The "Turk" is coming...NFL Roster Cut Down Day-Open Thread
by TheRaiderWay on Sep 4, 2010 3:40 PM PDT
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"Coach Wants To See You, And Bring Your Playbook"
That's the phrase that will be resounding around the NFL today as all 32 teams must pare their roster to the NFL limit of 53. That means that by the end of today there will be 704 NFL players looking for work minus players that will be placed on the injured reserve. This will be one of the busiest transaction weekends in the NFL as final rosters will not really be set until this coming Tuesday, when practice squads will be finalized and waiver claims are made.
For the Raiders, the defensive side of the ball seems to be in good shape, but the offensive side, well with injuries to Schillens and Bush and a less than effective line play, I'm hoping the Raiders are able to find another teams' excess. Trades occur at this time as well as waiver claims, so maybe the Raiders will find an offensive lineman (center or tackle), a halfback, fullback or wide receiver. Lot's of speculation out there as to who can become available, like Hartwig and Houshmandzadeh and, there will always be some surprises.
Then there will be the practice squad and who the Raiders will try to sneak through waivers to reclaim, such as Brennan, Tonga and maybe Goethel.
What to you think Nation? Will the Raiders find some gems this weekend to add to their roster? Use this open thread as the place to put all your thoughts on the Raiders final 53 man roster and all the NFL moves that will be taking place this weekend.
Update with current roster as of 3:00 p.m. PST
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Bye, William Joseph.
Adam_Schefter
More cuts: William Joseph, Raiders; Travis Fisher, Ravens; Donald Thomas, Dolphins; Tim Brown, Giants; Gartrell Johnson, Giants.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2010 8:31 AM PDT reply actions
Nick Miller
…need to keep Miller and cut Watkins, who dropped a pass inside the 5 in 49ers game. Miller has the hands and a grip of the offense.
Let's look at the wide receivers.
- Chaz Schilens
- Louis Murphy
- Darrius Heyward-Bey
- Johnnie Lee Higgins
- Jacoby Ford
- Nick Miller
- Yamon Figurs
- Shaun Bodiford
- Todd Watkins
We have to cut three and it seems like Bodiford is the only given at this point. That leaves us with two cuts that have to take place between Miller, Figurs and Watkins. Miller and Figurs have the return edge over Watkins and I think both have been better than Watkins in the preseason. So, it’ll come down to Miller and Figurs for a roster spot if you ask me. I lean towards Miller staying on the team.
"You're all like big fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2010 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
100% agree with appraisal. Figures is a poorer replica of JLH. Watkins dropped a perfectly
good pass we needed and sucks on STs. JLH, though questionable over the middle, otherwise has good hands, speed, gets open and can return Ps&Ks.. Miller has shown me nothing but inspirational play and may have the best hands on the team, including Zach’s.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
yes, and yes
I have felt all pre-season that Cable has intentionally not played Miller so as not to have him injured like last year. Plus Miller was coming off an injury. Figurs has done nothing to make this team. Miller has done nothing to lose the position. I will be shocked if the choice is Figurs over Miller. I think Figurs had to be sensational to make the team and he hasn’t been.
idk, if it came down to JLH and todd watkins i might have to take watkins… that 9’ers game catch would of been amazing no doubt but neither of these two really fit that bill. i like watkins just lil more because hes not timid when it comes to goin over the middle. also Schefter reportin that willie parker is gonna be cut…
Higgins shouldn't be on the bubble.
He should be safe.
"You're all like big fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Re: Higgins
Higgins hasnt been the same since his bell was rung. He isnt a dangerous return man anymore, and he’s not happy going over the middle. He’s not fearless anymore.
The Higgins hate is hilarious.
Figurs, Bodiford and Watkins are better? No. We don’t even know if Miller is better. Higgins isn’t very good, but neither is his competition. Also, the guy started the second preseason game so that tells me he’s in good standing with the coaches.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2010 9:14 AM PDT reply actions
if watkins got the same amount of reps as higgins, i think his stats would be better. he may be less of a vertical threat but ill take him goin over the middle more so then higgins. JLH is only good for deep comebacks and post routes. an occasional hot slant route here and there, but thats preschool stuff man.
by frank7da2tank on Sep 4, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
You just said Higgins was better than Watkins at everything besides going over the middle.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Watkins has dropped them in the middle - I've seen him grow a pair - of alligator arms
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Hate?
You state, “Higgins isn’t very good.” That’s exactly the point…so go ahead and contradict yourself, and have that conversation with yourself.
WTF has that to do with hate?
No, it's not a contradiction.
It would have been a contradiction if I said I loved him. When you say someone isn’t very good, you’re not saying you hate them unless you include that.
Go ahead and keep thinking that Watkins and Bodiford are better than Higgins, though.
"You're all like big fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
no i didnt
i said JLH has three routes that he runs. ill take watkins bein average at everything over JLH bein average in three routes and suckin d!ck in all the other ones
by frank7da2tank on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I disagree with your assessment.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
thats fine man, for arguements sake, can u please tell me why u like higgins??
by frank7da2tank on Sep 4, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't really like him.
Our alternatives just aren’t better and that’s what happens when we’re taking about who should be the fifth wide receiver.
"You're all like big fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
So?
Who said ‘hate’ in any of the comments?
I never stated Bodiford or Watkins were better. My first comment upthread specifically said to shitcan Watkins and keep Nick Miller, who to me is a far superior receiver and special teams player ‘right now’. I agree with Rambis totally…Higgins has lost ‘it’. He’s just a pussy over the middle and wont return a kick.
If that's the case, you're left with Figurs and Higgins.
You’d cut Higgins?
"You're all like big fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
lol cut em both
and bring in houshy. then let miller or ford return stuff.
by frank7da2tank on Sep 4, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope this is how it works out
1. DHB
2. Chaz Schilens
3. Louis Murphy
4. Nick Miller
5. JLH
6. Jacoby Ford
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
Speculation.
VittorioTafur
Raiders haven’t announced cuts, but doing head count at practice it seems as DT Chris Cooper, LB Slade Norris, TE John Owens didn’t make cut
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2010 11:07 AM PDT reply actions
I was rootin’ for Swayze Waters. I wanted to buy a Swayze Waters jersey. :\
'Like' my band. I mean, it'd be awesome if you did that.
Detroit, Atlanta or KC will grab him, if not there's SF Ballet
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Nothing is still official yet.
VittorioTafur
Oakland appears to keep five safeties, with Hiram Eugene and rookie Stevie Brown both making it
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2010 11:20 AM PDT reply actions
Neither did Watkins
nor Nixon. Rudd from the offensive line, McFadden the DB is hurt so he isn’t on the field either. Two other DB’s cut but all the rookies other than Goethal who is hurt made the team.
For some reason they are still in love with Figurs.
Mitchell will
Be cut
@AndySlater: If Al does overturn the decision to cut Mike Mitchell, it was SOLELY be b/c it doesn’t look good. Bad PR. Raiders coaches don’t want him.
I don't know about that.
I don’t know how reliable Andy Slater is.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
They seem legitimate and realistic to me.
HenryWoffordCSN
Unoffical roster cuts include S Norris,D Nixon,T Watkins,J Porter,M Tonga,L Lawton,A Daniels, J Thomas, B Rodd
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2010 11:28 AM PDT reply actions
Figurs, Bodiford, and Watkins
JLH probably kept his job thanks to gradkowski’s TD pass if it werent for that i would have been JLH, ,Bodiford, and Watkins
Maybe it was because Figurs dropped a pass that was perfectly placed or that he fumbled a punt.
(Yes, that was sarcasm.)
"You're all like big fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Tafur has a list of players not on the field.
Coach Tom Cable will confirm the cuts after practice.
Those players not on the field:
QB Colt Brennan, FB Luke Lawton, FB Manase Tonga, WR Shaun Bodiford, WR Todd Watkins, TE John Owens, C Chris Morris, G Alex Parsons, G Brandon Rodd
DE Greyson Gunheim, DE Kellen Heard, DE Alex Daniels, DT William Joseph, DT Chris Cooper, DT Desmond Bryant, LB Travis Goethel, LB David Nixon, LB Slade Norris, CB Walter McFadden, CB Joe Porter, CB Joey Thomas, S Jerome Boyd, P Swayze Waters
"You're all like big fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2010 11:34 AM PDT reply actions
wow nfl network says Huff is on the bubble!!!!
by Kobe Won Kenobi on Sep 4, 2010 11:36 AM PDT reply actions
Andy Slater also said the Raiders were looking into trading Huff.
"You're all like big fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
He's sticking by his story.
AndySlater
#Raiders Depsite reports, the Raiders are not keeping 5 safeties. As I stated prior, one will be cut after practice. Mitchell or Brown
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2010 11:38 AM PDT reply actions
I would hope Eugene gets cuts before Brown.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
There's no real time.
It’s just whenever the coach addresses the media, I think, and that’s after practice.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Slater offers something unrelated to Mitchell.
AndySlater
#Raiders LB Travis Goethel has made the active roster. DT Desmond Bryant has made the active roster.
2 minutes ago via web
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2010 11:52 AM PDT reply actions
i dont think this slater guy knows what he is talking about
tafur said those guys arent on the field and are probly injured
They can still make the active roster, though.
I think Tafur is saying that they are on the team and just not practicing today.
"You're all like big fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Slater isn't the only one talking about the Raiders and potential trades.
Adam_Schefter
Raiders listened to trade offers for LB Thomas Howard and CB Chris Johnson but, at least for time being, opted against trading them.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2010 12:30 PM PDT reply actions
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2010/09/04/official-word-on-raiders-final-roster-cuts/
Colt Brennan Quarterback 2
Luke Lawton Fullback 5
Manase Tonga Fullback R
Shaun Bodiford Wide receiver 4
Todd Watkins Wide receiver 3
John Owens Tight end 9
Chris Morris Center 5
Alex Parsons Guard R
Brandon Rodd Guard 1
Alex Daniels Defensive end R
Greyson Gunheim Defensive end 2
Jay Richardson Defensive end 4
Kellen Heard Defensive tackle R7
William Joseph Defensive tackle7
Chris Cooper Defensive tackle 8
David Nixon Linebacker 2
Slade Norris Linebacker 2
Joe Porter Cornerback 2
Joey Thomas Cornerback 4
Jerome Boyd Safety 2
Swayze Waters Punter 1
The notable additions are fullback Luke Lawton and defensive end Jay Richardson. Also, Cable said there still is some discussion as to who the final player waived will be. The Raiders have until 3 p.m. to announce that final move.
Speaking with Cable cleared up any confusion surrounding defensive tackle Desmond Bryant and rookie cornerback Walter McFadden. Both are on the 53-man roster, for now anyway. One of them might be the final player cut within the next two hours, or one of them could be placed on the injured-reserve list.
In other news, Cable said that rookie Jared Veldheer is the starting center, supplanting four-year veteran Samson Satele.
Veldheer starting at Center?!
Oh Yeah!, I am happy about this!
NO MERCY!
by RAIDERSNOMERCY on Sep 4, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
me too
The rest of the same article:
Cable said he was informed of the Seattle Seahawks cutting wide receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh just before he walked into the conference room. He said that he and his coaching staff will discuss players cut by other teams later today before making any moves
by Spirals galore on Sep 4, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Bring in TJ
Cut Loper/Pears, and Eugene, lets roll….
NO MERCY!
by RAIDERSNOMERCY on Sep 4, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Jerry McD has the 53+1 roster - who will be cut?
The Raiders roster breakdown by position as it stands following Saturday’s roster reduction to 53 (with one more cut to go):
QUARTERBACKS (3)_Jason Campbell, Bruce Gradkowski, Kyle Boller.
RUNNING BACKS (5)_Michael Bush, Darren McFadden, Rock Cartwright, Michael Bennett, Marcel Reece (FB).
WIDE RECEIVERS (7)_Chaz Schilens, Darrius Heyward-Bey, Louis Murphy, Jacoby Ford, Johnnie Lee Higgins, Nick Miller, Yamon Figurs.
TIGHT ENDS (2)_Zach Miller, Brandon Myers.
OFFENSIVE LINEMEN (10)_Mario Henderson, Robert Gallery, Jared Veldheer, Cooper Carlisle, Langston Walker, Khalif Barnes, Samson Satele, Daniel Loper, Erik Pears, Bruce Campbell.
DEFENSIVE LINEMEN (7)_Matt Shaughnessy, Richard Seymour, Tommy Kelly, Lamarr Houston, John Henderson, Desmond Bryant, Trevor Scott,
LINEBACKERS (7)_Kamerion Wimbley, Rolando McClain, Thomas Howard, Ricky Brown, Travis Goethel, Quentin Groves, Sam Williams.
DEFENSIVE BACKS (10)_Nnamdi Asomugha, Chris Johnson, Tyvon Branch, Michael Huff, Mike Mitchell, Walter McFadden, Jeremy Ware, Stanford Routt, Stevie Brown, Hiram Eugene.
SPECIAL TEAMS (3)_Shane Lechler, Sebastian Janikowski, Jon Condo (LS)
Looking at it this way,
Pears has to go, Loper? Ehh, thing is that I dont remember him getting a shitload of penalties, so is the lessor of 2 evils. And if we can get TJH, either cut the other Loper/Pears or Hiram Eugene.
NO MERCY!
by RAIDERSNOMERCY on Sep 4, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Does this put Howard back as the starter?
@garyrowell Good looking out. Trevor Scott’s position has been changed on the roster from LB to DE
The Cuts Look Straight Forward Right Now
But didn’t Hiram look okay on SP teams?
If Winning Isn't Everthing, Why Do They Keep Score? - Vince Lombardi
Hopefully Raiders not done making roster moves
I hope the Raiders front office is willing to take a hard look at the players released to see if they can continue to improve the team. As we all know by now, Seattle released T.J Houshmanzadeh, who could be the veteran receiver the Raiders need. The Seahawks also released Louis Rankin, who seems like a better option for backup RB/special teamer than either Rock Cartwright or Michael Bennett, plus we always have a soft spot for former Raiders.
The Raiders should be looking for a 3rd TE, a FB, and possibly reserve OL.
TJ was picked up by the Vikings I heard.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Practice Squad?
Any news if Brennan was snuck onto practice squad, or any released players stashed there?
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