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Al is His Own Worst Enemy
by Al's Wingman on Jan 5, 2011 12:25 AM PST
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If his disciplinary issues were a factor (such as punching an assistant coach or beating on an ex-girlfriend) then he would have been gone a lot sooner. Where Cable must have gone awry is taking credit for success or at least a turnaround 8-8 campaign.
Anyone can nitpick and Al Davis is no exception. He may in fact be like the rest of us and think we should have won 2 or 3 or even 4 more games than we did. But Al has been through too many games to be suckered into using "almost" as an excuse to let a coach go. No, I think Al just didn’t like Cable taking any credit. That’s what drove him to get rid of Jon Gruden.
I'm not saying Tom Cable is even close to Gruden's caliber of coach but look at the pattern. Even though the players are different, Al built a very strong team when Gruden was head coach. The roster was strong enough to make it to the Super Bowl and potentially win it. We know about the tuck rule game that derailed the playoff run of 2001-2. There was no question in anyone's mind the team had the ability to get back to the playoffs the following season. But, Gruden was shipped out. That should be enouhg of a clue where Al's priorities are. They are with Al's ego exclusively. How dare Jon Gruden take any credit for winning.
Quite simply, Jon Gruden was shipped out because he was a winner. Al doesn’t like winning coaches. Only Al is allowed to take credit for the Raiders winning. So losing games may be an excuse to release a Raiders head coach but we know better. Al believes any coach can get the job done so long as they follow his script. The only problem with that is his plans have failed him in his twilight years. He makes bad head coaching decisions. Lance Kiffin anyone?
Cable wasn’t a great head coach but in the role he developed a bit of chip on his shoulder. We would all overlook that for the sake of wins and one would think Al could too. That is his fatal flaw. Al is looking for that chip on your shoulder so he can knock it off.
Even when Gruden was gone, a second rate head coach in Bill Callahan with Marc Trestman calling plays was able to actually get to the Super Bowl. So we know Al believes it is all about the players and less about the head coach. Obviously he feels the same way about the 2010 roster or at least believes they can achieve a winning record whoever he selects to lead the team.
Whoever he gives the job to next had better be very, very humble and win quick before he gets a chance to feel good about his accomplishments. Either that or just be a toady and compliment Al Davis for everything every chance you get.
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Great post.
He makes bad head coaching decisions. Lance Kiffin anyone?
Kiffin wasn’t ready to take Al’s shit, but other than that he was a good coach.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." Vince Lombardi
What makes him a good coach?
He hasn’t been anywhere long enough to do shit. He’s a weasel. Mr Davis was right about him. Just ask the folks at Tennessee.
by golfswithglock on Jan 5, 2011 4:10 AM PST up reply actions
People seem to forget Kiffin was the offensive coordinator for USC when they were the elite team in College Football.
Bring me a shrubbery!
And violated how many NCAA rules?
He was a successful college coordinator. Listen to yourself. Ugh.
by golfswithglock on Jan 5, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
Ummm... none?
Read the NCAA report; it says that that only one person at the university had done anything wrong (Bush), and surmises that one coach (RB) may have known something.
Failure builds character; success reveals it
Puhleeze
You don’t really believe that, now do you?
Granted, they remain unable to prove anything, but that team has had an unfair advantage forever, because they completely cheat. Growing up in Long Beach, graduating with folks who attended USC, and having been the friend of guys who were on the payroll for boosters, who wooed foe guys who worked for guys, who made more than most of us will ever make.
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Ugh
Worked for guys who worked for guys…
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Knew a guy that knew a guy that...
As long and hard as they dug, and with the vengeance it was done with and for, if there was anything to be found, they would have found it.
But, since you already ‘know’ more, I suggest that you contact the NCAA; I’m sure that they’d love to hear from you, and use the type of ‘evidence’ that you present…
Failure builds character; success reveals it
They have them paid off too
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
i hope someone close to al davis reads this
I REALLY DONT WANT TO WISH HARM ON ANYONE BUT HE PISSED ME THE FUCK OFF SOMEONE NEEDS TO CUT HIS FUCKING LIFE SUPPORT!
Yea everytime I start to give Al
credit for things…he goes and does something like this. I REALLY don’t agree w/ this move. Cable was not a great HC, but the players were staring to respond and play for him. I hope Al knows what he is doing….
What’s even worse is Hue Jackson could also be on his way out if he takes the vacant job in San Fran?
I sincerely doubt Hue Jackson is even a serious consideration for SF.
I think he’s being interviewed as a token Rooney rule candidate. There’s little chance of him going on to an HC job anywhere else after 1 season as an OC on an 8-8 team.
An interesting take
Where Cable must have gone awry is taking credit for success or at least a turnaround 8-8 campaign.
I also thought that Hue Jackson grossly undermined Cable in his Dec.30 press conference, saying that (paraphrased) one either wins the division or one is a loser. The whole press conference struck me as odd, but at the time the Queefs game was the only thing on my mind. Hue refused to take the blame for play calling and seemed to insinuate that there was some power struggle going on. He sounded and looked pissed as well – a bit overdone, perhaps, but nothing like the suave charmer from before.
And if he fails with the Raiders
He can always move on to bigger and better things because people are always given a pass when they work for Al.
Don't shoot, I'm a man.
Hue is ambitious and wants a seat at the Big Table. He may just get his wish
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 5, 2011 7:55 AM PST up reply actions
It's very unusual for a female to use anti-female slang
The Queefs makes me cringe. Though the Pittsburgh Squealers makes sense
I am in the process of learning the English tongue
by Spirals galore on Jan 5, 2011 8:09 PM PST up reply actions
While most Americans might cringe, not me;D
CLICK TO SEE AMAZING VID ABOUT SPRINGTIME
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
YouTube Martha Stewart fun with queefing
Can’t link right w my IPad.
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
This only makes sense if the Old Fart wants to promote Jackson which will not impact continuity too much.
However if we hear about some old retread like Denny Green coming in and Hue leaving I will think this is even stupider than the Gruden release. At least we got some draft picks out of that decision. Also Wingman, rec’d. I like you have been a fan far too long to know how much Al has done more to undermine his team’s success than anybody. Just Win Baby is the wrong mantra for this megalomaniac. Same goes for commitment to excellence, committed to a home maybe. I don’t wish Al Davis ill-will but please be like your son and show no interest in sullying my team anymore. I have spent too much money and grief for this to continue.
Trust No One
Studies show stress can kill you, but don't worry about it.
Take it easy man
Get off the ledge. When the winning season begins next year, none of this initial fallout emotion will be meaningless.
by golfswithglock on Jan 5, 2011 6:56 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not going anywhere but I still feel like posting something at the hope one of the Raiders' shareholders is reading this and decides to sell his stock and leave Al destitute if possible by now.
Trust No One
Studies show stress can kill you, but don't worry about it.
by TAW on Jan 5, 2011 7:10 AM PST up reply actions
For some strange reason...
I feel there’s a plan in place. Mr Davis NEVER makes coaching decisions this quickly. He always waits until the last possible minute. I wouldn’t be shocked to see a press conference within a week of this to announce our new coach.
by golfswithglock on Jan 5, 2011 7:35 AM PST up reply actions
That would make sense but only if Hue Jackson is staying on as offensive play-caller.
Otherwise this is very questionable. I just posted my opinion on the matter by the way, mr. glock.
Trust No One
Studies show stress can kill you, but don't worry about it.
by TAW on Jan 5, 2011 7:39 AM PST up reply actions
Sometimes I agree with you, sometimes not Glock
but you are one of the biggest Al apologists ever.
Don't shoot, I'm a man.
I don't apologize for him
I dig his style. Always have. Probably always will. But really, is Cable getting fired a huge surprise? Is it that absurd? The guy ain’t done shit all season besides buddy up to players. Jackson and Marshall have called the plays. He’s just a fat cheerleader. I hate fat cheerleaders.
by golfswithglock on Jan 5, 2011 9:03 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
You said a mouthful! Rec'd!
And this is completely indicative of Hue taking the job.
1. Young.
2. An offensive guy.
3. Cheap. New head, he’ll garner a modest contract, and be an OC and a head in one.
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Thank you
Al still has a great head on his shoulders and proved it by seeing it was time for a change.
by raiderrealist2023 on Jan 7, 2011 2:17 AM PST up reply actions
Cable was given an opportunity with a goal to reach but failed
Cable signed the contract to be the head coach and no doubt, was given two years to make the playoffs. This is evidenced by the fact that his contract expired on the January 16, 2011. Why January 16th and not January 3rd, or February 7th? Because it is no coincidence that the 16th falls on the Divisional playoffs round and that was the goal/requirement for Cable to reach, having two years to reach it, when he signed on.
In other words, you have two years to reach the playoffs, no playoffs, no job!
Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.
And that was a fair deal too. Jano makes 1 more kick, "-" d/n drop the perfect pass, we meet Baltimore
, a team we nearly beat last January (even with JaAlbatross), and get a shot at the accursed Traitors
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 7, 2011 7:26 AM PST up reply actions
Denny Green has said for years he would never work for Al Davis
I don’t even think he has ever interviewed. As desperate as he may be it seems a real long shot he would be interested in the Raiders HC job.
The premise, that Al penalizes coaches who win, is absurd
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
No, but here there is also the Sly Fox factor
by Spirals galore on Jan 5, 2011 7:47 AM PST up reply actions
Hue??
If so, I agree with you. Perhaps that’s just the conspiracy buff trapped inside of me.
Don't shoot, I'm a man.
By the way,
Campbell is going to be on ESPN 1st take in a little bit. We’ll see how he and Hue worked this all out! ;-)
Don't shoot, I'm a man.
Jason sounds very evasive on Boomer &Carton - says it all comes down to the Campbell-Davis relationship
by Spirals galore on Jan 5, 2011 8:02 AM PST up reply actions
He sounds a tad evasive
But I think you meant to say he intimates that it came down to the Cable/Davis relationship.
Don't shoot, I'm a man.
Remember when I said Cable's possibly being fired due to Cause ????
Now after all the cohesion, That APPEARED to be there, (the draft, Hiring Hue, Bringing in Campbell) All of sudden a difference of opinon, or direction of the team was reported. Campbell’s statement !!! Hue’s press interview !!! We all know, behind closed doors at Raider Central, nobody, and I mean NOBODY has any idea, WTF is going on !!!!! Take the feelings out of the equation, and look at it for what it is !! By the numbers….
Wins Vs Loss’s. Cable lose’s.
*Coaching decisions, Cables lose’s (overall)
*Player evaluation(esp. the O-line) Cable lose’s
*Play Calling (last year) Cable lose’s BIG TIME
*Team Morale, Cable wins
*Building continuity, Cable wins.
*But here’s the big one. Offensive Minded Coaching, Cable lose’s.
And this last one, is all on CABLE.
Now of all the points listed above, which one might have had an overall impact on the Ol man ?
Me myself have to look at the bottom line, which Al always pays attentiion too. He stated it at the beginning of the season, remember ? If not, let me give you a hint. At the end of each of the last decades, what do the Raiders do ???
The ONLY way Tom Cable was going to keep his job was that they made it to the playoffs, and even then it may have hinged on getting to the AFC Championship to keep Al D. happy. Other than winning, Cable may have been in a lose, lose situtation all along.
regarding the OL.
they have played a lot better for campbell for the past 5+ weeks. And he put in veldheer, which was a very good decision.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
Oh I agree Jack !!!
I was speaking far as overall, since coming to the team. The Zone blocking scheme, IMO, never clicked. When he FINALLY decided to bench Stuper Mario, for good, and start the Rook, was definitely a good move. They also went to power running plays, which was better for him, and the running game.
Putting in a rookie is not an easy decision for any coach.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
Live by ZBS ... RIP TC
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 5, 2011 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
The OL
only played better with Gallery playing. Night and day. Veldheer isn’t the same player without Gallery next to him. Gallery, when he played, was solid this year.
by raiders4liffe on Jan 6, 2011 12:34 AM PST up reply actions
Cables O-line evaluation sucks?
He wants Oher or whoever and Al goes with DHB? Cable has chickenshit handed to him and he’s at fault? Exactly who would he replace people with? Harris was replaced by Henderson who was replaced by Veldheer, each less experienced than the last. He can’t just create players out of thin air. Don’t forget all the “A” level free agent talent brought in. Javon told Al he would quit and give back the money and Al refused! If we give Al credit for a great draft, have to ding him on all the crap Cable was handed or inherited.
Don't shoot, I'm a man.
by Rusty23 on Jan 5, 2011 5:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, it does...
WHO kept Harris in for so long, when it was obvious to the peanut vendor in the stands that he couldn’t cut it? Who thought then and now that Carlisle is a NFL-caliber starting OG? Who thought Green was the answer at RT? Who has said that the line is just fine, and doesn’t need any upgrades?
Cable.
So don’t try to sell me on some idea that he can spot/see talent. He may have job offers after this, and I hope he does well, but the best he can hope for in this league, and probably in the college ranks as well, is another job with the OL.
He has shown nothing else.
Failure builds character; success reveals it
And,
What was he supposed to say? They all suck, thank you Al for handing me these fops?
Don't shoot, I'm a man.
Really? Are you serious?
Henderson wasn’t better than Harris? Even as inconsistent as he was, he was better than Harris, who was not good enough to be inconsistent; he was stuck on ‘suck’. Green was a consistent penalty-drawer, Carlisle gets manhandled on a regular basis, and nobody was available, at all? Grove was better than Satele, yet dumped.
And don’t tell me that a coach has to play nice with his players, telling them all how great they are, how they are not in any danger of having to fight for their jobs, because that is not what you can see in the news on a regular basis; it doesn’t have to be ‘they all stink’, but there are plenty of times when players are called out by their coaches in the media.
I find it funny that so many people are defending Cable, because so many of those same people (and I don’t know if you were one) were calling for his head at different times during the season. Those folks are as inconsistent as Cable, and the team, was… lol
Failure builds character; success reveals it
by signcut on Jan 5, 2011 8:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+1000
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
He did replace Harris with Henderson.
Did you look at my progresssion above? Were you in practice with the players? Do you know who looks ready and who isn’t? You have to give the players a cahnce to get better or hangethemselves which is exaclty what happens. By the way, how is Grove working out for the Phins? Gosh, that’s right, he’s out of football.
To your other point, calling out players in the media works how often? You have to address the players themselves. They liked Cable becuase he didn’t bullshit them. I don;t care what Cable ever said to the press or public. The team was moving in the right direction with the right attitude. That’s gone now so Hue or whoever takes the job had better get that team together fast to discuss how the hell they are going to go forward and buikd on what they have done this year to make sure they don’t waste their progress.
Lastly, I wasn’t calling for his head. Doesn’t mean I think that he was the greatest had coach in the world but we’ll never get a Cowher or Dungy to come here so Cable with a good OC and DC with decent position coaches was fine with me. Used to hear all the time that the players had no clue what the hell was going on with their own team. That does not breed success. Under Cable, they had a plan, bought in and moved forward. Now, do we return to the dark ages or continue the path forward? When you replace the coach who lead while the thing started forward, you run a great risk of losing that forward progress whether he was repsonsible for it or not. My thought is that he was part of a system that was working and was getting better at his job. I wouldn’t have fucked with it for another year. If Cable refused a one year contract and left, the players would have understood and so would we. Or, Cable could have been fired last year and Hue could have been HC. Many ways to handle this better.
Don't shoot, I'm a man.
Yes, I saw it, and it's not germane
Cable stuck with Harris for 12 weeks; hmmm, did it really take that long to figure out that he couldn’t play the position within the scheme? No, it really didn’t. He stayed with who he liked, apparently unable to bear making the change. Is that really commendable? It isn’t about what he wants, but what the team needs; that he wasn’t able to see that, or to see that Henderson was better than who he replaced is an indicator of Cable’s worth.
As for Grove, yep, beaten out by another player, but are you saying that Satele is that much better? More to the point, who steps in when he goes down, since the Raiders don’t even carry a backup center, but apparently are fine with using their starting LT in that role… but that’s all right, the OL is perfectly fine to Cable, remember?
Cable has called out people in the media, but it looks like that’s the only place it happens, because he stays with those who continually and consistently screw up, with no change. Ah, the mark of a good coach, I guess…
Cable was in place when things got better, yes, but he had no hand in it; the improvements came when he didn’t have anything to do with it. The offense got unfucked when it was taken away from him. The OL got better under a different coach, after it was taken away from him.
Yeah, he was the reason for all the improvement… /sarcasm
Failure builds character; success reveals it
It is germane you discussed the timing.
You weren’t in practice to know who was ready and who wasn’t. The fact is, each person that was replaced the next was a little better than the last. You’re saying that YOU know better than the coaches the timing of those events? I look forward to your reports from camp and practice next year Scoop.
As for Grove, I didn’t realize that Cable had all that power when it comes to trades. If so, he did great. Not only was Grove beaten out by another player, he was cut. He’s so valuable that no one has signed him. Satele improved this year. Hmmm. Since he had total roster control according to you, he had a pretty good draft this year.
The players said that Cable was straight with them. No BS is what they all said. They said that philosophy went for the good conversations and the butt chewings. But, who are we to listen to the guys that work with him.
Your suggestion that Cable had nothing to do with the improvements made is as ridiculous as saying he was responsible for all of them. Neither of which I have ever said.
Don't shoot, I'm a man.
"In the Fox, I Trust" (to be sly)
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 5, 2011 7:59 AM PST up reply actions
he penalizes coaches who win and take credit for it
you have to take the wins and be humble, thank Mr. Davis for assembling such a fine roster and staff or he gets upset, probably dumps in his diapers.
Wait - I was thinking about that.
Which specific statement by Cable did you interpret as taking credit for the 8-8?
by Spirals galore on Jan 5, 2011 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
Hey I'm just speculating
Al just hates people. He’s a rotten SOB but how many articles can I write about that.
Cable came off as a a little too confident in his press conferences. Every other team would be happy with that attitude but Al is never happy period.
Al is an misanthropic idiot, but of the byzantine kind
I think he despises Cable for being an oaf at the sidelines. Which Tom was, especially when he bounced up and down in goofy celebrations. Not sure about the jealousy theory; what I am more inclined to believe is that Hue staged a coup d’etat of sorts, opportunistically exploiting the situation, and that Al decided to play with it. There were certainly tensions during the pre-Queefs press conferences.
(Oh! Pardon my language!…)
by Spirals galore on Jan 5, 2011 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
Hue is not a coup d'etat type of guy
The more i think about it the more what Shane Lechler says makes perfect sense. Something pissed Al off in the Jacksonville game and maybe other close losses too. He really lives and dies with every play. A coach would have to make perfect decisions in psychic unity with Al for the arrangment to work out.
by Al's Wingman on Jan 6, 2011 12:29 AM PST up reply actions
Oh, but Hue is a coup d'etat guy!
This line that he held during the Dec.30 press conference – “you either win your division or you’re a loser” – was a slap at Cable’s line. And then, by refusing to take responsibility for the play calling, he insinuated that someone else was tampering with the players’ motivation to execute. He was hard during that press conference – maybe a tad too hard, maybe he was play-acting a little to make an impression. This was the first time I kinda disliked him – a sly fox he is! Then Cable came on after the game and said “we are not losers anymore,” which sounded like an equivocal response to Hue.
I usually wait after games until Al Davis is driven by. After the first SD game, he gave the V sign (kind of) and attempted a smile. Thereafter he totally ignored the fans after wins. I think it was not b/c he was unhappy but b/c every movement he attempts comes across as grotesque. Or maybe he was unhappy with the way we’d win…
by Spirals galore on Jan 6, 2011 6:46 AM PST up reply actions
You call Hue a "Sly Fox"
I’m starting to think of him as a “Snake in the Grass.” That would certainly explain why he quit runing up the middle on the Colts and ran to the perimeter, the Colt’s strength. I don’t want to but those reports in the media of tensions between Hue and Tom could also have been leaked by Hue’s or even Al’s minions.
Don't shoot, I'm a man.
I was just reading between the lines of their press conferences
But you are right. As for the Colts game – that’s entirely possible.
by Spirals galore on Jan 6, 2011 7:57 AM PST up reply actions
I'm reading between the lines too.
Not that I believe any of it but it fits and it happens in the business world all of the time.
Don't shoot, I'm a man.
Machiavelli at a football game....Jackson strikes!!!!! ...lol....
Al must look pretty creepy thru the window of a limo…like a dead guy underwater (which aint pretty!)
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 6, 2011 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
I loved Cable jumping up and down.
The players seemed to like it too. Not that he was Madden or Chucky but they did the same thing on the sideline.
Don't shoot, I'm a man.
But they were not as weight-challenged.
by Spirals galore on Jan 6, 2011 7:55 AM PST up reply actions
Strike that. Tom lost some over the year.
And Madden is fattish too.
by Spirals galore on Jan 6, 2011 8:00 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah,
Nobody wants to see fat guys jump up and down. I know, I’ve been warned.
lol..They used to call Madden 'Pinky' because he was so big & pink...
He was an O-liner in college.
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 6, 2011 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
A rather easy task (compared to winning an NFL game). One would expect a coach in Tom's place to lay it on for Al a bit
after all, the sports world distributes credit and Cable could just play along and keep the peace. But, he started saying “I’m the coach” and “I decide which QB starts” … well, maybe he believed he was doing the reasonable thing for the good of the Nation.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 5, 2011 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but these statements came as defense for the franchise as being normal
If Al’s Wingman had them in mind, Al’s just twirling and twisting them out of context. Not a first or last.
by Spirals galore on Jan 5, 2011 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
Ther may be a kernel of truth in there somewhere...
But I don’t think that Cable was let go because he was taking too much credit.
I imagine that Al has someone that he is looking at, either as OC or HC; Jackson may or may not move up. Pretending that we know is a waste of time; trying to theorize the ‘why’, which we don’t know what the endgame is, seems to me to be even more fatuous.
Time will tell; until then, it’s just hot air and speculation.
I’ll wait to see what happens before I make a decision…
Failure builds character; success reveals it
Even I can agree,
Trying to guess what the old man will do next is well and beyond wild speculation. In fact, you may need the chicken from the Economy episode of South Park. Cue the kazoo music.
Shane sounded 100% confident we'd lose Gallery now
I could totally see Gallery being a Cable guy, he also said Bush will leave too.
I can see Seymour mad too, he’s coming from a stable winning to in New England and after seeing our wins improvement for us to take a step back like this will piss him off . Cable gave Routt a 2nd chance too. Were going to lose guys now, good ones
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Time will tell...
It’s the NFL, a professional sport filled with professional athletes; money talks, bullshit walks.
Until it happens, it’s just talk.
Failure builds character; success reveals it
Money talks
They will go to the team offering the most $$$$, as long as it’s us, then they will stay.
"We can't stop here... This is bat country."
Screw the players.
This is a business. This is just an example of “If you don’t get results, we’ll find somebody that does”. Cable was 17-27 right? He wasn’t fired. He coached out his contract and was not kept. There can be no loyalty with losing. Whether it’s 2-14 or 8-8. We are watching less talented teams play this weekend. The fallout over this season is funny to me. Funny like a clown. Getting hit in the face with an axe.
by golfswithglock on Jan 6, 2011 5:20 AM PST up reply actions
This is like saying "Screw the workers."
And the boss being smug and dirty.
Do you work?
The RaiderLaker
more like an unwashed crew grumbling and moaning in the forecastle o'er the course plotted by their Captain
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 6, 2011 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
That happens...but mainly in the CPO mess...
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 6, 2011 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
Aye; and who but the rum-soaked or foolhardy publish their mutinous mutterings?
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 6, 2011 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
Or a dumbass Ensign...lol....
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 6, 2011 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
mutiny is when people are fed up
shane has always said his piece to jerry mcdonald but he has chosen his spots and was brief. This time he took it to a new level and it’s a long time coming.
I would kill the Cap and take over. Arr.
Especially after the dumbass doesn’t know where he is going. We’ve been out in the Sea for 7 years. This asshole needs to go overboard for the sharks to eat. The second-in-command said he could see land thata’ way. Was is the truth? Who knows. But the Cap threw his ass overboard after we were half way there.
The RaiderLaker
2nd in Command was derelict by giving the crew license to to go wild ashore - encouraging tacitly - every form of debauchery
So dissipated and wanton had they become that scarcely were they present in Pittsburgh (3-35) and still in a stupor the following week at home against Miami (17-33). The Captain was merciful to the 2nd in Commander man who took the Raiders to limbo.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 7, 2011 7:39 AM PST up reply actions
Yes I do
But I’ll be damned if I talk shit to the media about the CEO of my company. Bottom line is I know my role. I don’t pretend to know how to run a front office. A great rule I learned from the military “Don’t talk above your paygrade”. Just because i’m employed by a company at the lower level doesn’t mean I know the ins and out of upper management.
by golfswithglock on Jan 7, 2011 6:00 AM PST up reply actions
There are three ways to do things.
The Right Way, The Wrong Way, and The Army Al Davis Way
My bad.
Only “Army” was supposed to be scratched out.
I am not shocked anymore
The man traded away his best coach in ages for a 2nd round pick. I am wonder why not John Marshall, the Oline coach, the WR coach, the LB coach, and then fire himself from the GM spot. We all know Tom wasn’t the worst coach on this team by a long shot. I said this before you can’t beat teams running man to man all game long. I think we have a pretty good overall team but AL doesn’t seem to realize he is only thing keep the team back. He is the only GM that will hire a coach and the coach can’t bring in his people. Now if we make Hue the HC who is going to call the plays and even is we have a top 5 offense its still won’t stop the fact we won’t be able to beat teams like New England playing man to man. Tom Brady is going to kill us next year with John Marshall as our DC or running Al’s man to man scheme ( I’m not sold on either one). There is only one coach out there we should be trying to get right now John Fox and if Jeff Fisher is released we should just pay the man what ever he wants. I just think with these two guys Al Davis won’t have his hand in everything. Plus then we could cut lose all the fat that has been around so long like the WR’s Coach or our LB’s coach. The only time we hear about our LB is when they make a sack. He have to put a stamp on what type of defense we are going to run if we are going to run a 4-3 we need 4-3 olb’s not 3-4 olb’s. We have to put Lamar Houston inside he is not a 4-3 DE he is a 3 technique DT we need to either move Wimbley to DE, play a 3-4 or just let him go. Wimbley isn’t a 4-3 OLB. I will say this to all the people who think we need a new FS WHO are we going to get to play single high FS and be a ball hawk. Its to hard to be a ball hawk in single high coverage and come up and make open field tackles all game long. The odds are they are going to beat you at least once. The only way I can agree with letting Cable go is if we hire Fox or Fisher an allow them to run the team with a NO AL ALLOWED POLICY.
Al fired him for taking the so-called credit...
For costing us a playoff trip. God bless him for not losing sight of what a commitment to excellence means.
Never, a .500 record. Just because we’ve sucked ass for almost a decade is no reason to forget why we truly play this game.
When Seymour said this team was as good as any he’s played on, I believed him and still do. We should be in the playoffs, resting up this week and watching who our opponent would be the next.
Yeah, he’s all ego, but his want to demonstrate we’re the best rules all.
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
This might be the best talent
but I know this isn’t the best coached team Seymour has been on. I don’t know if its the coaches or AL Davis but I really don’t think if we get all the great minds in football we could win running man to man every down. There has to be some tipping point because coaches not a head coach. I am not a big Cable fan but he didn’t get a chance to bring in his own coaching staff.
Agreed. We put on corners in impossible situations
Lacking consistent pressure to accompany the coverage necessary to create turnovers, not give up tds when they can and often do get burned.
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
I didnt see many games we lost because of talent
but everyone we lose we were out coached and they had a better GM than us
I agree with this and that's why I received the morning news with confidence.
I didnt see many games we lost because of talent
but everyone we lose we were out coached
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 5, 2011 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with it also
and it all comes down to one man. The man who hires these sub-standard coaches and keeps away with his craziness all those coaches who could and would lead us to greatness. Al Fucking Davis
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
by rambis64 on Jan 6, 2011 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Micheal Y pretty much summed it up succinctly.
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 6, 2011 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
thats what I am saying
If you are going to hire sub par coaches at least have a system in place. What are we trying to do here. If its going to deep we need the oline that can pass block. if we are a run team we need a power oline. if it going to involve play action we have to have Wr’s that can run routes read zone coverage and set down in them. I have no idea what direction we are headed in but right now we are run first team that means we should have a better defense in order to win games. Sometimes I feel like we have a great defense then some days I feel like its 2007 all over again. All I know is you can’t be a one trick pony and win in the NFL for long. I really think its easier to build a offense than it is to build a defense. We prove that this year
Shane Lechler on Tom Cable's departure...
"I just looked at my wife and said, ‘I can’t go through another head coach.’ This will be six now in 12 years, and it’s not fun. […] I think this is going to be a huge setback for us, to tell you the truth.
"Tom was good at how he handled the whole ‘dealing with Al’ and all that situation. He was one of the better coaches I had at handling that part of it, and not letting that part of it bother the football team.
"I seriously have a hard time believing that we’re not going to now lose some very key free agent guys. I think now you’ll probably see people like Robert Gallery(notes) go on to another team. Probably Michael Bush(notes). Probably a handful of guys that we really, really need back here.
“I’m not so sure — and I don’t mind saying it, I’ve been here long enough — I’m not so sure this wasn’t a terrible decision.”
All of a sudden, Raider nation, my head doesn’t feel to good.
Death is coming for everyone, and that makes living fun.
by bojackson34 on Jan 5, 2011 9:37 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Fuukin Puunter
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 5, 2011 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
Be that as it may...
Would any of us really be that surprise if some of Raiderdamus rub off on, Shane?
This could very well spell the end of the beginning!
Death is coming for everyone, and that makes living fun.
I luv Shane's comments. Rec'd.
Don’t forget last year we nearly made a move for Kevin Gilbride, Al was this close.
This coaching carousel needs to stop!!!!
Al can blow me.
The RaiderLaker
Shane is pissed
and rightfully so. The team took a big step forward this season only for Al take it all back because he’s always having a hissy fit over something. The guy cannot fix the franchise. I thought things were on course for a good follow season in 2011 before this happened.
by Al's Wingman on Jan 6, 2011 12:32 AM PST up reply actions
Again,
you’re a punter. Shut the f—k up and punt. You’re the highest paid punter in the history of the game, kiss AD’s arse, than your wife, and enjoy the moment. This business is about winning not just “I’m comfortable with the coach”, “he likes me”; play and win the game. True risk with letting Cable go is Hue not returning and we’re left with some young unproven coach out of nowhere. If we pick up a decent/respectable HC, keep Hue’s system, address the run defense, we’re good to go.
by raiders4liffe on Jan 6, 2011 12:44 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
he does shut the f up and punt
he’s entitled to his opinion, having seen so many coaches and players go and been part of a bad teams for so many years.
Wingman, I respectfully disagree,
when he takes the cash, highest ever for a punter, he loses his rights to bitch in public. Whine in the locker room all you want, but don’t go outside. If AD wanted his opinion, he would give it to him. Lechler is gaining absolutely nothing by bitching. If he wants to get traded, go to the Man privately and say it. Like it or not, turning on AD is turning on your team.
by raiders4liffe on Jan 7, 2011 1:08 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Why should he be Al's bitch boy?
that’s the biggest problem wit the Raiders is the misplaced reverence for Al Davis. He’s a gasbag and a failed NFL team owner. I’ve said this dozens of times but ANYONE, including ten year old kids playing fantasy football can win a super bowl or two or 3 or more, given 40-50 yars to do it. AL stole the franchise and has whimsically done whatever he pleases. He is not a football legend. He is a puketard who hides behind the legal system.
he pays tards like JatFass and Tommy Kelly who can’t keep his pants on during a play. Shane can’t spew enough to the media as far as I am concerned.
by Al's Wingman on Jan 14, 2011 11:27 PM PST up reply actions
Not simply
about “misplaced reverence for Al Davis”. It’s about the team. Disagree with your boss all you want behind closed doors, step out, it’s keep your mouth shut and be appear united. This is simple team 101 stuff. First, he’s the highest paid punter in the history of NFL, second, what exactly has Cable achieve for any entitlement, third, being on a team doesn’t mean free speech, lastly, since when punters are part of the strategic committee? I’m surprised that you’re re-inforcing Shane’s conduct as appropriate; I could see and understand a Marcus Allen after being frozen out, having something to say. But even the great Marcus, who at times carried the team, who had the most spectacular run in a SB, who is a hall of famer; never openly bitched as much as Shane did. If you don’t want to play for the raiders, don’t take the cash and simply leave, we need players who want to be here, who can handle the dysfunction and distractions, but most of all, who want to win without making little snivelling comments on the air like a little bitch.
by raiders4liffe on Jan 16, 2011 5:29 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Shame is paid $2.480,000/year and punts 6-8 times a game and holds 2-10 times on field goals and extra-pts
which he’s been doing quite well for 11 years. I appreciated his work and was indifferent about him personally until he opened his suck and went public – bitching and moaning over Raider Org’s (Al Davis’) decision not to renew Cable’s HC contract. My feeling for him is now estranged. Shame is no Ray Guy, in ability, results or deportment … I hope we drop his ass along with any other malcontents on the team.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 15, 2011 6:11 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah.
And take the nay-saying whining jerk off douche bag percentage of the fanbase with um.
by golfswithglock on Jan 17, 2011 8:30 AM PST up reply actions
He's also entitled to the wrath of the boss
Don’t run to the media and air your dirty laundry. Keep it within the organization.
by golfswithglock on Jan 7, 2011 6:02 AM PST up reply actions
Fine,
maybe JC is actually happy with Cable leaving but he’s saying the right things (talking a lot without significant meaning) as a company man. This is where current & fa raiders can learn from JC; keep it in the locker room. In public, you must be united even when you disagree with the boss. basic team 101.
by raiders4liffe on Jan 7, 2011 6:06 AM PST up reply actions
I couldn't agree more.
Lechler and the guys going to the media look like whiners to me. Especially knowing that they are still gonna cash the next check that come from our organization. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you.
by golfswithglock on Jan 7, 2011 6:24 AM PST up reply actions
A complete breach of trust
That can be easily construed as conduct detrimental to the organization and the team.
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
That punter is the best in the NFL
and he’s a Raider who has represented us in the pro-bowl for the last how many years? He’s the most exciting part of this crap team they’ve been putting on the field in years past. Him and Jano. Everyone else has sucked. Now that we have other stars, things are starting to come together. Lechler’s the man!
AFC West Assassins... Finally, no more Chargers
Soccer anyone?
He’s the most exciting part of this crap team
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 7, 2011 7:42 AM PST up reply actions
I'm still reeling from this comment ... had a novocain to the brain effect
[Lechler’s] the most exciting part of this crap team they’ve been putting on the field in years past. Him and Jano.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 16, 2011 6:22 AM PST up reply actions
Man...
That’s the best part of any football game… The majestic grace of the punt. The immortal hang of the ball midflight… The awestriking sight of a grown man about to kick himself in the forehead.
by the red guy on Jan 18, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
That's why most people that like punters
Also are into midgets.
by golfswithglock on Jan 18, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Shane being pissed
probably just provided the way for Al to buy his way back into the first round.
Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.
Now that would be wonderful - elaborate.
by Spirals galore on Jan 6, 2011 6:49 AM PST up reply actions
Elaboration
There are teams in the lower half of the draft, New England and Pittsburgh for example, that have shitty punters and in the case of the Patriots, have 2 first round draft choices. Al traditionally does not trade down, but he will trade up, especially if it means getting back into the 1st round. For NE to give up the 31st to 32nd pick in the first round for an All-Pro/future Hall of Fame punter, I think they might do. There are not many punters worth a 1st round pick, but Lechler being a game changer, definitely is.
I know that Lechler’s comments are much, much more critical and potentially damaging (financially, due to the potential effect from their own FA’s as well as outside ones), as anything that Marcus Allen or Stabler EVER said about Al or the Raiders. Al’s recent reactions to the Gannon incident demonstrate that he is still thin-skinned and easily bruised, therefore, I believe that he will not let this Lechler thing pass without retribution.
Al is not stupid enough to simply cut Lechler, but he will trade him if he gets the right price rather than pay him and “dog house” him a la Marcus Allen.
Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.
by TheRaiderWay on Jan 6, 2011 7:03 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Lechler a game changer? Oh yes, he is! By all means, the Patriots should get him!
by Spirals galore on Jan 6, 2011 7:19 AM PST up reply actions
You don't remember what it was like witrhout Lechler and Jano?
We lost so many games because of filed position. If you weren’t around for it. you wouldn’t understnad what I’m saying. Need to keep Lechler and they should do that by sitting him down with Al NOW instead of threatening him by bringing in another punter. That’s kid stuff.
Don't shoot, I'm a man.
This other punter though has been on the practice squad before
So it may be unrelated.
by Spirals galore on Jan 6, 2011 7:58 AM PST up reply actions
What - you think Shane will cower b/c of this guy?
by Spirals galore on Jan 6, 2011 8:14 AM PST up reply actions
Not at all.
I think that Al is trying to put Shane in his place because that’s the kind of crap we can expect from a guy drifting in and out of senility.
Don't shoot, I'm a man.
The Pats also have the 33rd pick overall from Carolina
the first pick of the second round. That would be pretty good compensation for Shane.
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
In all honesty,
There is no way in Hell anyone is coughing up a 1st round pick for a punter. Not even Lechler. You couldn’t get a 1st round pick for Ray Guy (the 1976 edition).
Janikowski too...
But that doesn’t mean that anyone else would.
Failure builds character; success reveals it
And
Lechler is not just a “punter”. He changes games and effects the field position each and every game. His long hang-time on his punts has allowed the raiders coverage unit to cause the opponent often times to muff the punt or fumble it. When he is backed up in his own end zone, he will punt the ball to the opponents 30 yard line. No one else can do that.
Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.
I concur, and will again say Lechler is the best punter in the NFL.
Although the Raiders drafted Guy in the first round, it was a surprise to many. Again, nobody is going to cough up a 1st rounder for a punter. Not even Lechler. I think AD would be retarded to get rid of him, don’t get me wrong.
You are dreaming if you think New England will give Al a 1st rounder
It’ll never happen. Here’s how it works. The Patriots flecce Al. Not the other way around. Even if somehome Lechler was traded, no one would give a first rounder for him, least of all a smart organization like NE.
Lechler can do and what he wants under contract. If Al wants to get upset then he can play his stupid head games like having benched or whatever. Just another stupid reaction to his ego being bruised.
by Al's Wingman on Jan 11, 2011 12:01 AM PST up reply actions
plus NE drafted a rookie punter in the 5th round
who has been absolutely great for them. Zoltan Mesko. His nick name is Zoltan, Emperor of Space. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
You can't trade a punter as far as my knowledge.
It would be unprecedented yes if possible though. Last year I mentioned something drastic has to happen to change the direction of this franchise and it happens to be this year 2011. I never said we were going anywhere in 2010 which was right since we’re watching the playoffs and bragging about 6-0 in the AFC West. I think Al Davis not wanting to pay Cable past this year is going to have the trickle down effect that this organization has needed for the past 25 years. I wouldn’t be surprised if a mutiny of sorts from the players may force Al Davis into a hermit like state and out of the front office. Hopefully this wasn’t just a beautiful dream I was having.
Trust No One
Studies show stress can kill you, but don't worry about it.
I had the same dream
Only I don’t know what will ever happen with this team, why I comment here about it or why I love it so.
I do know that at some point, we’ll all end up rallying around the new coach and whatever players do play here and hope for the best.
Don't shoot, I'm a man.
Didn't football season just end?
As an owner, Al is letting everyone know that we are serious about winning. Speak for yourself Tom, but the Raiders were never losers… Anyone whoever thought that can GTFO. And Al has time… the man’s got a plan A,B,C, and D. I could see it…. hey Al, Bruce is looking pretty good, I would stake my job on it. You win some, you lose some.
AFC West Assassins... Finally, no more Chargers
If keeping TC is the best decision, he will be back.
AFC West Assassins... Finally, no more Chargers
The Raiders were never losers? Dude, they were historically bad for seven seasons.
Not sure how much more not-winning they would need to do to be labeled as losers. I never thought Cable was an elite coach, but as Raider fans, all we asked after seven seasons of suck was a little forward movement, and a reason to have hope. Cable- yes, with help from the guys on the field- provided that.
That the players had such complimentary things to say about him shows how far he had gotten in winning over the locker room, and how little regard- it seems- that Davis has for them.
I'm here to talk about the past.
7 years doesn't write history
Especially in the mind of an old man that has ruled the NFL world. Call my team losers…. I dare you.
AFC West Assassins... Finally, no more Chargers
As another poster said so well on another thread....
…to me, 8-8 was like winning the Super Bowl. It was progress, and the team ended the season on a high note, and with momentum into next season.
yep.
going 8-8, and 6-0 in the division(i mean c’mon! who would’ve thought that!), is huge for this team in terms of going in the right direction.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
But for stupid Al. "If that's the world you live in" LMAO.
That’s a stepping stone to the world we will live in, (success) dumbass.
The RaiderLaker
Highest payroll in the league if I'm not mistaken.
With attendence in the shitter and the team not making the playoffs, how would you react if it was your money?
by golfswithglock on Jan 7, 2011 6:04 AM PST up reply actions
Gee, I'd have to look back about 7 years.
Try and find the common denominator since 2003. Gosh, I can’t seem to place who was running the whole circus all those seasons. Oh, wait, I know who was running it. This is awkward.
My point here being,
If next season Oakland makes the playoffs, then The Old Man is back in business, we were all insane to doubt him, and the devil may well have a shiny new soul in his posession. If the team hits the wall, than this will all have been for nothing, and maybe it’s time to take away AD’s car keys.
What if Harbaugh doesn't go to SF?
I was reading a lot of comments from the fans and the majority would be happy to have Hue with the offensive turnaround he pulled out of Oakland. If Hue goes elsewhere because of money, better draft situation to build with, not having to deal with Al, etc… then what would be the next step for Oakland? I don’t think we can afford to lose Hue Jackson now since no one in their right mind that can instill a winning attitude as well as the continuity in place would want anything to do with Oakland.
Trust No One
Studies show stress can kill you, but don't worry about it.
by TAW on Jan 7, 2011 8:50 AM PST up reply actions
DAVIS FUCKED UP
he lost his coach which will lead him to lose the players that followed him. first up on the list of free agents, NNAMDI ASOMOUGHA!!!!!
CONGRATS AL, YOUR GOING TO LOSE A COACH, THE BEST PUNTER IN THE LEAGUE, AND THE BEST CORNERBACK IN THE LEAGUE!!! GOOD FUCKIN JOB
Boo fucking Hoo. Cable is a mediocre, at best, coach. Shane is overpaid and should shut his mouth and kick the ball higher
so that he doesn’t out-kick his coverage and Shane should sacrifice his stats and coffin-corner the punt if he’s nearly as good as you seem to think. As for Nnamdi, he may still stay with us but not at the $15 million/year. We are 2nd in the league against the pass but only 29th (again) against the Rush. So the emphasis needs to be on FS, OLB and DC.
Thanks you.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 9, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
True
Being free doesn’t mean that Nnamdi will go elsewhere. He would have been better off not having the contract void and having the Raiders exercise the option and having to pay him at least $16.8 million for 2011, then enter 2011 season as a"contract year". Now, poorer stats, by “Nnamdi standards”, entering the market as a free agent, Nnamdi will not get $16.8 million from any other team out there , except the Raiders. The new CBA will dictate much of what will be to come anyways.
Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.
by TheRaiderWay on Jan 9, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
AD
still had a little “som’em, som’em” left after all when he signed Nnamdi’s contract. Basically miss 1 game or “elevate” your stats when no one is throwing your way, or we can void you. This is a “bidness” afterall that deals in contracts. It’s not just the players’ play, it’s how much is he getting paid and how long do we own his rights. Patriots moved Seymour because he had 1 year left and didn’t want to pay what the market would pay regardless of if he “deserved” the contract or not. So they moved him. On the flip side, we’re “stuck” with DHB because of his contract, who’s going to take him at those rates? With the CBA up in the air, it’s hard for FA players to move; hence, I’ll give the benefit of doubt to the brass. They need a flexible budget, i.e., minimal long term contract commitments to assemble next year’s team. For example, they may change the rules and Huff may lose his FA designation. Nnambi’s market could dwindle based on other teams’ contract obligation. Bidness is bidness.
by raiders4liffe on Jan 10, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
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