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Nnamdi Asomugha's Departure, Not as Bad as Some Think.
by KA1Z3R on Jan 10, 2011 2:07 PM PST
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So the Raiders just lost All-Pro corner Nnamdi Asomugha to free agency due to a contract void and it would appear that Raider Nation is furious and disappointed. Many are calling this further downfall for the Raiders. That this is just as bad, if not worse, than the firing of Tom Cable.
But is it really?
Let's see why I'm not too broken-hearted about the departure of Asomugha, and why this is probably a good thing. Read on after the jump.
Shutdown. Lockdown. Best in the league. Controls a whole half of the field. Amazing. The words that have frequently defined what Asomugha is and does. This I cannot argue. For about four years, Nnamdi Asomugha has been, in many and my own opinions, the best corner in the NFL. A year of eight interceptions followed by three seasons as the most avoided corner in the NFL with two picks and only two touchdowns allowed.
Everything sounds good there, but that's very deceiving. The Raiders still give up the 28th. most touchdown passes in the league (29). They put up great pass defense numbers (2nd best), but still were tied with Denver for highest average yards per pass (13.3). The Raiders were also tied for 25th. for fewest interceptions (12).
Suddenly, this pass defense looks very suspect. I'm not saying this was all Nnamdi's fault, but was he really making an impact at all? If our run defense (29th) ever improved enough to where teams would have to throw, I can almost guarantee that our second best pass defense ranking would be in the 20's. When you give up 13.3 yards per pass, that's pretty bad.
Since Nnamdi was never tested, he never lowered that number. He never made a turnover (one forced fumble and two INT's the past three years) to get our D off the field. So why were we paying so much money for him if he really only had one playmaking year?
Well, Richard Seymour has frequently been the target of such questions as, "Is he really worth a first round pick?" and "Should we even extend his contract?". Seymour is definitely worth both things. The D-Line's massive improvement is proof enough. That 29th. rush defense is more so the linebackers and safeties than that D-Line. A D-Line that has lead the league in sacks since Seymour arrived.
Tommy Kelly is playing Pro Bowl caliber football, Shaughnessy is playing much the same, Desmond Bryant has developed far better than a UDFA from Harvard should, and Lamarr Houston's believed steep rookie slope has been shattered as he put up first round-worthy numbers.
Richard Seymour has been a tremendously valuable mentor to our young D-Line and has them playing far better, far faster. it'd be foolish for the Raiders not to give him a long-term deal to end his career in Silver and Black. Especially coming off a six sack, six run stuff year where he was injured and double teamed.
Let's look at Nnamdi Asomugha, has he at least mentored the secondary? Stanford Routt had possibly his best season with two interceptions (one a touchdown) and an amazing thirteen passes defensed. However, one could debate this as the Raiders finally playing him where he plays best as a starter instead of a nickel. His last season where he was a long-term starter in 2007, he had three INT's. Plus, mental and disciplinary mistakes with pass interference calls were still overly abundant. One could argue this could be easily fixed with good coaching/mentoring. Nnamdi is rarely penalized for such things can could have easily helped Routt.
I'm not saying he didn't, but it makes one wonder. Meanwhile, Chris Johnson has spent four years with Oakland. Three of which with extended playing time. He has eight INT's in those three years. Again, one could attest this more to finally getting a shot, being a relative nobody, and being the most tested corner in football the past three seasons. Chris Johnson makes several mental lapses and gives up a lot of bad plays due to some bad route recognition. He has been a solid at times, but someone learning under Nnamdi should be more consistent (see anyone who played beside Champ Bailey).
Safety play has been sporadic in Oakland. Branch and Huff have both been pretty inconsistent and have given up multiple big plays. However, Nnamdi is probably closer to the other corners and less apt to mentor the safeties.
So basically, his fellow corners' play have been iffy at best. I would think that there would be improvement of these players if Nnamdi had mentored them. There's been really no talk of it, where as Seymour's aid in the D-Line development has been constantly spoken of. I'm not saying Nnamdi didn't mentor the corners, but no one is saying he did and there's really been no signs in performance that he has.
Don't get me wrong, I love Nnamdi Asomugha. I've even had the proud honor of chatting with him, and he's an amazing human being with so much class that even "fancy" people look like barbarians by comparison. However, Nnamdi Asomugha was not due the type of pay we would have to have given him (we're talking the money of restructured and extended Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Drew Brees here) for having, in all honesty, no impact on the defense.
This money is better off being spread around on fixing up more areas of the team. A couple free agents for the massive weaknesses at OLB, OT/OG, WR, S, CB are much more important than one man who is simply not making plays.
I'd much rather see that kind of money spent on a decent actual 4-3 OLB who can cover and contain edge runs, a veteran wide receiver who can contribute, and a new RT or RG. This isn't even including draft picks people. Just those free agency moves alone probably make this team at least one win better. Add in a good corner in the draft (not hard to find as it seems rookie corners are getting better and better each year), and boom. Maybe playoffs? Who knows, depends on the coach.
Super Bowl and playoff teams haven't really needed a corner like Nnamdi was for the Raiders. The Steelers are 12-4 with average-to-horrible corners. Atlanta has good corners, but no one elite or great. Seattle upset New Orleans with overrated Marcus Trufant. The Ravens are a major Super Bowl contending Wild Card with Chris Carr and second year Ladarius Webb at corner.
Look at recent Super Bowls. The Saints won with a pretty good, I wouldn't say great, corner in Jabari Greer and another good-not-great in Tracy Porter. The Colts has decent corners. Steelers won with average-to-suckish corners. Giants won with an overrated Sam Madison. Having one shutdown corner does not win Super Bowls. Good ball control offense, good run D, great pass rush, and a decent overall secondary without a necessarily elite corner or even great corner wins Super Bowls, wins playoff games, and wins playoff spots.
Blame scheme, blame the secondary, but Nnamdi Asomugha was not really earning the money of a Tom Brady or Drew Brees, and he was not really helping defend them. I'm sure he'll get signed somewhere else for more money than what he was worth to the Raiders, and I wish him the best from the bottom of my Silver and Black heart.
For the sake of fixing up as many of the team's holes as possible, thus making a more complete and more well-rounded team, I bid Nnamdi Asomugha adieu. I'll always call you one of my favorite Raiders of all-time.
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No way man
No way in hell are we better off with Nnamdi…trust me, the pass D didn’t give up 29 passing TDs cause of Nnamdi, they did because everyone picked on Routt and Johnson. Nnamdi was only targeted 33 times and didn’t give up a single TD…You’re a little crazy if you think we’re better off without Nnamdi…Not saying we couldnt get it done with bringing in a FA or starting Routt and Johnson, but we won’t be better off, thats for sure.
We now have about 17 mil
to spend on multiple pieces to the puzzle. Everyone loves a “shut down” corner, but how many of those types of corners won Championships? Deion Sanders? Mike Haynes? Both won their titles when they went Mercenary and joined a contender. You don’t build a defense around cornerbacks, you build it around the front seven…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
True
but there are very few man to man corners out there. Al would have to abandon the old school D he loves so dearly. Routt and Johnson can’t play man coverage to save their lives. I am NOT saying that 17 mil was worth it though, a cheaper long term deal would be favorable.
We could always break the bank and sign Nam and Champ Bailey, that seems like an Al move.
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by Kwester421 on Jan 10, 2011 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
so we give up a big piece of the puzzle
for some people who might be pieces of the puzzle? if were going for good pieces, then were gonna be spending the 17 mil pretty fast. otherwise we will get some old rusty pieces or some new fresh untalented “they could be great or they could not” pieces
You do realize that was for one season, right?
Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu play for considerably less than $10 mil a season, and, while I love how Nnamdi plays and how he represents the team, his impact on whether we win or lose games pales to the impact those two players have on their teams.
Again, how many “shut down” corners have rings? Nnamdi shutting down half of the field in the passing game doesn’t fix our atrocious run defense. No cornerback, no matter how great a player he is is worth what we were paying Nnamdi. This is just a simple fact. In the salary cap era, you can’t spend money like that and expect to field a winning team. If he leaves, he’ll sign for considerably less to play for a contender, what we have to do is convince him that we’re that contender.
Don’t get it mixed up, I don’t want to see him leave, but his salary was unmanageable as it stood, and we can use the money we save off that contract to upgrade our talent in other areas. In short it was a smart business move, and a smart long term move for the stability of this team.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 11, 2011 8:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
100% concur
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 11, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
which is why
Safety is so important to a secondary. ;)
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Safety is important
but I think we’ll be fine there, unless a big name hits the market. I’m not for reaching for another MAC safety that looks all world on Youtube.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 11, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
Yup. Chris Carr is a starting CB for the Ravens.
Chris. Carr.
if spent smartly (if) there are better uses for $17 mill than on 21
by lchristmas on Jan 10, 2011 11:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Dion is way over-rated....
…the man cud not, and would not, hit or tackle.
G-O-H-O-H-O-9-O!
G-O-H-O-H-O-9-O!
Deion Sanders
was a great all around football player, and was electric with the ball in his hands. He wasn’t good in run support. Still, when he went to very good defenses, he won championships, which is my point. The elite “shutdown” corner is a luxury piece of the puzzle…not the main bulding block.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 13, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
Obviously!
Dude, you have a black heart not a silver and black heart for thinking that Nnamdi is somehow the reason the rest of secondary is, well, secondary. You even contradict yourself several times in your article! Nnamdi covers his side of the field like no other! Is he supposed to have magical powers to bestow to the rest of the secondary? C’mon now and get real! Nnamdi is golden and will re-sign with the Raiders for less money, there is now way Al is going to jettison one of his favorite players. He just doesn’t want to pay him stupid money that no one else would pay him either! As for the yards being given up per pass play, you can much of the blame on the defensive scheme too. Nnamdi, Raider for life, worth big money and makes whole team that much better!
Think about it
you have one of the best pass defenses in the league, YPG allowed-wise, but your run defense is by far sub par. what do you do? the safeties and other corner instead of worrying about their coverage think about stopping the run. Huff, Mitchell, support the run defense, relinquish deep help or in between the seems in zone and you give up one of the leagues worst yards-per-catch. then what do you do? blame the best cover corner in the league and his contract?? even with a good defensive line, most quarterbacks in the league only need 3 seconds to get a pass off. get outside containment help, forcing teams to throw, then the secondary can worry about coverage assignments. a second corner with better route recognition, and a better safety are needed.
by Brett Homberg on Jan 11, 2011 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
Thats what he said. Almost to the word.
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No way man!
No way in hell are we better off without Nnamdi…trust me, the pass D didn’t give up 29 passing TDs cause of Nnamdi, they did because everyone picked on Routt and Johnson. Nnamdi was only targeted 33 times and didn’t give up a single TD…You’re a little crazy if you think we’re better off without Nnamdi…Not saying we couldnt get it done with bringing in a FA or starting Routt and Johnson, but we won’t be better off, thats for sure.
I think this is the best description of the situation.
I don’t think it is yards per pass attempt but 13 yds per completion. That’s still bad. Also as bad as 12 INTs for the season sounds, we got a 1/3 of those in the final two games which makes that even worse. I believe we can have a good defense as long as we have a DC that can call exotic blitzes and coverages and ensure everyone gets a hat on a hat when playing the run. A shut down corner is a luxury and a great pass rush and solid run defense are the new requirements for a good defense.
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Those requirements aren't new
They’re the foundation of every great defense. Did the 86 Bears have a “shutdown corner?” How bout the 00 Ravens? How bout those great Tampa defenses? Chris McAllister and Ronde Barber were solid players at CB, but they weren’t labeled “shut down” and justifiably so. We build this defense around Death Ro, and our DL and we’ll be a top 5 defense in the next two years…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2011 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
so wait a second
nnamdi does his job, but everyone else is floundering… and thats his fault because? everyone on this team is progressing and were moving up in the stats once again, and all these people leaving and pieces moving around alot is gonna wind up ruining it all until were back to square one
I think Hue Jackson and the fact we don't have a fat shit QB either putting our defense in bad positions or not keeping the defense fresh after a 3 & out is the main reason for the better defensive stats overall.
Nnamdi for as great he is at locking down his man can be negated if Al stops with his boner (probably not anymore, sorry for the imagery) for shut down man to man corners. This would save us so much in roster space if we played a defense that doesn’t rely so heavily on our corners. Look at New England for example. They got rid of Asante Samuel and Ty Law and yet they have a rookie going to the Pro Bowl this year. Al needs to get his head out of his ass and hire a real GM that can hire the defensive mind that will get this organizationin the direction it needs to be and fire John Herrera also. He is a cancer.
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16.8 million
Is too much for any 1 player in my opinion. If the CBA doesn’t get fixed in time then all free agents could be locked into their current teams for the next season anyway. This off season is going to be very strange.
I’d like to see him stay, but at a reasonable price so the rest of our team does not suffer.
"We can't stop here... This is bat country."
Not a good thing for our secondary.
When Nnamdi was on the field the other teams top reciever was shut down and taken out of the equation. This gave Routt and Johnson a chance to improve and show what they can do as starters. Routt had a decent year but was filled with penalties and being burned. Johnson gets interceptions sure but he gets burned constantly. Without Nnamdi suddenly you have Johnson and Routt starting. Now the top recievers are getting catches and touchdowns. We need Nnamdi back but not for that kind of money. We need to cut Johnson and sign/draft a corner that can be consistant and keep his head in the game. Another thing with Nnamdi that is different than our other corners is he can tackle.
i agree wholeheartedly
except replace getting rid of johnson with getting rid of routt. yes hes improved but improvement from a screw up isnt exactly an all star
And how many times was Nam matched up 1-on-1
with the other teams No 1 WR?
I can only think of Larry Fitz in the Az game this year (although there may have been others) and look haw that game turned out…
Usualy Nam is just left on his side of the field to cover who ever is there and it’s very easy for OCs to scheme against that. Heck, just stick your FB out there and make him the man to cover.
The way I see it is this: any player making 16mil should be able to win the game for you every week. That’s not going to be a corner, it’s going to be a QB.
That was the "D"coodinators fault for not having Nnam
shadow the other teams beat receiver. WTF at least make a lesser guy beat Routt or Johnson.
As far as Nnamdi goes, I love him but $16.8 million is too much for even Peyton and Brady to be paid when we have so many holes to fill on this team and as much as it pains me to lose him, I voted better off in the long term for the team
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
Nnamdi got moved around more than ever on defense because we tried to get him to show us that he is still a playmaker. That he is worth the money. We hoped that we could get him to get a couple INT’s or a forced fumble or something. He didn’t, and the team saw that he wasn’t worth all that money for this team. This was the best move for the team.
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We are definitely not a better defense without Nnamdi
but we can make more improvement with the money we’ll have if he gets signed to another team.
Honestly, I think we should sign him, the trade him for a 1st round draft pick. Maybe a future first rounder so we can have two first round draft picks the next season.
But we have to improve our LB core, and safety to make this defense stay elite, and i think we can do that easier with that amount of money.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
technically we are a better defense without him. 2-1 without him. And we won that first Chiefs game with him injured and pretty ineffective.
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2-1 is not something to brag about really.
I don’t think it’s even a good amount of data to judge how we actually do without him to tell the truth. :/
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
agreed but it is worth mentioning in addition to having our three game win streak this year with him out or injured and pretty ineffective.
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I wouldn't say he was ineffective.
Just that we have many problems beside MLB and DL, that Nnamdi has a lot of pressure on him to prevent TDs. And he has no power over the QB throwing toward our #2 corner, and #3, and it was effective. He couldn’t really do anything about that.
If it’s to help out with the other positions, I’m fine with his release, but I think he contributed as much as he could. :)
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
also
we need a BIG playmaking safety as well to make it work.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
Huff needs to step up because Brown and Mitchell both have playmaker ability in them if given the chance.
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I'll give Huff another year.
I haven’t seen enough of Brown, and I am concerned about Mitchell’s coverage abilities.
What are your thoughts on Brown?
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
Brown is a guy who flies around the ball. Inconsistent but still very young and growing. Brown always looks for the INT or fumble. However, he knows when to wrap up.
Mitchell looked more consistent in coverage this year which pleases me. Probably a decent starting option, definitely over Branch if Tyvon doesn’t rapidly improve over last year.
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I might give mitchell the edge, if just for experience.
Brown will have a chance in Camp, and if he impresses, no doubt, he’ll be given a starting chance.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
+1
huff deserves another year with a better D-cord, he has shown flashes in our out dated system
by RyanTheRaider on Jan 10, 2011 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
What's it gonna take to Keep him???
Or better yet, does Al even try to keep him ? A lot are saying, too much !!! He only plays on the left side, His fault ? Noooooooo…….That’s on the Coach’s (or Al )!!! He’s doesn’t make enough plays !!! Again, His Fault ?? Nooooooo….. Coach’s & schemes again. What if he did makes his incentives !!! Would you people STILL be saying he’s making too much ? I mean the Team was ALREADY on the hook for 16mil, for next year, if the contract didn’t void itself !!! So what makes any of you think Al won’t sign him to a 1 yr deal, for that amount now !!! With all his affiliations here in the Bay Area & LA, His Foundation is based here, and he’s hand on with that year round. He’s a Cal alumni, meaning this has been home for him for the last 13 years !!!! Who Said He’s gone, in the first place ? IMPO, I say he’s not only going to stay, but get a new deal rather quickly along with Seymour, in the realm of 45mil for 3 years, plus incentives. and maybe options for 2 years after that. I just don’t see him leaving under these circumstances !!! More than likely, he’ll pull a Brady type of deal, backloaded with some Guarranteed Money at the end, so there would be mone money’s now to sign ALL of the FA’s needed. Nnamdi and Seymour are PRIORITY, remember we are talking about AL Davis, you Know the guy that demands his defense to play MAN to MAN Coverage Til He die’s, it seems. With this in mind, Do you REALLY, REALLY think he’s not gonna sign Nnamdi back ???
Or, Al & Nnamdi had a sit-down and Asom1 said, "Al, it's been great, I've made a boat-load of money and a reputation
Now I want to go play with another shutdown corner, Mr. Revis w/the Jets; so either get Revis here in Oakland, or I’ll be heading to the Big Apple b/c after I get a SB Ring I plan on pursuing an acting career."
Al then says, “What are you talking about?!”
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 10, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
+1
Wouldnt mind seeing that but I doubt we’d be able to afford him if he didnt take a pay cut cause we have our own FAs to sign
don’t see him coming back. No doubt he’s angry about Cable leaving and now the consistency he longed forever for is gone. He’ll go get the same money on a winning team and still help out in that city. it’s what he does, and he’ll always help the Bay Area.
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No doubt?
I have plenty on that theory. My guess is he could give two shits about Tom.
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but he always wanted the consistency at head coach. Just when we finally got it, BAM! Cable’s no longer extended.
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He was vocal about that.
My better sense tells me he saw eye to the with Al on why we lost five close ones and thosein which we had fourth quarter leads relinquished from coaching not to lose.
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Eye to eye, lol. I hate typing on the Ipad
Getting a new laptop soon.
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
I am a little confused with the FA process
Do the Raiders have a window to negotiate with him before other teams are able to talk to him? Or is it all up in the air?
If someone could explain this I would be very appreciative. I got a Nnamdi jersey for Christmas and I would like to be able to wear it proudly knowing he’s still a Raider
Work as if everything depends on you and Pray knowing that everything depends on God. - Michael Taylor
There’s a re-signing period in the offseason where teams can re-sign their free agents.
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But as an unrestricted fa you can't tender him no?
So basically he can do whatever he wants in this position.
Sign him
then trade him. Raiders NEED at least one new WR. Maybe use Nnamdi as trading fodder to get to Julio Jones in the draft.
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This is not the NBA
The Raiders would have to outbid everyone that wants Nnamdi, then turn around and try to trade the contract that the other teams all ready refused to pay? That don’t make no sense!
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
Thank you
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Best Corners are or were Raiders
The corners on the Raiders have much higher expectations and it is much harder to find the caliber of corner that can play a Raider defense. Routt and Johnson would be excellent starters on any other team. Just look at the list of corners that did not make the cut in Oakland; Carr, Washington, Buchanin, Hall, and I’m sure there are a few more. Routt is the second fastest corner in the NFL behind Fabian Washington With a 4.28 or 4.27
And Woodson was awesome but he liked to party too much and got in a bit of trouble and has done well with the quite environment up north.
you know what great post
And I agree with many of your comments, but I have to go on record and say that one reason the Raiders have a poor run D and give up so many Td is that they play so much man to man. Granted Nnamdi is a great man up corner. Probably the best in the game. But is leaves to be said that when the corners (Nnam included) have their backs to the QB there are far less opportunities for ints, and a delay in reacting to runs (hence so many BIG run plays and so many TDs too with that stop throw to the outside shoulder which is undefensable in man to man). I believe that the 1970’s man to man is the real reason that the Raiders need to either keep Nnamdi (that and he is a class act guy for the team and community) or ditch the old man’s ancient D scheme and go to a zone.
Agreed the Steelers and Ravens both have average at best corners. But it needs to be pointed out that they also run primarily zone coverage. With zone you can have par corners and survive. With man to man you have better have really good corners, which are very hard to find. Look at every great raiders team, and they all had 2 great man to man corners. Since colleges are not even playing that stupid @$$ d anymore, it is harder to find guys that can do it well (look at the draft picks the Raiders have made over the past 10 years and how many have panned out? Your aforementioned Carr was a Raider, as was Fabian who is also a Raven. Phillip Buchannon, is another first rounder who the Raiders traded up in the first to get. BUST as a man up guy. Fell for every double move in the book. These guys go to teams that play more of a zone, and all of a sudden they can play again. Deangelo Hall was brought in to make “the best CB tandem in the NFL”, and was burned so badly he was exiled with $8mil of Al’s money after only 8 games. Goes on to Washington and is serviceable once again.
My point is this: If the Raiders are going to live and die by man-up, they had better get 2 great corners and not run with the subspectacular you have pointed out. Or if they want to have average corners, they need to put them in a position where they have the best chance to succeed, which is going to be a more primarily run zone D. then when there is a run you have 11 men looking at the ball carrier rather than 8-9. When there is a pass, you have corners reading the QB and reacting to overthrows and bad passes rather than running with the receiver who ran the wrong route. Zone = turnovers, and every team in the NFL has learned it, except 1.
Al needs to either shut up and let the coaches coach, or he needs to pay up and get 2 great corners to run his vision of the glory days which are far behind us all.
very good post. I agree a lot but we showed that we are kinda suckish with zone. I think we should definitely run it more to help with the run D and the more we run it the more we get used to it.
However, I firmly our run D could have been a lot better with actual 4-3 linebackers who are fast enough to actually chase down an edge run. Our middle run D was actually really good, but outside of the tackles runs killed us. Plus, our safeties couldn’t tackle at all. That gave up a ton of big runs that inflated those rush D numbers. Wimbley is pretty decent, could be better, but Groves can’t do jack against an outside run. He needs out.
Thanks for the great comment
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just following with your great post
I agree the OLB is the #1 priority for the offseason (depending on how many of the FA’s they lose/keep (Gallery, Miller, Nnamdi, Routte, Seymour). having that will help the run much the same as having a much better safety (still holding out for Brown to be a baller). Still need to shore up the C, RG and RT, but not as much as OLB and safety.
And you bring up a good point about the zone not working well for the Raiders. Is that because they didn’t run it enough to have everyone know their assignments (Jacksonville wide open TD, first KC game TD to Bowe) or because they they are not good zone coverage corners? Either way, the man that signs the paychecks, needs to make a call what he wants to play. If it is man up, I think he can’t afford to let Nnamdi go. If he will try the more prevalent zone, then he can let Nnamdi go and spend the money elsewhere to bring in a better OLB or FS, and run with lesser grade corners.
I know one thing though, if you let Nnamdi go and stay in man to man, it will be another LONG season in 2011.
we’re still 2-1 without Nnamdi and still running primarily man coverage. Not a great sample size, but worth bringing up.
We have good man corners, they’re just so heavily bombarded by passes (Johnsons most heavily tested corner the past three years, Routt was this year), that duh they’ll give up plays. Have some of those attempts directed elsewhere and their numbers will look better.
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who were the teams we beat without him.
We beat the seahawks and KC without him. These I don’t count them as top teams in the NFL. I think the reason the zone failed in games is because first we don’t have the coaching staff to teach anything. Then we don’t run it enough to see what the players can do in it. Everyone blames Huff and Branch for missed tackles but they lead the team in tackles and turnovers together. I Agree wit TD Rader either AL has to pay the man or go to more zone. I think there is only two ways to keep Nnamdi pay him or use him the way Green bay uses Woodson and give him fair market pay. He as said it many times our defense is too simple. Because if he goes to a team like the steelers or other defensive team like the ravens there Safety’s are going to have one of the best season ever beacuse they don’t have to play deep at all.
We didn't beat any top teams in the NFL
but the two teams we beat without Aso were division champs and playoff qualifiers…just sayin.
I love the way Dom Capers employs Chuckie Woods…would love to see his defense played in Oakland, but doubt it would happen. Our defensive philosophy is about winning one-on-one matchups, that’s the Football the old man likes…it’s more important to win the one-on-ones up front, though…
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by transparent58 on Jan 11, 2011 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
and that Seattle team just pulled one of the biggest upsets in playoff history.
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Seattle is still a joke
The Saints were down to a 4th string running back and their seondary is dog shit.
by golfswithglock on Jan 11, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Saints secondary is far from “dog shit”, they’re 4th. best in the NFL in pass defense
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They suck balls
Nice tackling. Bums.
by golfswithglock on Jan 12, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
Really good at creating turnovers.
And that is very important. They also play a bend but don’t break defense, similar to BB this year.
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4th. best secondary……gets a ton of turnovers…..gets way more attempts than we do but has similar numbers…..what does that make our secondary
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 12, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
They were without their top corner, Malcom Jenkins, as well...
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Dom Capers is okay(he was the D-Coordinator of the pats in 08 I think).
I think he has a lot of talent on defense to work with.
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He was on staff
but not DC. His roots are in the secondary, tells me something. He and LeBeau designed the zone blitz…and he’s been pretty effective with everywhere he’s been.
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by transparent58 on Jan 11, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah thats right. He was our secondary coach over at the pats.
And the pats run zones. He was okay over there, but not awesome. And in green bay he has a great secondary to work with, as well as a great front seven to use zone and blitzing with.
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I say it's the system
Pittsburgh had players like Kevin Greene and Greg Lloyd that never touched what they did in Pittsburgh after they left…same thing with Joey Porter. He also made that system work with less than shutdown corners, with the exception of Rod Woodson.
I like Clay Matthews, but I have to question if he would be so good with a different DC…
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by transparent58 on Jan 11, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
we have a lot talent to work with here but still run base blitz and base defense.
You have to give the players something to look forward to. I know as long as we run base everything. we wont beat good teams
we don't really run base anything. We have blitzed more this season than last year.
We do have talent, but not on the scale of Green Bay.
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every time we blitz most of the season it was the same old blitz that keep getting picked up
how offend did you see a slot Blitz this year I didn’t see it one time. the only wrinkle we had was when huff and Branch both blitzed.
You have a point. Still better than the previous year though.
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Al believed Stanford Routt was going to be the complement to Nnamdi. Well, Al may be disappointed now, IDK.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 10, 2011 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
A better consistent pass rush would also help our man up corners
the more pressure on the QB the less time he has to find an open receiver and the less time need to blanket cover the WR.
Ive been all over here pleading for Champ Bailey to play opposite Nnam. But if we lose Nnam. then switching to a zone “D” might be the answer. The only problem with that is we have man up guys who don’t seem to play zone particularly well.
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
we were top-5 in sacks. Don’t really know how much more consistent we can be. However, having Champ Bailey with Nnamdi would have been our only good option. And that alone would break our bank. Especially if a salary cap comes back.
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I meant consistant game to game coaching wise,
We never even touched Peyton and he had all day to wait for anyone Nnamdi wasn’t guarding to come open. To run the man up defense old Al likes to run, we need to be number one in sacks, knock downs and pressures or the second and third corners are going to get burnt up. There are two types of sacks pressure sacks and coverage sacks, we need pressure sacks to shorten the amount of time our corners have to cover. With our defense as we run it, we put more pressure on our CB’s than anyone else in the league. If your not top man corner. your going to struggle, that’s why Ive been calling for Champ Bailey. Break the bank or not, that is the only way the defense we are forced to run will be successful.
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you are so right.
we need DE’s like the colts and revis and Nnamdi for this system to work.
Chris carter?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMVtxfRt8ok
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He is our best trade bait so losing him for nothing is a disaster.
Firing Cable was a good thing and losing Nnamdi was horrible.
Don't Trade Monta
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Huff likes it raw
by JohnnyDangerously on Jan 10, 2011 4:10 PM PST reply actions
we couldn’t do anything, it’s how the contract was structured. That’s the only way he’d sign, and it was the best the team could do for itself. The fact that the void clause was in there saved us a big bundle of money (imagine how much we would have to pay with Brees, Manning, and Brady getting new deals).
We couldn’t trade him, because he would no longer be under contract. The team HAS to let him go. That’s the contract.
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If we sign him again early on, you think we can trade him?
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depends on what kind of contract we’d have him on. Teams would be reluctant if we give him another massive deal.
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a 4 year contract should work.
dont know how much money would be best.
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probably around what teams would pay, but would they pay AND then trade the necessary trade pieces (first round pick, third round pick, and a a good player [good starter])
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I'd say next year's first rounder, and this year's second rounder(or 3rd).
a player…. might be stretching it. :/
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depends really.
(we’ll have two first rounders next year!!!).
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If a team wants him they will make their own offer
Why would they give up draft picks also? There isn’t any sign & trade of a UFA. This isn’t the NBA.
by lchristmas on Jan 11, 2011 6:12 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
All of a sudden
the fans are GMs, negotiating and assessing salaries? WTF! This is hilarious stuff; that which was accomplished this season should be built upon, not dismantled from the top-down. Consistency and a winning environment is what we were seeking for a long time, not complaining how much a particular player’s salary is.
We need Nnamdi plus another great corner for the way we play the game. Also, we need better offensive linemen, including center, for better PASSING and run-blocking; another respectable WR, and allow linebackers like Howard to come in on passing downs. Why take a chance and dabble with “what-ifs” by disrupting the new-found chemistry on such a young team. This unit does not need an added 18mil to reap the players needed to fulfill Al and the Nation’s dream of being a viable force in the league again.
Let’s ‘not get it twisted!’ Hopefully we get a head coach in-place in a timely manner, keep our best players and get on with the business of putting together a Super Bowl winning football team again in Oakland, for the Bay Area and the Nation (not necessarily in that order.)
okay, getting Nnamdi back and an elite corner, and all the other moves stated above is a crazy amount of cash. If there’s going to be a salary cap (more than likely), then those moves are impossible.
I’d rather not have a corner who made the performance of his fellow corners worse and doesn’t make any plays, than go without a veteran receiver, a new O-Lineman, and an OLB. Those three needs are much greater than corner and all three can probably be obtained with Nnamdi’s would-be salary.
I’m not being a GM here, just a guy who sees the business side of the NFL in conjunction with player moves
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I think you missed the point KA1Z3R.
Nnamdi didn’t make the performance of his fellow corners worse. Think of Routt and Johnson as a new Camry. Parked next to a new Viper (Nnamdi) they look absurdly plain, and subpar. Parked next to an older model Camry (Chris Carr, Fabian Washington) they’re still looking good. Though I’m sure the team could use the cap space, there are other ways to come up with it, ways that don’t involve cutting the guy who can remove the opposing team’s best wideout from the game.
Beyond that, I think we should all calm down and start breathing again, because nothing has or will happen for quite a while.
one exhausted corner and one corner who’s rested from lack of action due to avoidance. Take away the avoidance and you have two corners getting a typical NFL corner’s amount of passes thrown on them. Fewer slip-ups because of less attempts on that one guy. Sure there will still be slip-ups, but i believe it at a reduced rate.
Like having one gorgeous car that no one drives because they don’t wanna ruin it, and the car everyone drives. That new car never has anything wrong happen, while the other car is beat up and constantly needing repairs due to high workload. Get another car for everyone to drive to go with the old one. Now the old one needs less work done and runs better.
Lol, i suck at vehicle metaphors.
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I see your point tho.
I just don’t agree personally.
which I can understand, I know I’m in the minority in terms of Asomugha
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by the red guy on Jan 11, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
We need Nnamdi plus another great corner for the way we play the game. Also, we need better offensive linemen, including center, for better PASSING and run-blocking; another respectable WR
Why take a chance and dabble with "what-ifs" by disrupting the new-found chemistry on such a young team. This unit does not need an added 18mil to reap the players needed to fulfill Al and the Nation’s dream of being a viable force in the league again.
Contradictory. The moves you say we need would still do about the same in terms of chemistry changes and at far greater than that “18 mil” worth of players.
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cj is pretty terrible
it seems like every single time someone throws at him its an automatic PI. hes really fast other then that hes pretty garbage
no wrong place for that comment
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 10, 2011 7:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I enjoy your work
But that’s good even by your standards
by lchristmas on Jan 11, 2011 6:13 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
we didnt lose him yet..
hes a free agent we still have first dibs to resign him, he will make the most money with us, nnamdi is a man of morals i think we have a good shot at keeping him. sucks we already lost shane lechler tho that guy is seriously our mvp, im not even joking that dude single handedly keeps us in games when our offense is struggling.
Can’t see Nnamdi coming back. We lost our coaching consistency (he’s always wanted that and I bet he’s not at all happy it’s gone). More reasons in a comment above.
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You Act Like Cable's Decision is Going to Kill This Team!!!
Come on KA1Z3R !!! Okay, they LIKED CABLE !!! He was RahRah type of guy, but he was NO DAMN MODEL of consistancy. Give me a break with that Bullshit. and Damn forsure had NOTHING to add when it came too defensive stratergies !!! Cable’s leaving isn’t gonna cost a massive ripple effect !!!
Strange that Cable's leadership meant so much to Nnamdi ... after 8 years and 3 Pro Bowls, one would expect Nnamdi to bring some of his own leadership and stability to the team
I’d like to hear what the real Leader of this team has to say; I’d like to hear what Big Dick Seymour thinks about ’the Cable decision."
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 10, 2011 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
Probably What I Said, Sons !!!!
Inspirational….. YES !!! Strategical…. NO !!!
by papabegood on Jan 10, 2011 7:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
just remember there is no defensive strategies other than play man to man Al’s way
by SoCalgenius on Jan 10, 2011 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
+10000000
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He is an UNRESTRICTED free agent.
UNRESTRICTED as in WE DO NOT HAVE “DIBS” on resigning him. This isn’t hard to understand.
by Mike Garza on Jan 10, 2011 5:54 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
we cant loose nam
our pass d will stink like dog pooh…..
by 414 RAIDER FREAK on Jan 10, 2011 4:45 PM PST reply actions
Routt and Johnson actually are pretty good when they aren’t pulverized to death. A new nickel corner at least though, is needed
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cj is pretty terrible
it seems like every single time someone throws at him its an automatic PI. hes really fast other then that hes pretty garbage
Wait wait wait.
Chris Johnson….Gets beat SO BAD. In 2009, I’m telling you, almost EVERY SINGLE GAME, Deion Sanders was busy yelling “Come on Chris!!” Know why? Because he spent ALL OF HIS TIME getting Beat on Vertical Passes. Those are the WORST plays to get beat on. Branch is NOT GOOD in zone coverage. man, he does okay of a job..although he gave up 8 TDs this year (read it from an article featured on Raidernews.com), Huff is Okay at Free Safety; he should probably be made to cover TEs instead.
Now, there are two HUGE REASON why we’re ranked that low in giving up touchdowns. 1) THE RUN DEFENSE. ’Nuff Said. 2) THE GOAL LINE ZONE DEFENSE. ’Nuff said as well.
IF Nnamdi goes, and we STILL play Cover 1 MAN, we’re getting TOASTED. The Patriots don’t play that shit, The Jets don’t, Green Bay Don’t, Minnesota (with healthy receivers) Don’t, Chicago has SPEED so the Vertical pass WILL be exploited, and let’s not forget San Diego.
That first San Diego game ALONE was a PERFECT example of how bad our other corner can be in Man AND Zone.
Now, with Nnamdi gone, we go….6-7 wins AT BEST.
We NEED him. End of story.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Jan 10, 2011 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
We need him and Champ Bailey or a new defensive scheme
that doesn’t put so much pressure on the CB’s
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
Routt is good
, CJ i dont know, he may be able to be our nickel if Nnamdis gone, but hes getting old and doesnt look to good
by RyanTheRaider on Jan 10, 2011 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
Guys... I think the best player to get with our 2nd rounder is Mark Herzlich.
He can cover VERY well, and is an excellent overall OLB that can play both 3-4, AND 4-3(mostly 4-3). He can play in all spots as well.
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reason I bring this up is because
He can solve our “big runs” problem, and our covering(especially TEs) problem.
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Many are saying Herzlich can be had in the 4th round.
I think the injury and his slower than slug speed are the major concerns. If we can get him in the 4th that would be a great addition.
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Studies show stress can kill you, but don't worry about it.
he is mostly healed from the injury now.
At the moment, he is listed as a second round prospect. If he slips though, don’t be surprised if another team picks him up though. He has extreme amount of talent.
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i would kill to have Herzlich. Immediate impact, great tackler, very smart, can actually take good pursuit angles, and you’re right in that he’s amazing in coverage. I would love having him as our second round pick. He’s probably the best thing for this team as it is currently structured.
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dude
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=187956
He got those INTs this year with a cast on, and plus it doesn’t even name passes defended. He is awesome.
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He also got those INTs in the wack ass ACC
against wack ass ACC QBs…
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by transparent58 on Jan 11, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
Okay. Please look at his other years, a and not just this one.
He is very good in coverage. And he makes quite a bit of passes defended.
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College stats can be misleading
especially given the competition he played against. He could be very good, but I take stats from ACC and Big East schools with a grain of salt…
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by transparent58 on Jan 11, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
They can be misleading, but you can't throw away the fact that, as a LB, he was able to do those things in college.
Not many LBs in college can do what he does in coverage, and that’s something to note that he is special.
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Sure I can
I’ve seen RBs put up 2000+ yards in the Big 12 and flop in the NFL. Seen a gaggle of Heisman winners suck taint on the bigger stage. I saw a two time Butkus winner with a gnarly mullet flame out in Seattle. I thought Pozluzny was going to be the next Urlacher…thought Mike Huff was the next Ed Reed…you. just. never. know…
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by transparent58 on Jan 11, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
I understand that. Believe me I do.
But there are also guys who actually make a great impact in the nfl, and make a very good transition. Such as, Calvin Johnson, Matt Ryan(also from BC), Eric Berry, Adrian Peterson, Mario Williams, etc etc.
It’s the draft. No one, not even so called “gurus” can predict how prospects will do in the nfl(remember how kiper was saying that clausen was the most nfl ready QB? Blah!). All we know, is that some prospects do really special things in college, and if they address our needs, then go for them, and take that chance.
Herzlich plays all LB positions, plays both the 3-4, and 4-3(mostly 4-3), He has great instincts in both the pass and run, and he has great size as well. I am also a BC fan, so when I can, I watch BC and see how he performs, and he has been GREAT for the BC defense(who is by the way top 10 in the nation).
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before the injury(wikipedia) after his 2008 career,
From wikipedia:
In 2008 Herzlich was a First-team All-American and the ACC Defensive Player of the Year. He was also a finalist for the Butkus Award, and a quarterfinalist for the Lott Trophy. He led the team with 110 tackles and 81 stops, six interceptions, eight pass break-ups, two forced fumbles, and two fumble recoveries and also had 13 tackles for a loss. In November 2008, Herzlich was ranked as the 45th best prospect for the 2009 NFL Draft but announced his return to Boston College for the 2009 season.5
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Sounds like a good player, but I think he'll be available later
I think we should go best available OL, period
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 11, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
He's an early second rounder.
The best center after wisnieski, is a 3rd rounder named Kristopher O’Dowd. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2011_C
And in terms of OT, here is a list: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2011_OT
I do like Derrick Hall from Stanford, the 5th round OT. We cab get another OT before that as well.
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formerly patriotguy2 ;)
Derek hall might be good at RT.
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formerly patriotguy2 ;)
i was reading until you were asking questions like was he worth being paid what he was
he was plain and simple, you said he was the most avoided corner, its for a reason. Why test him when the CB on the other side is basically invisible to the QB eyes. You think our pass defense is bad now? lol. think about it our biggest problem was run stop and now it will be pass defense too. we are going to have the worst defense in the league in all aspects especially with players who are going to be FA we are losing alot. Cable and Aso out the door players will follow.
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exactly my point!
at least someone gets it. he is a leader on our team. players look up to him. players looked up to cable. if AL lets ASo go there might be a full scale mutiny on the team
LOL
its funny how much of the mixed feelings going on here, i remember Al was the most hated person in the nation a few years back now people are backn him up. This team is doomed as long as Davis is in control. Unless Al pulls a hudini and get gruden back on board, maybe rob ryan, or one of those guys the Vet players liked; we are taking huge steps back. I want to see how this guy tops the rest of the offseason off, this might be a really humurous draft.
Success is not measuredby what you accomplish, but by the opposition you have encountered, and the courage with which you have maintained the struggle against overwhelming odds...
-Orison Swett Marden
And the 2nd round pick of the Oakland Raiders...
Usain Bolt?!?!?!?
If that's the case, fuck 'em.
But I highly doubt the team just withers and dies if both Cable and Aso are gone…
No one is worth what Aso was being paid, plain and simple. Super Bowl winning, and future HoF QBs don’t make that much money. CB is a bit part in the success of the team.
If he wants to go, let him, cut Lechler and Seabass, too. Then sign some football players…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 11, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
The team died after the superbowl bro
if our own players dont want to play for us, “football players” wont play for us then
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They "professionals"
they’ll play where they’re getting paid. My point is to stop overpaying for specialists (P, K, and I consider a cover corner to be a specialist, too.) Get stronger up front…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 12, 2011 1:51 AM PST up reply actions
i like how your trying to be positive with this post
but the fact is this is a HUGE HUGE hit to the team. it is the single worst thing that could of happened to us this offseason. all we can do now is pray that al resigns him. if he doesnt want to stay here maybe at least he will let us do a sign and trade with him for all the years that he was with us out of pure respect. other then that this team just took a huge step back.
Is there a rule against sign and trades? I know this isn’t NBA, but is there anything that’d prevent it?
We allow 18 yard passing per game with him
225 w/o… Nuff said
Okay not enough? HES THE BEST CB IN THE NFL
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1) Teams run so frequently on us that we don’t see very many pass attempts
2) Still we’re tied for worse with 13.3 yards per completion and 28th. in most passing touchdowns allowed
Having the best corner in the NFL really did wonders. If the team won’t use him right, and we aren’t getting anything out of him, then why should we pay him a massive salary? Spend the money elsewhere on more players to fill more holes.
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I think the problem isn't with Nnamdi's side of the field dude.
The problem is the guys lined up on the other side. I’m sorry, but Johnson couldn’t cover himself with a blanket, and Routt gets called for more PI’s than Tom Selleck. If you have a Great corner on one side, and a decent corner on the other, the decent corner is gonna get tested more.
and the decent corner, who’s getting thrown on more than any other in the league, will give up those big plays. it’s just the laws of probability. The chances that he will make a slip-up are multiplied the more that a pass is attempted his way.
Like the chances a running back will get 100 yards are amplified by his number of carry opportunities. Even a guy with 3.5 YPC can get 100 yards if he gets his attempts.
just as a corner who’s playing good solid football’s chances of making a mistake are amplified by the number of times he’s attempted on. Reduce the attempts and shift them to the other side and you have that corner with less chance of a mistake, and another with more than likely near the same chance.
Instead of a sure-thing play on one side, you have two not so sure options. QB’s no longer can just go Routt’s side, but have to look, diagnose, and decide where to go. More time thinking=more chances of sack, pressure, or incompletion.
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I think you missed the point.
No matter how many total yards the running back gets, 3.5 YPC is 3.5 YPC. So if you have a decent corner on either side of the field, now you have two guys that are easy pickings, and two guys that are giving up big plays. Besides that, good QBs don’t just stop looking Asomugha’s way, and if this team want’s to go to the super bowl, they have to beat good QBs.
those two guys (even if in worst case it’s Routt and Chris Johnson) aren’t easy pickings. They’re two good corners who would be where they play best, at the #1 and #2 corner spots. If you watch them in the first 20 minutes of the game, they’re actually pretty good. After that though they start to slip up because by that point they’ve seen a whole game’s worth of passes.
I still would like another corner added, don’t get me wrong, but Routt and Johnson’s performances are skewed by Routt being the most targeted corner last year, and CJ the most targeted over a three-year span.
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Right.
So instead of having one of the best corners in the league, we’ll get just another corner to fill some space.
A good idea would be to obtain another shut down corner, and then the other teams that we play, have an even bigger problem.
Even when they sign the CBA.
It wouldn’t be fully implemented until 2012. Is there a Salary Cap this year ???? I thought they’re were uncapped for 2010, 11 seasons !!! If so, 1yr deals all around, and make a definite run for the Super Bowl !!!!
As a 49ers fan, let me be the first to say....
Nnamdi is a straight BEAST! He’s better than Revis and is hands down the best corner in the NFL…But I do agree that I don’t think you’ll suffer too much with him gone. But man I sure hope the 49ers can sign him, he’s exactly what we need.
How?
Is he better than Revis when Revis plays the best receiver and Nnamdi only plays 1 side of the field
That's like saying
“My Ford Pinto is WAAAAAY better than that piece of crap Shelby Cobra because I race it more.”
by the red guy on Jan 13, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
Nope
Show of hands.
Who thinks this Silver & Black family member is out of his mind?
by J. Da Pirate on Jan 10, 2011 7:41 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Are You Insane!!!!
How can we possibly be better without one of the best corners in the game. Now lets talk about his tackling which is way above average for a dback and the way he goes about his business.Big Al needs to be bitch slapped and not have his diaper changed for this screw-up.If we had a full time G.M. and someone that is not a yes man in the front office this would have never happened.Aso ,without question was our best player and I for one will miss him dearly.Good luck my friend I can’t blame you for leaving you deserve better. Now if we could get Big Al to leave , I’m just saying.
If we had a GM in the front office, Nnamdi wouldn't have been scheduled
to make $16.8 million for next year. No GM in their right mind pays a CB, no matter how good, that kind of money, only Al is crazy enough to do that.
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
by rambis64 on Jan 11, 2011 7:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
you my friend are a jabronie.
yah its a real good idea to lose a guy that cuts down half the field. are you al davis’ kid? seriously? for christ sakes.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Jan 10, 2011 8:18 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Peyton Manning
doesn’t make 17 million.
This gives the team first opportunity to negotiate a long term deal before Nam hits the open market. Al loves him, and they will get something worked out. Worst case I think Nam would do a sign and trade type of deal so he can go to a contender, and we can get some picks out of it.
Relax everyone. Players come and go, try not to get so attached.
"We can't stop here... This is bat country."
I can care less about Mannings money
We have to overpay all our guys to stay, im fine with keeping aso for 15 mil
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wow im really shocked by some of these responses
“players come and go”
“were better off”
“its not that big”
i mean get real, are we the Pats to let go of guys and just replace them? lol not even close. smh. please stop being naive, if just losing was getting ppl upset just imagine where we are heading into now.
WE DONT EVEN HAVE A FIRST ROUND PICK! and every player who is pro bowl caliber is a FA outside of Lechler and lets see how excited he will be to play as a raider next year. This organization is a joke, Fabian Washington? DHB? Jamarcus? i guess the concensus was as long as we dont have the 1st round pick no way we can draft a bust now right? smh
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We don't have a first round pick, but we do have Seymour
With Al’s past draft bust’s and lack of real player evaluation skills, I’d trade our 1st round pick every year for a proven NFL caliber stud like Seymour, at least we wouldn’t have to suffer through JaFattass or DHB type draft busts and the colossal waste of money and time that comes with it.
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
true but we cant even get him to sign a contract so he might just go with that pick. for all we know hes going back to the pats with an extra 1st round pick
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-Orison Swett Marden
I hated that contract but by no means are we better without Nnamdi.......
I think the rest of the dbs are pretty suspect but I do like me some Stevie Brown that kid is going to do some amazing things before his career is over. There are 212 free agents this year their should be no reason that the Raiders cant put up a competetive team . We need to buck up and sign Jackson as our coach . Along with a CB,S,T,G I would like to see them go get Vincent Jackson he would be a great weapon for us . If you dont come back Nnamdi I will miss you just like I miss Cable both of you guys were a credit to the Raider organization !
GO RAIDERS!!!
Bongsmoke
Wrong, K. this isn't a discussion of pay. That's all been done.
And he was never consistently moved all over the field, and suffered the majority of the year from a near break to the ankle.
If he goes, we’ll soon find out the hard way what he is to this team. It’s no accident, with as young as we are, that trouble has escaped the locker room completely. It’s plain ignorant to put the completion stats on Nnamdi, or to question our ultimate results vs. The pass, especially considering the time he missed due to injury, and that he played less than 100% in most of the one upon his return.
I pray we never find what happens if he goes. I believe he’ll re-sign a more modest, but competitive contract. Not the time to be changing things at all.
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""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Agree
Nnamdi is the Man. Our D-Line was much improved this year, but our LB corps is still average at best, our safeties make mental mistakes, and our other CBs are unreliable. Without Nnamdi, our defense will take a big step backward as long as Oakland maintains a man-to-man scheme. There’s no way you can sugarcoat Nnamdi leaving (if he does) as not being a major loss.
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None whatsoever. I wonder if these guys have watched the games for the last six years
And while much of the defense was horrid, and the offense non-existent, the pass defense was formidable, and always on Nnamdi’s side. Many of the statistical passes against us came to running backs, fullbacks, and TEs not covered by corners.
Aside from that, he’s been the catalyst to help us through all the different coaches, and we absolutely need him to carry us through this one.
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and Nnam's play exposed the deficiencies of our LBs - All of them, except perhaps Goethel
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 12, 2011 7:20 AM PST up reply actions
One thing Ryan knew was Howard needed to be in coverage against the TEs, backs
In this division whom we face so often. He ain’t com in back here, though.
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I say we get rid of Jano and Lechler.
We can easily find a decent punter and kicker. They are paid way too much. Re structure DHB contract or get rid of him. Let Huff go and start Mitchell. Put Howard back in the starting line up and def drop Higgins.
Huff?
Are you out of your mind?
Huffy just had the best season of his career this year. Our safeties are money, period. If anything we need to keep Routt at No.2, trade DHB for anything (a water boy would be an upgrade from that guy) along with Chris Johnson (though not as bad as DHB) or maybe both for a decent possession WR.
by J. Da Pirate on Jan 10, 2011 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
Howard is a FA
How many times has our kicking game saved our ass the last 10 years? A LOT. Cut DHB’s money, cut Chris Johnson and resign Aso, Seymour , Kam and Huff and franchise Miller
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how many times has that fat fuck missed a chip shot to lose a game for us? You’ve had so many field goals because we had the worst offense in the league most of those years and couldn’t score 6
by SoCalgenius on Jan 10, 2011 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
Not that we're getting rid of a top 5 nfl kicker
But, once I believe is your answer. How many chip shots do you think he’s missed to lose games – over the last 10 years?
by lchristmas on Jan 11, 2011 6:17 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
How many times has it come down to our kicking game?
We’ve averaged 5-6 wins a season over the past 8 years…maybe we’re paying the wrong people. Yes, we have had the best CB, P, and PK in football over the past 6 years and that’s lead to ZERO playoff appearances.
Games and championships are won in the trenches. We finally are building our lines the right way. You run the ball effectively and protect the QB, you win. You stop the run and pressure the opposing QB, you win. Notice there’s nothing in those statements about having a “Shut Down” corner? We’re spending way too much money on luxury players rather than having solid depth in the trenches. I, for one, hope Al is recognizing his folly of overpaying our kickers and secondary and returning to physically imposing our will.
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by transparent58 on Jan 11, 2011 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, I've though about this too and it's a defeatist attitude to sink so much into "safety net positions" - punter, kicker
Upgrade the OL and bring 1st down average up and punting average down … get more redzone TDs, stop settling for fieldgoals. These are safety net habits, incompatible with the “just dominate, baby” philosophy of the brave new Raider age.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 11, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Al is crazy, but he'll get his guy
He is towards the end of the line and is willing to do whatever it takes to get another Super Bowl. I doubt he’ll let Nnamdi get away. Same thing goes for out other top free agents. Al’s life is the Raiders. He wants another one so badly, and once the CBA thing gets figured out, I expect Al to pull out the checkbook and spend big.
you must be high, you dont get better by subtracting the best player on the team. Now your going to trust Al to make personel choices and multiple moves at that. To replace someone who really is unreplaceable, once again stupid prideful move.He is a great character guy and positive force in the community and nation. F you AL you’ve done it once again shit the bed one more time when things are getting better you meddle and set us back 5 more years, go draft abunch of fast guys im sure you could make one of them the next Nmamdi on 4 or 5 years. And go find the next great coach so you can fire him once things turn around. Ever notice how most teams get rid of the coach after bad seasons, Al fires ours when they start doing good. why not leave it all alone and build on it next year. Just Win Baby? what ever happened to that you sorry wrinkled old man
WRONG!
How in the hell can you judge a player on whether or not he “mentors?” Dude, that is stupid. First off, how the hell do you even know if he is a mentor or not? Do you have some inside information? Judging by your article, I can tell that you don’t. Second, I don’t care if NA21 mentors players or not. Wanna know why? BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT WE PAY COACHES FOR. It would be nice if a player does mentor (And for all we know, he does…..how you make-believe he doesn’t is kind of weird to me) but that doesn’t make up for good coaching. Third, DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT LOSING NA21 IS NO BIG DEAL?? Your crazy. We play a ton of man-coverage on D. NA21 is the best cover-back in NFL. I don’t have a masters in Logic from Yale, but I’m gonna guess that it would be a huge blow if we lost him in terms of our Defense.
When you “chatted” with NA21 like your article states, was he a dick to you? Because your little rant article makes it seem like he wasn’t very nice to you and you hold a grudge.
Also....
How come every article written about NA21 states that he is “a great leader in the locker-room and on the field” if he is in fact (in your words) a "bad mentor’?
Also, I read all the comments on this article and noticed something a little peculiar. You haven’t responded to one negative response to your article. Why is this?
Like I have already stated, it sounds to me like NA21 nailed your wife/daughter. How you make up the fact that he is not a mentor when EVERYONE says how awesome of a leader he is, is so far over my head that it is making me dizzy trying to even imagine it.
by Surfvolcom77 on Jan 10, 2011 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
The Coaches probably insisted that Nnamdi ease off mentoring after seeing how "-" had developed under his care
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 11, 2011 6:45 AM PST up reply actions
Lol
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
wow really? You can’t just be civilized with your comments? Sorry that i have a life and can’t answer every individual comment as it comes in. I’m a 16 year old high school student in a committed relationship. I have a lot on my plate was lucky enough to manage to actually post an article.
My discussion with Nnamdi was actually one of the highlights of my life and he is the epitome of class. Like i have said multiple times (if you had actually read the article), Nnamdi is a great guy who i hold no personal grudge against and would not mind seeing him back. Though, my preference is that we move on without him.
Secondly, great leader does not mean great mentor. Just means he leads our defense, yet I never heard of or saw evidence of him tutoring and teaching the D.
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The intensity of the responses to your article are a testament to its strength.
Say more on the distinction between leader and tutor, please.
by Spirals galore on Jan 11, 2011 7:00 AM PST up reply actions
still, that was a tad over the line.
Nnamdi was and is a leader. He commands the defense (played the MLB role for a long time calling the plays and giving the audibles).
However, as a tutor I never once heard of him staying after practices with the DB’s and working on things like scheme integration, route recognition, so on and so forth. He stayed after with Heyward-bey on couple instances but i didn’t see very much improvement.
If you’re not making plays on the field (0 forced turnovers last year), then at least help others make plays so maybe you won’t be so avoided. Just look at Richard Seymour his first year. Had like what, 3 sacks? However, he made Shaughnessy, Scott, and even Kelly (admittedly more this year than last) much better/increased their development.
I never saw of or heard of Nnamdi doing this for any of the other DB’s (again I may have missed where it said this), and I never saw any evidence of it on the field.
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Yeah, I'm not sure where the mentor
comment comes from.
Huff’s interceptions have gone up directly as a result of Nnamdi helping him in that area last year.
Never heard of Nnamdi tutoring Huff but i easily could have missed it. if i did, I apologize.
i suspect Huff’s increase in INT’s as more of him geting used to scheme, learning the league, developing as a player, and going from “first-round talent from texas that I need to watch for”, to “this guy is a nobody near-bust”. Perception around the league makes a ton of difference (Nnamdi Asomugha)
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Welcome, SV77
Interesting observation. I believe he’s way off with this post as well, but that’s what replies are for.
Stick around. We can use some new blood. Where do u surf?
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This is crazy…
yea our pass D was not that great, but the thing is Namdi took away pretty much half of the field by air….made QB’s think twice or even three times about throwing to his side…..you can’t easily replace that
and then the other half of the field was so heavily pulverized by passes that eventually they just couldn’t bend any longer. It would happen to anyone short of a top-10 corner in this league which is probably out of our price range.
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Okay, since there’s been a ton of comments since i went to bed, I’ll address multiple issues in said comments here:
1) Our pass defense gave up 13.3 yards per pass and 29 passing touchdowns. Nnamdi isn’t the cause of it, but he didn’t really help it. What’s the point of having the best corner in the NFL, when we still are tied for league worst in average yards per completion, and are 25th. in most passing touchdowns allowed.
2) Nnamdi is a great player, but the fact he was avoided so much did hurt the secondary. Routt and Johnson saw a crazy amount of passes their way. No corner in the NFL can be passed on that much and not give up big plays. Routt and Johnson are actually both good corners (though Johnson is like Routt and can’t play nickel). However, when there’s that many passes going your way, no duh you’re gonna give up something eventually.
3) The idea of bringing in another shutdown corner to go with Nnamdi is good in theory, but near impossible for us to execute. Why? Champ Bailey has already openly expressed an interest in returning to Denver if Tebow is the starter. i have no doubt tebow will start in Denver next year, and Denver will give a ton of money for Bailey. Our next option is Johnathan Joesph. I believe is an RFA (someone please confirm whether he is or not) and thus we’re unlikely to get him due to salary matching and compensation.
3a) Even if there’s not a salary cap, we do have a ton of good free agents and eventual draft picks to sign. The team is also still trying to get money for a stadium repair/change/upgrade. The money just isn’t there to sing Nnamdi to an ungodly contract (probably four years 25 mil), and to get another shutdown corner (again that’s roughly about anywhere from 16-20 mil a year)
4) The money saved from Nnamdi’s contract can be used to fill multiple positions and give us a better all around team that’s more well rounded.
5) Nnamdi wasn’t making plays and he wasn’t preventing them as mentioned by the fact we are 28th. in passing touchdowns allowed and 25th. in INT’s (with Nnamdi getting none despite being moved around in better positions to)
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by KA1Z3R on Jan 11, 2011 6:51 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Also we need a new defensive gameplan that doesn't rely so heavily on man to man.
It’s too easy for a good QB to just survey the field and determine the mismatch on every play. Also in the process there is no need to sign a big-time corner and it frees up money for other need positions. Al is a genius my ass.
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if Nnamdi is in fact not going to return, I have a huge suspicion that zone will be seeing a lot of action. Nnamdi was his sole purpose for man-to-man (Woodson before him). Without an elite corner, he’ll have to go zone and I’m sure he knows it. From there, solid corners like Routt and Johnson can start to look a lot better, as would our linebackers who would be freed from man coverage responsibilities.
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I think you are dreaming first off.
Al wasn’t the main reason for this year draft. Tom Cable had a lot to do with it. We all know the teams needs but how man people think AL is going to draft for needs. I don’t The only think AL has shown we is able to draft is DB’s. We need to find a HC now so he can bring in a staff and fire all of AL’s puppets on the caoching staff. I really don’t think we wil do better than 5-11 if we keep the same staff and defense. The only way you allow Nnamdi to leave if we change the system and bring in better players.
Al davis will still always decide the drafts and always decide his coaching staffs. Cable had input, but no final say on either.
As for better players and scheme change-
Without the dream man coverage corner around, Al Davis will have to go more zone out of sheer necessity (the mother of invention). Davis may be a bit off his rocker at times, but he still knows football and still closely monitors his team and what kind of personnel he has.
And with Nnamdi’s massive contract off the books, we can sign some good FA’s to fill more holes on the team. I’ll take losing Nnamdi and getting a good RT, OLB, S, RG, etc over keeping Nnamdi and not getting the aforementioned additions.
teams don’t win with having one superstar on defense, but 11 good solid players with one or two great ones (Seymour)
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He has the final say so but he didn't lay out the draft.
how are we going to pick up in the draft or FA to play good man to man. And do you trust AL to Draft a good RT or RG I don’t. The only thing AL is good at Drafting is DB’s. I would rather get better plays if Nnamdi goes but we are talking about AL Davis when was the last Game changer he picked up in FA Rod Woodsons. We need a GM that can run the team AL has shown too many times he doesn’t have a clue what he is doing. He over pays players he over paid Nnamdi first of all instead of just giving him a long term deal. Then he makes both ur kickers the highest paid in the NFL which is crazy then he puts off paying Seymour which is the reason why we can’t get pay Nnamdi now or pick up any top FA this off season. I agree teams don’t win with one superstar but they don’w win running man to man all game
And do you trust AL to Draft a good RT or RG
If he got us a good LT in Veldheer, then he can pull off getting an improvement at RT/RG. We might already have that in B. Campbell but who knows.
The only thing AL is good at Drafting is DB’s.
So then what are Zach Miller, Matt Shaughnessy, Jared Veldheer, Darren McFadden, Michael Bush, Lamarr Houston, and Rolando McClain?
we are talking about AL Davis when was the last Game changer he picked up in FA Rod Woodsons
I thought Kamerion Wimbley was a game changer. He suffocated Denver in the first meeting, killed KC in the second meeting, and was an amazing pass rushing force. We get Trevvor Scott back as a blitz backer/pass rush DE combo and we’ll be incredible. I know a lot of people won’t call Wimbley a game changer, but I think he is.
He over pays players he over paid Nnamdi
So we agree he was overpayed then. Also, that was the only way to keep him was to pay gargantuan sums of money. he wanted continuity and to play for a winner, so we just had to outpay what he would get elsewhere.
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You don't understand
Bad picks = als fault
Good picks = had to be somebody elses idea
by lchristmas on Jan 11, 2011 12:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I thought that's how it always went
While Al didn’t put those Super Bowl winners together single handedly (Ron Wolf had a big hand in it, too) Al breathes football…every personnel man fucks a crocodile from time to time…I remember hearing Bill Walsh say Brian Griese was going to be a better NFL QB than Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf…with would be a good batting average in baseball…
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by transparent58 on Jan 11, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
No but seriously, Al knows nothing about O-line.
Good thing Cable was an O-line coach and found him. Al just sticks around in the fist because that’s were the big dogs are at. He doesn’t follow the irrelevent players in the later rounds.
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That's why you notice the normally solid late round picks our team has received via the draft.
Finally someone has been paying attention.
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He seemed to put grab some OLs
that are in the Hall of Fame…and some other really really good ones in Dalby, Wisniewski, hell before he went batshit, Barrett Robbins was an All Pro center…Veldheer was a small school gem, too.
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by transparent58 on Jan 12, 2011 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
Okay if you are going to give AL Veldheer what about all the other bad Oline draft picks.
As far as Mill and the rest of thoses picks how many of them have rieached Nnamdi’s level of play. Oh wait none of them. Miller and the rist of that list you named are role players which every teams pick up in the draft. and most of that list is thes years draft. what about all the other 15 or others drafts we don’t have nothing to show from. Wimbley is a good pick up but he is no where close to Rod Woodsons pick up. Wimbley could be great if we hired the right coaching staff to use him. Which is why I have no faith in AL doing. Other teams are getting there coaching staffs together we are just going to hire a HC. We are going to keep our bad Oline coach,WR coach,LB’s coach, and even John Marshall. Yes we over paid Nnamdi but that’s on AL if he would have just changed up the defense i’m sure Nnamdi would have stayed for much less but trying to get Al to understand he is reason the team suck is like trying to talk to a brick wall. He just doesn’t get it. He fired Tom Cable from a job in which Tom had no power to hire or fire anyone. I think as long as AL is running this team no coach will win on a regular bases because AL doesn’t give the coaches next to no power to win games. For all the credit people give AL no one talks about picks like Russell, Walker, Moss, Collins, Hall, that safety he over paid a few years back. All I am saying is if AL is such a great owner why is it no top notch coaches are running to Oakland to coach under him.
You forgot to mention Super Mario in the 3rd round that Al consistently defended while Kiffin wanted no part of.
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so I guess Darren McFadden being a top-10 running back last year and Jacoby Ford being on the NFL’s biggest gamebreakers doesn’t count then? Last time i checked they did more last year than Nnamdi did.
And I’m not saying he doesn’t have bad draft picks, EVERYONE does. Some more than others. But recently, Davis has been getting some good picks going and is building a solid foundation.
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miami game
Does anybody remember the Miami game when Nambdi wasnt there ? B.Mcfadden got clowned ! So get used to that
by RocklinRaiderfan on Jan 11, 2011 10:00 AM PST reply actions
You mean a rookie CB was put on an island and got burned
Call CNN and Fox News!
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by transparent58 on Jan 11, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
Bess is actually a pretty good receiver, very underrated and better than anyone we have (yes even over Jacoby Ford in terms of being a wide receiver)
And Mcfadden is a rookie fifth round corner who’s going to take probably another year before he starts making an impact. Definitely a guy you would call “developmental”
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And it was WALTER McFadden
Bryant McFadden is a Steeler.
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by transparent58 on Jan 11, 2011 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Decent article
I appreciate someone who really takes the time to dig into the #‘s and point out the facts. I think that IF Davis spends the Nnamdi money to upgrade other areas, like WR, DT and/or a new QB (controversial, I know, but I hate Campbell) then I think this SNAFU with him is worth it. Quite honestly, I’d like to see them go balls out for Fitzgerald and McNabb. in the draft, get the best corner you can find. Trade Campbell or Gradkowski and let whomever they keep hold the clipboard for McNabb for another season. Draft a big name QB to learn under McNabb and Campbell for a couple yrs.
KC got really good production out of Eric Berry, which makes me believe that we could find a replacement for Nnamdi right away. He may have shutdown WR’s, but by gettting us 0 turnovers all year, are you really contributing? The fact that, as the author pointed out, we were still near dead last in pass defense shows we’ve got a long way to go. Spread the wealth efficiently Al Davis. Get me a top-notch WR and run-stuffer. I wouldn’t mind finding McNabb in the bottom of my stocking either.
by Silver_n_black on Jan 11, 2011 10:25 AM PST reply actions
No to McNabb
Eric Berry is a Safety…and plays a different system than Oakland…
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by transparent58 on Jan 11, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Definitely don’t agree on McNabb or Fitzgerald (he’s working on extension in Arizona which is allegedly going fantastically)
But overall I can agree with needing the Nnamdi money for multiple fixes. I’m thinking we can at least get a good RT or RG in FA or a good OLB (rather get that in draft)
DT is fine but a run stuffing DE or OLB are definitely necessary. if i can find the website, it had a stat that said the Raiders went from like 28th. against middle runs to like 15th. or something, I’ll post it. Point is, edge rushes and big runs allowed by poor safety tackling are what’s killing us.
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I would agree with this
but I’m hoping Houston and Shaughnessy progress next year. I love Tyvon Branch, but I really feel that this guy is hurting the team in all areas of defense. I would like to see another option at SS next year, whether that be mitchell or perhaps someone else thru free agency or trade.
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I agree. I think Houston and Shaughnessy will both be better versus the run next year, especially Houston who’s still very young and very ripe in terms of development.
Also I agree about Branch, we need Mitchell or Brown to step up and take the spot. Either that or Branch needs to step his game up.
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Mcnabb is done
They are looking at rex grossman as a potential upgrade for gods sake
Put the rat on truth serum and hed tell you he wish he had JC back
by lchristmas on Jan 11, 2011 12:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Just to add on more to what KA1Z3R is saying.
Nnamdi is a great corner, and he is one of the best defenders we have on defense. Loosing him will cost us, but I think we can benefit out of it.
BY sacrificing one great corner we can:
1) Sign our other guys, like Seymour and Bush.
2) We can address our other needs, like CB, OL, LB, Safety.
I think we can be overall more better. By eliminating one Great QB that gets more money than QBs in the league(beside brady i think), we can improve our other areas that we need to address, and worry about getting a great QB later one.
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+1 except i think you meant CB on some of those lol
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Wasn't he referring to Grad?
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 11, 2011 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, meant CB. lol
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I liked this post
but none of the examples were very similar to the Raiders situation. While Pit, NO and NYG won superbowls without shutdown corners, they also don’t have the same stoic scheme that the raiders have. I would take this the other way and say that the Raiders really ought to have two shutdown corners in order to get that abysmal passing d to be better. But I def wouldnt want to pay Nnamdi 17 mil + per year….
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problem there is you have to pay two corners loads of money and we have tried this before (see DeAngelo Hall though I don’t see why I ever thought that would work)
But if we are left without Nnamdi and now with two solid but not masters of man cover corners, I think Al Davis will shift to a lot more zones.
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DeAngelo Hall was a mistake from the start and
never should have been brought here. The guy is a zone cover guy,not a man up type player. Once again Al Davis was trying to pound a square peg into a round hole, if he’d have looked at any film of Hall, he’d have seen this. Instead he went on reputation alone and fucked that up royally.
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ya...d. hall is a pretty good example of what to do
but he’s not a reason to not have two good cover corners. In fact, he may be exactly why the raiders should want to invest in two guy that can play man-to-man. And let’s be honest, referring to chris johnson as “solid” is quite generous.
Umm..ya, if al davis decides to shit to a lot more zones, looks like we’re set. I’m not counting on it though, and without inside information, we can only go into the offseason working under the assumption that we will need two strong cover corners
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Johnson is a very solid STARTING corner. Should have clarified. he’s much like Routt, he just can’t play the nickel spot for one reason or another. However, in two years starting he had 6 INTs (3 each year). Johnson knows the scheme and plays it rather well when in the starting slot, usually even against the opposing #1 receiver.
Routt, as we saw this year, is also a solid starter but horrible as a nickel defender. If we don’t get Nnamdi back, I’m confident that Chris Johnson and Stanford Routt are not too bad as a fallback plan as both are playing where they are most comfortable/effective. I don’t expect them to stay our starting corners though. Someone will get drafted or signed in FA (not necessarily Nnamdi), and they’ll take a starting spot.
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It's really tough to find someone who's effective covering the slot
especially if it’s a bigger, more physical WR. Some teams actually put their no. 1 corner on the slot in nickle packages, and I think we’d be best served doing something similar…Routt and CJ are good on the outside where they have the boundary as a friend…they’re not as good in space as Nnamdi, and really not many are…
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by transparent58 on Jan 13, 2011 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
KA1Z3R, I feel you and I have read the post and there is some good stuff here, however, I will point out that Nnambi is a free agent and NOT signed with another team, at least not yet....
At the end of the day the Raiders may resign Nnambi at a price that makes sense. Of course we have other needs that need to be addressed and I am sure the Raiders will make changes that improve the team, resigning Bush, Seymour, would be good moves, we need a QB, I know you guys think I am crazy for thinking Vince Young on a 2 year contract wouldn’t hurt the Raiders, he is a talent and he makes plays, I wouldn’t sign him to a long term deal I would make him earn it, and I know he will come at a reasonable price…Then let him earn a spot in training camp and prove himself worthy. McNabb, well, he is at the end of his career, he is still a player, however, I would not pay him top dollar, still he would help the Raiders not hurt them…McNabb would do well if they would just leave him alone and give him some blocking and weapons and remember he can still play. If we could sign a player like Fitzgerald we should, the guy can flat out play, we need a WR that attracts the double team because of the speed of our other guys, we would score 30 a game with the right QB and play calling. Ok, on D, we all know the Raiders like man on the corners and that won’t change as long as Al is calling the shots, so that has to be considered when looking at DB’s. I agree with KA1ZR for the most part, but Nnambi may end up a Raider in the end..Time will tell and I expect imp;rovement from the Raiders next season…
by Rodney Sacramento on Jan 11, 2011 8:00 PM PST reply actions
Not saying we won’t re-sign him, I just wrote this under my perception and that is that we more than likely won’t get him back.
As for Fitz, bad news. Apparently he and the Cardinals are close to an extension that’ll make him the highest-paid non-QB in the NFL. Even if it falls through, that’s way out of our price range. Though i agree we do need a WR.
I’m perfectly fine with Campbell at QB to be honest. He did pretty good for what he had.
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If Fitz is out, I'd like to try
for Vincent Jackson or Sidney Rice, but with the amount of money we’ll need to spend on our own free agents we may have to consider Plaxico Burress who would be considerably cheaper.
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but would Burress come here?
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Beats jail, and why wouldn't he. Getting to earn an NFL paycheck is sweet
plus his services might not be in as high demand as Fitz, Rice and VJ so his choices are going to be more limited. I say why not?
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True,
But to throw alot of money at him is sketchy, he’s been out a good stretch, and isn’t likely to have a good season for a year or two.
Fitz and Rice are working on extensions as we speak (Fitz closer to getting his done than Rice though). VJ might be the only really great receiver in FA this year with Burress the dark horse.
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i would like to see campbell for another year as well
Much better than any option that will likely be in free agency.
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Fitzgerald isn't even a free agent til next year on his current deal
If he goes anywhere it’s more likely to be the Chiefs he’s been quoted as saying he would follow Todd Haley to the Pop Warner ranks if thats what Haley wanted to do
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Kaiz3r is right about Nnamdi.
Just like when C. Woodson left we survived. They’re more important role players that we need to sign like Seymore, Miller, Bush, Gallery. We can resign Nanmdi but if we lose seymore and our d-line regresses then just like these other years Nnamdi will be a none factor in games. Branch, Huff will be okay. If we can get a true OLB we wont have to see Branch spying in the backfield so much, and with another year under McClain belt our D will be much improve against the run, but it comes down to resigning the key players.
Anyone can be a fan of a winning team, supporting your team when its down is what makes you a true honest fan.
I'd give up Bush, Gallery, and Miller to re-sign Nmandi
TE’s, Guards, and Power backs are a dime a dozen. You can find starters at those positions in rounds 3-7.
Franchise corners? Half the time you don’t even find those in the first round
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by R3ZZ on Jan 12, 2011 8:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Bush is no mere power back, the KC game, the first SD game in which he started, and a couple other games over the past three years have shown he’s a great split back and could be starter for several teams in the NFL. Bush at his worst is still a great change-of-pace guy who can really bust up and bruise a defense.
Miller is a Pro Bowl caliber player and one of our top 4 or 5 players. A TE who can block as well as he does, and still be a dominant receiving threat underneath and for the big play, are very rare.
Gallery is still our best O-Lineman and a dominant run blocker. He’s invaluable to the team and was a huge reason we were second in rushing. Worth noting that he’s also our most penalty free O-Lineman. The fact he was starting beside Veldheer was a big reason Veldheer did as well as he did this year.
All three of those guys were incredibly invaluable to our team’s success. All three made countless plays that won or kept us in games and were why our offense had its most productive year since 2002. Meanwhile Nnamdi didn’t make a single big play all year.
So you want to throw away 3 key players on our offense that were largely responsible for our turnaround, for a guy who didn’t improve his area of defense at all and didn’t make a single key play all year? Doesn’t make much sense to me.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 13, 2011 7:11 AM PST up reply actions
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 13, 2011 7:10 AM PST up reply actions
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 13, 2011 7:12 AM PST up reply actions
Don't be stupid
Nnam is great but giving up all those guys to keep the staus quo on defense? Besides you should not have to give all those guys up to keep Nnam unless he is unwilling to take less than $16.8 million for next year. In which case he can go and test the market and see what it bears for him. I guarantee it won’t be any where near that number.
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Now getting rid of Woodson was a good idea too?!?!
I didn’t realize we got better without Woodson. Can you imagine if we still had Woodson. There would be no weak side of the field and he doesn’t require this so called “mentoring” Nnamdi and Woodson healthy together would have been awesome. I’d pay Nnamdi however much to make them throw at Woodson all day. It would be a pick fest.
I would be more upset if
since that record contract, Nnamdi had lead us multiple playoff seasons, etc. In fact, I think that might have been one of the underlying reasons for this clause to begin with. Play more snaps than in 09? Go to the playoffs and it’s elementary. You pay players to win ball games, and paying Nnamdi, at least through the course of this contract has equalled winning ball games. You pay the big bucks for the guys that have the biggest impact. Having the best CB in the game hasn’t rendered our pass defense impenetrable, we gave 29 passing TDs this past year. It’s not that Nnamdi isn’t a great CB, but he cover ONE PLAYER, and paying him Tom Brady money completely ignores what you’re supposed to pay for in the NFL…you pay to win fucking games.
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by transparent58 on Jan 12, 2011 1:59 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Thank you!
You all knew how I felt about Nnamdi from the get-go. While it was cool to brag about owning the top shut-down corner in the league where has it gotten us? Nowhere! I posted a comment last year prior to the draft stating what if we were to package Nnamdi and our 2nd rd pick to Detroit for it’s 1st to draft Suh and you all thought I was looney. I think if Nnamdi helped lead this team to a consistent top 5 D in terms of points or yards allowed I would be pissed but for $17 million, the cost doesn’t equal the reward.
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Not all. But in hindsight, we would have given up Lamarr and Nnamdi for Suh and with the additon of Henderson and Desmond's development ... the majority were probably right (to not trade)
I posted a comment last year prior to the draft stating what if we were to package Nnamdi and our 2nd rd pick to Detroit for it’s 1st to draft Suh and you all thought I was looney.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 12, 2011 7:29 AM PST up reply actions
True to a point however both Dick and Hendo are not under contract.
Suh would be an upgrade over Houston as much as he was a great pick.
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personally, I think Suh would have been kind of a waste since DT is actually now a strength in Oakland. Seymour, Bryant, and Kelly combined for like 15 sacks and we were very good against interior runs (still trying to find the site that has that stat).
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The point I'm making is we would have been relieved of Nnamdi's insane contract and also we would have gotten something in return as opposed to him leaving scott-free which is very possible.
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i think you would likely have to add the compensation pick the raiders would gain
for losing nnamdi, right? i’m not quite sure how the NFL decides who gets what compensatory pick, but i would assume losing Nnamdi would get you something.
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compensation picks i think come from trades, an RFA signed to another team, or if you lose more free agents than you gain.
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They come from loses through free agency
and the Raiders just might get one in 2012 for the loss of Nnamdi if he leaves. It depends on the new CBA and how that clause is written.
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i'm not sure about losing more FA's than you gain
but i’m sure that picks that come through trades or RFAs are just another teams picks they’re not compensation like rambis said, the compensation system might be totally reestablished after the new cba.
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KA1Z3R I understand exactly where you are coming from, and quite frankly, you know as well as everyone else that Nnamdi was far over paid, thus the opportunity to resign him at a rate that makes sense for the team.
Campbell, please he is a fair QB at best and he just doesn’t throw the ball down the field enough, even when a guy is wide open, if there is a short WR open also, he takes the short WR 85% of the time, it makes no sense. The film on this guy says “Back Up” all over it. I like Vince Young, he is the best option available and he is a play maker, he would rack up 4 more wins for us with what we have. When Vick was available people thought I was crazy, however, my sources tell me Young is a talent and is NOT as crazy as he is portrayed in the media. Campbell is mediocre at best and that is NOT good enough, we can have winning seasons with a QB that is willing to make plays. Put it this way, I would start Grad over Campbell any day, however, as I posted over the last two seasons the guy is injury prone, thus a waste of roster space. And by the way, for you guys that think Kyle Boller can’t play, think again, he can ball as well. Vince Young is available at a cheap price right now, and we should grab him, point blank. The entire blog just about cried about NOT wanting Mike Vick and look at him now, we would have won at least 10 games with Vick at the helm, same with Vince Young, that kid can play. About the emotional stuff, save it fellas, new team, new atmosphere, and the Siver & Black, he would thrive.. The thing is we don’t have to give up the team for him, Campbell is a number 2 at best, not a number 1, he may be a 2 1/2…lol I hear what a lot of people say about Nnamdi and in his defense and as a former cornerback myself I will say this, at that position you are on a island, the best you can do is prevent WR’s from scoring TD’s. Interceptions come from bad passes and misrun routes for the most part, if a QB places the ball properly no matter how good a CB you are your picks will be low, and if you are not getting much action even less. Remember, when they are not throwing your way at CB they are having the WR you are defending running dummy routes to take you away from the play, thus the lack of fumble recoveries. I have been there, you can only jump plays that present themselves, at CB when you are game planned against it is really tough, when a CB has NO touchdowns scored against him, he is the fu-king man period. That is what CB’s are really paid for, turnovers are just addional icing on the cake, we love them of course, but for the most part bad passes, and misrun routes are the reason behind interceptions. Nnamdi is a great player at his position handsdown, I hope we can come to terms with him, he will never earn the kind of money he was paid, and if he wants to be a Raider he will. Afterall, he made his money already, it would take a real contender to sign him, I am sure.
by Rodney Sacramento on Jan 12, 2011 8:47 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Wisdom, I find no fault in this man.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 12, 2011 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
I agree with evrything you said about Nnamdi
but to play the man up system that uncle Al prefers, we’d need another shut down corner like Nnamdi to really make our system work. Because Stanford Routt and Chris Johnson are no where near the skill level of Nnamdi they get picked on constantly and Nnamdi gets avoided. The choices are, keep this system, which would mean bringing back Nnamdi and bringing in another stud corner like a Champ Bailey or scrapping this system for another that matches up better with the talent we have. Bringing in the proper DC would help that a lot. I’m tired of us pounding square pegs into round holes with regards to our players.
We should pick a system for offense and defense, then draft and bring in free agents that fit the systems we have on both sides of the ball. That’s what the top teams do and is the reason their top teams in the first place.
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Agree 100%
I guess time will have to tell with this one. Hopefully he doesn’t make a god damn TV special like the last hometown kid who left his team to go to a contender (see also: Dick Move, or Lebron James).
by the red guy on Jan 12, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
if we can get Vince Young for a reasonable price, then I would be happy. However, I think we can win with Campbell because he’s definitely not a turnover-prone guy and that accounts for a lot.
You make interesting points on Nnamdi but I’d just rather we not re-sign him. He’s not losing us any games, but he’s not really helping us win them. I know that didn’t really make sense ha ha. Just rather not pay so much for one guy who’s not really making an impact. He’s not an impact player. He doesn’t make plays that change a game like someone for his money should.
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If Nnam really wanted to help this
team be a winner he’d take half his now voided $16.8 million salary and stay, so the Raiders could use the rest to sign Champ Bailey or some other top corner. Truly, if $8.3 million a year isn’t enough, then something is very wrong here and he can go become a free agent. It’s supposed to be about the team, not the individual.
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
He's earned the right to take as much money as he wants
or to take less if he wants the team. While I’d love to see him take 8.3 mil to help the Raiders, Iwouldn’t be mad if he took the largest contract he can get, because he worked his ass off for a lot of bad teams in order to get where he is.
Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!
Problem is that Champ Bailey has openly expressed that he really wants to stay in Denver if Tebow starts week 1 (almost certainty that he will) and i hear that contract work is already being worked on.
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I heard that rumor on here before,
but no one could produce anything to corroborate it except a little hopeful mention on a pro Tebow website. I heard Champ was tired of all the change in Denver and wanted out. Of course with “change at the old man’s whim” the norm around here, maybe he wouldn’t come here anyway. I just thought that maybe he’d like to team up with another top corner in Nnamdi. Maybe they’ll team up on another team.
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
Miami game with Asomugha virtually out, Little Walter playing RCB and (Routt at LCB) ... it was Walter getting worked
Henne to Bess and Hartline over and over. So, we can expect such tests if Nnamdi leaves.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 12, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
Chris Johnson was also injured and probably would have done very well on Bess. McFadden was fifth round rookie who had played almost none all year before then. That game is not really a good reason to use because obviously Chris Johnson is a better starter than a nickel corner, and is much better than Walter Mcfadden.
That was a desperation injury situation that i don’t expect to see again as old Al Davis knows now that we need added depth at CB, Nnamdi or no Nnamdi.
Recap: Chris Johnson would have played far better if he were not injured, Walter Mcfadden does not get elevated to starter if Nnamdi indeed walks.
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Didn't we lose a lot of games while he was here?
What’s the difference?
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 12, 2011 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
We will go back to losing more than winning
When all is said and done, he’ll remain the highest paid corner. Only it won’t be for 17 million.
I believe he’ll retire a Raider. This has everything to do with the CBA.
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i kinda felt like
it was beyond debate about whether nnamdi is or is not helping the Raiders win games. He is. in a big way. Just because we can’t quantify them through conventional stats like picks or tackles does not mean that he is not a valuable commodity. Losing him will hurt. However, for the 16.8 he is slated to get, I would like to see my potential options for where that money can’t be spent elsewhere.
Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!
Yes, but the outcome of the option we take is the only one we can (eventually) know. Whereas, we already know that
Nnamdi makes 14% of the total Raider roster budget (capped at $120,000,000) while the the average Raider makes ~ 2.3 million, < 2% of the total Raider roster budget. So, for Asomugha’s salary we can pay 7 player salaries at bell-curve average rates. Moreover, we need to keep Zach, Dick and Bush … and they won’t come cheap.
If there was ever a time for Al Davis to use that celebrated talent of his for finding great value (in the later rounds and free agency), that time has come.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 12, 2011 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
i absolutely agree with this
i just kinda have a problem saying Nnamdi didnt help us win, when he did.
We do need to keep those three guys, though. I also wouldnt mind going after a guy like John Joseph (Cb from Cincinnati). He had a bad year last year but he’s been successful in the past. He would also only cost a fraction of what Nnamdi earns..
Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!
Rodney Sac,
As posted previously, I’m ok with bringing VY but not as the guaranteed starter and not at big money. My view is that VY and JC battle it out during training camp, JC in an existing system should takes that spot. If he doesn’t, shame on him and becomes the man. However, to even mention starting Bruce over JC, hell no, been there done that. To say JC is not a bona fide starting QB, you’re simply looking at his worst games and avoiding his superlative games. I expect JC to be top 15 QB next year if OL, if running game, if Miller, if, if, if. Back to Nnambi, it’s very similar to VY, what’s his price? At 16mm is doesn’t work, maybe in an uncapped year fine, but when you’re assembling a team and significant pieces need to be assembled, it’s all about the contract.
by raiders4liffe on Jan 14, 2011 12:33 AM PST up reply actions
This argument is weak.
you can’t say that the pass defenses struggles are because of Nmandi. The Super Bowl teams you have listed are perrenially on top, because of this they can only find corners that are good to suckish. Shutdown corners do not just happen, they’re nearly as rare as a franchise QB.
Speaking of QB’s, every team you listed except the Giants, has an all world QB that carries the team.
Our problem isn’t Nmandi it’s our bust/reach SS, our lacking pass rush, and our bi-polar CB’s opposite him.
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by R3ZZ on Jan 12, 2011 8:21 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
once again, when a corner is attempted on so many ungodly amounts of times, no duh he’ll give up a play. We actually have two good starting corners in Chris Johnson and Stanford Routt, but one plays nickel where they are not good, the other is attempted on so much that eventually and obviously the other team makes a play off of them. meanwhile, Nnamdi never gets attempted on. Thus he neither prevents a big play, nor does he make any of his own. He makes the other corners have a harder time, and has not helped our pass defense in any way.
Why? Cause we still rank near the bottom in pass touchdowns allowed and average yards per completion.
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If Johnson and Routt were good,
They would make more plays when they’re thrown at. If somebody really needs to go under the bus however, I nominate Tyvon Branch, who coughed up 8 TD’s, and “Boasted” a 75% completion rate by opposing QBs, never mind tackling problems. I think we have more glaring concerns in the secondary than the cornerbacks.
by the red guy on Jan 13, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
KA1Z3R, you crack me up bro...lol And I love your posts because you pay attention to the Raiders and as a long time fan I respect and appreciate that....
Now, lol to say Nnamdi is NOT a game changer is perfect…Because Nnamdi doesn’t lose a game we’re ahead in by getting hit for a TD…Do you guys know the value of a CB that doesn’t get scored on in the NFL…Man, Al needs to really talk to Nnamdi and talk him into signing for something we can afford, if he isn’t giving up TD’s he is the man….Look, you can get a guy that has 10 picks, and gives up 8 TD’s, or a guy with 1 pick and gives up NOT 1 TD, Who do you take?, me, I take the guy NOT being scored upon. Why, he is NOT losing any games period. 10 picks is a great stat, but if you constantly get hit for TD’s you are losing games for your team…And I would love to play on the other side of Nnamdi, Why? because as a CB, you should want the opportunity to make plays, also, with Nnamdi, you can always have coverage over the top on that side because Nam holds his side down. Tyvon Branch at Safety is a problem, he is getting hit for TD’s…So, we just need to focus on finding another CB that is ready to take that heat and love it. That is the one that will make plays….And he may be at a D-2 school, we need to scout better. The Raiders are in a great place, if we resign Bush, Seymour, and a few others, Nnamdi, and get Vince Young, I am telling you, we will win the division and create havoc in the playoffs…
by Rodney Sacramento on Jan 13, 2011 9:29 PM PST reply actions
I'd take the guy who doesn't get lit up like Xmas every time
I’d love to see us get better at covering TEs, getting Howard on the field, a better corner opposite Nnamdi, and shake up the secondary. We need both safeties to be able to both tackle and stop big plays in the run and pass game.
The man to man will make it next to impossible when you have weak spots in coverage like we do. Nnamdi can’t be alone on half of the plays. The consistency is everything, too. While admittedly I was surprised by Routt in games this year, his spectacular ability to get jobbed suddenly makes him immediately expendable. I say c. Johnson too.
We’ surely see every players picks and chances skyrocket if we converted weak spots in lb coverage and in the secondary to strengths.
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""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Raiders for life, we are exactly on the same page, it all comes down to the cost for the Raiders, you may like Campbell because of the few games you feel he did well in, however, is career body of work is something different.
Even with the OL issues, this kid is NOT a non-athletic QB, it is not his potential that gives me pause, because he as all the physical attributes, it is his decision making. There are a lot of reasons the Raiders won those games and JC was NOT carrying them on his back. he is not overly turnover prone and that alone says, he is worth keeping. In my original post on this matter about Vince Young, I stated the same thing, him and JC would have to earn the right to start, and I feel personally that everytime training camp starts your job should be on the line. For those players that have game there is no worries because they are the best at their positions so they come in year after year and start. So, everyone should know they can lose their starting job if they don’t perform in camp and the preseason….I do agree with you on those issues, especially on Vince Young, he shouldn’t be given anything, however, I will tell you this, if it is a heads up battle, Campbell will lose, Young is the better talent, accuracy, he will get out the pocket and go when things break down….Man, it’s sandlot football, it’s on the grass at Elmhurst Junior High School, on 98th Avenue….lol He isn’t injury prone and with a new team and start he would thrive. I would love to see Campbell play to his potential, however, at this point he has shown me little and a 8-8 record doesn’t prove anything to me. If we can keep Nnamdi we should point blank, NO touchdowns scored upon, I’ll take that any day. However, Raiders 4 Life you are right, to be a Raider you need to earn your spot, period, I don’t care who you are.
by Rodney Sacramento on Jan 14, 2011 3:17 AM PST reply actions
No question in my mind, Vince Young is more talented than Jason Campbell. The issue, however, is "fit" in Hue's scheme
which is heavily influenced by his time in Baltimore. In this regard, Jason resembles Flacco more than Vince does and Hue seems to have bonded (or come to terms?) with Campbell.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 14, 2011 7:49 AM PST up reply actions
VY
is a starting QB. Phoenix, Buffalo, Washington (although you never know with the rat), and I would have said Seattle before the upset are in desperate need of a QB. They should pay starting money to VY. Hence, I can’t see him overlooked by those teams, particularly that Luck is not coming out, he shouldn’t be available to the Raiders at a cheap rate to fight it out with Campbell. Unlike both of you – SOB & RS, I don’t have a major problem with his decision making. He simply needs to find his go to receiver – Miller should have been the guy but he got hurt and came back a little too quick where he was making uncharacteristically numerous drops. There was a glimmer of hope with Chaz against KC and Reece & Ford were key discoveries. He’s not a top 5 QB, never said that he was, but he can be a top 15 where 10-6 is achievable. I see more upside than 8-8. Fully agreed that he won’t carry the team like Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rivers, and Vick (all 3 wanted him over the last 2 seasons; easy cost option with massive upside). However, after those 5 QBs, who carries their teams? Rodgers, maybe; Flacco, nope; Eli, no way. Point being, we can be successful with Campbell and his conservative game with minimal picks and win games. It ain’t sexy but it can work. The main issue is the amount of holes we need to plug. Seperately, I see Nnambi with the same Revis money $8mm per year. I don’t want to knock nnambi in any way as he brings it every game and he’s one of the reasons we had so many coverage sacks this year. The example that SOB is indicating is the reverse, formidable DL in the 80’s who presssured the QB in questionable throws (i.e. allowing our superlative many opportunities to make plays). Nnambi at $16 mm in an uncapped year, who cares as it doesn’t alter our team’s constraints; in a cap year, it’s a completely different story.
by raiders4liffe on Jan 14, 2011 8:50 AM PST up reply actions
We are moving towards having again that pressure 80s defense and if we bring in a couple of maniac OLB and a DC
that’s a blend between the aggressive chess master, Alekhine, and brutal cave man Alzado.
As for Jason, “He is what he is” as a former HC might put it.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 14, 2011 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
Sons I couldn't have said it any better, and Raiders4Life there is really No disagreement with you.
It is true there are other teams with needs at QB, the teams you mentioned are quite conservative in their roster, meaning wanting players not making waves… My only point in all this is forget the waves and potential disfunction, I believe we have a advantage, we are the Oakland Raiders!!! And though we have not had much success as of late, that still means something now that players can see the upside. So, R4L, and SOB, we can only hope our great Raiders make decisions that help us win, our talent pool is so close…and VY can play in Hue’s system, it’s not all that, Campbell is safe sure, it is nice to have him until we find his replacement. I would love to be proven wrong on him, however, until he shows he can go out and win week after week, I have to ride with his body of work, which shows an inconsistent QB with questionable decision making, it’s great he doesn’t cause many turnovers, however, 3 and outs is just a touch better. I want JC to be successful, he is a Raider!!! However, I would be agressive in the pursuit of VY for the right dollars, Nnamdi, man I hear you R4L, I am with you, however, i would try sign him for a longer term, he has made a lot of money with us and that may count for something as long as we are fair.
by Rodney Sacramento on Jan 15, 2011 3:27 AM PST reply actions
Rumors that the Chargers are interested
Now that would be a kick in the balls.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jan/13/asomugha-chargers-radar/
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