was worse than i thought they were

offensive line = F minus. They were so bad. It was impossible to throw.

i knew they were sub-standard, but that was god awful.

by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Sep 12, 2010 2:10 PM PDT reply actions  

anyone watching the

niner game?? singletary is nuts

aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR

by gogomaplata on Sep 12, 2010 2:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Well...

our O-line looked terrible but atleast our receivers refused to get open…Veld seemed okay…opened some good holes…Campell looked pretty good those few times he took off to run for his life…and I skipped church for this?! Probably my fault we lost…

by taisezvous on Sep 12, 2010 2:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Don't do it again

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

veldheer was okay? what game were you watching? he played terrible

by RyanTheRaider on Sep 12, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

im stunned

What was that? What happen to that screen pass we saw in preseason? I blame this one on the O Line coaches and the defensive coordinator. The Line is new, young and dumb! So keep it simple for them and play off their strengths. Defense… no excuses. You have the personel. Trade Huff to the Ravens for that LT. He’s always out of position. But other than him I say the defensive play calling sucked! Correct me if im wrong because I only got to see the game in like 10 min sections cause I was at work, but all I saw out there was 4-3 base D and a little Nickel.

by LaRaider on Sep 12, 2010 2:26 PM PDT reply actions  

You have credit to the Titans as well

I thought they looked really good. Yes our defense made Young look like a Pro Bowl caliber QB, but if he can connect on his passing like that more often, that offense is going to be insane. Best combination of running back and running QB in the league.

by Raaddad on Sep 12, 2010 2:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Totally

they are a good team and in their house they defended it!

by samiam2112 on Sep 12, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

"to give" credit to . . . (jeez . . . this game rattled my brain)

Anyway, let’s hope we “defend” our house as well, brother!

by Raaddad on Sep 12, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

absolutely

The Titan D played one heck of a game and Fisher had them ready to do it.
Perhaps like me, the Raider coaches underestimated the Titan D, and got our butts kicked.
I fully expected VY and CJ to play well, they’re too good not to.

by Kevin Coffman on Sep 12, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't have minded a loss

But this game, the Raiders totally disappointed and looked pathetic.
I guess I underestimated the Titan D, who just flat out manhandled us.
Sure Denver lost too, But, they looked pretty sharp and weren’t pushed all over the field like we were.
That’s what I Expected from the Raiders or want to expect from them, Be Competitive, and not get your asses handed to you.
The O Line is … Crap, I’m so disappointed in the Raider play today, I can’t even think about them right now, I expected better, maybe not a win, but better than what they left on the field.

by Kevin Coffman on Sep 12, 2010 2:33 PM PDT reply actions  

If we look bad against the Rams

I’m going to be watching the Madden version of the Raiders the rest of the year and pretend it’s the reak deal.

"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra

by Ovale Fan on Sep 12, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Good News Is:

Denver lost, The Niners are losing 14-6 at the Half in Seattle and Darren McFadden just became relevant again.

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Sep 12, 2010 2:47 PM PDT reply actions  

good news?

true denver lost. But considering the chargers are the ones to beat, who gives a shit? Our o-line is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo horrible. I cant imagine coming away from that game thinking anything is “good news”

by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Sep 12, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

yep. two Tackles would be nice.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can't be bitter all the time, look at the positives.

It’s not like we totally suck way more than our Division rivals, two of the will lose their week 1 matchup like we did. Broncos down, Chiefs coming up, the Chargers will beat them. I know we match up well with the Chargers and we will beat them this year.

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have Arian Foster

To bad he and his 43 points were on the bench

"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra

by Ovale Fan on Sep 12, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

ouch!

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here is what I learned from week 1...

The Titans are not as good as they appeared today, there defense was much better than expected and they are a good team but they are not THAT good.

The Raiders are not as bad as they appeared today. The O Line was terrible, but I dont think that any of us expected it to be good. Janikowski was not good, not sure what that was all about. It might be better that instead of losing by a field goal or something, that we loist in a blowout. It might just make our team better in the long run!

There is no A in OFFENSE!!

by wacchampions on Sep 12, 2010 2:56 PM PDT reply actions  

I think the Titans will win the AFCS.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree...

I think too, it was obvious Fisher had the Titans better prepared for us than we were for them.
I feel we were out coached as well as out played.
The Raider O line I knew wasn’t the best, but instead of OK, they reached for the worst today, and with that maybe this loss will make the team progressively better.

by Kevin Coffman on Sep 12, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

jason Campbell doesn't have the mental stamina or the improvisational skills. He's supposed to be the smartest player on the team, not the square-box conventionalist.

It was appalling to watch him today. Don’t even begin to defend him – he’s not street-smart – he is one of those worst A-graders who can’t think for himself. Put him in the Amazon jungle for a while – he may learn some survival skills, which is what we need.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 3:02 PM PDT reply actions  

im gonna give him a a bye

The o-line was so bad that i dont think its fair to assess Jason C off this game.

by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Sep 12, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

he didnt have a chance.....

Fire Mario Henderson and anyone on the coaching staff that thought he could play lt

by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Sep 12, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes, I definitely would - but I don't think Jason will be better for it.

Listen – we have a timid guy as a QB – TIMID isn’t the way to go.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

So 1 game = Bust?

Cause that is sensible

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

C'mon

Jamarcuss would have been sacked 12 times and fumbled 6
Campbell was running for his life and really didn’t ddo such a bad job avoiding pressure and looking for receivers; unfortunately, we only have one-two decent receivers who can get open and react to total O-line breakdown.

by Raaddad on Sep 12, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who cares about jamarcus

Oh yeah, Jason is a wonderful QB compared with with JR

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

+12

No one would have survived our line today. JC saved a lot of plays by running, and had some good ones. Murphy dropped a TD too

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Blocking

Blocking, blocking, blocking, blocking. It will develop as the season progresses, who here really expected them to beat Tennessee first game?

Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death

by spec on Sep 12, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Some, not me, but not like this- our offense was disgusting. Campbell is unable to adust to what he has been dealt

If Jason had a Colt or Saint line he’d be fine, but he can’t deal with the hand he’s been dealt. Grad, at least, has demonstrated that he can.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

WHat? Physically?

Now your just talking out your ass

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope. I know enough about physical injuries

as well as their impact on the mental. I think Jason is afraid of getting injured some more.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chargers fan here to cheer you up.

FWIW, those Titans are scary and designed to stop you, and you opened on the road. You do need some upgrades at OT, but they’re in the pipeline. This team is .500 material, or at least better than 5-11.

You HAVE to sweep Denver this year, though. KC is built for what you’re not good at stopping, and you’re obviously not yet ready to take on San Diego.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 3:13 PM PDT reply actions  

O_O..A CHARGERS FAN SAYING THIS.

Wow.

Yeah, prolly not…watch your run game though.

In Bruce We Trust

by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Sep 12, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Callin' it like I see it.

I have the Raiders at 7-9.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Generous. Our O line is record bad

see my above comments…

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah. That worries me about my predictions. I thought you guys would gel.

How’s Campbell developing?

I’m afraid the problem isn’t your players. I don’t know Raiders football, but somehow your OL scheming is setting your OTs up to fail. It’s the only explanation I can see. You’ve spent way too many top draft picks, acquired way too many guys with the measurables and experience, to be failing on the OL this badly.

Some of that is probably opponent. The Titans’ pass rush is very much underrated.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oops. How's BRUCE Campbell developing?

I’m hoping to see him on the field, so I can watch Shaun Philips zip by him. Then, I’ll yell, “Gimme some sugar, baby!”

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

We'll get what we expect from a fourth round developmental guy

but it does nothing for the immediate future. Experts all over the league knew Mario lacked the ability to play with the league’s premier rush. Langston Walker’s a has been. Veldheer is a rookie center, and you get what you expect there too. Cooper Carlisle plain sucks, and should be replaced with Campbell immediately, and hopefully will be, and Robert Gallery is proving a monumental waste of a pick and his position on the line with every game a little more.

I’ve seen it all offseason, and my fears were manifest today on the field with horrible play. Campbell was bad, but I place this squarely on the shoulders of the line. McFadden played well despite being wrapped up before the line of scrimmage all too often.

The one point I’ll give to all these Campbell haters is this: he definitely does nothing to inspire the other ten guys on the field. They looked completely lost and without direction; exactly opposite of what I expected from a Hue Jackson led offense.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Daaaaaaaaaaaaamn.

Um….does anybody..remember the game vs. the Cowboys last year. It was huge loss as well. And the offense wasn’t inspired as well.

HOW THE HELL did SO MANY PEOPLE turn into Campbell HATERS…..HATERS….after ONE WEEK 1 GAME?? It’s just week 1.

I also remember against Washington, who had a heavy rush, that Got Grad INJURED.

CALM THE HELL DOWN. It is NOT Campbell’s fault; it falls on the o-line, and the play-calling. Come on, he almost got MURDERED out there. And, as much as I love Grad, HE IS NOT FRAN TARKENTON. Plus, there were dropped balls.

Give it till week 4. Hear me? WEEK 4. Because judging after 1 week is idiotic.

And I have examples of why it is.

In Bruce We Trust

by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Sep 12, 2010 3:45 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

please - how did Jason turn into an unquestioned starter??

I think helthy criticism is the best that can happen fopr him. And if he’s too weak to survive it – too bad then, he’s a sissy.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Blocking

blocking, blocking, and blocking. JC can’t block for himself.

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by spec on Sep 12, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

But he can think for himself - which he doesn't seem capable of.

The QB must be – should be – the smartest player. Jason isn’t.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

No One

Can thing with the O-Line sucking THAT BAD.

In Bruce We Trust

by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Sep 12, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Grad adjusts

Listen – I was all for Jason until he started fucking up. I am not an unthinking Grad supporter, but in my view Grad is street-smart, which Jason isn’t.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Grad got INJURED

Last time we saw pressure like that. Fact.

In Bruce We Trust

by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Sep 12, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yep.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

And needed surgery

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

So did Bob Brown once, but he didn't flinch

I work out with him sometimes in the gym – he’s a beast who works through pain.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

JC’s thoughts: “Is he o-”

BAM! He gets hit.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

EXACTLY.

And let’s not forget Louis Murphy’s DROPS.

In Bruce We Trust

by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Sep 12, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can't Blame Campbell.

Because as much as he was at fault for that run that could have been a first down, with 1) all of the false starts, 2) all of the pressure, 3) the drops, I can’t fault him.

HE THREW CHECKDOWNS ALL SECOND HALF.

In Bruce We Trust

by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Sep 12, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

This I have heard, and seen on the nfl play by play.

many short yards.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

That, totwotoo

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by spec on Sep 12, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I counted several plays he had not even two seconds

before they slappped at the ball. He could’ve handled the bad snaps better, but they were bad snaps too.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

He definitely just verified all the question marks those Washington folks left us with

several times over.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

1 game

Against a legitimate championship contender team, and already this?

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by spec on Sep 12, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

If jason is strong, he'll survive it

it’s way better than patting him on the head

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

No ones patting him on the head

Were just saying its not his fault at all. What could he have done? The COACHES needed to make adjustments in personnel and strategy. Better yet, AL DAVIS needs to adjust since he’s the one not letting people adjust

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, yeah - words

trust me – there is nothing more deleterious than excuses. Put all responsibility on him and watch him flourish.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thinking won't block lineman

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

BUT THIS AIN'T HEALTHY CRITICISM!!

Y’all calling for his HEAD!! lololol

Give the guy time. Now, The O-Line, CALL FOR THEIR HEADS.

In Bruce We Trust

by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Sep 12, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

He became the starter because of his reputation as a mediocre starter for cheap.

Count your blessings. You don’t have any other mediocre starters. You have a good backup who is too small to start at the job. You have a legendary bust. You have a guy with a reputation as a mediocre starter. Take your pick. If you admit you’re wrong, you probably pack it in for the year, statistically speaking. Oh, and you probably have to fire somebody else to save face. Because you’re Al Davis.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

balancing out the unwarranted endorsement

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm just stating a fact.

That play by the O-line is UNACCEPTABLE.

In Bruce We Trust

by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Sep 12, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

No question about it.

A qb must know how to survive in the jungle.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

No QB can survive in the absence of an OL.

But your OL problems are fixable.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

werd

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by spec on Sep 12, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

again - not everything in life is perfect.

The winners adjust, and jason hadn’t convinced me yet he’s a winner.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

again

1 game. Against a solid team——did you really, really expect our beloves 5 win team to beat the Titans on opening day in Tennessee?

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by spec on Sep 12, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's one game.

Preseason doesn’t count. His career stats are ordinary. You have one bad result to go on. Chill out.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am chilling out alright

As an educator by profession though, I know that the worest thing you can do is indulge mediocrity.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Alright. But do you really think Campbell is going to read this?

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure.

Campbell’s been “on notice” his entire career. If you don’t let him establish an identity with the team, well, he won’t.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Listen - I have a lot of experience with screwed up people

who think they are doing better than they actually do. I know the signs. I don’t see them in Grad.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

But Grad is physically incapable of managing the task.

Sorry. He’s a great backup. But if you make him start, he’ll go on IR in six games or less.

Too small. Not his fault. Not a coachable problem.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

let's see it.

If he goes on IR, he goes on IR. Until then, it’s all speculation of the worst biased kind.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

No. It's knowing how to use a guy.

Darren Sproles is a great change-of-pace back. But no matter what happens, I never want to see him start.

Bruce Gradkowski can carry your team through a tough stretch if your QB goes down. But you should not want to see him start more than part of a season. He’s a fine “in case of fire” player.

My only bias here is: “small quarterbacks and bad OLs are a bad combination.” And I stand by it.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Didn't he go on the IR last year?

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right. because he lost one game.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uh yeah...

But this wasn;t a jungle. It was like space… empty, an absence of matter(or something like that).

JC couldn’t do ANYTHING. You can only scramble so much in a game. Our OL was porous throughout, Campbell needs SOME sort of blocking.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe the jungle

But were more like an Al Qaeda cave

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ayatollah al-Davis!

Looking for the next incarnation of Osama bin Madden!

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because Gradkowski is an unquestioned backup.

He’s the kind of guy you really want on your team. But if you make him start an NFL season, he’ll maybe make it to the bye round before somebody kills him.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Think so?

The Eagles started Kolb, and he not only got knocked out, he’s getting outplayed by Vick. They got themselves a full blown controversy too.

by rightnasty on Sep 12, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but Kolb is unproven.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

So is Campbell.

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by spec on Sep 12, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Campbell is a proven starter(so to speak).

He started 3 seasons, and took them to the playoffs once.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

With zero continuity

Never has he had an opportunity to settle in with a team or system. Not even in college.

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by spec on Sep 12, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

regardless, he is a proven starter, with ONE team for 3 years.

plus, he got BETTER every season with them. He took them to the playoffs in 07, and had a better season(statistically) the next two years.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Says who?

I don’t care, until I see it.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

And you will not see it after one game. It takes a few games to see what he can do with this team.

also, his stats say that he got better each year. But those are stats.

A proven starter means to start 16 games each season, and do well. He’s done well on a redskins team that have plenty of question marks on offense like we do, and he got better each year with them.

we’ll see what happens in the next couple or few weeks.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah. But JR had no work ethic.

Truth is, you can’t judge a player or a team on one game. It’s just not a sample.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow. You can't compare two QBs without calling them equal?

That’s really weak.

Here. Let me take a crack: Ryan Leaf was no Philip Rivers.

Oh, no! Did I just compare Philip Rivers to Ryan Leaf? Yes. Did I insult Rivers or elevate Leaf? No. What’s the problem?

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Listen - we are over JR

or do you want to bring him back as the Raiders’ measuring stick?

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

No. I see some similarities between the two QBs.

The major difference is that Campbell is a competitor who cares and wants to win. That’s worth a lot. He has a lot of the same problems as Russell, and a lot of the same advantages.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

But he's a hundred times better.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought you said not to compare JC to JR?

JR had 3 years to show his abilities. For 3 YEARS he showed instead that he:

1) Didn’t care.
2) All about the money
3) No improvement

need I go on?

Campbell Cares. He practices with the team, and wants to help them.

You are ready to WRITE HIM OFF after ONE GAME. That is NOT FAIR. I’m sorry. One game is NOT enough.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

All I'm saying here

is that we should give the guy a tiny break—-he hasn’t had an opportunity to gel with anybody—-ever. He will, he wants to. The West is still Oaklands to take.

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by spec on Sep 12, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

People are against starting Grad.

I am for startying him. If he poops, let him – it will be in the open and there’ll be no controversy. If he doesn’t – then we have one

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am against starting Grad

He simply won’t survive the beating behind this line——one thing JC HAS proven, is that he can play and survive behind a shitty line.

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by spec on Sep 12, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

let's try him and see

if he loses credibility, so be it. Campbell certainly list it today.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

Against a contender team who has geared up for Oakland all summer long, at home, on opening day.

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by spec on Sep 12, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

Thats realistic. Again, did you REALLY think that Oakland was going to win?

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by spec on Sep 12, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seems to me

That you were expecting Tom Brady right out of the bag! Out of a 5 win team, no less. Come on—have a beer and settle down.

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by spec on Sep 12, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

The problem with that

When JC “loses credibility” it’s ‘cause you don’t think you can win with him.

When Grad “loses credibility” it’s ‘cause he’s on IR, and you won’t have him when you need him.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Any given play can take out anyone- Grad came back against SF with no practice

and kicked ass with the line he has. Jason is a fine QB but requires nice arrangements otherwise he fails.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

not to mention, I think Grad has a better versatility

than Campbell, he can respond to conflict and adjustments quicker.

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

This makes no sense

With all do respect there is next to nothing that backs that up. Grads mobility is much better then Campbells. Campbell has spent a season on the DL (29007) as well so his body does not hold up any better, I’m not entirely sure why anyone would think things have changed.

"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra

by Ovale Fan on Sep 12, 2010 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think so too.

But if Grad scres up, I’ll chew him up.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have a similar player love.

His name is Maroney. I have been a Maroney supporter for a while now. Every time he screws up, I tear him a new one.

But if he plays hard, I give him props, and I encourage him more to get better and better.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes, that's me

I can’t udenrstand why people react against criticism – as if I criticize jason, I hate him. I don’t really. Giving him slack would amount to hating him though – that’s why I don’t give slack even to Grad.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

We are not exactly AGAINST starting him

we are just saying to give Campbell TIME.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

poor baby Jason

Give him time to learn how to speak

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Troll.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Up to this point, you were being civil. What happened?

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

whiskey and tears

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by spec on Sep 12, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am pretty civil as we speak.

Explain in full detail why you think I am a troll.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

poor baby Jason
Give him time to learn how to speak
he needs a potty break

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

But when you go off like that, it's obvious

you’re no longer defending a position and now just looking for a fight. That’s boring, bad etiquette, and should be called out.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

No. Spirals and I are on the same page - we want the Raiders to win

I happen to agree that, given the circumstances, e.g. our present OL, Grad should be the starter. He is a master of improvisation and also seems to get them fired-up and all thinking as a unit.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

no - If it comes to trolling, you are the one

If you call yourself a Neoplatonist, you should know how to interpret texts and how to neutralize your own fruistration. You can’t – so I think of you as an impostor. That said – there’s hope for you.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cause your not adding anything and being immature

And spewing hatred that isnt helping or warranted thats why

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

ya

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trolling is an offense as well

I wouldnt do it if I were you

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

non sequitur

Prove I am a troll.

You are seriously challenged in this case. That’s why I warn you – before you utter whatever comes to your mind, think twice. It’s one thing to disagree with someone on this blog, another to slander him or her. You will lose against me – quit it, and apologize.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I will lose to you?

In what?

Saying these things

poor baby Jason/
Give him time to learn how to speak
he needs a potty break

 Is immature, Im not going after you but telling you to stop trolling, it’s unnecessary. Its one thing to actually try and have a civil convo. Its another to say things like what you said above . And what am I apologizing for? You trolled above and that cant be changed, if anything you should apologize for saying those unnecessary things

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

you do realize

what you’re saying she is doing is trolling, is exactly what you do about commenting about Campbell, right?

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Im not the one throwing out baby terms saying he needs a potty break

I’m actually being mature about this. Trolling is being immature/annoying and picking a fight.

If she wanted to actually talk without being immature but still be against what im for its not trolling, but shes not

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Baby Bottom Line: Campbell did not adjust

to the situation. The O-L was consistently weak and he did nothing to adjust – no improvisation – nothing; as one incapable of adaptation. So, I see Spirals bent of mind in the “potty break” comment. If you are too squeamish to handle such rhetoric then maybe the Marin New Age Times is what you should stick with for your reading pleasure.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I COULD say

that even if Tom Brady was behind that line, he would not have had a very good game at all either.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

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by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

but

I could say he’d find a way to produce more than you’re boy Campbell did.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe.

But I think Brady will be crying on the ground due to getting hit so many times! lol

Trust me. Behind the line that played today, Brady wouldn’t have done THAT much better to make any difference. He would stand in the pocket for a couple seconds, then BAM, he gets hit to the ground.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

see there's the problem

standing in the pocket.

Grad knows hot to move around.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh he would move around.

You forget that brady is very good in terms of pocket presence. He’s compared to Dan Marino, maybe even better. He makes those two steps to get extra time, he rolls out away from pressure, and makes accurate throws out of it.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

and apparently

Campbell isn’t.

so stop comparing unless you’re ready to compare man to man and man to o-line

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wasn't comparing man to man.

This is what I said:

if Tom Brady was behind that line, he would not have had a very good game at all either.
and apparently
Campbell isn’t.

Are you comparing Campbel to Brady then? because Im not, but if I were to respond to this, I would say not as good as Brady and how he does it. Definitely not as good.

Grad would have been better prepared for the porous OL than Campbell. Bruce knows the OL more than him, so I expect him to be.

Campbell’s first game under the OL, and it’s something he was not prepared for. Hopefully he is in the next couple weeks. Hell, if Campbell does bad against the RAMS I say put Grad in right away, and show Campbell how it’s done.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know you weren't comparing man to man

that’s why I freaking told you to.

Everyone says this or that QB would be bad behind the o-line too. And that’s true, but the elite QB’s that we’re using in that example would also know how to get some things done behind the o-line. Like being mobile and rolling out. No one ever takes that into consideration when comparing a QB to QB to O-lline.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 13, 2010 4:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh I mis-read you! lol

I can’t see Brady doing well behind our OL, judging by how bad people are saying it performed last night.

Grad would have been better prepared for the OL.

I just believe that Campbell wasn’t prepared for how bad it was going to play. I’m interested in seeing how he’ll play next week, after this.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 13, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not to thrilled witih

Jackson either. But I expected nothing from him.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol!

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trust me

Im not squeamish , but I also have a sense of the time and place to say things like he needs a potty break and what not. She could have just said what you said and it’d have been a legit argument instead of calling him a baby after 1 game when the line was at fault. A thing to remember, Al runs the system and adjustments, so even if he tried to Al would rule against it

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

@dubzfan, 6:17 PM PDT

Trust me – you pick and choose when to get sqeamish, and that’s what has to get knocked out of you if you are to live a good life.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Im not a squeamish person at all

And Im quite happy with my life, trolling is trolling. Its not a matter of being squeamish

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

dear dubzfan

frankly, you crack me up. Trust me, I’d love to meet you in person and have you as a student. You have potential. When and where do you want to meet?

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha, sorry Im not so sure I trust the idea of meeting up with someone from a blog i barely know

I go to O’dowd, if you want me to be your student, come teach here

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're at O'Dowd!

That’s a really good school. Not far from where I am. They teach you Latin there, don’t they?

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

They have it

But I dont take it , where are you at?

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I teach Latin/ancient Greek in Oakland/SF

and also at Saint Mary’s College in Moraga. It’s lots of fun with me as your teacher (not sure how much fun you have with others).

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Im sometimes by St Marys

My dad plays soccer up there every now and then but not often

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are actually extremely immature - grow up

and get used to metaphors. How old are you, anyway? If you are older than JaKe, patriotguy, the Hoode Skull, RRS and KA3ZR1 (sp.), you are behind.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dont know how old those posters are

And explain to me how Im immature saying that making baby jokes isn’t?

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

these posters are teenagers I respect to the highest

If you are a teenager as well, you have to aspire to their sophisticated level. If you are older – there’s still hope fr you (some people are late bloomers, of they’re open-minded.)

As to your aversion to baby jokes – it’s a PC response used as a straw man. Babies don’t care.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Than how old are you wise sage Spirals?

And last time I checked straw man were not good

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Than" I am much older than you, dubzfan

and do googler straw man falacies before you respond to me.

Man, it would be real fun having you in my class. You actually can come to count for something.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Strawman

A logic fallacy involving the purposeful misrepresentation of an argument in order to strike it down.

Basically, a BS argument to take down something you dont agree with. And Im assuming your a teacher, in which case I will tell you learning on the field and classroom are very different. You can be a dumbass in school but a genius QB

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fallacy - if you are smart in one field, the skills are transferable

otherwise you are not smart.

How old are you, anyway? Do you want to join my classes?

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

calling someone a troll

is not mature. Letting it go and commenting is.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

thanks, Mikesd1981

I really think dunzfan overreacts because of the potty comment, which is sad – PC rules.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

what can I say. You are a hopeless case.

poor you, come life. You’re not really prepared.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hang on StD fan, you're responding with a non sequitur. Are you challenged?

What is your stake in this anyway? I’ve been following this line of thought and don’t see why you suddenly became squeamish / politically correct. I’ve been to your gay bolts from the blue blog and you should know we don’t play by your tame rule here. If you can’t hang – fuck off!!

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

See, that I can respect.

As long as you don’t mind my rubbing in San Diego’s 13-game win streak on y’all, feel free to hurl vitriol my way. I’d do the same if I were a Raiders fan, and hanging out on my high horse only works ’cause we have a high horse to hang out on.

But Spirals Galore is still talking like an ass. I even think he had a good point. It is, however, funny, that when I bring up the fact that Campbell has only lost one game for the Raiders, Spirals insists this isn’t the case. When I ask him to explain, he starts calling Jason Campbell a baby.

It doesn’t make much sense, but it sure is funny.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

You, who can't distinguish the male gender from the female

would venture opposition to one who knows what you are incapable, by genetics or neglect!!! Enough. I’ve no time to bandy words with a “bolthead”

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2010 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

tell me - why do you call yourself "Neoplatonist"?

What is the significance of your screen name in the field of football?

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Umm......

Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death

by spec on Sep 12, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who's Plato?

And who are the neo-Platonists????

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

In the field of football? Not much.

As an identifier, it works nicely. I have a degree in philosophy and a thing for Plato. I actually tend to enjoy Neo-Aristotelians more than Neo-Platonists, but I was looking for five syllables.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Funny - I hold a Ph.D in Classics, with a specialization in philosophy

Never knew that Aristotle or Plato could think like you. Do you read them in Greek?

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not that cool.

:)

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've read the symposium twice, still a

mindfuck everytime.

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

You say that like it's a bad thing.

If you can go over and over and over something and not walk away with a sense of apoeria, it’s a pretty good indicator that you’re a lightweight.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

aporia, not apoeria

Socrates, baby, all the way. Do learn some Greek – it’ll do you good.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll repeat what I said, until I get some sort of argument out of you. You are not making any right now.

We are not exactly AGAINST starting him
we are just saying to give Campbell TIME.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't understand your logic?

First season game with the raiders. The raiders lose, but it was a TEAM loss, and not necessarily a loss that can be blamed on CAMPBELL.

So, because by the fact that they LOST, you are ready to bench campbell for your boy, Grad. Instead of giving Campbell a COUPLE MORE WEEKS to see what he has?

I don’t see your logic because by your logic, a person’s skill is shown in game 1 right away. Which in that case, Ryan Leaf should have been an excellent QB by now.

The thing is, this is campbell’s first season game with us. We WON’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HIS SKILL IN ONE FREAKIN’ GAME!!! It takes MORE THAN ONE GAME believe it or not.

Calm down. Your problem is that you have such a love of Grad ad his play, that after ONE FREAKIN’ GAME that Campbell didn’t play TOO well, you get all excited, and say that “See? Campbell is not good at all! START GRAD NOW!”

Bottom line: We need to see a couple more games out of JC. If he does bad in each one, then I have absolutely NO PROBLEM starting Grad simply because he hasn’t shown me anything in three weeks.

Now that, Spirals, makes sense.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I do have a love for Grad, but I'll crucify him if I he screws up

I was all for jason today – although I expected the pattern I’d seen in preseason. I weas mightily disappointed.

What you don’t knopw yet about me is that I give praise where it’s due, and don’t care abouit past laurels. It’s all about about the present. Ditto about my students – I don’t care id someone started with solid f’s – id s/he shows up at A-levels at the end, I’ll give them an A for the semester. Same with Jason and Brad.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol okay. :)

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

:)

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

just want to say
What you don’t know yet about me is that I give praise where it’s due, and don’t care abouit past laurels. It’s all about about the present.

I understand that. But would a student be doomed if he failed only 1 test? Or can he improve his grade, and get better?

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

absolutely. If jason proves me wrong, I'd be extremely happy

Ditto about Grad. Many a times have I told the story about a student of mine who started with solid F’s and ended with A’s. I am not a bean counter.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

You better hope Jason becomes more vocal Patguy.

This team needs a leader a vocal one. JC better open his mouth! We need some fire now!

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why do I "better" hope he becomes vocal?

We’ll see what he does in the next couple games, and we shall get a better view of him, his play, his “fire,” and pocket presence.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

all those aspects

are important. But it’s good you’ve lowered your time table to 3 weeks instead of 3 years.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I give ROOKIES 3 years to develop mostly.

And that’s only IF they show the desire to get better.

JR, entering, and in his 3rd year, did not really show any improvement at all. Entering his 4th year, he is not showing any desire to improve, and he was released.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

i’m glad we wasted those 3 years on the obvious.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

why not? Usually it takes more than one game to get an idea of what kind of team you have, and how your starters are.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed, "one game" ...

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2010 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

... or two, but no more. We are in the hardcore

of hardcore professional realm; why cut slack?

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2010 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

okay sons. two games. :)

I’ll have Jack’s Axe waiting beside my door after week two(or three), ready for use. :)

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lets just say I know my way around VA...

Kidding… But you’re the one lobbying for him to have more time. I don’t see improvement unless he anticipates WR’s routes perfectly and is more vocal, fiery. Maybe he does need more time of learning though, lets hope he gets the WR’s routes down well and be not afraid to air it out.

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

All reasons

why he shouldn’t have started.

And why my point about chemistry w/ Grad is even more potent now.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

That chemistry cannont be underestimated.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

very true. Gruden and Gannon had great

Chemistry, than Davis fucked that up too.

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

you know Gruden wanted out

right?

And I meant chemistry with the other players.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

know the story.

Al stoically killed his relationship with Gruden because of differences in scheme.

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Indeed.

Everyone played horribly today though.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

but imagine a QB that can roll to the side and still get the ball off because he KNOWS where the WR will be…..

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can.

That also falls onto chemistry as well.

I hope that we can see some sort of chemistry between campbell in the next couple weeks, otherwise, I’d like to see Grad get the starting role.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

You live in VA no?

Heard it’s just calm out there. No ghetthoness.

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I do hope he gets unparalyzed.

I suspect he has fire in him, but it’s held in check.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I suspect he doesn't

and why would he hold it in check.

If he cant’ get the team fired up in a situation like this, or at least to pull it together, he never will. It’s time like this you need a leader.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe you are insightful here, Mike

I’ve had high hopes for JC, but have more questions now than hopes. Hope in the sense you might use it…lol

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

always give students the benefit of the doubt

Schadenfreude (joy at someone else’s shame) is a guilty pleasure.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Absolutely! "Gemuchlicheit!"

Although it is hard to come by as a Raider fan. Seems we only have it for brief moments before games…

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes - I think it'll do Jason good to do so

I think Jason is paralyzed – but he get over it. Hell, everyone gets paralyzed by conventions at times – and everyone has the potential to get over it. Can Jason do it? That’s the question that I have, I and I’m rooting for him to do it. Otherwise, he’s doomed.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

well for someone

that was supposed to be the hero, he shouldn’t be so shell shocked.

all the excuses we heard that made him good

“he’s used to all the coach changes”
“he’s used to all the new systems”

yea I saw that toda…

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

We should give him a break.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's offensive.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hah! spare me

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

wait - are you against bodily functions???

If I told you I needed a potty break right now, wopuld you censor me? Poor Spirals, she’d have to pee in her pants then…

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Troll

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Me?!

Please provide a detailed description of your reasons to call me a troll. Also, provide a full description of the emotional background of your slander.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have nothing against the Bolts fan

He’s having a civil convo with solid points.

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are very young and obviously unvwewrsed in textual interpretation, so I'll give you some slack

Be extremely careful though with slander – I’ll kick your ass if you go against me.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

how is threatening

okay but slander not?

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

huh?

You’re telling me not to go after someone who’s called me a troll without any justification?

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its a double standard

Its okay if your out of line but its wrong if he is?

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not really

I rarely overreact to people – and as Al’s Wingman knows, I revise my opinion with incoming evidence.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

no

i’m saying if you’re gonna call him out for slandering, threatening is just as wrong. It’s kind of hypocritical

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Doubt it. He knows not the secifics as we real fans know it.

He can be called out. He doesn’t belong here if he is going to lecture us about out own team as if he knows best. If he’s here to talk about his team and matchups then ok, but today is not the time for that. We will play them later not today.

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow.

All I said was, “Jason Campbell’s not so bad.” Oh, and “it’s extremely rude to call a starting NFL QB a baby on his own team’s forum.”

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

So...

Trolling OK. Gotcha.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Are you telling me that you never criticize

anyone on your team??? That’s sad…. and damaging.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

No.

I wish Jacob Hester were a better blocker.
We still haven’t found our SS of the future.
If Philip Rivers goes down, we’re screwed: J.T. O’Sullivan doesn’t inspire any confidence, and Billy Volek used to be good, but it’s obvious he’s declined.

But no, none of ’em are babies.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whatever.

I mean, I was mostly responding with surprise to the level of vitriol you guys are comfortable with.

Whatever floats your boat. I still maintain that Spirals Galore was trolling, and therefore being a troll. I don’t necessarily insist that there’s any problem with that, or at least one that transcends my aesthetic sense.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

:)

To each blog its own culture.

Makes sense. Down in San Diego, we’re always high-flying and polite, and prefer to finesse our way through disagreements. Kind of like….

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

poor fellas....:)

Knowing about multiculturalism is a good thing. Do travel around the world – you’ll develop thicker skin.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your blog is the absolute worst of all

Mamsy pamsy milktoast nerds, I hate chargers worse than New England or Dallas. Out of my site! Get behind me Satan!!

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had a fine justification.

We were having a nice little debate, and then you turned to childish insults toward the starting QB of the team this blog is focused on. That’s trolling.

“Slanderous” implies untrue. Watch where you point that thing, fella.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's the question, fella

Is he the anointed qb? Who anointed him – Al Davis? Al gave him a warning, as I remember, fella.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

If one bad game gets your starting QB benched

Expect to go through a whole lot of starters.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd take Campbell over Boller in a heartbeat.

Over Gradkowski too, though I’ll acknowledge that it’s a question of comparative advantages in that case.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Will you be so smug when K.C. defeats you Monday? Hah!

You come here to gloat, and play the advocate. I consider you a troll. It’s the StD arrogance that permits you (in your conceited mind) to criticize upstanding members of the Nation for incivilities that aren’t recognized on this blog. Get the fuck out of here!

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2010 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I actually give KC about 40% of a win on Monday

in my preseason predictions. I have the Chargers at 5-1 in the division and if I had to pick a game, it would be opening night.

But how many times have you guys said the same thing on opening week?

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ummm... wrong we will beat you once so will

the Broncos. Because your Pass D is weak. KC will run, you guys can stop that. You will win Monday. But we are built to matchup with you guys and destroy your overrated O-line. We will pressure Rivers when we play you guys.

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nnamdi will blanket Floyd... who's the other guy?

Nanny? Routt will shut him down. Who are your LB’s?

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

But yowza.

I’m not playing any unpleasant games hanging out here. I’m just not finding any action on BFTB, because we’re in the calm before the storm and I want my football fix. After this, I’ll probably be out of your hair until Week 5.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I just like Charger fans because they

are not in abundance and boastful as Chiefs or Bronco fans. I want you guys to beat Chiefs because they are arrogant with McCluster, please break him. We will beat you guys… I know it. We always hold back on rivals that are not divisional rivals regarding specific playcalling. We will have Bush back and our rookie D and O-linemen will get better.

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

No. Sorry. Campbell has about four years as a starter, with a near-.500 record.

Kolb has a few games here and there.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

People

His stats with the Skins are no longer relevant. They mean nothing here. He’s starting from scratch.

by rightnasty on Sep 12, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uh, not really.

I mean, he’s proven he can start in the pros and win games, in a hard division, without much of a supporting cast.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

exactly.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

And

It means nothing here. He’s proven he can play with the Skins. That’s all.

by rightnasty on Sep 12, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

He brings starting credentials to this team. I think that means something.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yowza. Nothing? Then why is there a draft?

Why do people make fun of the Broncos giving up a first round pick for Alphonso Smith, and then trading him for Rob Gronkowski?

Why didn’t Vincent Jackson sign his tender? By your argument, he’d know for a fact he had no trade value. Because for whatever team took him he’d be a gamble, with no experience on their team. Better to save the draft picks and grab a guy off the waiver wire.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

What do you mean?

I mean, I’ve only got a bachelor’s degree. A basic class in inductive reasoning, plus propositional, predicate and modal calculus. Why?

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

My scratching my head indicates 75% chance of no.

25% chance of “lingo getting in way.”

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2010 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

A very important component of any education

lectures don’t cut it. You’ll eventually get it though.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

yep.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

read my post right above

Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death

by spec on Sep 12, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

JC has proven he is a solid starter

Kolb aint done shit

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Response below

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

about a .500 record in NFC east

Complete over 60% of his passes, over 20 TD’s and over 3500 yards, thats how. What has Bruce done?

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you see all the preseason games? I know you saw him today and so I wonder why you are so

defensive of such mediocrity. Campbell was a non-entity today – an utter disappointment. He was hyped and anointed and did not adjust to the game whatsoever.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess you can also look at it this way

No one played good at all today, except DMC.

Which also means that this is a Team loss, and how this game looked should not be placed on Campbells shoulders alone.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jason is under tremedous pressure and can't deal with it

Al put it on him – I’ve been following jason’s reactions to Al and know how nervous he feels. Listen, Dubzfan – I am not against Jason. I’ll cheer for him if he does well, but I won’t if he doesn’t. Ditto for Grad. So get over it – and don’t ever – EVER – try to accuse me of trolling.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

it's all about now, young man

If you are my student in college, I don’t care about your grades in high school.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think its that we suck

as much as that Tennessee is really, really good. I’ll tell you what, though, I won’t not start McFadden as a fantasy running back again.

Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death

by spec on Sep 12, 2010 3:46 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

This or Bruce at RG

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

u guys are good

better than den maybe better than kc all JACK does is run

okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider

by j-man on Sep 12, 2010 4:09 PM PDT reply actions  

We really need to open up the offense more. I think we’ll see that more as the offensive grows together. The o-line really needs to shape up and we need to be more creative with the play calls. When Bush gets back, I imagine they’ll probably open it up more and it will allow them to use McFadden in the slot, which will benefit the young wide outs and Miller.

by duballers23 on Sep 12, 2010 4:28 PM PDT reply actions  

They should go with Bush in the backfield, Murphy and DHB wide with McFadden in the slot, and Miller on the end. That should be something we see a lot if they want to thrive on offense.

by duballers23 on Sep 12, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Some sweet facts. Alex Smith got intercepted twice when trying to pass it to Michael Crabtree..

One bounced off Crabtree’s hands the other was just inaccurate.

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 4:34 PM PDT reply actions  

good. I hope he finishes with 5 INT, and a mouthful of dirt, Alex Smith is a bitch!!!

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pete Caroll is bringing energy and rah-rah feel while in-game. The Seahawks won vs the 49ers.

I would love a coach like that, our coaches are very reserved, who brings the energy? Hue was quiet throughout the game. Pete was active he was acting like a pumped up teammate throughtout the game being very vocal. He’s acting like a leader. When players don’t have one, especially if you have a timid QB, an active/cheerleader/energy HC is pretty sweet.

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 4:37 PM PDT reply actions  

That’s why we miss Gruden so much. Cable is so vanilla and boring. He seriously needs to step it up and be more of a motivator. Same with Hue. T-shirts don’t cut it. We need guys enthusiastic and making guys want to get better and guys that will get on you for making silly mistakes.

by duballers23 on Sep 12, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey leave him alone, Cable came to see a spectacular show, he got one.

Plus, I heard he has Chris on his fantasy team, a good bonus after a loss.

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

he reminds me more of a big potato

I like how he sort of scratches the back of his bristle-y dome after every bad play by the Silver and Black

by Raaddad on Sep 12, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trust me their O-line and WR weapons are garbage. Especially since a starter named Avery at WR went down-

in the preseason for them. We’ll just have to worry about Jackson. I guarantee a win vs them or I will stop posting here….

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I take that back....

I may keep posting…………..

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

lmao!

that didn’t take long, at all…

I was about to comment; in a way, if a victory means these fucking coaches keep believing in the chump collection of blockers we’ve assembled, I want us to get our asses kicked again. This team is not capable of doing much better than last year, and I’m no happy with going from terrible to mostly shitty, but occasionally okay, when all we need is a couple of real tackles. Hell, sign Mankins. Daniel Loper? RUFK me? All those penalties are all of our worst fears of Cornhole repeating. They’re all worthless! Including Gallery’s sorry ass. Watch tape on that game. How’d he miss that block on that trick play to spring Campbell? That was fucking horrible. Still pissed.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Was that Gallery?

I didn’t see who it was but yeah, shitty attempt at blocking.

"May the wind be at our back, here comes the Silver and Black "

by RUKidding on Sep 12, 2010 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was Gallery. What's a guy his size trying to cut block a d back for?

Really? Fire him yesterday. Miserable for a guy who did that in college with regularity.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bradford is no slouch. Even as a rookie.

He reminds me of Peyton Manning.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Not STL. Not Detroit. Not KC. Not Denver. Not TB. Have I missed anyone????

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cleveland.

"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge

by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 12, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

but of course...

how quickly I forget the horrible teams that we somehow call ourselves better in comparison. Won’t make that mistake anytime soon again.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ummm...looking at his stats..... he had a horrible game, how is that solid?

Dub I think u made a mistake man, 3 int’s is very bad, and he got sacked twice. I bet he was very pressure throughout the game. We will do the same as their O-line is more garbage than ours.

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ints came late in the game. One was a necessary force at the end of the game where the receiver could've fought harder

and the final one was on the last play of the game in the end zone. He’ll improve quickly. Avery would’ve changed the whole scenario.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he threw three interceptions, but a few really weren't his fault.

The last one was a bomb in the end zone so that one really was nothing. On the previous one, on fourth down, the defender was all up in his face and he just chucked it up to someone he saw out of his eye and it happened to get picked off. Watching it, that one really didn’t look like his fault.

"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge

by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 12, 2010 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup. That dude will be special

I’d take him over the Jason we watched today in a heartbeat.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Everyone would take Bradford over Campbell.

At least a third of the league would take them over their current starting quarterback.

"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge

by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 12, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree wholeheartedly.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

well... he is without Avery. Who is an AMAZING WR.

But besides that, they really don’t have an OL either.

Intangible wise, he reminds me of Manning. I don’t know if the INTs are his fault eeither. I know one of them was a last second BOMB to the endzone that was Intercepted.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

He has VERY good decision making, and spreads the ball around OFTEN.

their defense lost them the game really.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

not on Bradford at all

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

We should go for Mankins and try and trade Huff and a pick for Gaither

Then we would have Gaither, Galllery, Veldheer/Satele, Mankins, and Walker/Henderson. But of course this won’t happen.

by duballers23 on Sep 12, 2010 5:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Yup, I am desperate, I'm all for Gaither and Mankins now!!!!

But, I doubt the Coaching staff want to show panic so maybe they won’t budge.

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ugh! Why tf don't we?

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did Mankins play today?

And what are the Ravens asking for Gaither? I want both now

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mankins did not play.

There are multiple stories where he was about to sign a 2 year deal with us, until we told him to make a public apology.

I will say that it’s likely he will be traded if he isn;t signed by next week.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know.

I shun to think that the raiders will enter next years draft with only a second rounder, and have to wait till the 4th round for their next pick.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

this

we could always use someone like scott in the offseason as trade bait for a pick

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I suppose it can be a good deal. Have any DL that can play 3-4 RDE?

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shaugnessy

But I doubt we deal him, Des Bryant would be more likely paired with a pick

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Naw lets fleece them, Jay Alford it is. He can play Patguy..... what'ya think?

I was kidding about the fleecing, he is good and can play….

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

eh. maybe a 3rd and a 5th would be good enough.

But I’m not sure.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Veldheer will improve

He looked really clueless out their sometimes today, but I think he’ll be fine. Henderson is a guy who usually takes a little while to get into the flow, which sucks, but I think he’ll get better. Same with Gallery. Carlisle is always meh, which is why it wouldn’t hurt to try B. Campbell out their on occasion. Walker seems okay right now.

by duballers23 on Sep 12, 2010 5:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Veldheer is the one guy I'll let off the hoook

the others? Fuck no. Gallery blew. Walker and the others too many penalties. They’re shit. End of story.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gall was average

Everyone else sucks

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good thing we are not alone. I barely noticed the score of 49ers vs Seahawks. Niners lost 31-6.

Plus remember you guys said, i want Liupati or Anthony Davis…. look how they got blown out. Shit like this happens guys. We will bounce back just as the Niners will, I know those fuckers are good, we are too.

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 5:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Bay Area flukey day

I know the Niners are way better than that, and we are definitely betetr than what we saw today.

by duballers23 on Sep 12, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess this should put to rest..

the notion that our only problem was lack of a qb! We are pretty much garbage top to bottom. We got rid of one #1 draft bust.. but we still Hayward-gay (complete garbage) and McFadden (another bust!). No WR to speak of and complete lack of anything resembling a front line… I thought we might be able pull out 8 wins this season.. but it all just adds up to another double digit loss season..if Alzheimer Al would just hurry up and die we can fire that garbage coach and start rebuilding. We are still the worst franchise in NFL history (how many consecutive double digit loss seasons is that now?? ) and I did not see anything on the field today that changes that…

by G_M on Sep 12, 2010 5:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Did you see how Niners had a worse game than us? Do you want Crabtree instead of DHB?

He cause two interceptions of Smith…lol chill out GM, chill out. We’ll be ok, we will win 7 maybe 8 games.

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

8-8 is still possible.

if you asked me before the draft if i would take that, i would in a heartbeat. 7 seasons of shit is gonna take more than on offseason to turn around. Headed in the right direction.

by p.g on Sep 12, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

McFadden played very good dummy... lol. I guess you just didn't watch the game.

He had 150 total yards of running and recieving and a TD….
I know he can amass more yards doing both hard running and recieving, his versatility will show this season, unless he gets injured….

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

while there are some point in your comment

you take away all credibility by using stupid nick names for Heyward-Bey. It’s his 2nd year. Campbell didn’t even try to get the ball to him til late in the game. McFadden is on he bust bubble, he needs to keep this game going. I’m not sure why you think Al has to die to fire Cable. But regardless, the o-line falls on Cable, an o-line coach. So yea, things need to change, but we can’t count DHB out until we actually see someone try to pass to him more.

How come I don’t see you coming down on Campbell?

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I feel your pain G_M, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water. We have 6 things to correct and all will be well.

1. Start Gradkowski
2. Michael Bush returns
3. Bring in Stevie Brown for FS
4. Bring Goethel for OLB
5. Nick Miller in the WR rotation and punt / kick-off returns
6. Get Gaither and Flozzell Adams and release Mario and Khalif.
Q.E.D.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2010 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

that was a little

unnecessary. He shouldn’t have said it about Davis, but no need to go as low as he did.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude, your pessimism is off the charts, it's one loss, I expected this kind of result, the effort

wasn’t where it should be, as for your rant about our talent, DHB, Chaz and Louis Murphy in a couple of years will be marquee, with JC or someone else. as for McFadden, he’s not a bust, the offensive gameplan today was tailored made for him, that’s the kind of personnel and blocking schemes that he needs to succeed, he didn’t have that last year.

We all want Al dead, but how do you kill that which cannot die?

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 5:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Wait, my pessimism?

"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge

by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 12, 2010 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

no. GM.

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

no

he can’t find the reply button. imagine that. he’s talking about G_M

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll use the reply button when appropriated to do so. I apologize.

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

it just makes it easier to follow a conversation

but it’s ongoing problem here. People can’t seem to figure it out.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Won't have that problem with me anymore. Thanks for the courtesy.

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mike what if for some it doesn't show on their screen?

Or sometimes I notice that it is “stuck” and won’t work so I refresh. But other Computer newbies might not get it….

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I should have expected this reaction too

Watch all the whiners and overreactors come back next week after we win and get all excited again.

by duballers23 on Sep 12, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

AGREED.

I HAVE SEEN THIS SOOOOO MUCH last season.

It annoys me.

In Bruce We Trust

by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Sep 12, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

The fact is those fleeting wins against good teams just keep us the same oldteam..

that lost more games than any other team in the history of the league in a span of seven seasons. If we see the same mistakes repeated over and over (mostly due to a ladck of protection), I won’t ever get excited about this team again.

Hate it if you will, but real Raider fans are fed up with the same old bs.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Way fed up, my brother, it's been enough already!!!

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am fed up

I don’t expect us to be that good of a team, but let’s not get all pissy about week 1. We actually have a good shot against 2 not so good teams coming up. Let’s see what our team does after a couple weeks before we go crazy.

by duballers23 on Sep 12, 2010 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

A loss is a loss

Yeah we got blown out, but every team gets blown out sometimes. It’s only week 1 and a lot of teams bounce back the next week. We have two winnable games coming up and if we can get a rhythm going in those games, then we can carry that along and build on it.

by duballers23 on Sep 12, 2010 5:53 PM PDT reply actions  

The way I figure it: Everyone's gotta take a beating sometime.

Great fucking movie.

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's not so so much the loss, but that it proved that my fears of our inadquacies at certain positions were worse than I feared

and I don’t expect that aspect to improve from coaching… It’s personnel.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

crawl, walk and then you run

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eat me with such cliche's. Brhynno has been (more than anyone) crying for help at OT and it has not been addressed

There are better players out there – be it in FA or conversion – but we cannot seriously go forward with what we have.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I couldn't agree more, I was being my sarcastic, foot in mouth disease, self

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

WEEK 1

You’ve never seen teams play bad in week 1 and then get it together?

by duballers23 on Sep 12, 2010 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

He basically means the chickens have come home to roost and it ain't good in a few areas!!!

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

we expected ahell'va lot more out of ouf o-line & reeiver's!!!!!!!!!

we we’re horrible………….

"Think of the solution not the problem"
"Do you know who i think i'm not"

by bojackson34 on Sep 12, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

no hands & we'ren't able to get open enough...

"Think of the solution not the problem"
"Do you know who i think i'm not"

by bojackson34 on Sep 12, 2010 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

i know our o-line sucks balls…….

but god damn we looked crappy all game long!!!!

"Think of the solution not the problem"
"Do you know who i think i'm not"

by bojackson34 on Sep 12, 2010 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

and yet I think

Grad would have tried to make more opportunities.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

He provides the necessary lift to some of these guys

They’re like soulless ghosts out there sometimes. it’s like a different team with Bruce on the field. Extremely puzzling phenomenon.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

it's because

he has confidence and knows he can start and be a good player and he holds everyone to the same level and demands it.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

thats the way Bruce rolls.....

Im still in Campbells camp

"Think of the solution not the problem"
"Do you know who i think i'm not"

by bojackson34 on Sep 12, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

but J.C. looked scared out there...

"Think of the solution not the problem"
"Do you know who i think i'm not"

by bojackson34 on Sep 12, 2010 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would be too with this line

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

touche

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

hence the problem with first impressions, you only get one and he

fucked that up.

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think that could be true

Grad is usually always solid, but if we can get protection, I’ll take Campbell. He is the better qb when time is given.

by duballers23 on Sep 12, 2010 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

can you prove that?

we’ve seen Grad behind a bad o-line come out and and get 2 from behind wins.

Right now we have some proof of Grad to make those statements. Nothing tells me Campbell is the guy you think he is.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

When he was with the Skins

He showed he could be a good QB, that line was better than ours

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

was it?

I keep hearing it was the worst o-line in the league when he was there.

so what is it? or are you just stretching to make an excuse for him?

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

It sure as hell was better than ours

I was comparing it to our line more than the league

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

well if

it was reportedly the worst in the league, it was worse than ours.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

09 Skins line > Our line this year

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

it's some 1st game jetterers...

J.C. must still need time to gell w/ the boys

"Think of the solution not the problem"
"Do you know who i think i'm not"

by bojackson34 on Sep 12, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

don't you think

that should have been taken care of in the preseason? He’s supposed to be a professional. So that’s 1 game wasted getting time to gel. And it didn’t look like it was a success, so another game wasted next week?

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Regular season is completely different from preseason

Its one thing to know your guys, its another to play with them in a full speed game

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seems to me that was Garcia's description of Jasuckus Russell

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

He said he didnt have the work ethic

And he already was here a year, different situation and problems

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

He also said he looked great on the practice field

and like a “deer in headlights,” during the game. I know the comparisons should stop there, but the situation here is shockingly similar. Hugely different talent levels and desires, but what different does it makes if it proves the wrong decision?

I’m entertaining that JC can improve, and that everyone here is right that it was the wrong thing to do to hand JC the starting job, and still say even TB would’ve struggled behind our line today.

JC was about as devoid of leadership and command today as one could possibly be as an NFL qb. I hope it can change, because i remember a great many visitors from Washington’s blog that warned us of that in him.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

so you're just bolstering

what i’m saying. He doesn’t belong.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

It means 1 game against a team that is built basically to counter our strengths doesnt mean much and giving up on him after 1 game is dumb

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

so then Ten

will lose the next 15 games because they were built just for us?

The insanity of that logic is just amazing.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didnt mean they built there team around beating us

But that there strengths play right into the hands of our weakness’. I never once said the Titans were specifically built to beat the Raiders. I said there a team built to counter teams like us, teams that have difficulty stopping the run and have issues up front

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

It means 1 game against a team that is built basically to counter our strengths

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

there a team built to counter teams like us, teams that have difficulty stopping the run and have issues up front

If I rephrased it there a team built to expose teams that have a poor Oline and cant stop the run itd mean the exact same thing. Were one of the teams they expose well.

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Separate, in your mind, or O from our D. Our D measured up to the CJ

challenge but for 1 gaff. The O, was piss-poor on pass defense but not entirely and the QB was abysmal – defend him all you want and lose what credibility you have. The fact is, we have a QB who has demonstrated an ability to function with this line as it is and he should be our stater.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2010 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

That can be a reason...

The pats DID play horribly against the rams in the 3rd pre-season game, and everyone panicked.

Pats come in the 1st season game, and basically man-handled the bengals the entire first half. and half of the second half.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Deja vu?

do we not learn to pull the anointed one when its time from such recent mistakes?

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

it's way to early for that

it’ll cause more problems than help right now in the locker room.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd agree had he not been handed the job

Would the team have chosen JC over Grad? Should that not matter to a real team, determined to live up to the shirts they’re wearing?

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

it doesnt matter now

the decision is made and to make the change now will split the team and cause any unity to be broken.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree, cuz you're the de facto starter doesn't mean

the whole room is behind you. Well said.

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

As if, petrified in his appearance--stone-faced--but in a bad way

devoid of soul, as if waiting for the next play to go sour, kinda the way the rest of the team responded last year when Jamarcus took the field after Grads went down.

Not a good sign from our new leader from whom we expected a necessary lift.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

college

is different than NFL. I didn’t see any proof that Campbell is better at passing than Grad in this game….

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Excellent analogy S.O.B, I really expected to see Grad in the 2nd half

But, I call out the coaches, I’ve said it, as has many others including you, When Grad comes in, this team responds. If Jason struggles, Grad should be in there.
Coaching right now is an issue for me, maybe it’s Cable with his head in the sand thinking his O line is decent, however Fisher exploited it, mauled it, chewed up or O line and spit it out. Fisher knew how Jason would react too.

by Kevin Coffman on Sep 12, 2010 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe they don't want to see Bruce get pounded right away and injured as well

The way the line is playing, it won’t be long before Bruce and then Bulger will be in to replace their injured colleague. This season looks like it will be brutal again.

by Raaddad on Sep 12, 2010 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Boller.

"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge

by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 12, 2010 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

over the top hilarious

We all want Al dead, but how do you kill that which cannot die?
by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 5:41 PM PDT

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2010 5:58 PM PDT reply actions  

I couldn't help myself.

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll say this

If we do end up losing the next two games and we look like garbage, then Cable needs to pull Carlisle and Henderson/Walker and give Veldheer and Campbell time at the tackles.

by duballers23 on Sep 12, 2010 6:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Cable may not be around by then (if that sceneio (God forbid) occure) - we need an OT right fucking now and we need a QB

who can adapt to the situation, i.e. Grad. Campbell is to QBs as Kevin Costner is to actors.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2010 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well

if we fixed the line I dont think the whole adjusting thing would be a big issue

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is it easier to fix the O-L or change the QB? Grad has a history of adapting to this line, he gets the ball out fast and that's

what we need. Jason is an accurate QB who works well in a controlled environment but doesn’t adapt well to surprises while Bruce thrives in the chaos of the moment – an existentialist QB is what he is and what we need to win.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2010 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well if we can get Mankins which is very possible and maybe Gaither

That actually easier since there’d be no controversy, maybe just switching up the rotation would help fix it. So I actually think the line can be fixed easier right now

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

absurd

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2010 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well if benching Cooper and Mario

Help as much as we think and have Veldheer at LT it’d help a lot. Or getting the 2 other guys I mentioned would help too. 1 thing we should avoid is a locker room split and more controversy by switching the QB’s

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh! musn't disturb the harmony of the locker room which is so idealic. Give me a break! To hell with this

coddling mentality. Al needs to lop off heads for what occurred this day (which lives in infamy). Changing QBs is easier than releasing two players from the roster and acquiring through trade their replacements. Please, be ingenuous and don’t insult our intelligence.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cut 2 players?

Just bench them. We haven’t had chemistry since 2002, we had some in the offseason. Splitting the locker room is the last thing we want after a tough loss, that just makes things worse.

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is nonsense. The locker room wouldn't be split by starting Grad over Jason. How did this idea

enter your head? This team is in major flux (or have you not noticed). We have parted with our starting RB, QB, MLB, LDE, ROLB, RT, C, and LCB, as well as DL coach. Hello!!! What makes you think switching QBs is such a great big deal?

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2010 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

We need continuity

And changing QB’s is nothing like changing any other spot, there the general, the leader. Its either you stand by him or you dont .We need continuity and everyone on the same page, creating controversy just creates way more problems than needed. If you honestly think switching your QB is as simple as switching your DE I question your thinking of football. The QB is often the face of a team, for good and bad. To get out of a flux you either need to make a significant upgrade (trade for those lineman) or for everyone to band together and fight through it, we’ve made panic changes for the last 7 years. Look where it got us

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Switching to Grad caused no problems

You are right – the QB is like a general. Jason doesn’t seem to have the brain and guts for it.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

No panic whatsoever. Very cool, very reasonable. Grad is he QB for this Offense - period.

Only Grad has been able to consistently move this team and get the line to act as one in some semblance of a unit . If Cable cannot see this then my first impressions of the man were accurate – a buffoon in over his head. But, I will reserve my scourging words until I see what adjustments are made for next week.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2010 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

My grades...

I’m going to give the grades I felt the team deserved.

Pass Offense: F and I place the entire F on the offensive line. When your quarterback is basically on his back or running for his life the entire game, it’s hard to have a good passing game. The Raiders would have been better off bringing in a Pop Warner team to be the damn O-line.

Rush Offense: A-. McFadden did a great job today. He ran for over 5 yards a carry and ended up with close to 100 yards on the day.

Pass Defense: D. There was no pass rush. Young had all day and burned the Raiders for 2 touchdowns. He had a completion % of 77 and had a QB rating of 142.8.

Rush Defense: C. While they did stop Johnson for most of the time, they did give up big running plays 76, 20 and 15 yards and gave up 3 rushing touchdowns.

Special Teams: B+. Now our kicking game we have nothing to worry about. Janikowski usually misses about 2 or 3 field goals a year. It wasn’t like he was the Michigan kicker who only made 1 field goal this season. I would have liked to see better performance from our return guys. I mean yes Figurs had 105 on kick returns, but he fumbled on the opening kick off.

Overall I give the Raiders a C. Now I know that this is first regular season game, and hopefully the O-line gells together as the season goes along. Now in my opinion for them to do that, they need to run the ball more. I would like to see the starting running back get 25-30 carries per game and the QB only attempt 15-20 passes per game. And get Miller involved early.

Also the Raiders need to blitz and rush the QB more. The Raiders need to put more pressure on the QB like TN did today. The Raiders also need more discipline. 10 penalties are way too many.

by bslack32 on Sep 12, 2010 6:10 PM PDT reply actions  

What we need is a god damn o-line...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Think of the solution not the problem"
"Do you know who i think i'm not"

by bojackson34 on Sep 12, 2010 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cable needs get on the o-line and be like “This is some bs you guys! You guys are hurting the whole team! If you want to keep your jobs, then go out their and earn it! We’re going to have head to head competitions for each spot and whoever comes out on top will get the starting spot.” Henderson vs. Veldheer at LT, Gallery vs. Loper at LG, Satele vs. Veldheer at C, Carlisle vs. Campbell at RG, Walker vs. Barnes at RT. Have them split time 50/50 with the first team in practice, and then go head to head in one on one blocking. Cable needs to do something like this because it is killing the team.

by duballers23 on Sep 12, 2010 6:21 PM PDT reply actions  

I dont think thats his style

He’ll try to be optimistic and say we’ll study tapes and my guys will work hard etc etc.

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

the same ol bs line

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Sep 12, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pissed that we have let him feed us the bs about the personnel up front

as Sons said, so much, “propaganda.” I’m keeping my eye on Cable.

All the locker room pull in the world won’t make up for an offensive line guy seeing talent where it just doesn’t exist.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

yup

I guarntee thats what he said

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pathetic

that was not a professional sports team out there. For one, the Titans are not that good. The Raiders have once again embarrased the loyal fans of Oakland. Tom Cable once again has had an ill prepared terrible team take the feild. The Line is a disgrace to the game. The players give up. The coaches flat out suck.

by Mr. Elek on Sep 12, 2010 6:29 PM PDT reply actions  

I think you're on to something about preparation

I think in practice the guys learn the schemes
and then in film study, they’re told something else.

Somebody doesn’t and somebody needs to get their shit together

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its partly Al

Lots of former players say he affected gameplans and forced them to change gameplans at the very last second after spending a week doing something else

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

same old story, SSDD, I'm apathetic towards Al, he's cried wolf so many times

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

his team, if he wants to be the Nero of the NFL that's his business and our tragedy.

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 12, 2010 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gannon, Sapp and some others have said this to be true

cant remember the others right now

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't blame them.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

Me either.

Showed it to a Giants Fan, Obvious Chargers fan, Chiefs fans prolly reading this and LAUGHING THEIR ASSES OFF, a Buccaneers fan, and I will be showing it to a Jets fan (that ain’t stupid.)

Some of you are close to suicide, I bet.

In Bruce We Trust

by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Sep 12, 2010 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

49ers fan

Said “Y’all got dick-slapped.”

In Bruce We Trust

by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Sep 12, 2010 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

They got their @$$es

kicked too. And they’re griping in there about Alex Smith as well.

by rightnasty on Sep 12, 2010 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I LAUGHED

At how the Seahawks bust that ass.

Crabtree had a tip-drill….LOLOLOLOL

In Bruce We Trust

by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Sep 12, 2010 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Meh. I was furious with their play, and

Things happened today that werent expected, but its the first game. Not a very good start, but hopefully we can bounce back next week with some much needed improvements. Campbell’s job is on the line if he doesn’t perform well next week.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't believe...

That Campbell’s job is on the line next week. It is hard to be a good quarterback if your O-line doesn’t block anyone

by bslack32 on Sep 12, 2010 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nott sure if I'm included in your ridicule, nor do I give two shits, but I'm pissed...

could give a fuck what Giants andniners and DisCharge fans have to say, too. Everyone and thier mother knew we needed offenseive line help and we kept these scrubs that continue to stink up the field with their sorry excuses for efforts, yet they still get paid huge NFL salaries. Should we be whistling dixie.

Eat a dick if you don’t like to hear how bad we are, and exercise free will and don’t read the bitching. I tell it like I see it.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Welcome aboard, Kev. I know we all share a true want to win games

while we often disagree on the what, where, why, who, and how. I look forward to better days, and hope we can come to a united front about where we stand on our trenches situation.

The Nation needs to scream it out loud, and the organization should hear it loudly and clearly. Today was simply unacceptable at this stage of the game.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

+ fucking 1

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2010 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dont care what they think

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

How?

By pointing out weaknesses on the team and suggesting solutions? Exactly which fans did you talk to…Charger fans?

by rightnasty on Sep 12, 2010 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

No,

By calling for Gradkowski to start, calling for Campbell’s head, and then arguing as long as these threads in here.

And the fanbases are up in the previous post. Idiot.

In Bruce We Trust

by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Sep 12, 2010 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

You go to any team's section on SBnation.com that lost today

And you’re going to see the same thing. It’s how it goes. If we weren’t upset, we wouldn’t be fans. If we didn’t care, we’d have something better to do on a Sunday. The controversy started as soon they acquired Campbell. Not just now. Now there’s fuel for the fire.

by rightnasty on Sep 12, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

True, very true,

But not like THIS.

I am upset as y’all are (well, not as much, because this thread is hilarious, as well as Vick doing well, and Tyvon and Quentin apologizing on Twitter), but I’m not ranting about people being stupid because they want Grad over Jason.

It’s stupid.

In Bruce We Trust

by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Sep 12, 2010 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

You don't see

That this game sets the tone, possibly for the entire season? This was a good test for us against a fairly good team. We weren’t expecting to win, but we should have played them a lot tougher than this. Now maybe we go out and beat the Rams next week, but that won’t mean anything because they’re hardly worth the effort. And what we discovered today, is that we nowhere near the team we were hoping for this season or led to believe to existed. Hell, we have that in common with the Niner fans.

Fact is, you don’t sound upset. You sound like you don’t care at all. Are you sure you’re a Raiders fan?

by rightnasty on Sep 12, 2010 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

rightnasty, we were neck to neck with SD last year on the opener.

we finished 5-11. I would think opening neck to neck with a playoff team would have us be an 8-8 team. That has nothing to do with the rest of the season. It’s like saying the Niners will totally suck ass because they got blown out by the Seahawks, just as we did by the Titans who are a better team.

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I care, and I AM A RAIDERS FAN.

It’s just that I have gotten over the loss because I have school (and other things) tomorrow that take more importance right now.

I was very upset. But, my father taught me one thing:

IT IS JUST ONE GAME.

End of story.

In Bruce We Trust

by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Sep 12, 2010 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

most aren't even arguing if Bruce should usurp Jason for the job

we’re just saying today’s performance perhaps validated some’s argument that perhaps anointing Jason the starter was the wrong move. We all know how Al feels about the vertical game and the big arm guy, but I’m inclined to believe he cares about winning above all, and maybe even he is wondering about handing the job to Jason under the circumstances.

All the qb bs aside, the real argument is about staying with the inadequate O line we have, and its 100% legitimate, and not even the Rams will be a guaranteed win with the unit we fielded today playing like they did. Too many penalties, no cohesion, horrible pass protection, and mediocre run blocking. Just not good enough, and I for one think we are just an offensive line away from being a great team, which makes it suck all the more to watch the talent be wasted.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

And I agree and I said all that.

Which is why this post wasn’t directed at you. The post was directed at those who ARE crying about it.

In Bruce We Trust

by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Sep 12, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

What's the difference in complaining and being a fan? I don't get you. Yeah,I know what your old man told

you but that doesn’t explain your sentiments – does it?

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

My sentiments,

Is that WE ARE STUCK WITH WHAT WE HAVE FOR THE REST OF THIS SEASON.

UNLESS we get Mankins and Gaither, WE ARE STUCK WITH WHAT WE HAVE. So if this continues (I hope it does not), then it DOES. Complain for an hour, then Keep it moving. We did it LAST SEASON.

and The players KNOW they played horrible. That is why they are apologizing on Twitter.

Cable knows his ass is on the hot seat. And he better change things. If he doesn’t, Out the door he goes.

It’s all simple, so complaining seems like a waste of time, even with people around me laughing their ass off at me because my team’s O-Line stinks more than fresh horse manure.

In Bruce We Trust

by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Sep 12, 2010 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know - it's called nagging.

There is much noise against nagging today, but it’s not likely nagging is going away anytime soon. Studies show it’s productive, albeit annoying.

by Spirals galore on Sep 12, 2010 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

That, I agree with you on.

Same ol’ Raiders Blog.

In Bruce We Trust

by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Sep 12, 2010 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

well said. we're all a little heated

I hope you’re not right about this

WE ARE STUCK WITH WHAT WE HAVE FOR THE REST OF THIS SEASON.
, and maybe a small part of me is delusional and thinks its still so. I guess that’s a pretty damn delusional part, too.

( Sighing) . Done bitching now. I guess that Tennessee team felt pretty shitty last year going 0-6 to start the year. They made us look like complete shyte.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

They came

Mad as HELL. That AFC South…..might be up for some SERIOUS Grabs.

In Bruce We Trust

by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Sep 12, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

you were able to put into words what ive been tryna say all day

except that i think cable is very much so responsible for the progress or regress of this oline.

aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR

by gogomaplata on Sep 12, 2010 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

absolutely. We were lead to believe this line could handle the pro game

I’ve yet to be shown that, or even a semblance of an NFL unit. And he’s lauded as a line coach. I’ve yet to see that, too.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

In other news, Kevin Kolb also did not do well as a starter today?

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 6:55 PM PDT reply actions  

He looked pretty solid

Still throws some lasers, but missed a lot of open guys.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Watching the Skins vs the Boyz is depressing. McNabb is doing great. They are up 10-0.

This goes to show me more about Campbell….. I will wait to see if mcNabb actually thrives with the reds, who we thought sucked balls, maybe it was indeed Campbell’s conservative ways that held them back?

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 7:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Very insightful

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2010 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think it was Campbell's conservative ways.

It’s not like McNabb is being anti-conservative. McNabb is 13-for-28, by the way. Washington’s offense hasn’t been that great, but they are playing a pretty solid Dallas defense. Washington is winning this game because of their great defense.

"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge

by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 12, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Coservative by how he only does checkdowns, screens, and TE Cooley.

Never does he throw it well as McNabb anticipating the WR running his route well. Even Gradkowski can do it. Trust, Trust your WR’s. Like Grad Trusted Murph in the pit game.

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

They could have won with Campbell playing quarterback tonight.

Dallas scored seven freaking points. Also, McNabb was 15-for-32 and that’s a below average performance.

"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge

by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 12, 2010 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

His receivers keep dropping balls too.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was obviously never a problem when Campbell was there!

Campbell was being too conservative and McNabb is just having bad luck with his receivers!

"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge

by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 12, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know your being sarcastic.

I don’t know if campbells receivers kept dropping them or not either.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Their D is the same as last year, what was the problem then, Rated-R?

Why did they win today if they are virtually the same team except for McNabb?

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

They won tonight because they held the opponent to seven points.

You’ll win a lot of games if you do that, I’m sure.

I don’t think they are virtually the same team. Their offensive line is fully healthy unlike it was all last year and they have healthy running backs. Also, Mike Shanahan is the head coach of the team.

"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge

by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 12, 2010 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of the offensive line being healthy, they also have two new starting offensive linemen in Trent Williams and Artis Hicks.

But really, this particular game tonight was just about holding the Cowboys to seven points. That’s why they won tonight’s game. Maybe McNabb will win them some games in the future, but McNabb wasn’t the reason they won tonight.

"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge

by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 12, 2010 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

JC's started 3 seasons for the skins, only one losing season.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 13, 2010 5:41 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Bottom Line !!!

Campbell or Grads, It doesn’t fucking matter !!! With these two Garbage Cans inpersonating OT’s, our QB’s are DEAD MEN WALKING !!!! Gallery is hurt, Again !!! The rook’s mistakes, okay, he’a a rook !!! But the overall all pass protection, by this o-line is, what it is ….. GARBAGE !!!! After the 1st hit From the blindside, Campbell was shakened, and remained so thru out most of the game, as the hits kept coming !!! By Not trying to upgrade this O-line in any way, Cable has put the noose around his own damn neck . On the Defensive side, Unless Big AL stuck his nose in the calls, Marshall is sharing the same noose with CABLE !!!

by papabegood on Sep 12, 2010 8:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Plus, as some other blog poster said:

I would say Tenn was borderline dirty today. I believe they were flagged for four 15 yard personal fouls. They coulda been called for more. I thought they were taking a lot of late hit cheap shots on Raiders on the ground. Especially McFadden. There were numerous times when he’d be tackled, already down, when a defender would fly in late and drill him. One time dude even appeared to try and club him in the head with a forearm.
Fuken refs, why did they not make the calls of roughing, or the offsides calls.

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by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 8:46 PM PDT reply actions  

If the D did anticipate and crack in JC's snap count, why did the dummy not change it?

I totally seemed as if they knew exactly and were already running to sack JC, Hence, the O-line looked even way, way more pathetic.

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by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

In OTHER NEWS,

Michael Irvin says that they should get rid of Barron, that RT that held Orakpo last game.

Should we go pitch for him?

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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Sep 12, 2010 8:52 PM PDT reply actions  

you think he will play better than walker?

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

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by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's garbage

Leads the NFL in penalties since coming into the league or something like that.

by duballers23 on Sep 12, 2010 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Damn.

That’s worse than our line. LOLOL

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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Sep 12, 2010 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess I should say my peace on Campbell's status for next week's game against the Rams.

I’m not ready to pull him after one game. The question shouldn’t be about Campbell starting or not because it should be about the offensive line and whether or not they can give him time to throw. Again, I’m not benching my quarterback after one game. Let’s see how he does against the Rams and then I think we should evaluate his status as the starting quarterback.

"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge

by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 12, 2010 8:55 PM PDT reply actions  

+1

If he struggles badly next week and if it’s not just the o-line, then it’s time for Gradkowski. Make some changes on the line if they keep struggling (putting Veldheer at LT, Satele at C, Bruce Campbell for Carlisle, Barnes for Walker maybe), and cut Eugene and promote Stevie Brown. That’s if those guys struggle next week.

by duballers23 on Sep 12, 2010 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not against some offensive line changes.

The biggest problem with the line to me, though, is Mario Henderson and Jared Veldheer. I think I may move Veldheer to left tackle and then have Satele at center like you said. I almost want to give the entire offensive line a second chance to see how they respond and then make changes, but their performance was so bad and they were the biggest thing wrong with the team by a mile.

"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge

by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 12, 2010 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd bench Cooper too

And play Bruce. I think we need to make a push for Mankins and Gaither. If we did that and sured up our inside I’d start Bruce at RT and be willing to let Veldheer grow into the center spot

LT – Gaither
LG – Logan
C – Veldheer
RG – Gallery
RT – Campbell

Maybe Veldheer can grow into being a center, it was his first game so theres still some hope there

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by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I highly doubt Logan will be traded to the raiders though.

simply because if the pats organization is smart, they wouldn’t trade a pro bowl guard to a team who traded their 1st rounder to them for next year.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then I guess start Bruce at RG and have Barnes at RT or Bruce at RT and Langston at RG

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

anyone can be had for the right offer, P

the same was probably said about the likelihood of Seymour coming to Oakland.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ya but giving Logan to us would almost be like never losing a 1st round pick

SO basically they lost Seymour for nothing. Thats how patriotguy describes it to me

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

actually, I had the thought of

“if the pats want to have a pick in the top 10, then giving them mankins would not make sense” type of thing. Because then you guys would probably get more wins, which from a pats ownership standpoint, will not benefit them.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

interesting take...

overthinking it, I think. You’re right about the fact we’d win more games!

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Belichick has a way of ridding the team of disgruntled players in a timely manner

while still getting unprecedented value in return somehow, also relieving themselves of a guy who already cost a pretty penny (I believe a 7 year, 35million deal). He wants more than that, but that’s premier LT type of money, and the Pats don’t pay shit to anyone but Brades… Ask Randy and Logan about that. And a shitload of other quality players that go on to play elsewhere.

Also, the Pats are proving able to replace even their perennial pro bowlers when they decide to go awol like he is, so I think it’s all about a guy like Al putting the right offer on the table, and having confidence we can leverage whatever we give up in the future.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

the Pats don’t pay shit to anyone but Brades… Ask Randy and Logan about that. And a shitload of other quality players that go on to play elsewhere.

Don’t even get me started on how wrong you are on that. I swear to god.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kraft and the organization, perhaps in order to create the winning teams they have...

do not typically pay their guys well. Look it up yourself. It’s why Randy has been vocal about his contract. It’s why Logan isn’t playing and has requested a trade and was “forced to apologize.” Guys come to New England for the chance to win rings, and when they win a few and want big contracts, they’re jettisoned for younger versions Belichick brilliantly picks to fill in.

I don’t know why you’d be so defensive about the fact they don’t pay guys, when it is fact. Brady is Brady, and he’s the first guy Kraft has paid a fat contract in a long time.

You tell me another guy. And why should it bother you, when whatever it is your org is doing is creating winning teams? Paying guys Jamarcus and DHB money has proven shit for us.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

FUCK! I just made a LONG ass post and hit CANCEL!!! NOOO!!!!!

I’ll try and make it shorter, or sum it up. lol

We haven’t paid samuel because he sucks, and is inconsistent.

Mankins hasn’t been paid because he is very stubborn, bad mouthed the Org.(we WANT THAT APOLOGY DMMIT!), an refused top 3 guard money(he wants to be paid as THE top guard).

Moss wil get his contract if he stops whining about it, and produces this season, We’ll pay him if we feel he is worth it.

We PAID, Bodden, Wilfork, Brady, Ty Warren, Gostkowski, and a few others that I can’t name off the top of my head.

As you can see, we DO pay guys, but only guys we feel that are worth it. We didn’t feel asante or Deion was worth it.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

of course paid, just not handsomely, which, like I said, cannot really be criticized

if its producing winners, right? so I’m not really criticizing, but noting, they pay guys less, and win games and contest in playoffs perennially lately. It is rare that rigth choices are not made, which ultimately can kinda piss off us Raider fans who find the formula so incredibly freaking difficult we can’t just get a legitimate couple of stud tackles and guards.

That’s all the Raiders need. So sad we won’t get ’em.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

here's a random list of overall salaries. notice how the Raiders, worst in the league, are at the top

LINK just saying. Nothing you should be defensive about.

"If your only ambition in life, is to be a better person; well, that's just the best ambition you can have..." Wayne "Rabbit" Bartholomew

by brhynno on Sep 12, 2010 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

They didn't look bad this week though

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't be, personally.

I’m telling you guys, Bradford is a VERY good QB. I’m not saying he is Peyton manning good, but he definitely reminds me of him.

He is a very good QB, and I wouldn’t doubt that he would have a good game.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know it's pointed at RR but this is interesting

Depends on how Bradford plays of course

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you think

that Bradford will try to throw at nnamdi?

by bigpimpin on Sep 12, 2010 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think so, but it's very possible.

Bradford loves throwing to Mark Clayton and Asomugha should be on Clayton.

"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge

by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 12, 2010 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

perhaps a big game for #21

or maybe Clayton will crash land on planet Asomugha and will never be seen again. However I will be watching

by bigpimpin on Sep 12, 2010 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he did.

Routt did bad today… and the option Murdered us. We weren’t ready for that.

In Bruce We Trust

by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Sep 12, 2010 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Higgins?

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

o_o....hmmmmm.....

Sounds…Reasonable.

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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Sep 12, 2010 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

NO.

LUKE LAWTON (still active as of NFL.com)

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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Sep 12, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then Higgins..

Why is lawton still active on the NFL.com rosters??

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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Sep 12, 2010 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Campbell had tough going today, no doubt. My problem with him is his inability to adjust and his lack of leadership. He's wooden

stiff, does not inspire and does not alter his tempo to match the line’s capability. Grad, say what you will, does adapt to the situation, and that makes him The Man for the Job given the circumstances. Campbell is not fit for this Offense that was thrust on him but Grad can deal with it – that is his gift, his ability to improvise.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2010 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

If the line keeps stinking, then Grad should go in

We can win with Grad behind a crappy line. He, like Garcia, can find his way through the pressure and deliver good throws under pressure. I’m still holding hope for Campbell behind our line, which hopefully improves in the coming weeks.

by duballers23 on Sep 12, 2010 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I only replace him if the line shows its good and he plays bad

He played decent considering the line, so I dont think this will happen nor will Al let it happen

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eerily like last year - you've hit a nerve with me here

nor will Al let it happen

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2010 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey guys remember the Routt burn for a TD. I noticed Routt turned to Branch as if saying :

“WTF, man, you’re supposed to be here too, it’s called zone”
If so, Branch fuked up, I am in favor of benching his ass if true and start Mitchell, and Stevie Brown right now!!! I doubt they will bounce off RB’s. I believe that in one CJ TD run, Branch bounced off CJ….
But I will not panic, just a suggestion, i wouldn’t be mad to see some different faces on the Safety position… I know many love Branch, but I am now doubtful in him.
Unless he gestured to Huff or Eugene and I saw wrong.

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 12, 2010 9:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Hopefully Branch bounces back, but he did miss some tackles and that pi he had was pretty blatant and led to the td pass.

I would like to see a Brown and Branch safety combo at some point, but if Branch continues to blow plays, which I’m not expecting, then try Mitchell.

by duballers23 on Sep 12, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Branch is fine

Someone has to balance out Huff’s bad run d

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Please.

Titan’s fan here.

You guys are all full of it with the 26-66 stuff.with CJ.

He ran that 76 yd touchdown, Period.

IF my Aunt had a sack,she’d be my Uncle.

by BadV6Blazer on Sep 12, 2010 10:53 PM PDT reply actions  

We are just saying

that other than that run, he only average under 3 yards a carry…

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

this

Basically he had a below average day other than 1 big play

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 12, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know the counterargument will be that he had 145 yards or whatever on 26 carries besides that one negative run.

The thing is that taking away one big play is different than taking away one bad run because he was stuffed and held to three yards or less on countless occasions compared to just that single big run.

"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge

by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 12, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

exactly.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha

CJ for 1,Cj for -2,CJ for 76…..

That’s how we roll.

Titans just get no respect,but that’s okay.

Good luck Raider’x fans,I mean I had y’all against WAS in the ‘83 super Bowl,but c’mon….

by BadV6Blazer on Sep 12, 2010 11:10 PM PDT reply actions  

No respect? I think they had you guys as the favorites this game no?

YOu really want to gloat that you beat the raiders? We are a rebuilding team, with no “break away” player, like you guys have with CJ. Good luck acting high and mighty.

That’s how we roll.

That’s funny. Good luck this season anyways.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 12, 2010 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Going on someone's blog and rubbing the score in their faces isn't the way to go about things when you're unhappy that your star player had 66 yards on the other 26 carries.

You’re lucky I’m pretty nice and that’s all I have to say right now. Just gracefully take your win the same way we’ve gracefully accepted that we lost this game handily.

"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge

by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 12, 2010 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not trying to be a d!ck,just trying to keep things in perspective.

Total Raiders fan I was.George Blanda,Jim Otto, Ken Stabler,Jim Plunkett,Otis Sistrunk,Jack Tatum,John Matuzak,,Haynes and Hayes,Marcxs Allen ect,

Just remarks made me livid.Much respect for you guys.

by BadV6Blazer on Sep 12, 2010 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nobody is arguing that we are a better team. All we are saying is that our running backs pretty much had equal production, and that besides that big run that CJ had, he was held in check the rest of the game. Your team won. Why are you having to come on this blog to spew garbage?

by duballers23 on Sep 12, 2010 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

What Needs Improvement?

The O-Line suffered horribly with most of our flags coming from the offensive line. Coach Cable is an offensive line specialist so this should embarrass him enough to fix the problem in the next two weeks or we can yet again see another head coach for the Raiders. I really want to see what JCamp can do with mediocre protection. The defense needs to stop the big runs but overall they did a good job with taming Cj. Something needs to be done with Stanford Routt, Nhamdi cannot cover both sides of the fiield. Dmac is showing signs of improvement, if only he can continue this improvement for the rest of the season. Our pass offense was nowhere to be seen due to the lack of O-line. Overall we can be great but our future opponents will exploit our great weakness which is the O-line. -Raiders till the end

by Alive Shecried on Sep 13, 2010 12:14 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Things to be improved-

we MUST work on our O-line or we wont win anygames unless teams take it easy and never blitz- which i think they will come on heavy because we cant stop it.

We need to do some zone blitz- we have a great D- why not utilize them?

by Dutch J on Sep 13, 2010 9:34 AM PDT reply actions  

Fixed
3 major things stifling our potential: Shameful OT, Constipated C, and Comatose RG,

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 13, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

WE SUCKED! PERIOD!

O-LINE IS TALL AS TREES BUT CANT BLOCK, SMALLER FASTER D-LINE OF THE TITANS.CENTER IS TO RARE TO START AND CAUSED PROBLEMS WITH THE QB. MAYBE I WILL GIVE CAMPBELL A LITTLE CREDIT THAT HE IS BETTER THAN RUSSELL.SACKED 4 TIMES B4 THE HALF, FUMBLED TWICE,AND 1 INT, NOW TITANS GOT A FG, AND A TD FROM CAMPBELL. HE WAS 22-37 PASSES FOR 180 YDS AT A 69.7 RATING OF PASSING AND HAD 1 TD THROWN. BUT YOU CANT ALWAYS THROW CHECK DOWN PASSES. NOW THE D- 1ST QTR WAS GOOD UNTIL THE SAFETIES BLEW THE PLAY NOT RHOUTT. THAT SAFETY IS SOMEONE I HAVE NEVER LIKED AND HE COST US 3 TD’S, I AM TALKING ABOUT BRANCH. HE BLEW THE PASS TWICE AND HE HAD A CHANCE TO TACKLE JOHNSON AND MISSED AND TACKLED AIR! OUR SAFTIES ARE INEPT! WHERES THE PASS RUSH! YA WE TRIED TO STOP THE RUN AND WE NEED TO LEARN TO TACKLE, BUT VINCE HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO THROW THE BALL. I WOULD REPLACE ALOT OF PEOPLE AT O LINE AND SAFETY.
ITS HARD TO BE A RAIDER FAN WATCHING THIS TEAM PLAY LIKE A POP WARNER TEAM.

by sports with steve on Sep 13, 2010 11:20 AM PDT reply actions  

Ease off on the Caps - they make it difficult to read fast. Yeah, Tyvon's had better games but he also led the D in tackles yesterday

because the LBs keep letting stuff get by them. Looking at the bigger picture, our DC misused them again, our OL coaches should have been fired last January, and our OC did not adjust significantly to allow the rattled-one more short range targets. I’m placing the blame ultimately on HC, Cable, for not only allowing all this shit on his watch but being a primary contributing offender.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 13, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I find it hard to believe that DHB can't run fast in a line the suddenly turn around then

run fast back a little to get a JC pass. But no, Al loves going deep, Hue needs to disregard that BS gameplan and use the WR more close to the first down marker. Just move the chains not go deep for a sudden TD bomb. I saw this throughout the whole game… Our identity is muddled when it’s tampered with, Who are we?
Remember DHB had a good game against 49ers? Why the fuck don’t they utilize him like that, let him cut and juke with his speed, not just run straight to go deep.

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 13, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

My suspicions are also with JC, maybe he doesn't trust them. Gradkowski does.

And you saw how good DHB looked against the 49er starters in Pre, Grads was the QB.

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by JaggerJaw on Sep 13, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

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