Do you think Al might go after Vince Young?
by soulrise on Jan 6, 2011 10:54 AM PST
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PrintTim Kawakami posted some interesting thoughts via his Twitter last night (I've combined all 5 tweets into the quote below):
Slow on this one, but Al Davis dearly wanted Vince Young to fall to the Raiders in 2006 draft & was not happy when VY went 2 picks ahead.
That's the year Raiders had #7 and took S Michael Huff, bypassing QBs Matt Leinart (#10 Ariz) and Jay Cutler (#11 Denver).
When Al fired Art Shell after that season, he blamed Shell for not taking Leinart. I'm not sure Art was even in the draft room, but oh well.
Shell, of course, had to explain the Huff pick that day. We asked him about Leinart & Shell said sure, they considered "Mike" Leinart.
VYoung went #3, so that means he went FOUR picks ahead of Raiders' #7. That's why I'm so good at math, if you give me a few tries at it.
Do you guys think Al might still be interested in Young? And would you want him to join the Raiders or are you more confident in Campbell?
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No.
Campbell is our guy. VY is a waste of space.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
With the way Campbell improved later in the season theres no way Campbell is going away anytime soon.
Al wants to see what Campbell can do under the same system in his second year, but that of course will only happen if Hugh becomes the HC becuase if another HC comes in expect a new system (playbook to be installed).
Anyone can be a fan of a winning team, supporting your team when its down is what makes you a true honest fan.
by 818Raiderguy on Jan 6, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
We need consistency, not another qb carousel
Campbell appears to be finding his mark and I think that our undeveloped receivers finally have someone to develop with. The receivers have been beaten enough with all of the qb changes they had to experience. I think that Grad and Frye can be sufficient backups to JC, and Boller can be dropped. We need to focus on giving JC improved protection through the draft by fixing our o-line – that I believe is the priority.
Gradz and Frye
are nothing like Campbell. I think it would make sense to find a backup similar to the one we have. Don’t you?
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Yes, by all means...
Having two of the same qbs will make it easy for everyone. The receivers would probably make only minor adjustments in learning the style of the second qb. Since the rest of the team is jelling, that would eliminate much more unnecessary confusion, and they can get to where they need to be that much faster.
Bush and DMC get good results in different ways. So would VY and JC get good results for us in quite different ways
In fact, VY’s talents used with our running game would make us, easily, the most awesome backfield in the league.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 6, 2011 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
I agree SOB
a QB with good mobility that can use his legs as a weapon would make us SO much harder to defend.
NO MERCY!
by RAIDERSNOMERCY on Jan 9, 2011 8:15 AM PST up reply actions
Daunte Culpepper, Aaron Brooks...
Mobility is an excuse for not being able to find the open guys.
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Now this is rather cynical. Mobility is value added that buys time for receivers to get open, further downfield
and augments a less than perfect OL.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 12, 2011 9:52 PM PST up reply actions
No on VY
VY is like the Tin Man in the Wizard of Oz. He has no heart. I agree with the 1st post, Jason Campbell is our man at this point. Keep improving the O-Line and let our offensive weapons mature to help him get more comfortable with this offense.
I still would like to see us grab a younger QB in the middle rounds to see if we can develop a future starting QB. Boller and Frye should be gone.
+1
I agree with you 100%. We need to draft a young QB to develop behind Jason Campbell. I seriously doubt Gradkowski will be back next year. We will likely keep Frye as a veteran and will pick up another QB for our primary back-up. Boller is a possibility.
I am not sure we need too much on the OL, just depends on what Gallery does.
We could use a veteran WR to mentor our young WR core. I would love to see Ocho Cinco.
Light up the Freakin Halo!
Upon further review..
Reviewing our back up QB situation, with Frye and Boller as good as gone. Quite possibly Gradkowski not given another shot in Oakland, VY might be signed for a reasonable price to challenge Campbell. (Known to be a little fragile.) Talent is there, just once again questioning his heart…With VY talent, you have to take a gamble. Look at the Eagles gamble on M. Vick.
I have this argument on a yearly basis
Vince Young is the closest thing to Mike Vick. Which may be miles apart, but he is pretty exciting to watch. And slightly resembles the Raiders style of offense.
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He resembles last years offense.
A basketcase. Despite the fact that he’s exciting to watch, you need someone a little saner at QB.
I guess I'm partial to those 70's videos
where the whole team was misfits and we won it all. Not just won it, but kicked their asses. I’m not saying that he fits that mold, just that he resembles Campbell. If the biggest setback is that he is a freak, then that is not a bad thing.
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I've no problem with misfits, make no mistake,
My problem lies in that he’s not popping on all cylinders all the time. Freakishness is great, but we need functional freaky, not “Hey, where’s he going with that pistol and hastily scrawled note” freaky. The strip club brawl is classic Raider shenanigans. Pad throwing and alleged suicide attempts not so much.
I'd bring him in
For all his faults, the guy is talented and wins games. If we’re talking about raising the level of talent on this team to be a contender, then it potentially could be at the quarterback spot. Vince Young has enough ability and has shown he can be a top 10 quarterback, I don’t think that Campbell has that in him. He surely comes with a risk, but so did Vick…sometimes guys just need to be able to showcase their ability.
We don't take kindly to folks that don't take kindly around here.
Wingo and Schlereth on The Herd this morning
Trey Wingo and Mark Schlereth were on The Herd this morning and seemed fairly confident that Vince Young would not immediately get another starting job next year, even with several teams needing QBs.
We all know Mr. Davis is enamored an impressive athletes and a former 1st round picks, so the idea cannot be dismissed entirely. That said, there’s no way the Raiders trade for him due to his contract, but they could surely see him as a backup/successor to Campbell that would be an upgrade over Gradkowski/Boller/Frye.
Single digit chances here, but a chance nevertheless.
"When we play tough, and we play physical, and when we play the way we're supposed to play, can't nobody beat us." - Richard "SeaMonster" Seymour
NO.!
VY is poison. were already gonna have problems in the locker room with another coaching change you think things will get better with ANOTHER QB change.? i mean really. we dont need another ego maniac as QB.
No thank you.
He can’t even through.
No to mention VY will be a drama queen, and would want the starting QB position. :/
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
*throw
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
Ugh
A quitter, crybaby, and entitled locker room cancer who can’t throw his way out of a paper bag
not a chance
the vick comparison is just not happening – vick has a gun for an arm and could be a topflight rb if he did not have said arm – VY is a good runner FOR A QB
I like VY in this system we have now
Doesn’t have to start, but his style of play is similar to Campbell’s.
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Perfect fit... Misfit
Gradz is like black to white in terms of comparison to Campbell as far as style of play goes. Vince Young would much better suit our offense as a backup. You never know what your gonna get off the bench when the QB’s are so different. It seems like we should be looking for QB’s to compliment this new style of offense.
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Anything's possible...
I’d rather not; his talent is nice, but Young hasn’t shown me that he is more than a headcase when the going gets tough. Another Russell, in that it doesn’t look like he will ever play to the level of his talent…
Failure builds character; success reveals it
Now that Bud Adams has made his choice
and it wasn’t VY. He might be knocked down a little which is just what he needed. Kind of like the way Vick was knocked down and came back and realized that he had been getting by on talent alone, and if he actually put some effort into being an NFL QB he could be one of the top guys. Vince needs to make this same realization, if he does and becomes an actual man and takes responsibility for his actions, he has the talent to be great. That said, no one is going to trade for him if they know he’s going to be released any way. So after he’s released Al will probably bring him in for an interview and if VY says the right things who knows. I doubt it would help Campbell confidence though, if he didn’t like Grad behind him, hesl really not like VY breathing down his neck.
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
How about we just a get a fucking quarterback who doesnt need a diaper change or his head rubbed
to motivate him to play. Young is a fuckstory, period. His actions in the locker room in Tenn place him south of Randy Moss, the Duke of Shitheels.
And while I’m pissed off at them for taking Huff at #7 instead of Leinart or Cutler, fuck Art Shell and his bed & breakfast OC!!!
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 6, 2011 1:18 PM PST reply actions
Have to agree on that one
about Vince Young being total retard (once again sorry to all you retards out there I may have insulted). Can’t really hate Art Shell we all know he didn’t even get a coffee for Al during that draft he was at Applebees eating the buffet. Can’t say Leinhart or Cutler are anyone I would have wanted but that is another debate all together.
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 6, 2011 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
Another what-if fuckstory...we wouldnt have drafted JaBunghole had we picked up one of those guys...
I heard that same story about Shell pushing Leinart out of the sights and focusing on Huff. Maybe, baby….it’s all a person can say now…like you say, totally different debate.
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 6, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
I heard the same story ....
I also heard the same story about that draft and how Shell was stuck on Huff and Al wanted Leinart ! I think Campbell did a pretty good job this year I dont know if hes the guy to lead The Raiders to the super bowl and its hard to say if Al will go after another QB and also I find it intersting that the two QB’s that Al wanted Matt Leinart and Vince Young will out there if Al wants to sign either of them .
GL with that
All QB’s need a diaper change and a head rub….
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In this decade for sure...
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 6, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
No Way!
But guess who was the OC for ATL before Vick went to jail? You guessed it Hue Jackson. With that said we could be in a world of hurt when it comes to VY cuz AL & Hue might be rubbing there hands together. I personally do not want this headcase on our team because once he has a bad game and the Raider Nation lights in to his butt he might drive off the Bay Bridge. JUST SAY NO!
He's got a point
VY may not have what it takes to handle the fans. Of course the backup is always the fans best friend except Boller that guy was a “oh no” every time he came on the field. It would be if VY won the starting job and everybody was calling for JC, then he might go nuts. If we could get him cheap though, I’d be for it.
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
No thanks and that was before we found out what a diva he was this year.
Campbell as starter and draft a decent QB to back him up since I highly doubt Grad is coming back.
Trust No One
Studies show stress can kill you, but don't worry about it.
Bring in Vince Young and let Grad, Charlie and Kyle compete with him to see who Jason's back-up will be
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
Problem being
he will get more than a tryout offer from us which maybe better than what we give him.
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 6, 2011 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
Look for vince to take his talents to charlotte
Now that the panthers got nutkicked by luck
by lchristmas on Jan 6, 2011 5:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Campbells the Starter !!!!
Vince has to earn his competency stripes, before being given the reigns. So as the #2 QB, I say gor for it. Pick up a QB in the draft, that can sit & learn, 4th round maybe, and cut the rest. Gradz, Frye & Boller would be a waste of time !!!
No
But, Tyrod Taylor might be worth looking into later in the draft.
Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death
maybe convert him to WR, a la 7th round QB Julian Edelman?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QTvNeEsJ1w
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
Sounds like a good idea and
at 6’1"and 217lbs I’d rather draft him and rid ourselves of JLH and Nick miller.
With the other open WR slot after the release of those tw, I would sign a stud free agent possession wide out the likes of (and I know I’m beating this into the ground but…) Larry Fitzgerald, Vincent Jackson or Plaxico Burress. That and adding O-linemen through FA and the draft along with re-signing Gallery and Mike Bush should set up our offense for quite some time.
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
For sure
IMO Miller and JLH are done in Oakland. We can pick up some picks or FAs that will easily fill their nonexistent roles.
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 8, 2011 8:50 AM PST up reply actions
i would add lance moore to that list too
by RyanTheRaider on Jan 8, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
That would be nice.
Similar to murphy, only more reliable.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
Just saw that Sidney Rice is going to be a free agent this year too
I’m trying to stick with guys 6’4’ or taller, that’s why Moore wasn’t on the list
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
I would rather see him come as a backup QB
Very similar as a QB to Campbell, so not much adjustment for the backs and recievers, and he would bring a very nice “wildcat” dimension to the offense. Imagine Tyrod, McFadden, Reese, and Ford all on the field at the same time.
Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death
You see him being happy as a backup?
Better left alone if you’re mindful of a potential controversy.
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Oops. Forgive my inability to read.
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
I can't see VY fitting what Al likes in a QB
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by golfswithglock on Jan 7, 2011 7:09 AM PST up reply actions
I've mulled this over all season.
Phenominal talent + headcase = RRRAIDERS Legend Recipe
If we can get him for a reasonable price, I say let’s do it.
Based on talent & upside,
make the move all day. There’s no question that he still has game and he’s young enough to bring upside. Now the reality, IF you bring him cheap, it’s a no brainer and let him fight it out with JC. I think JC with comfort in the system actually comes out on top. IF it’s starter money, will he be worth the predictable meltdown? Will he divide the locker room if he’s not starting? To me the bid-ask is $2mm and $3mm. Under $2mm, bring him in all day; above $3mm, not worth it as JC will take the challenge.
Please do not believe everything you hear about VY.
Jeff Fisher has throw VY and others under the bus he has history of that.
Last season Fish went 0-6 till owner made him play VY.
Than we went 8-2 and saved the 2009 season .
Jeff has undermine VY since he was drafted the owner wanted VY not Fisher.
Please read the two article about this.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/jeff-fisher-vince-young-tennessee-titans-cruel-game-
112910
http://www.musiccitymiracles.com/2010/12/6/1858456/someone-help-me-on-this-vince-young-thing-how-is-it-his-fault
There are other acticle.
VY is the real deal with a coach that wants him .
let's be real
about the real deal. I’m for bringing VY as long as he not guaranteed the job and he’s cheap. No problem with that. What’s been real is his pouting and mental meltdowns when things go wrong. Let’s accept his difficiencies and see how it goes. Again, at the right price, he a slam dunk but can he deal with sitting on the bench if he doesn’t win the job? having VY and JC, in my mind, would make a serious QB situation. Not quite Young/Montana or even Vick/Kolb but damn.
by raiders4liffe on Jan 7, 2011 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
I gotta believe that somebody out there
is gonna give VY big money and a starting job. There are plenty of teams that could use VY’s services and need a starting QB. Carolina comes to mind, especially with Luck staying at the Farm.
I agree with you about getting him for a good price as back up if he’s available. I just doubt he will be.
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
predictably right,
Buffalo, even Washington, Phoenix, Seattle could easily make him a starter, no questions ask. So the question remains – do you dump JC, sign VY long term, and make him your franchise QB? Personally, as tempting, I’ll stick with JC who displayed some incredible upside. We just need to create an acceptable floor of performance and not some of the bottoms that he showed.
by raiders4liffe on Jan 7, 2011 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed again,
we need to make JC feel as comfortable as possible in our system and get him the tools he needs to make this offense consistently great. ie… O-line and a stud possession receiver, also re-signing Gallery and Bush would go along way towards his comfort level.
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
I believe someone put the number $2 mil a year out there
that seems reasonable.
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
cheap is under $2mm.
above $3mm, we’re getting into real money for a potential back up QB. Again, if he beats out JC in pre-season, that it his gig. Laws of the jungle until we reach the SB.
by raiders4liffe on Jan 7, 2011 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
Thank you A.L.! You've confirmed my belief that VY is not the problem and Fisher is not the great coach the media would spin him to be
Aside from failing to build a championship team over the course of his 17 years, I started suspecting Fisher (acutely) when he cut Blount – who I always recognized as a 1st round talent – Fisher blew it with Bount, blew it with Vince Young, and might still blow it with Kenny Britt. Fisher is too conservative and overrated; I’m glad he’s staying in the south … there’s only room for one Ray Ban dude in town and I hope Al Davis brings in Vince Young.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 7, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
We do find talent where others can't, but VY needs to mature
I say no, emphatically
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
and I, strenuously, insist
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 7, 2011 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
And create a controversy?
Stick with PTSD, and develop a young up and comer, instead. How about keeping spots available for blockers for said qb?
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
I have to concur
VY needs some Prozac or Lithium or therapy on the coach or a combination of those. Too much baggage. Ditch Boller assess Frye and how fucked his body really is and I am sad to say Grad looks pretty well done. So draft a guy later like 4th or so if somethings good and is still available or sign a solid FA that can be somewhat reliable. Load the O line with picks and or FAs.
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 8, 2011 6:48 AM PST up reply actions
Jason's new nickname??
See what you did, RaiderPsycho!
by Spirals galore on Jan 8, 2011 7:40 AM PST up reply actions
It has a ring to it, does it not?
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Imagine Lithiumstick brought in for PTSD as Bush is brought in for DMC. And, no worries; Hue can handle VY's head
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 8, 2011 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
LOL!
Is that VY’s new nickname?
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 8, 2011 8:47 AM PST up reply actions
maybe; when "Shrink" officially becomes HC
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 8, 2011 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
Looks like there are two new nicknames floating around now
and both are AWESOME, Kudos! ..with a possible third for Hue, although I’m still partial to “Wolverine” for Hue myself
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that and his rookie season... that's it.
VY can’t throw. lol and he has kenny britt who is a very good WR, and has a great RB to play action with, as well as dump it off to get quick yards.
The guy has a great arm, and he can run pretty well, but he is NOT smart in his throws, and not very accurate.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
VY will sign with a team as a free agent.
He has the same agent Peyton has.
There a lot team looking for a QB.
VY is 30-17
And was rated 5th in the league as a QB.
before his injury,
he took 0-6 team which the owner had to make the coach play VY
and he went 8-2 .
The problem was not VY but jeff Fisher.
Doubt it!
Al doesnt get all public about players and then switch it up, plus i think he learned his lesson with little bitches that whine n do dumb shit like moss…dont see it…he didnt take vick so dont expect this one either
I even cum Black & Silver...
by Tramp "Raider Roxxxtar" on Jan 7, 2011 10:03 AM PST reply actions
It's not that Al didn't want Vick, the Raiders expressed interest in signing Vick
but Vick’s confidant Tony Dungy steered him away from us. Don’t be too surprised if Al signs VY and lets them fight it out for the starting QB role.
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
Someone please tell me...
Who was the last player with issues or baggage (and let’s be honest, just because some new guy gives us 2 links about VY, one of which works and the one that does has the opinion of a fan, not a football expert) who actually worked out coming to the Raiders?
We don’t need guys with problems or who have been problems. We need guys who have great football instincts and skills as well as an overwhelming desire to win.
Don't shoot, I'm a man.
I thought of Alzado, but I couldn't remember his baggage
Just that he always should have been a Raider. I definitely got your point, I guess you either believe Fisher or A.L. here. I too believed the VY is nuts line, but if it is BS then Al should at least interview him and ask him point blank about it. Of course Al may not care either way if he is really in love with VY’s talent..
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
And
I’m not sure if the the Raiders or the steroids turned him around. Loved him as a player though.
I really don’t have a problem kicking the tires on VY, although I don’t think we need him. What kills me is every time some player with “issues” might be available via FA or a trade, there will be a bunch of guys on this blog who think we can take them in and they’ll be great just because they’ll be Raiders.
Don't shoot, I'm a man.
Lol
Such is being a Raider
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Lyle
had no real baggage such as recreational drug and/or alcohol issues. He did however have some serious anger issues. To quote the great Howie Long “we use to have a name for Lyle……… it was 3 mile Lyle as in the nuclear melt down on mile island”.
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 8, 2011 6:50 AM PST up reply actions
That could be the steroids too
and also what made Lyle a classic Raider. I still think back fondly to him ripping the helmet off that O-lineman and throwing it at him. Hell they even made a rule up over it that I still refer to as the Alzado rule. Those of us with anger issues could always relate to Lyle.
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
It was more personality IMHO
As I said before. Anyone that thinks that most NFL are clean are little naive …………. sorry. You could point to quite a few guys like that Alzado just got the spot light with a mouth and a few AHEM moments on the field.
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 8, 2011 8:13 AM PST up reply actions
I'm certainly not saying
that Lyle didn’t have anger issues, but the roids of that era probably made it all the worse. Also more guys were probably clean then than now because steroids were so new at the time.
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
I will agree to disagree
on that to a point……… it’s semantics one way or the other. Don’t take it like I am ragging on you on anything. In the end no big deal. I still as you could assume love the guy and think he is and should always be thought of as a Raider and not a Bronco that is for sure. He had an impact on the team playing and in the locker room.
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 8, 2011 8:49 AM PST up reply actions
He was a Donko???
HAHaHa just kidding of course, those who think of Lyle Alzado as a Bronco, should be beaten severely about the face and head. He was one of my favorites too.
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
He literally thought there wasn't a man alive whose ass he couldn't kick
I’ll take a guy like that, from even our rivals, any day of the week. We’re missing some of that these days.
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
... until he met Muhammed Ali
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 8, 2011 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
Still didn't go down
in 3 rounds of boxing with a multiple time heavy weight champion AND that is without real formal boxing training. So in a real fight (no rules) I will take Lyle. Not that I may be ………… biased :D
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 9, 2011 8:24 AM PST up reply actions
Matuzak, according to Howie Long, was not a good player (football player)
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 7, 2011 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
Probably was Ted Hendricks commented about Tooz, one of our HOFer's at any rate
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 7, 2011 8:03 PM PST up reply actions
Just getting the other side of the story out.
You are responding to information put out by Fisher. If you read Jason article it gave you background on why Fisher threw VY under the bus when VY saved his job 2009 season.
by Alway Learning on Jan 7, 2011 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
it's not just baggage,
it’s the other team (s) giving up on a player that we accept and leverage.
todd christiansen
Lincoln Kennedy
tyrone wheatly
rich gannon
That’s what missing lately, picking up experienced talent with a chip who are desperate to prove their worth. First we need to re-create our identity, then find the players who will fit.
by raiders4liffe on Jan 8, 2011 5:56 AM PST up reply actions
Well
I would give you credit for 3 of those 4. As for Wheatly …………. he hardly was that good. One season with 1000 yards was ok. He was by no means spectacular.
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 8, 2011 6:52 AM PST up reply actions
sorry 4 out 4. Wheatly didn't cost a thing, free FA pick up and led the team. Good player, not great.
“Despite his success on the field, he developed a reputation as a tardy dawdler. He was traded to the Miami Dolphins, but cut before the 1998 season began. He signed with the Oakland Raiders and flourished, leading the team in rushing three times and twice finishing among the NFL’s top ten players in rushing touchdowns. With Wheatley, the Raiders went to the playoffs three years in a row, including one Super Bowl appearance”.
by raiders4liffe on Jan 8, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
More
about Charlie Garner than Wheatly that Super Bowl year.
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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 9, 2011 8:25 AM PST up reply actions
agreed,
but the point here was we used to pick up discarted high drafts picks, 2-3 years of experience for little because they had “baggage” issues. The turning point in my mind was going after “sure thing” and paying over the top – Sapp, D Hall, Javon Walker, Moss, even Kelly was way overvalued. It’s almost like our scouts got lazy and stopped turning over stones.
by raiders4liffe on Jan 9, 2011 8:45 AM PST up reply actions
Did you mean our "scout"
as in Al. I think you have to get out of bed before 3 in order to get some time in to evaluate talent.
I get your point about the FA thing. Just thought Wheatly was a bit of a stretch. Wasn’t a big fan.
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Jan 9, 2011 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
the irony
is that backfield of Wheatly/Gardner was B to B+, solid, effective but not spectacular. Last year’s DMac, Bush, and Reece was A- (injuries taking A to A+ out of equation). Go with your strength, we have a backfield, run the damn ball. Watching how the Jets beat the Colts should have been our script when we played them, run the ball and keep Manning on the sideline, timely downfield strike, and great special team play. I’m still puzzled by that game plan.
by raiders4liffe on Jan 9, 2011 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
Me too. I had us owning the Colts, Peyton and all
That was the convincing game for me against Cable. He couldn’t get the job done in games we have such favorable match ups. And I don’t blame Hue because the coaching scared part trickled down.
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Again, if VY says the right things
and would sign for 2-3million a year for a year or two, I say we take a chance on him. Not sure the effect on Campbell though, he doesn’t seem the type to take that signing as a challenge. He might shrivel up and die. In which case we’d be stuck with VY for better or worse.
Chances are someone is gonna offer him more than I would think is reasonable anyway.
On second thought that could be Al.
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
oh god. lol thats going to be funny.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
agreed
"BEING (.500) AVERAGE IS OK, I GUESS. IF THAT'S THE WORLD YOU LIVE IN" - COACH AL DAVIS
by The MoonMan 804 on Jan 12, 2011 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
Those guys were at worst reclamation projects.
Todd had kind of an arrogance about him which made him seem pretty weird but nothing to the extent when compared to VY, Haynesworth etc.
Also, in those days, guys had to show up and play hard to get paid enough to get a few years of bank. Guys with skills but questionable work ethic or attitude these days can make a big chunk playing half assed or simply be poison the their team and have enough to retire on, if they’re smart wit their paycheck.
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