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Week 2 Game Recap: St. Louis Rams 14, Oakland Raiders 16

The St. Louis Rams came to town to greet the Oakland Raiders for their home opener. Last week, the Rams fell short of victory against the Arizona Cardinals while the Raiders looked to rebound from an embarrassing effort against the Tennessee Titans. Let's see how this contest went for the two former Los Angeles franchises each looking for the first victory of the season.

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Quarter Breakdowns

First Quarter: The St. Louis Rams won the coin toss, but deferred and elected to kick off to the start the game. Kamerion Wimbley and Tyvon Branch made huge impacts on the first drive for the Raiders with each getting a sack on rookie quarterback Sam Bradford. The Rams were forced to punt and Johnnie Lee Higgins made his presence felt for sure. A 53-yard return by the former UTEP wide receiver set up the Raiders with fabulous field position. After a Darren McFadden run, Darrius Heyward-Bey caught his first pass of the season for a first down. Three straight McFadden runs had the Raiders looking at a fourth down and inches to go. Instead of taking the three points, head coach Tom Cable pushed the envelope with a predictable run up the middle for no gain at the most. St. Louis took over at the six yard line. Running back Steven Jackson smashed through the Raiders on running plays and a screen and basically carried the Rams into Raiders territory all by himself. Then, through the air, Raiders cornerback Stanford Routt was flagged for an illegal contact penalty and then Bradford hooked up with Daniel Fells for a 36-yard gain. Fells made a beautiful catch with one handed, but was injured on the play. After Jackson was stuffed on back-to-back runs, rookie defensive lineman Lamarr Houston sacked Bradford forcing a field goal attempt by kicker Josh Brown. Kicking off the infield dirt from 36 yards out, Brown's kick had the distance but was not successful in getting between the uprights. Getting the ball back, McFadden gained 13 yards on a pitch to the right side. After an incomplete pass to Heyward-Bey, quarterback Jason Campbell hit wide receiver Louis Murphy on the right side who was wide open. That took Oakland into St. Louis territory. After another pass intended for Heyward-Bey fell incomplete, a third down run by McFadden was stopped short and kicker Sebastian Janikowski failed on a 46-yard kick from the dirt infield. Defensive lineman Jay Alford was whistled for encroachment and Steven Jackson found a big hole and ran it down to the Oakland 35 to end the first quarter.

Second Quarter: The quarter began for Jackson where he left off. On third down, Jackson picked up 23 yards on a swing pass from Bradford setting up a goal-to-go situation. Jackson had amassed 100 total yards in just a bit over a quarter. On second down, a play fake to Jackson set up a seven-yard strike from Bradford to a wide open receiver in Mark Clayton. St. Louis had drawn first blood (after first blood probably should've been drawn three times prior) with a 7-0 lead early in the second quarter. Rookie wide receiver Jacoby Ford, who is now the kick returner after wide receiver Yamon Figurs was cut earlier in the week, returned it to the 22. On first down, Murphy drops a pass and then new left tackle Jared Veldheer was flagged for holding. McFadden was stuffed, but then Campbell dumped it off to Reece for a 19-yard gain and then picked up a first down on a pass over the middle to tight end Zach Miller. A few plays later, faced with a third down, Campbell scrambled right and ran for a nine-yard first down into St. Louis territory. Campbell dumped off to McFadden and then hit Reece on a screen pass, but Oakland needed five more yards for a first down; however, the yardage needed for a new set of chains doubled thanks to a false start penalty on right guard Cooper Carlisle. Before Campbell could even look to throw on third down, linebacker James Laurinaitis brought down Campbell. Punter Shane Lechler booted it to wide receiver Danny Amendola and Amendola just called for a fair catch at his own seven yard line. The Rams failed to pick up a first down as Jackson was stuffed twice and Bradford threw an incomplete pass. Punter Donnie Jones' boot wasn't a good one as it took a Raider bounce and the result was even worse for St. Louis than expected after a chop block penalty tacked on 15 yards for Oakland after that punt. The Raiders would begin their next drive at the Rams' 29 yard line. McFadden carried it for a healthy six-yard gain and then a pass intended for Murphy was incomplete although a personal foul penalty took the Raiders to just outside of the 11 yard line. Oakland only went backwards after that, however, as Campbell was sacked and lost the ball. Veldheer pounced on top of the football securing possession and Janikowski's field goal made it to a 7-3 game. Former University of Cincinnati standout Mardy Gilyard returned the kickoff back to his own 26. Amendola picked up a first down working on Routt following the two-minute warning and the Rams were searching for points before the half. On the ensuing play, though, Amendola committed an offensive pass interference and was flagged for it and it all started to go backwards. St. Louis ended up gaining only six total yards on that drive and punted it Oakland as the second quarter was just about done. Two plays later, Rams defensive end James Hall continued to wreak havoc and forced a fumble on Campbell who continues to get no time to throw. Campbell grabbed the ball, ran for a few yards and then hit Miller short of the first down before Miller ran over defenders for a first down. Just two plays later, Rams defensive back James Butler killed the drive as he intercepted an ill-advised pass intended for Murphy over the middle in St. Louis territory. A simple give to Jackson went nowhere and the half was over.

Third Quarter: Some people were clamoring for quarterback Bruce Gradkowski to take over for Campbell, and it was indeed Bruce out there under center as the Raiders' drive started at their own 18 yard line. Gradkowski hit Heyward-Bey for a quick throw resulting in a completion for six yards. On third down two players later following a McFadden run, another quick throw resulted in yet another Heyward-Bey first down. A five-yard McFadden run was aided by a personal foul on St. Louis defensive back Rod Bartell. At midfield out of a shot gun on first down, Gradkowski fired a beautiful pass to Murphy for a big first down over the middle putting Oakland in field goal range. A run for half a yard and an incomplete pass set up a third down. The blitz was too much again and Gradkowski lobbed it for Heyward-Bey in the end zone, but a fantastic play by Bradley Fletcher saw the ball hit the turf and another Janikowski field goal made it a 7-6 game. St. Louis had decent starting position after the bouncing kickoff found its way into Gilyard's arms, but a three-and-out gave Oakland the ball right back. A 40-yard punt by Jones was downed at Oakland's 17 yard line. Back-to-back first down completions from Gradkowski to Heyward-Bey and Miller set up Oakland at the 43 yard line of St. Louis. McFadden got back into the act with a nine-yard run on the left side and he wasn't done there. The next play was a run that went for 23 yards by McFadden on the left side once more. A delay of game penalty was followed up by a tough Gradkowski run an and incomplete pass, so the Raiders needed to convert on third down if they wanted a touchdown. Falling down on third down, Gradkowski fired and found Murphy in the end zone on the right side for a four-yard touchdown pass and the Raiders had their first touchdown of the game. The crowd was absolutely okay and the "Bruce" chants filled the Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum. On the kickoff, returner Mardy Gilyard was absolutely drilled by linebacker Quentin Groves and Gilyard was shaken up. Defensive tackle Tommy Kelly was flagged for a personal foul after the conclusion of the second play and killed some momentum for the men in silver and black. More good Raider defense continued despite the penalty. In an obvious passing situation, Wimbley drilled Bradford for what wasn't the first time and St. Louis was forced to punt. A nice punt by Jones forced Higgins to call for a fair catch at the 11 yard line. With exactly four minutes to go in the quarter, the Raiders offense was back out there and Gradkowski found Heyward-Bey once again on the right side for a huge gain as Darrius was able to break free for some yards after the grab. A two-yard run up the middle by McFadden was followed up with an incomplete pass on a screen that never developed setting up a crucial third down. Murphy was found over the middle, but couldn't stretch out an extra yard and so it was fourth down just into St. Louis territory. Lechler's punt sailed into the end zone and so the Rams would start at their own 20 yard line. Unfortunately for the Rams, for the second straight possession, a three-and-out was the result for St. Louis and the Rams had to punt it back. Jones came on and a short punt took a nice bounce for St. Louis and the end result was a 47-yard boot downed at Oakland's 29 yard line. On a toss to the right side, McFadden carried it for five yards to end the third quarter.

Fourth Quarter: The final quarter opened with more McFadden and he continued to run really well as the Raiders had a first down at their own 43 yard line. A few plays later, the pressure closed in on Gradkowski and a batted ball was to be had in the air. The ball ended up landing safely on the ground and a 15-yard roughing the quarterback penalty was called on safety Oshiomogho Atogwe resulting in a huge play for Oakland. The next play was another flag on the Rams as illegal contact was the penalty. Utilizing McFadden, the Raiders went to the air on a third down play and a great pass from Gradkowski to Murphy allowed for Oakland to move the chains. There's where the drive would stall, however, as another third down pass was intended for Murphy but this time it fell incomplete. A 22-yard field goal by Janikowski extended the lead to 16-7 for the Raiders. The Rams started at their own 23 and safety Michael Huff was flagged for pass interference in on the play against wide receiver Laurent Robinson. On the very next play, Routt picked off a pass intended for Robinson once again. The Raiders didn't move the ball, though, and punted the ball back to St. Louis. Rookie safety Stevie Brown, who was just activated off the practice squad yesterday, nailed Amendola on the return after Lechler's boot. St. Louis gave it right back for yet another three-and-out. After Jones' punt bounced an accidentally hit a Raider special teams player in the leg, Higgins pounced on it for possession. Oakland picked up a few first downs thanks to Heyward-Bey and McFadden and the Raiders kept moving in St. Louis territory with now less than five minutes to go. Some plays later on third down, a tipped pass was intercepted by Rams defensive back Jerome Murphy and the Rams still had a chance to close the gap and make things interesting. Rookie linebacker Rolando McClain was flagged for unncessary roughness after picking up and slamming down Amendola and that cost Oakland 15 yards. Amendola, on the next play, picked up a huge first down. An even bigger play followed that as, for the second time, Bradford hooked up with Clayton for a touchdown. All of a sudden, it was nervous time in Oakland as it was just a 16-14 lead for the Raiders now. All the momentum was gone. McFadden went up the middle for a yard and the second pass for Gradkowski was thrown away intentionally; however, after that pass, Rams defensive tackle Fred Robbins pushed Gradkowski down and was flagged for roughing the passer. Faced with a third down, Oakland knew the pressure was coming. Out of the gun, Gradkowski fired and found Murphy on the left side for a huge first down. On the ensuing play, McFadden rushed for a first down and had compiled 145 yards on the ground at that point. That took us the two-minute warning and the victory formation killed the clock. The Oakland Raiders had defeated the St. Louis Rams, 16-14.

Report Card

Pass Offense: "D+" -- Jason Campbell started the game and he was shaky. The offensive line, of course, was in flux. Everything changed in the second half, though, behind Bruce Gradkowski. The play calling was better, the offensive line looked better and the wide receivers (Louis Murphy and Darrius Heyward-Bey) were a lot more involved in the passing attack. Campbell and Gradkowski combined to complete just 51 percent of their passes with an interception each.

Rush Offense: "A-" -- Darren McFadden anchored the ground attack today and was even more effective in the second half when the Raiders established a passing attack. The only thing that didn't materialize was a rushing touchdown, but that's okay when you get the win.

Pass Defense: "B+" -- Sam Bradford felt pressure and was sacked three times including getting intercepted once. He was moderately effective in terms of the completion percentage and did find Mark Clayton for a few touchdowns. Overall, though, the Raiders did a really good job with the pass defense.

Rush Defense: "A" -- Steven Jackson rushed for just eight yards in the second half and the Raiders really bottled up the St. Louis run game overall the same way they bottled up Titans running back Chris Johnson last week. The difference was that Jackson didn't break a 75-yard run for six points.

Special Teams: "B+" -- The tackling on special teams was really nice. As for the kicking game, Lechler only averaged 43 yards per punt and Janikowski's was 3-for-4. Higgins had a lovely 53-yard return off the first punt although it resulted in zero points. Overall, it was a pretty good performance all things considered.

Some Additional Thoughts and Tidbits

The biggest thing last week was the offensive line and head coach Tom Cable made some changes. Left guard Robert Gallery was injured, rookie Jared Veldheer was moved from center back to his more natural left tackle position, center Samson Satele slotted in there and offensive tackle Mario Henderson was on the bench. The Rams hurried Campbell several times in the first half and sacked him twice. In the second half, the protection was much better and some of that had to do with the plays called by offensive coordinator Hue Jackson. The Raiders went to the shot gun in non-obvious passing situations and Gradkowski made the throws and the plays. Last week, I pointed out that getting Louis Murphy and Darrius Heyward-Bey into the act was essential. The two combined for 12 receptions and really took off in the second half with Gradkowski. Defensively, the pressure was really nice and the Raiders need to continue to do that week in and week out. This was obviously a huge win because you cannot start 0-2 and Oakland now has a lot of momentum. Give head coach Tom Cable a lot of credit for making the quarterback switch at halftime. He deserves as much credit as anyone for the win.

Poll
Who was the player of the game for the Oakland Raiders?
Bruce Gradkowski: 11-for-22, 162 yards, 1 TD
606 votes
Darren McFadden: 30 carries, 145 yards; 2 receptions, 8 yards
828 votes
Louis Murphy: 6 receptions, 91 yards, 1 TD
26 votes

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POTG has to be Bruce

The whole complexion of the game changed on offense and defense from the spark of leadership Bruce brought to the team.

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by oaklandSMASH on Sep 19, 2010 4:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah

I would say the same, though I do understand the votes for McFadden. He was fantastic.

by rightnasty on Sep 19, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm just glad ..

That wasn’t the turning point in the game. But I love the fact that our defense got nasty at the end of the game. It’s something I’ve wanted FOREVER. McClain was beastly on that slam!

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by RaiderCreator5150 on Sep 19, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

and since it didn't cost us

it can be forgiven cuz he’s a rookie and still let his emotions get the best of him.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Sep 19, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

bullshit regardless

he made a fucking tackle – at least he got his moneys worth unlike poor fred robbins hahaha

by lchristmas on Sep 19, 2010 6:09 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

My apologies ..

I was wrong in not seeing that Bruce put the spark in this team that they needed. Offensive line started blocking .. Receivers were catching .. And Run DMC was doing his shit. I especially apologize to Sons for disagreeing with him. I can admit when I’m wrong .. Great recap as always Rated-R!!

We needed that win, Nation. Let us hope Mario stays out and we keep Bruce under center! Just Win, Baby!

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by RaiderCreator5150 on Sep 19, 2010 4:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Bruce is the better QB for this team as it is, if we actually had an O-Lien I’d say differently

Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.

by KA1Z3R on Sep 19, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Line*

Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.

by KA1Z3R on Sep 19, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

They played ..

Better for him then they did for Campbell. Get Satele out and I’ll be happy.

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by RaiderCreator5150 on Sep 19, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

they didn’t just suddenly say “we’ll play better now that Grads is in.” They actually played about the same, just Bruce does better with the bad O-Line

Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.

by KA1Z3R on Sep 19, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

which makes him the better QB

because he can improvise.

I wonder why we all called for him last week…

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 19, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still say Campbell is the better guy, but Grads is the more versatile and spontaneous guy

Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.

by KA1Z3R on Sep 19, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not going to go in a round and roudn argument

so..umm….you believe what you want and i’ll believe what I want.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 19, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

It doesn't really make him the better player but the better fit

Sorta like how Vick may be a better fit than Kolb in Philly

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by dubzfan on Sep 19, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

He had time though in certain situations. He had to roll out .. But they did have slight improvement once Grad came in.

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by RaiderCreator5150 on Sep 19, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

what?

You would rather have “qb killa” henderson protecting our qb’s blindside than have satele playing center? Mario’s statistically the worst LT in football

by AutumnRising on Sep 20, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Bad lines suit Bruce

Good lines suit JC

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 19, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

and somehow

ppl still think JC is the better QB…..

how is it the guy who produces behind crap is the bad QB?

What kind of logic is that?

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 19, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Grads can’t throw a deep pass to save his life and he can’t run like Campbell can for some good yardage (he can run but Campbell seems more natural/better at it). The line makes Grads do what he does best, short quick completions. However, he’s basically limited to just that.

Campbell can do some great things with screen passes and deep throws when he has time. And that’s what our scheme revolves around.

Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.

by KA1Z3R on Sep 19, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

+2

"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here." - Al Davis

by Ozraider on Sep 19, 2010 8:43 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

+1

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 19, 2010 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

i still think we did the right thing in giving campbell another shot before benching him.but after what grad did, he should start

by RyanTheRaider on Sep 19, 2010 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

DHB and DMAC both had breakout games as our last two first rounders are finally taking off. The defense adjusted very well in the second half. Going from blitzing and overpursuing on the run, to letting Henderson gobble up the middle while the backers waited back for Jackson to go into their trap. it’s an old school technique where basically the linebackers play spy and see how the play develops, and wait by fake holes to pounce on the back.

Can’t wait to see Bush added into the mix with the resurgent DMAC.

Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.

by KA1Z3R on Sep 19, 2010 4:25 PM PDT reply actions  

DHB is proving his worth ..

I love every single second of it.

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"It's ours for the taking."

by RaiderCreator5150 on Sep 19, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

6 receptions for he and Murphy, forget Schilens, stick him in the slot. We got 2 legit receivers now

Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.

by KA1Z3R on Sep 19, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I loved the way DMac was running

I’m not talking about the actual runs but the way he was finishing them smashing into opponents!!! This made the Rams thinktwice about tackling him!!!!! And the defense was ridiculous in the second half!!!!!

by americaneagle510 on Sep 20, 2010 8:10 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Bruce Gradkowski is the better quarterback right now.

I can admit that.

"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge

by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 19, 2010 4:26 PM PDT reply actions  

agreed. But Campbell does fit the scheme and personnel better (receiver-wise). If he had an O-Line he’d be very good

Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.

by KA1Z3R on Sep 19, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

But I'll say it over and over as much as other say Campbell is the better QB.

The guy that produces behind the SAME o-line is the better QB.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 19, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

and I can agree to that, but scheme wise, Campbell does fit the team better

Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.

by KA1Z3R on Sep 19, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

He might

on paper.

But what happens on paper is not what happens in reality.

I’m just glad it didn’t take 8 weeks to try Grad this season.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Sep 19, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can drink (sunkist) to that. But if Campbell had a good O-Line and we could finally use the deep ball for our scheme, Campbell would be lighting it up.

But those are if’s, the is’s are that Bruce is the better QB, and this is a bad O-Line

Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.

by KA1Z3R on Sep 19, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

The bottom line is..

We have big speedy WRs that can and should create a deep threat. JC can get them the ball down-field on a regular basis (if he has time) and Bruce cant. But if the o line refuses to grab deep down into their trousers and hold some nuts, then Bruce is our best chance to win.
Im just glad we know we always have a chance to win, even if our O-line sucks.

And Posey is having amother great game.
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by JohnnyDangerously on Sep 19, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

first of all

campbell had his chances with the “deep ball” early on and under threw his man on his first 2 attempts and then over threw dhb down the sideline and second of all how does anybody know how well jc would perform under a good oline? he has never played behind one, not here nor in wash. oh yeah neither has bruce but some how he gets results. and bruce is responsible for the 74 yarder to murph,albeit preseason, for this years long ball and he was also had that 75 yarder last year to,you guessed it, murph, so he can deliver the “deep ball”. as far as who runs better, last year bruce avg. 6 ypc to campbells 5.1 so… and another tidbit about who fits the “scheme” the scheme is to “JUST WIN BABY”!!! p.s. who knows what bruce could produce behind a competent oline since he, like jason, has never had that luxury! my bottom line, “win the whole fuckin thing” ! raiders!!!!!!

by rodeosnake12 on Sep 19, 2010 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

and majorly and pleasantly surprised!

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by brhynno on Sep 19, 2010 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think so.

That doesn’t make sense.

"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge

by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 19, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Remember last year

they pulled Campbell that one game in the half and put JR back in.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 19, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

they pulled JR at the half

put Grad in, the the next game, JR went back in

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 19, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

We didn't win that game, though.

"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge

by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 19, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

we were too far behind

but we still produced. The point is the organization has endorsed Campbell, and so shall it be.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 19, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

plus they wont be as patient with campbell like they(al) was with jr

hence week 2 this year vs. week 9 last, to make a switch. i think bruce will be the week 3 starter, just what i think.

by rodeosnake12 on Sep 19, 2010 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

I've been bleeding Silver and Black for 40 years its time they get back to playing Raider's football

by old raiderdude on Sep 19, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

HAH!

Shanahan just watched a game winning FG get negated by an icing-the-kicker TO, then the redo go wide!

Ain’t that a bitch?

by Ryan Cogdill on Sep 19, 2010 4:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Never.

I hate Shanahan.

Hardcore Raiders Fans are 5150 .. (iBleedSilverNBlack)
"It's ours for the taking."

by RaiderCreator5150 on Sep 19, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hate him too but

I hate the whole Houston Texan organization

Fear is the Mind Killer

by dubzero23 on Sep 19, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hate Ratahan

and Schaub is on my fantasy team

Go texans

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by oaklandSMASH on Sep 19, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmmm ..

I have no feelings towards the Texans .. If it were the Cowboys I’d hate for them to win .. But no feelings for them one way or the other .. I’m sure you have your reasons.

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"It's ours for the taking."

by RaiderCreator5150 on Sep 19, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have bad memories of a very similar situation involving Shanahan. Its poetic. (Normally I have no particular opinion regarding the Skins).

by Ryan Cogdill on Sep 19, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

icing didn't matter

he just missed the next kick…

the reverse has happened many times too.

in the Cal game on fri night tedford used all 3 timeouts in the first half and the guy still made it.

by heartstopper on Sep 19, 2010 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am no way a Bruce fan

But he did the damn thing. We will have to see how he do this week I know The Cards aren’t going to give us the short ball. I think we can beat them but we must put Nnamdi on Fish the whole game

by Micheal Y on Sep 19, 2010 4:29 PM PDT reply actions  

oh no

don’t open that can of worms w/ this troll. You’ll be there forever.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Sep 19, 2010 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Michael Y.... Did you know Grads has a long ball? The short throws were done to balance

from short to long. He doesn’t throw deep, but he can throw long, 40-50 yards long, not 50-60 like JC. I don’t think he watched the game…. He wants the deep ball though… probably all the time..

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by JaggerJaw on Sep 19, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

mike y

whos this guy fish you want nam to cover? ive heard of a “fitz” in az but no fish.

by rodeosnake12 on Sep 19, 2010 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is him

one of the JaFuckFace’s supporters that had an excuse for everything he did and why he should be our starting QB.

When you least expect it there I am waiting below to take you out......if your lucky.

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Sep 20, 2010 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

good win

something to build on

time to make another run to the postseason....get it going guys!!

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 19, 2010 4:30 PM PDT reply actions  

what the fuck

is going on w/ this houston game.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 19, 2010 4:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Horrible officiating ..

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by RaiderCreator5150 on Sep 19, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Finally it's over

Skins lost.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 19, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

next week versus Cards, Cardinals struggle with defending the run twice in a row. The resurgent DMAC and infusion of power in Bush will be a nightmare for Arizona.

Add in an offense that’s actually worse than our own and the Raiders should win, but close once again. Of course this is assuming Grads starts/goes in at half

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by KA1Z3R on Sep 19, 2010 4:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Asomugha will lock him down.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 19, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

him i am worried about, if Derek Anderson wasn’t the QB

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by KA1Z3R on Sep 19, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

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by RaiderCreator5150 on Sep 19, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1000

anderson is decent, other than being immobile, inaccurate and a poor decisionmaker

by lchristmas on Sep 19, 2010 6:12 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I hope they put him on Fitz the whole game ..

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by RaiderCreator5150 on Sep 19, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

if they don’t then it’ll be Routt with safety or linebacker support

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by KA1Z3R on Sep 19, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nnamdi shuts down elite speed players, a slower Fitzgerald will be another day at the office for him. Fitz doesn’t do well against corners who can predict is route running and are equally as physical as he is

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by KA1Z3R on Sep 19, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

he is big

And Posey is having amother great game.
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by JohnnyDangerously on Sep 19, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nnamdi shut down Andre Johnson, I’m not concerned. Especially since Derek Anderson is the QB.

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by KA1Z3R on Sep 19, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t underestimate him if he could actually score more than 7 on the freakin Falcons

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by KA1Z3R on Sep 19, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah its gonna be fun to watch tho

They are actually close in size, i thought fitz was bigger.
He plays big

And Posey is having amother great game.
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by JohnnyDangerously on Sep 19, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is Bush back next week?

Is it me or does Run DMC just look like an absolute BEAST!? I want to see him and Bush combo Bush is already a beast .. The thought of the two of them trading off boggles my mind.

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by RaiderCreator5150 on Sep 19, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll very

carefully say I may be wrong about McFadden. But I sure hope he keeps it up when Bush comes back.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 19, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I say give Dmac 75% of the work and Bush 25% as he heals

And Posey is having amother great game.
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by JohnnyDangerously on Sep 19, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I say 70 to 30

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by KA1Z3R on Sep 19, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

no

And Posey is having amother great game.
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by JohnnyDangerously on Sep 19, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol jk

ill tell cable 70 30. or else

And Posey is having amother great game.
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by JohnnyDangerously on Sep 19, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

But once Bush is fully healed

more like 50/50—we need to be able to pound the middle consistently, and save DMac for the outside game

by Raaddad on Sep 19, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

It sounds like it

I couldn’t see the game today.
But don’t you think a basically even combination of the two (depending on the defenses, etc.) would be the best case scenario?
A sort of “Thunder and Lightnin” approach?

by Raaddad on Sep 19, 2010 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

ideally,

but some backs are better with a bulk load and i think both bush and dmc, judging off dmc’s last 2 games, are better when they arent having to split carries, but a nice 1 2 punch would be outsanding from both!

by rodeosnake12 on Sep 19, 2010 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

thats what i think would be best….also we should a little what we did with bo jackson and marcus allen. have some plays were bush and dmac are on the field on the same time

by RyanTheRaider on Sep 19, 2010 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Once Bush is fully healed

When Bush is fully healed i think the scheme has to be around 50 50 but basically who ever is hot gets the ball. I hate when a runner is breaking through and the coaches worry too much about the balance. If Dmac is having a game like he had tonight you keep feeding the dog and have bush spell him or get his reps but not letting D mac get too tired. And Vise Versa. Im lovin the outlook for our running game.

And Posey is having amother great game.
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by JohnnyDangerously on Sep 19, 2010 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes sir!

and this is just gonna help out that passing game!

by rodeosnake12 on Sep 19, 2010 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

but lets keep things in perspective

this week it was against the rams and last week it was against a titans team that was way ahead. about 20 yards last week came on one play at the end of the 1st half that was long yardage and the titans were playing for the run and didn’t care if they gave up some running yardage.

the second half i think the titans just weren’t keyed up

by heartstopper on Sep 19, 2010 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

cut it how you want,

im just seeing the way he ran against both teams, and the numbers are being put up, i dont care what quarter or what d is being brought.

by rodeosnake12 on Sep 19, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Perspective...

Look at his play. He is running lower to the ground, advancing after contact, taking the hits to the defender and not fumbling.

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by Rich Langford on Sep 20, 2010 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

its simply amazing

Dmc has played two whole games and NOT gotten hurt.

by heartstopper on Sep 19, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

shit house luck, thats all staying healthy in contact sports is

if he was approaching 30 years old i would be skeptical but hes still young and im gonna say he stays healthy, especially the way he was putting pads into guys to finish runs. turf toe and having a knee scoped dont really worry me for the future.

by rodeosnake12 on Sep 19, 2010 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think it is in any way a lock that Bush plays next week.

I hope so, but it will still only be 27 days after a surgery that is said to carry a minimum of 4 weeks recovery.

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by Rich Langford on Sep 20, 2010 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

ohhhh Favre

should have made it to camp. Too bad you suck.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 19, 2010 4:35 PM PDT reply actions  

what a douche

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by brhynno on Sep 19, 2010 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

me or favre?

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 20, 2010 4:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

His Favreness, of course!

thought that was a bit ambiguous! lol I actually predicted Favre’s demise last year, and retracted it after the great season, but his final play almost nullified all of it.

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by brhynno on Sep 20, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

yep

Notoriously has made poor throwing decisions in pressure games when the score is close at the end. Forces the ball into coverage.

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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Sep 20, 2010 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like Rated R said, Bruce is better for this team.

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by JaKe. on Sep 19, 2010 4:38 PM PDT reply actions  

KA1Z3R said that, but I believe it now.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 19, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm a believer now ..

As well.

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by RaiderCreator5150 on Sep 19, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

In Bruce we trust!

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by brhynno on Sep 19, 2010 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

as was i, and I really wanted him to start this year

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by KA1Z3R on Sep 19, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

gruden was a beliver, thats why he drafted him,

and if gruds says grads can play, then i damn sure believe him. some guys blossom late, or just dont get the breaks and are weaned out.

by rodeosnake12 on Sep 19, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have to go do uhh…Other things with grass. Good game. Let’s keep it up.

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by JaKe. on Sep 19, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t want to know lol

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V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
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by KA1Z3R on Sep 19, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

got cut it before you smoke it

why imply. we all know what you mean, don’t be shy.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 19, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cut it before the game

Benefit of living in the Central Time Zone.

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by Rusty23 on Sep 19, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

My problem with Cable/Davis and this O-Line, is you could have made it better but you just said “the top-2 guys are gone, let’s not bother” FYI, the O-Line was your biggest weakness. I love McClain but come on. Bulaga is a great run blocker and surprisingly doing well with the pass and Anthony Davis didn’t look too bad in the draft.

And there is a guard named Iupati who would have been a nice touch at G over Carlisle

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by KA1Z3R on Sep 19, 2010 4:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah

That’s going to be a question for a long time. Especially since we don’t have a #1 pick next year, and there maybe not even be any football.

by rightnasty on Sep 19, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

true

And Posey is having amother great game.
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by JohnnyDangerously on Sep 19, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ro IMO will be a huge star, he is a great leader and has played very well in his 1st 2 games

I’m not worried about that since I think BC and Ro will both be really good.

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by dubzfan on Sep 19, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

defending the run has been the bigger issue for this 7 year itch

and that was the #1 concern apparently. i dont mind, were are rebuilding and just had to choose one side off the ball on our first 2 picks, and hopefully veld and cambell will be good oline man in the future.

by rodeosnake12 on Sep 19, 2010 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Houston and Ro will sure that up in time

Also Henderson is helping a LOT

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by dubzfan on Sep 19, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess Sons is @ the game

but I’m sure he’ll have some “I told you so” to say.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 19, 2010 4:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Question is

Is he going to blame Tyvon for that Rams TD pass?

by rightnasty on Sep 19, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

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V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
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by KA1Z3R on Sep 19, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 19, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

i don’t, it was a good play call by the Rams and it worked to perfection. Sometimes you just can’t beat a great play call

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by KA1Z3R on Sep 19, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 19, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh I know

Just if he decides it was Tyvon’s fault, we’ll be hearing about ALL week long.

by rightnasty on Sep 19, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

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V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
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by KA1Z3R on Sep 20, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually Death Ro bit on the play-action...

They showed the replay and you can see he took a couple steps forward to stop the run, if he would have stood his position and not bite, he probably could have broken up the pass. But as was said it was a great play call, given the fact that they were feeding Jackson alot.

But the D I think played well and didnt give up the big play.

Lets do it again in AZ!!!

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by RaiderDevastate1 on Sep 20, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Raiders are officially set at every position except O-Line. And with no O-Line we go nowhere. This team is incredibly close to being great.

Just move Walker to RG and get Barnes at RT or maybe even Campbell. Walker is just too slow for RT, Campbell is agile and would work wonders there.

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V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
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by KA1Z3R on Sep 19, 2010 4:51 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 19, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

u know loper didnt play that bad today either, he laid a few guys out. especially when he was pulling on power plays and stuff. if u can convince me NO one is betr then walker at RT, then i could settle w/ loper at RG…. carlisle is just to damn weak.

by frank7da2tank on Sep 19, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Loper struggled to run block at times. Led to stuffed runs going to his side, but he is a very good backup

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V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
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by KA1Z3R on Sep 19, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

usually on the zone stuff

is where he didnt look so hot. id still take him over carlisle though.

by frank7da2tank on Sep 19, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

which is very true and after film study is very accurate. But on those power plays of, run forward and plow the guy in front of you as far back as possible, he did spectacularly. Reminds me of Walker in that regard

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V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
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by KA1Z3R on Sep 20, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

but i would change the word great to good. Experience will make them great

And Posey is having amother great game.
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by JohnnyDangerously on Sep 19, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

We just beat the worst team in the league by two points,

and you’re saying that were close to being great? I love the young talent, and love the win, but lets not get carried away

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by pfeifer on Sep 19, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

but look at the good things that happened

and the momentum switch and the proof that the Raiders can play.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 19, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

pfeifer, Just the excitement. We are not close to being great. We just need to be consistently good, and win games.

The penalties killed us a little, they will be cleaned up, don’t forget the O was stagnant in the fist half because JC did not look good. We would’ve beaten them by two TD’s if Grads started the whole game and the penalties were reduced. (specifically, the penalties on the D).
We will beat the Cards and we will go 2-1. We have never been 1-1 in a long time, hopefully we go 2-1 against the lowly Cards.

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by JaggerJaw on Sep 19, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

pfiefer

look at the stat column not the points, as i was scratching my head as to why it was close. we dominated down the sheets outside of the score, and turnovers as we wwere -1, but from total yards to 3rd down comp.% to time of poss. we really played way more dominately than the scoreboard, and the bright side is we got the win instead of all for not. some better coaching decisions in the red zone with a few less mishaps and this could have been a blow out. i know shoulda woulda coulda, but its a win.

by rodeosnake12 on Sep 19, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

but as always that is on paper. Of course something in terms of execution will go wrong. Maybe the O-Line stops blocking so good, or Campbell’s accuracy slips, etc. On paper though, the line needs a couple rearrangements and one more quality player (RT) and i think the offense would be set.

The skill positions are solid, the running game is looking revitalized, the pass rush is there even with four men, great swarm tackling, etc. Of course, Campbell’s consistency is the lynch-pin.

Gradkowski as a QB is 7-9, Campbell gets us 5-11. Sad to say it, but it’s true. One more year of development and cohesion on defense, one more player on the O-Line, and a year of development for the receivers and Campbell could really put us a division winner.

Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
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by KA1Z3R on Sep 20, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bruce may be the better fit for this line since he likes to "freestyle" back there

JC likes to follow the script, I say just have a competition for the job this week. I don’t think behind a good line Bruce would work well since he isn’t really a guy to sit in the pocket and throw but run around and throw.

But we don’t have a good line so right now Bruce may be the better choice. JC is a good fit with the skill position guys but he’s not the fit for this line. I don’t see either QB being the permanent guy until the line is 100% set which it isn’t.

On another note, I just heard on NFL network Kolb is the starter in Philly over Vick. If Vick isn’t in Philly next year I say get him over here ASAP.

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by dubzfan on Sep 19, 2010 4:53 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

agreed on everything, including the Vick thing. Eagles are stupid not to start him

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by KA1Z3R on Sep 19, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well

1) Andy Reid is an idiot, no doubt.

2) Is he trying to be strategic and lying so Jax prepares for Kolb?

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 19, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

doubtful on 2, he loves Kolb like he did McNabb. Similar guys, but Vick has the big arm for DeSean and makes a lot of amazing plays. He’s a changed man too and I see no character issues

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V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
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by KA1Z3R on Sep 19, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah?

wasn’t he just almost in trouble during the preseason?

There are better players than Vick, and the Raiders don’t need the stigma, justified or not, that will come w/ him.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 19, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

almost but not. I don’t know, I’m pulling for the guy. I just love QB’s who are unafraid to run

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by KA1Z3R on Sep 19, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't mind QB's that scramble

to save the play or get out of the sack, but a RB is called a RB for a reason. I don’t like Vick, and don’t think he needs to be here. He’ll never change his image, no matter how hard he tries, because even if it’s almost in trouble, it’s still too close to being trouble.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 19, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

the almost was

an uninvited guest was at his party that vick is NOT suppose to associate with. whether the guy really was uninvited is a matter of debate but the commish seemed to believe it and i don’t think he will give vick any slack just for the heck of it

by heartstopper on Sep 19, 2010 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think

I would be more worried about the judge than the commish. But still he shouldn’t be putting himself in that position.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 20, 2010 4:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

who cares about the stigma

we are the raiders

And Posey is having amother great game.
You're the worst Al Capone

by JohnnyDangerously on Sep 19, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Vick will come cheap

and his age is decieveing because he hasnt been getting hit for close to 5 years now. Too temping to let go.

And Posey is having amother great game.
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by JohnnyDangerously on Sep 19, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

* deceiving

And Posey is having amother great game.
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by JohnnyDangerously on Sep 19, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

No I think there just trying to commit to Kolb

I say if Vick wants to start get him over here. I like Bruce and JC but neither are great, both just good. Vick lead ATL to the NFC title and still has game. I don’t care what happens with our QB’s unless one of them bursts into a beast, I want Vick

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"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 19, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Grads could get us to 7-9 and i would still take Vick

Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
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by KA1Z3R on Sep 19, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Unless Bruce turns into Gannon which I doubt. Vick looked amazing

" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 19, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

He could be like gannon though. I can see that

And Posey is having amother great game.
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by JohnnyDangerously on Sep 19, 2010 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

we had this argument last year.

Gannon was a journey man w/ a not so big arm that succeeded here. There is ALOT of Gannon in Gradkowski.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 19, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is but Rich was a better pure passer

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‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Sep 19, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I never said he was Gannon

I said he is Gannnon-esque

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 19, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

He fires the team up like Gannon could

maybe even better; and the clutch performances compare thus far

by Raaddad on Sep 19, 2010 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

and the improvision

and the apparent intelligence.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 19, 2010 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

the ability to see the field, where the pressure coming from

and to go through his progressions without tipping off d backs.

Campbell looked alarmingly like Russell in his holding on to the ball. He seems to lack the internal clock himself, and in a big way. Wouldn’t you think he’d learn these guys can’t hold blocks, considering he’s been crunched from the backside more times than I can count now in two weeks?

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by brhynno on Sep 19, 2010 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

i like how you stated grads going through his progressions

something campbell hasnt showed me yet. he isnt scared to just stare down his target and not look a db off.

by rodeosnake12 on Sep 19, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

clearly we saw that with the raiders

but he had never shown it before

by lchristmas on Sep 19, 2010 6:16 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Because

the Raiders put their confidence in him and let him run the show. He never got a fair shake anywhere else.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 19, 2010 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bruce hasnt shown here the passing ability of Rich

He’s only around 50% for completion % on average and today he was 11-22.

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by dubzfan on Sep 19, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gannon also had Rice and Brown to throw to

and the Gruden offensive scheme in place;
we will not see their like again, I’m afraid . . .

by Raaddad on Sep 19, 2010 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

And a young Porter and Garner

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by dubzfan on Sep 19, 2010 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Garner was huge that year

so clutch, and such a part of the dink a dunk, Gruden game.

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by brhynno on Sep 19, 2010 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

with blood running down his forehead!

that was the shit! we punched fools in the mouth relentlessly! No defense had an answer for that attack.

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by brhynno on Sep 19, 2010 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

it was like watching the boys from the 70's!

i saw some of that style today for the first time since well 8+ years! it felt good to see that!

by rodeosnake12 on Sep 19, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I saw that stat too

but he accomplished w/ those stats. I never said he’s the 2nd coming of Gannon. I said he’s Gannon like.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 20, 2010 4:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would say

Grad is closer to Plunkett in terms of not great talent but some how gets the job done. Gannon was a maniac/beast student of the game that willed himself to be better.

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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Sep 20, 2010 6:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

yep,

so he better wait about 6 more years and 2 more teams before that can happen

by rodeosnake12 on Sep 19, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

plunkett.....

patriots, niners, raiders. one more team. then again both the pats and the 9ers may have been worse than the raiders are

by heartstopper on Sep 19, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Disagree, Campbell needs more time to learn the playbook perfectly and build chemistry.

Let him learn it in the bench and be ready for next year. I noticed how Gradkowski did the same identical throw JC did on his interception to Murphy, Gradkowski is more accurate than JC and hit Murphy with that same play.

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by JaggerJaw on Sep 19, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah I agree. Campbell could be very special, but he should know this stuff by now.

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by KA1Z3R on Sep 19, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well

I thought he was a good QB. Doesn’t that mean know the plays?

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 19, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

That sounds like an argument I would make.

That’s interesting. That word I was throwing around…chemistry

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 19, 2010 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

As the French would say,

he has a certain Je ne sais pas.
Hard to say what “what” or “it” is, but he’s got “it.”

by Raaddad on Sep 19, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

campbell knows the playbook better than grad!

remember hue wasnt here last year so this is also a new playbook for grad aswell and campbell has had since may with the 1st team to get his shit right while grad was healing up.

by rodeosnake12 on Sep 19, 2010 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really?

After what you saw and how well he played, you still think Campbell knows the playbook better?

Or did you miss the word “should” in there somewhere?

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 20, 2010 4:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

mike

someone stated campbell needs more time with this new playbook and i just stated that its new to all the players with jackson’s first year here, and jc has been exposed to it longer than grad due due grads injury stebacks, so i guess jc “should” now it better since he has had more 1st team reps and he still looks lost out there, scary.

by rodeosnake12 on Sep 20, 2010 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Then that means Grads is better then, because he came in and lit it up by moving the chains-

Making our WR’s look like All Stars. Legit 1 and 2 WR’s. He knows the Playbook better. He knows the routes the WR’s are running and throws it ahead of them when they go deep for them to make the catch. JC has been very inaccurate, he can’t do the same. He needs more time to learn the WR’s routes perfectly, not just know the plays.

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by JaggerJaw on Sep 20, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd have to guess

that Grad studied while hurt.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 20, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

knowing his style

he probably was getting reps before or after practice while on crutches or something. i dont think he leaves the facility to often! very gannon like

by rodeosnake12 on Sep 20, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1,000,000,000,000

trillion

And Posey is having amother great game.
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by JohnnyDangerously on Sep 19, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I loved the McClain body slam. I will search You Tube to see it again and again.

Stupid penalty though. McClain could’ve cost us the game with that body slam…. I blame the NFL’s whack rule of prohibiting it….

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by JaggerJaw on Sep 19, 2010 4:55 PM PDT reply actions  

McFadden panning out (sort of), DHB looking good, McClain making plays (and costing some with rookie errors) first round picks post-Russell looking good

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by KA1Z3R on Sep 19, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't want to be picky

It was more of a release german suplex into what looked a version of the rock bottom. LOL

The crowd went nuts over that play. Here is the best one I sa of the tackle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G94Y4juXhXg

by bslack32 on Sep 20, 2010 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

And Posey is having amother great game.
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by JohnnyDangerously on Sep 19, 2010 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bruce all the way!

He got the ball rolling on O and you could feel the change in the air with him in the game. Bruce is the man. Game 3 starter is Bruce!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When you least expect it there I am waiting below to take you out......if your lucky.

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Sep 19, 2010 4:59 PM PDT reply actions  

After the game, Plunkett and the other announcers

talked a lot about the MAJOR change in momentum and play once Bruce came in

by Raaddad on Sep 19, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

The energy boost was palpable.

I am sorry for all you people who weren’t there.

by Spirals galore on Sep 19, 2010 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

and papa and flores made a grad and snake comparison

and i think thats coming from they both play with a set and dont accept losing only winning no matter how ugly it is, a win is a win!

by rodeosnake12 on Sep 19, 2010 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

In Bruce we Trust!

and start week 3 he must!!!

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by brhynno on Sep 19, 2010 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I FOUND THE BODY SLAM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoqzSrJrGxo

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by dubzfan on Sep 19, 2010 5:00 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Yep

(yes, it was a penalty)

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by JaggerJaw on Sep 19, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

we would have too.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 19, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

i wasnt worried

we were up by 2 scores and our d was playingat a very high level that 2nd half. i was glad to see it from mcclain because i was wondering if he had a mean side and that sold me.

by rodeosnake12 on Sep 19, 2010 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

it was stupid

it was also forgiveable for a rookie to lose control of his emotions.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 20, 2010 4:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Coulda, woulda, shoulda

but never did. What ifs never sell. The end result is what matters and in the end Ro dropping the hammer may just give the D a nastiness it has not seen for quite sometime.

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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Sep 20, 2010 6:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

amen lyle!

there are a few old school raiders in the sky that were ear to ear after that shit ro layed down in the colisium!

by rodeosnake12 on Sep 20, 2010 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

bs penalties. it's called a tackle

and that’s what it looks like when a 260 pound man tackles a sub 200 pound guy. At least we got some of the calls back.

Don’t get me wrong. We’ve gotta stop the penalty nonsense, like yesterday.

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by brhynno on Sep 19, 2010 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

penalties are never good, but that slam could set off a real mean streak with this defense. I loved every second of it when i watched the game live. The penalty didn’t even phase me. Knew bruce would win the game for us. That’s just what he does. He’s a winner

by Christian Singer on Sep 20, 2010 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

And Posey is having amother great game.
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by JohnnyDangerously on Sep 19, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you see Groves after the TACKLE, he was fired up

by RyanTheRaider on Sep 19, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he needed

to do that.

He needs to get the blood flowing.

by xville on Sep 20, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Out guys, gonna eat cheese puffs and play Red Dead

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by KA1Z3R on Sep 19, 2010 5:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Let me know

How it is. Was thinking of getting it.

by rightnasty on Sep 19, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fun as hell.

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by JaKe. on Sep 19, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

literally the best game ever

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V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
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by KA1Z3R on Sep 20, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't care fore it.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 20, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not So Fast My Friends

Lots of props to Tom Cable for making the change at QB but Jason should be the starter and get pull if he is not getting anything done. Once again our offensive line let us down and if you all have noticed most of the time Bruce is in the shotgun. McFadden had a good game but when was the last time he had back to back games like that? It was college so don’t toot his horn yet. Once again and as usual penalties by us made the game close especially when we have them at 3rd downs. Arizona can beat us because they have a good running game and Derek Anderson beat us when he was with the Browns.

by Archangel25 on Sep 19, 2010 5:21 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

so you're saying

put Campbell in, even though he’s proven so far he can’t do it, then pull him at the half, and make Grad have to pull the team together and work EVEN HARDER to come from behind?

Ummmmm what? Why should Campbell start when Grad proves he can produce behind this line?

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 19, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fun Fact: Branch is now accountable for 5 TD's that opponents have scored against us.

He has always been “guarding” the guy catching the ball in the End Zone. And missed a CJ tackle for a TD. And Nate Burned him when he didn’t help Routt. On both TD’s today against the Rams he was close to the reciever and sucked. I’m all for getting someone else in there. He is the only Raider that did not and is not impessing me. It’s two games now that he has been burned or let a TD happen.

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by JaggerJaw on Sep 19, 2010 5:23 PM PDT reply actions  

That TD wasnt his fault

It was Ro’s , Ro had a middle zone and bit on the run, Branch had the right side. Not his fault

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by dubzfan on Sep 19, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

o_o....

1) We established that Ro let the middle open. For that TD.

2) That was great feet by Clayton. He was there.

>_>….Go watch the tape. And like I said before, who else do we put in?

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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Sep 19, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

And I’m for changing this zone defense that allows the other team to always match up their best wide receiver against a strong safety, the same trick that our defense falls for time and time again. We’re supposed to be learning from our mistakes. Do the same thing over and over again, and expect the same results.

by rightnasty on Sep 19, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

POTG? DeathRo

I heard the Rams player said he looked like a bitch.

It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.

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by AlabamaJammer on Sep 19, 2010 5:25 PM PDT reply actions  

yes, that was in jest considering he went ole on the TD.

/sad panda

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by AlabamaJammer on Sep 19, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heyward-Bey and Murphy combined for 11 touchdowns Rated R?

I’m kidding, but seriously I was kind of hoping for them to struggle so this would happen at the half. Bruce is the better QB because it takes more than a big arm and being tall to be a good QB. EX: see Drew Brees and Jeff Garcia. The entire team was electric once he came in. Steven Jackson had 60 yards rushing on 10 carries and after Bruce came the defense was so fired up they held him to 15 on 9 carries the rest of the way. Also Stanford Routt made a beautiful one-handed pick late on one on one coverage at the end. That play redeemed him for last week’s horrible bite on the Washington TD. This week, Cable needs to start Bruce and Marshall needs to have Nnamdi shadow Larry all game long. They have already fixed the debacle of cutting Stevie Brown by bringing him up from the PS and cutting Pears. They also moved Veldheer to LT which should have been done since last week. Now it seems everything is set up for the rest of the season to be much improved.

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by TAW on Sep 19, 2010 5:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Fixed.

I meant to say receptions, of course.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 19, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huff and Branch still suck

Branch gave up a td and huff missed an easy pick.

Told you so on the offensive line, it just needed better QB play.

We all knew Bruce was good, it was just a question of whether JC would step up. Guess not.

Awesome game by Bey. Crabtree who?

by Sbay on Sep 19, 2010 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Crabtree who?

They guy who kicked ass last year in limited time and no training camp

“Branch gave up a td and huff missed an easy pick.”

omg, it was zone coverage and Ro bit on the PA and it was in his zone. Not Branch’s fault and Huff still knocked it down, good play no matter how you spin it

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by dubzfan on Sep 19, 2010 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is the message that we sent and we were heard, Play Grad, move Veld to LT, elevate Stevie Brown, cut Pears, keep McClain home

give Bush until Texas to heal. Pretty good week, Brother. Though, apparently they didn’t heed our warning about SS.

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by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 19, 2010 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm just glad

they started rotating those tackles on the left side.

I’d like to see Bruce Campbell come in on some of those red zone running downs so we can really move some folks outta the way.

As far as Bruce coming in, I think that was the best move Cable has made so far.

I’ve always liked the idea of changing quarterbacks to keep the other team off balance, and to attack in different ways.

by xville on Sep 19, 2010 6:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Really?
I’ve always liked the idea of changing quarterbacks to keep the other team off balance, and to attack in different way

Bull. Last year you were ALL OVER Russell and he couldn’t do any wrong. And now you think it’s a good idea to change QB’s? Wow.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 19, 2010 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure, we used to have

a quarterback who’d come in on red zone plays and always score -Vince Evans?

The coach made the mistake of keeping him in for the whole game, and his play deteriorated because of his age.

That season would have been perfect to alternate quarterbacks, because we had one who could get us down the field, but just couldn’t get it in, and one who couldn’t handle a whole game, but was magic in the red zone.

by xville on Sep 19, 2010 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

then why were you so against

playing Grad last year and said until they finally benched him, that Russell was good?
 
And what is this comment supposed to say? That Gradkowski can’t play a whole game or what?

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 20, 2010 5:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just figured Russell was slow

and Al was spoiling him. With the money invested in him, I wanted him to get as much experience as possible, even with losses. I figured we were gonna have the same or nearly the same win ratio as the previous year, so I concentrated on draft picks early into the season.

Russell wasn’t good, but he shined in some crucial games, and bested a few significant rivals: Shanahan & Grudy; I thought he had the potential to be one of the greats in the NFL, but he had even bigger issues than I thought.

I always thought Bruce would be a great backup for the playoffs because of injury concerns.

But with the QB’s we have right now, even our third stringer, I’d be open to some innovative QB rotation.

by xville on Sep 20, 2010 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Vince Evans?

UR so delusional. Evans hat a rocket of an arm and got the O downfield but somehow he always found a way to turn it over. His play deteriorated because he made poor decisions and forced the ball. He had a and probably still has a rifle for an arm.

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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Sep 20, 2010 6:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

He seemed to make

good decisions in the red zone, not forcing much of anything when they brought him in. He was money in the bank.

But, he couldn’t handle a full game. He was the oldest QB in the league at the time.

by xville on Sep 20, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

great micromanaging moves today by al

bringing in bruce, who he hates, at halftime, and calling for blitzes

al controls everything, correct? why no love for his adjustments

and yes, its a 2 point win against the “worst team in the league” but i’ll take it when juxtaposed against numerous “games we should have won at home” in recent years that ended up being complete bed-shits

by lchristmas on Sep 19, 2010 6:20 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

ummm

can you prove that Davis hates Gradkowski or are you just gonna spout bull?

I think Davis saw at half time we were not doing well and loosened the reins a little.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 19, 2010 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let's hope he backs off for good.

Gradkowski makes Cable look good. Maybe Cable won’t be afraid to start his guy going forward.

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by TAW on Sep 19, 2010 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

if he wants to coach next year

he’ll keep him in

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 20, 2010 5:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

ummmm

I am parroting and exaggerating the comments of someone (and I don’t care enough to go and see who it was) who was claiming this, something to do with him coming from tampa and a “gruden guy” or some such

by lchristmas on Sep 19, 2010 6:29 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

It was me - glad my words made an impression

Just a clarification – it was not a “claim,” but a speculation – just as Mike’s above.

by Spirals galore on Sep 19, 2010 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

glad someone mentioned this issue

funny how people blame AD for the losses, but don’t say anything positive about the wins.

I don’t see Campbell starting. He seems to be lost out there, maybe its too much pressure. Looking back to the training camp. I remember the tweets from Jmac and I didn’t remember great plays from Jason in camp. The best plays were made by Bruce late in camp when he was somewhat healed. It looks like Bruce has the energy and quick decision making to get the job done consistently. Knock on Wood.

by Sbay on Sep 19, 2010 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sbay.... he loves the deep ball and what does Jason have? It's like simple math.

I will not credit Al, It was actually Jackson who made the call and Cable aggreed they needed a spark. I noticed Gradkowski getting in Jacksons ear and just talking to him before halftime. Jackson was probably impressed and just put him in, especially as JC was not moving the chains. I saw this situation in a cameo of the sidelines, while JC was playing.

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by JaggerJaw on Sep 19, 2010 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Al obviously doesn't make the calls from upstairs

if someone believes irrationally that Al makes all the decisions then, Jackson made the change as ordered by Al

If you believe that Al just puts the team together, the team did great.

“blame AD for the losses” speaks to the whole situation not just the switch.

It’s only simple English. lol

by Sbay on Sep 20, 2010 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's actually only simple logic. "lol"

Al wants Campbell to succeed because he doesn’t want to be let down again, But Cable knows his job would’ve been on the line if he didn’t do something fast, especially against these lowly Rams.
This win and Grads play will give the staff ammo to tell Al that it was a needed move. Al did not call down and said: “Put in Gradkowski” He was in the VIP booth the whole time and never moved. People can see him, I bet even newspapers are keeping an eye on that (if he ever grabs a phone).
*
So no, get off his sack, it is obvious what you are trying to imply. This has been going on for 7 years. You make no sense with your weak logic. I bet if you ever met Al….. lol

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by JaggerJaw on Sep 20, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

My biggest concern....

Is that we seem to put up pretty damn good numbers everywhere except on the scoreboard. 16 points against the Rams doesn’t inpire much confidence in me. It’s still a win, and I’ll take it, but we are going to have to be more productive in the points category going forward or it will be a very long season.

A step in the right direction though. GO RAIDERS!

by TexasRaider20 on Sep 19, 2010 6:30 PM PDT reply actions  

We did only score 16 points, but we scored 13 points in the second half and that's when Gradkowski was in the game.

We were headed for more points in the second half so we could have had 20 or 16, but we just killed the clock in the end. For the second week in a row, our running game was very good.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 19, 2010 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think either QB would have gotten us 16ish points

We drove the ball very well in the 2nd and really got momentum until the pick

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by dubzfan on Sep 19, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the play calling did improve in the second half for sure.

We adjusted and that was a part of the second half surge. I think we can put up 20 points next week and that may be enough.

"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge

by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 19, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

True dubzfan, but we would've lost then 31-16. The energy before was disgusting.

The crowd didn’t help in the 1st half when JC was playing. If you take out the crowd, the team will not be inspired. Unless you want to go to a Raider game and yell JC!!! JC!!! JC!!! Gradkowski inspires everyone, the fans and the players. Good luck in trying to convince people that JC has some fire to him and draws inspiration. Go to a game and cheer for him then, lets see what happens…….

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by JaggerJaw on Sep 19, 2010 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well if you think about it

If you add in missed field goals and that 4th and 1 the Raiders went on instead of going for the field goal…the score could have been 22-16 Raiders. This isn’t college football where style matters. An ugly win is still a win

by bslack32 on Sep 20, 2010 1:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think settling for field goals is the least of my concern.

I predicted a close score but for Oakland to be in control. If you look at the stats we were in control. If this team can continue to shut down runners like they did in the 2nd half today, with Bruce we have a chance at winning any game. Next up, shut down Hightower and Larry.

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by TAW on Sep 20, 2010 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gradkowski did well in relief...

Bur before we get all over his jock, let’s remember that for whatever reason, he also benefitted from Hue Jackson pulling his head out of his ass and calling plays that were designed to deal with heavy pressure. For whatever reason, there were no calls for rollouts, short hitches, slants, etc, the previous 6 quarters. That said, I like the way that he made very quick decisions; although there were some that could have gone much worse, he does get the ball out quick, and is accurate enough. He has earned the chance to start next week.

SOB, it appears that you were right; while I saw some of the change coming from improved play calling, I think that Gradkowski played well. I expect that there would have been a change next week if it didn’t happen this game, and I still stand by waiting a little longer, but it looks to be the right move.

As for this showing the rest of the NFL anything: puh-leeze. That comes when you can win more than one game in a row, when you can control the LOS, when your offense is able to do what it wants when it wants, when your defense is able to force three-and-outs regularly, etc. What this game proves is that we won’t go 0-16. A nice win, but as I have said before: don’t get too low after a loss, or too high after a win.

Next week is winnable, but the OL still stinks…

Failure builds character; success reveals it

by signcut on Sep 19, 2010 6:58 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

OL is not the biggest issue...... obviously

as I’ve mentioned before, the same OL that took Gannon to the Super Bowl, sucked with George at QB. Not to say they can’t get better or that they shouldn’t get better. But today we saw that the OL looks better immediately when a good QB is in there, or a QB who is playing good at the time.

Right now, other than QB and play-calling, the safeties have been awful. Tyvon Branch got beat twice for TDs. The first, playing cover 2 which everyone jocks, then again playing cover 2 but the pass was more in the middle of the field. Either way, we need better play from Branch. Bring in Stevie Brown at SS.

Lets not forget, that if Bruce G gets injured (knock on wood that it doesn’t happen), we still need better backup QBs than Campbell and Boller. I put that squarely on Jackson and AD’s shoulders as well as holding the players accountable. I’m okay with Boller as backup but JC has played so poorly I think we should really be worried.

by Sbay on Sep 19, 2010 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

OL is not the biggest issue...... obviously

Bull shit, out tackles suck and we are shaky at RG and center. 2002 had guys like Kennedy, Stinchcomb Robbins etc.

Bring in Stevie Brown at SS

He’s a FS and Branch did really well against the run and the 1st TD wasn’t his faul, it was Ro’s.

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by dubzfan on Sep 19, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

no difference, he played LB and FS in college

Bullshit, Robbins and Kennedy played with Geoff George. They sucked. Put in Gannon, they play great.
Biggest issue is QB. The line will work out fine once the right combination is put together.

by Sbay on Sep 19, 2010 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Mario and Langston are not starting tackles and Coop isnt a starting RG. Satele is just average and Gallery is a bit above average. The line back then was much better than this one

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by dubzfan on Sep 19, 2010 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

the whole is greater than the sum of its parts

I’m sure this is true with almost all team sports.

by Sbay on Sep 20, 2010 1:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right

And the Line just happens to be a massive part of the entire picture, with this line we wouldn’t survive a half in the playoffs or against a contender

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by dubzfan on Sep 20, 2010 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow

That is a very different opinion than mine.

The problem with trying to equate how George played behind the line that Gannon played behind is… George sucked behind every line, and was never the type of QB that could play in a WCO, period.

The line play is terrible. Part of what helped Gradkowski was Jackson pulling his head out of his ass and calling a better game. That is not the only reason, he did well, but the play calls were markedly different. That doesn’t mean that Gradkowski shouldn’t start next week, but to say that OL isn’t a glaring problem…?

Wow.

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by signcut on Sep 19, 2010 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

glaring problem OL, biggest problem QB?

400 Yard Offense. Backup RG. New RT. Backup LT.

Hmm, could the whole be greater than the sum of it’s parts?

So you guys are saying what, if the Raiders had New England’s OL, then JC would play like Brady?

Ol definitley would help take the team to the next next level. It IS good enough today to be 8-8, winning against teams the Raiders should beat. Is it good enough to deal with an elite defense, not yet.

The biggest issue, biggest > glaring, is the QB.

I like how Dubz contradicts himself by saying the OL is the biggest problem, then writes a big post about trading for Vick, offerring the same players I just blasted and he tries to defend.

by Sbay on Sep 20, 2010 1:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, one way to find out

The same line that sucked last week was only barely decent today today. If you say that’s good enough to go 8-8, okay, but I guess the season will tell the tale…

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by signcut on Sep 20, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah exactly

and he talks about contradicting itself.

When you least expect it there I am waiting below to take you out......if your lucky.

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Sep 20, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

the first TD was in his face

how is that not his fault. Was he going against Moss or something?

by Sbay on Sep 19, 2010 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

It wasn't his zone

Thats really not hard to understand, he had to guard the back right side and Ro had the middle and wasnt there. It wasnt Branch’s area, that simple

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by dubzfan on Sep 19, 2010 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dubz, was Ro suppossed to shut him down with his man-to-man shutdown skills?

It was Branch’s zone also and he was very close. I find it hard to believe that an MLB is expected to follow a reciever all the way to the endzone. Also, Stop saying that Stevie is a FS,(by impliyng he can’t play FS) he is a FS, but even better then, FS’s are suppossed to have better cover skills than SS’s. He has a SS body, he even played MLB in college… Your ideas, debunked.

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by JaggerJaw on Sep 19, 2010 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was ZONE

He’s supposed to stay in his zone, if he did he wouldn’t have been open, that simple. And no you dont share zones, Branch was forced to come from his zone to try and make a play

Russell has the body to play DE so he can play DE. Does that makes sense? And are you implying he can play LB in the NFL? Also SS and FS coverage skills are different since SS are asked to play man on TE’s more often and FS are usually asked to play in a deep 3rd. Someone like Dawkins as a SS could cover just as well or better than FS.

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by dubzfan on Sep 19, 2010 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your idea of Safeties is way off

They cant cover there deep 2nd and the under zones at the same time , we have to stay disciplined in our zone , Ro was not and Branch had a choice, abandon his zone leaving the man in it open or stay in his zone and leave Ro’s guy open, when the ball was passed he tried to break on it and couldn’t get there in time. I learned this stuff this year by a former NFL player since he’s my DB coach, discipline in our zones is incredibly important

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by dubzfan on Sep 19, 2010 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

nice try, just like Branch

Did I say Branch has to cover both? Get a clue.

If you have deep right, then a deep post from your side of the field is cutting accross the inside of your zone. That’s clearly Branch’s guy, especially since AS the ball is being thrown, the receiver is right in front of Branch.

The only reason why Ro is in the picture, is because he reacts to the pass after it is thrown.

Branch must have been watching something else because he lost track of the receiver until it was too late.

Beign discipline doesn’t take away from recognizing the post from the receiver in front of you and reacting quickly. That is why he plays man, why he got beat playing zone, and why he should have been on the bench if they are playing Zone.

That is exactly what Brown showed he could do in the PS and practice. You can’t say PS doesn’t matter because Bruce did exactly what he was doing in the PS and Campbell was playing exactly like he was during the preseason.

by Sbay on Sep 20, 2010 1:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

To think that Stevie Brown could play better

than Branch…

Stevie Brown is NOT Bruce Gradkowski. lololol

Zone coverage in the Red Zone HAS SUCKED in preseason, and like I said before, Brown was against 2ND AND 3RD TEAM STRINGERS.

Branch is the better option. Now, If we stopped running that stupid zone inside of the end-zone, then we wouldn’t give up scores.

In Bruce We Trust

by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Sep 20, 2010 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Actually it isn't

If he stopped in his zone it is but he didn’t . He was in Ro’s zone, Ro was supposed to stay back on the pass. Seriously, you don’t understand zone, by your logic if Im a CB and I have zone flats and a WR does a drag starting across my face into the middle of the MLB’s zone he’s still my guy.

ANd WTF are you talking about? Bruce in the preseason was either rehabbing or playing, he wasn’t a PS player and even if he was he’d have played the season before and a proven solid player. Brown is a 7th round rookie who is on the practice squad and played against 3rd stringers. By this logic Tuisosopo would have been a star

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by dubzfan on Sep 20, 2010 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

This looks like a Daryl Lamonica/George Blanda scenario in the making

The “Mad Bomber” in the first half; the ol’ cagey veteran in relief.
Except our current line will not give poor Jason a chance
to unleash the “mad bomber” inside him
(I’m assuming such an animal exists deep within JCam somewhere)

by Raaddad on Sep 19, 2010 7:33 PM PDT reply actions  

intriguing

But really? Bruce has a deep arm but not a video game arm that can throw over sixty yards. Something I don’t think is necessary in this game. A nicely timed forty to fifty yard bomb is sufficient and Bruce can throw that in his sleep. I’m intrigued by the idea of a deep bomb from Campbell, I just don’t think he is ready for the starting job right now the way Bruce is playing. The team as a whole is not ready for Campbell.

Is it just me or is Bruce G. some sort of Doug Flutie (poor man’s Montana) mojo. He has something that one of the bloggers here characterized using the story of Bruce telling Mario to keep his head in the game. I have definitely underestimated Bruce Gradkowski.

The question is, am I overestimating Stevie Brown?

by Sbay on Sep 19, 2010 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

am I overestimating Stevie Brown?

yes, when you want him to start week 3 after being a preseason star and just came up from the PS.

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by dubzfan on Sep 19, 2010 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was playing at least and playing well

But that 1 and how many players? I highly doubt Brown is ready, I like him but what makes you think he’s ready to start?

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by dubzfan on Sep 19, 2010 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Than dont look at my posts

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by dubzfan on Sep 19, 2010 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Vick? Really????

I thought OL was the biggest issue. Maybe you should have suggested trading for one of the Eagles OL we destroyed last year. lol

by Sbay on Sep 20, 2010 1:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

What Philly lineman is available?

And I don’t see any lineman other than Gaither available for a price we can offer and we don’t seem interested. Vick could play behind this line better than probably anyone else

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by dubzfan on Sep 20, 2010 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have often referred to that leadership characteristic Bruce emanates

in that confrontation with Henderson, who seems he needs someone to do that for him. He also quickly went back to Murphy, Watkins, DHB, following drops. Definitely a Flutie style mojo, in that he believes he can win any game without a doubt, and the players kinda believe it too.

I hope Cable is wise enough to give Bruce the nod for next week’s game. It’s clear who gives the team a better chance of winning now. It’s been clear to me for a while, but I was afraid we wouldn’t see Bruce regardless. Cable might’ve saved his job today. At least for a little while longer anyways…

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by brhynno on Sep 19, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Jason Campbell as a QB

but I do believe that Bruce works better with crappy offensive line, because it seems like he gets the ball out of his hands faster

by bslack32 on Sep 20, 2010 1:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bruce doesn't have a deep arm like the Hamburglar no but neither did Kurt Warner or Drew Brees.

Both of those guys are possibly Hall of Fame bound. Bruce has a quick release and feels the rush instead of staring at it like a deer in the head lights. Also he communicates with his teammates. He may not be as accurate as those other guys but he lights it up when he is in there. Also he was coming in mid-game against a pro defense. Don’t expect him to have a 158.3 passer rating. The offensive line sucks but the way to negate that is by continuing to play the way they did in the 2nd half. Seriously as bad as JC played in the 1st half, Hue’s calls were shit in that half. A 4 point deficit at the half to the Rams is almost as bad as a loss at home. Changes were necessary.

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by TAW on Sep 20, 2010 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

i think bruce could be as accurate

as long as these young recievers keep getting better and learing how to seperate, and if the oline can hold its own for another second. most of grads incompletions are just throw aways to avoid sacks when guys didnt have time to get open and rollin out wasnt an option. that and some drops that are still occuring. but besides gannon, the other raider greats werent that accurate but made the throws that counted when they needed to and won games.

by rodeosnake12 on Sep 20, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice to hear that Grad was awesome. I hope he starts next week.

Also, kudos to McFadden for being awesome when everything else wasn’t so awesome.
 Also how did Ford do?

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I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Sep 19, 2010 7:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Ford was meh

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by dubzfan on Sep 19, 2010 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's too early to tell.

He had three returns only. At least he didn’t fumble the damn ball like Figurs.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 19, 2010 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Higgins had a nice 50-yard punt return I see

Other seriously positive signs of improvement include:
1. RoJo leading in tackles
2. Both wide-outs getting multiple catches
3. the defense holding the Rams to just over 200 total yards
4. DMac’s very impressive game, including a 30-yeard run
5. 3 sacks, including a 13-yarder by Houston
6. Hue making some nice adjustments

by Raaddad on Sep 19, 2010 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think NFL.com shows them after all the games are donr

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by dubzfan on Sep 19, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bruce MUST start next week

He is the best quarterback we have had since Rich and the thing people are forgetting is that he was injured for most of the preseason and from watching the preseason games and today he would have beaten out JC with equal time.
I was screaming for Bruce from the stands in Tenesee last week, JC is way too slow in his decision making.
In Bruce we trust.

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by Ozraider on Sep 19, 2010 8:53 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

IN BRUCE WE TRUST!!!!!!

AND YES:

Bruce MUST

and while this seems the only logical conclusion, why won’t I be surprised to hear Campbell announced as the starter in tomorrow’s press conference?

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by brhynno on Sep 19, 2010 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't be shocked either

If they used this as a motivation thing for JC, VY was benched for Kerry Collins today but didn’t lose his job but he didn’t play well either

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by dubzfan on Sep 19, 2010 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think that that a different situation

Jc just looks lethargic as a QB there is nothing that stands out about him, he is like a robot. He puts up some decent numbers but he won’t take u anywhere and obviously cable sees the same thing.
Everyone Bruce has been behind center you would have to be stevie wonder not to see that we are a considerably better team

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by Ozraider on Sep 19, 2010 9:11 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

i think bruce will get the nod next week

last year when they decided to pull al’s prized number 1 bruce had the reins from the cincy game on, untill he got hurt, and i dont see any reason this will be no diff. cable and davis want to win now any way shape or form, and it showed in pre season when bruce got some playing time and it showed today. nobody forgot last year either, not even al. this is a great thing, for both grads and jc, grads will capitalize and maybe this will get a fire going in jc incase he goes back in.

by rodeosnake12 on Sep 19, 2010 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

even then, in press conferences following the decision

it was the turnovers he claimed as being the final impetus. It was shocking how unaware Jason seemed of imminent pressure while he holds the ball looking for god knows what.

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by brhynno on Sep 19, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

this is why im guessing he has only been a mediocre qb

and why wash. didnt take much for him in trade. like i said in my mind our coaches wont be so patient with a 4th year starter thay only gave up a 4th for to figure shit out.

by rodeosnake12 on Sep 19, 2010 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly what I see as well

Alarming how much it was shit the Skins fans warned us about. His numbers belie his propensity to hold the ball like a deer caught in headlights, and that equals turnovers. As long as that is the case, Cable’s case is solid, but I hope it is 100% solid, so Bruce is our guy.

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by brhynno on Sep 19, 2010 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I also think its a myth that Bruce can't throw the deep ball

He has shown real zip on a number of throws and against the steelers he had a couple of long throws to and also against cincy.

My only worry as I said all along in preseason was durability but he until Mario got him killed last year (who is on th bench now) he has been pretty durable.

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by Ozraider on Sep 20, 2010 5:52 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think Bruce is the better fit for this line

Again, it goes back to the line. Behind a good line with time JC may be a better fit but we dont have that

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by dubzfan on Sep 19, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

any qb can be good behind a good oline

but only the real good ones can be good and make things happen behind junk. how good could bruce be behind a good oline???

by rodeosnake12 on Sep 19, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I actually think he'd be worse than he is

Most of his plays come off improv and rarely ever being a pocket QB , I dont see him sitting back there and reading the field like that

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by dubzfan on Sep 19, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

ive seen him stay in the pocket and hook up and look good.

evey snap hes not rolling out or being hurried, he can sit there and scan the coverage but he is very nimbal and effective on the move to. my opinion

by rodeosnake12 on Sep 19, 2010 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

it'll be a ploy

to throw AZ off.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 20, 2010 5:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like the way you're thinking, Mike

Kinda nice that we have threats like that, of late. The team responding to him like that is too huge to overlook. I actually think a lot of the Campbell proponents are starting to come around about their decisions as well.

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by brhynno on Sep 20, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

well they're the ones now saying

“Campbell is the better QB but Grakowski is the one behind this line”
“Gradkowski is better behind a bad o-line, but Campbell is better behind a good o-line”

so read between the lines I guess. They’re not quite ready to get over the hump and say they’re wrong. But it’ll take less time to get over Campbell than that other guy from last year.

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Sep 20, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm watching the taped postgame show from CSN California with Kozmir, Romanowski and Bruno.

I looked at the injury list graphic they had and it really made me think. We won this game today without our starting running back, without our best offensive lineman, without a starting wide receiver and without our second-best defensive player. With all of that considered, this win today was a good win even if they are “just the St. Louis Rams.”

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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 19, 2010 9:39 PM PDT reply actions  

The MAN

I don’t why we had to get a new QB. I mean I don’t have a problem with getting Jason Campbell, but it was surprise because Bruce did so well last year. I rather see Bruce lead the team. For some reason he knows how to WIN!

by DonBui on Sep 19, 2010 10:38 PM PDT reply actions  

JC was a proven starter that was availible for cheap, Grad was injured, we would have been stupid to pass on that deal

by RyanTheRaider on Sep 19, 2010 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

we gave up nothing for him

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 20, 2010 5:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

+2

I didn’t think JC was a great QB and really didn’t want him on the Raiders. When they pulled the trigger for a just a 4th rounder though, I couldn’t really argue. If he doesn’t pan out, he doesn’t pan out.

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by Rusty23 on Sep 20, 2010 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

i have more faith in bruce leading the team. everyone wakes up and plays better when he is under center. i hope the man upstairs takes note.

4 life brother.

by animal.feed on Sep 19, 2010 11:16 PM PDT reply actions  

If the man upstairs

 watches some tape of JC he will see that, if you watch his eyes, Campbell goes from looking like he has no confidence to looking like a deer in the headlights. At no time do I see a leader that will inspire anyone. He seems to totally lack that x-factor so necessary to real leadership that can turn a team into A TEAM. Today’s game shows that the guy w/the “better physical tools” and “better skill set” is not always the better choice if he can’t lead and fire up a team.

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by Raider1957 on Sep 20, 2010 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

plain and simple start BRUCE!!!!!!!!!

AND I LOVED THE TACKLE BY DEATH RO FUCC THE REFS. THAT WAS A B.S. CALL JC NEEDS TO WARM THE BENCH TILL HE CAN PLAY LIKE STARTING QB IF NOT FIND SOME ONE WHO CAN AND SEND HIS ASS TO GO KICK IT WITH JA WALRUS ON THE UNEMPLOYEMENT LINE SIPPIN SOME SIZZURP

by papi209 on Sep 19, 2010 11:28 PM PDT reply actions  

+1

Dude, if there is a way to talk “Raider” . . .
That is it.

by Raaddad on Sep 19, 2010 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for finding this.

I remembered this discussion but couldn’t remember where it took place. So far, Jason looks like the same guy I watched in Washington. I think that 90% of the time, when people call someone a quiet leader, they really mean not a leader at all.

Don't shoot, I'm a man.

by Rusty23 on Sep 20, 2010 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice reflection !!!

Campbell is the present !!! Grad is the present !!! Neither are the future !!! I was aboard the Campbell bandwagon in the beginning, knowing that “He who shall’nt be called by NAME” was on his sluping azz way out the door. Grads fires up the team, and the fans!!!! Campbell looks ………Well, Like a Deer in Headlights. As of right now, he played his way out of starting. Let Grad run the show, until otherwise proven he can’t. If it goes bad, we got Campbell. With better O-line play, Campbell could/might be the one. Dmac impressed, and so did the kids(DHB & Muph) Bottom line, We got a win that we were suppose to have.

by papabegood on Sep 20, 2010 2:13 AM PDT reply actions  

I disagree that Bruce cannot be the future

Pretty sure he in only 26 and qb’s generally don’t hit their prime till around 30. He by far the best performing QB since Rich ‘Drunk interview’ Gannon.

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by Ozraider on Sep 20, 2010 6:28 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

For whatever reason, it's going to take awhile for many to embrace Gritkowski without reservations

Glad you’re back OZ – had us concerned after what you experienced first-hand in Tennessee.

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by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 20, 2010 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks sons don't worry, the silver and black pride will always run strong through these vains!

I been reading the site on my phone daily while on holiday but been difficult to comment much, have had more time to do so down here in sunny Florida :)
The thing that will be difficult for JC even if he gets put back in is that as was shown last week and even amongst the surprising raider turn out in Nashville that the Nation loves Grad and will chant for him as soon a JC makes a slight mistake and now that he has been hooked the chants will be even louder. I think the majority of the Nation loves Bruce it’s just there us a few loud unconvinced around here but the proof Is clear in his performances.

"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here." - Al Davis

by Ozraider on Sep 20, 2010 4:32 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

If that was the case.......

Campbell wouldn’t have been brought in. Remember who’s in charge !!!! Grads just doesn’t fit his mold, no matter how many games he wins !!!! If not Campbell, it WILL be someone else, having Grads looking over his shoulder !!! Just the Nature of the BEAST !!!

by papabegood on Sep 20, 2010 8:06 AM PDT reply actions  

His mom is in her 100's

Al may still have much time left, the beast is still kicking

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by dubzfan on Sep 20, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

ummmmmm

His mom lived to be like 103. So we could potentially have 22 years left.

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 20, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gannon didn't fit the mould either.......

"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here." - Al Davis

by Ozraider on Sep 20, 2010 4:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Bruce

got the win, he earned the next start. What we have are 2 different styles – Bruce, west coast, timing, out quickly with a little scramble and JC, in the pocket waits to the last second to throw it; akin to Big Ben. JC’s style needs the extra second in the pocket. Bruce won’t get that deep strike downfield but he’ll move the ball. JC will have the long strike. Bruce walked in and thru the Rams for a lop as they didn’t prepare for him. If Bruce gets the nod, the Cardinals will adjust. I’m actually ok with either QBs, I wished that JC would get rid of the ball quicker but i respect that he stands in the pocket.

by raiders4liffe on Sep 20, 2010 9:17 AM PDT reply actions  

Bruce did well, he was more acclaimated to the WR's and the offense. however, there is no excuse for J-Campbell

I am not going to just knock his overall game, however as a QB it is your responsibility to get you ass in that film room and study, study, study, he seemed to lack field awareness and that throw into the ground should have got him benched. I sat on the 50 yard line right of over the tunnel and J-Campbell was not prepared. The Raiders O line, the biggest in the league seemed soft to me, and they should have played harder. It’s early we did get the win, however, we have a lot of work and this QB situation needs to get worked out fast. Gradkowski looked prepared, he looked like he worked out with the WR’s and sat in that film room…The Raiders need to really focus on execution if we are to contend in the west…All in all I give the overall performance a C-, because of the win. Hey Saint, I was at the Black Hole Tailgate party this weekend, I will be at every game until I head back to Indianapolis, I hope to meet some of you guys before I leave…Go Raiders!!!!!

by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 20, 2010 11:54 AM PDT reply actions  

This week we'll be at Ricky's - have you been there yet?

and I will NOT drink IPA’s only, I will NOT…

I’d like us to go a bit earlier (Sons!) so that we get to sit in front of the wall-size tv, amidst brethren. Last time we were 2 minutes late (Sons had to drink cup after cup of water at leaving time) and ended up in the common section.

by Spirals galore on Sep 22, 2010 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

It seems that Grad is prepared, I can tell he is in the film room and that he also worked out with the WR's.

    J-Campbell probably has the better skillset, however, he needs to really focus on studying film and being prepared. The difference between the two was preparation that’s all. Who starts next week, good question. Coach isn’t saying much right now, I am sure practice will dictate who gets the nod this weekend. If our O line doesn’t man up, we need to really make some changes, meaning bence starters and start reserves, what’s the difference if the QB is running for his life… Hopefully, this weeks practice gets the guys ready…

by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 21, 2010 11:38 AM PDT reply actions  

for as long as Campbell

has been a starter in the league, it brings into question his work ethic if he’s not getting prepared for games. Kinda like that other guy last year, what’s his name? I know it ends with 2 L’s too…

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by mikesd1981 on Sep 21, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

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