I wish we still had Gradkowski
by resident troll on Oct 15, 2011 11:43 AM PDT
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PrintEverybody that has seen the first five games of our beloved Raiders' season knows that this year's incarnation of the team has two fatal flaws: linebackers and quarterback. While a subpar linebacker corps is a problem that can be schemed around, especially with our D-line, the awful play of Jason Campbell cannot. If we still had Bruce Gradkowski as our starter, there is no way we wouldn't be undefeated right now.
From intangibles to tangibles, Gradkowski is superior to Campbell in every category except maybe height and ability to throw inaccurate deep balls. Gradkowski's QB rating this season is a very solid 96.5, as compared to Campbell's decidedly mediocre rating of 84.3. Interceptions? None for Gradkowski. And we all know what Campbell has done already in that department. Just with that alone, if we are starting Gradkowski we beat the Patriots. And there would have been no effect on the games we won already. And in the Buffalo game, the real reason we lost was because of poor offensive execution in the second half. Yes, the defense obviously fell apart, but if we had Gradkowski we would have been able to play better ball-control offense, not leaving the Bills enough time to score the 5 touchdowns it took them to beat us.
So there you have it. If we still had Bruce Gradkowski as our starter we would be 5-0. Here's hoping Campbell can find a way to turn it around before it's too late. Keep the faith and go Raiders!
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lets take 12 pas attempts and extrapolate them over a whole season
campbell’s the better QB, that’s why he was starting over him to begin with… and he’s also had some pretty damn good games… the aforementioned bills game being one of them…
and let’s be honest… we aren’t in a position to compete with the Patriots atm… we have a strong team with a lackluster secondary… you can’t beat the best QB in the league (without a neck injury) with a lackluster secondary… also, some of the interceptions were tipped balls off the receivers’ hands…
so no… I’m not sad we don’t have Gradkowski… sucked to see him go, but he wouldn’t have had a snap yet if he had stayed…
Bo knows the Chiefs can suck it...
+1
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by Ra1derRob67 on Oct 15, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
If Gradkowski was our QB
he would be completing 41% of his passes.I can use stats from a guy who has thrown the ball 12 times this season too.Grad throws costly INTs and is injury prone.Hes kinda like tebow, he fires the team up, but he just not that good.
RIP Al Davis
tebow isnt injury prone either...
so even if grad was still here, campbell would still be starting and playing anyways….grad looked great because of who he originally replaced….(the duece) so anything after him looks great, anything more then lethargic the team feed off. Do I wish campbell scrambled a lil more, yup. But overall, he’s done what he’s asked. Manage the game. He’s done that, and even starting to build the chemistry necessary with out WRs to have a passing game. He might not throw for 4,000 or 5,000 yards, but he will probably end it with 3,000 maybe 3,500. At the very least more then grad….nothing against him, just a lil over hyped then he should be. A very poor man’s phillip rivers maybe…
by Marcofromda510 on Oct 15, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's the thing
Gradkowski is a better game manager than Campbell is too. He would be doing all the things you stated and then some. He would be keeping more drives alive (and in turn keeping the offense on the field more) and getting the most out of everybody else on the offense by inspiring them to play harder. And as much as it pains me to say it, I’d rather have a poor man’s Rivers than a poor man’s Joe Flacco which is what we have in Campbell.
by resident troll on Oct 15, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
He would be throwing INTs and getting injured
Gradkowski is a poor mans Rivers? really? is that why he is Daltons backup?
RIP Al Davis
by RyanTheRaider on Oct 15, 2011 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I was using Marco’s comparison. I wouldn’t have made it personally.
by resident troll on Oct 15, 2011 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Trollpost of the year thus far
by lchristmas on Oct 15, 2011 12:28 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Definitely!
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Oct 15, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Which part of it was incorrect? What would our record be in your opinion if we had Gradkowski starting over Campbell?
by resident troll on Oct 15, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
The whole thing
The whole thing was incorrect. Hes a backup to a rookie that tells you something. Campbell is a much better game manager and has the confidence of the team and deserves the start.
Gradkowski is a far superior game manager compared to Campbell. His record this year and even last proves that.
by resident troll on Oct 15, 2011 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
bull crap
he was 2-5 with us
RIP Al Davis
by RyanTheRaider on Oct 15, 2011 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I meant undefeated this year
And last year was a different team, with a much different offense. With this year’s team, there is no doubt he would have them either 4-1 or 5-0. And yes Campbell is 9-6 but he should be at least 11-3 if not better.
by resident troll on Oct 15, 2011 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
this year?
he didnt even play an entire game this year.I am also undefeated this year, maybe I should be the QB. Last year was a totally different team, that Campbell was 7-4 with and Gradkowski was 0-3 with.
RIP Al Davis
by RyanTheRaider on Oct 15, 2011 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
no
two of the games they split time at QB so im not counting those.
RIP Al Davis
by RyanTheRaider on Oct 15, 2011 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
You have also thrown no picks this year
Great Job buddy!
LMAO
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by Ozraider on Oct 15, 2011 11:02 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Thanks
it was really tough lol
RIP Al Davis
by RyanTheRaider on Oct 15, 2011 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
He is made of glass
Has a ton of heart, exudes leadership…but isnt a winner.
Outside of his comeback in Pittsburgh in the 4th quarter that season, he didnt do shit. I watched him ,kill our drive in Pittsburgh last season for that miserable 35-3 loss when he tossed a pick to Polomanu in relief of Campell. Then he started the next week and got hurt.
He’s an inspiration, not a Winner.
Ok?
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Oct 16, 2011 6:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh yea...to answer your question about games won with Grads....1-4...
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Oct 16, 2011 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions
BUT WHY?
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by The MoonMan 804 on Oct 15, 2011 12:31 PM PDT reply actions
lol this is the stupidest post i have ever wasted my time glancing over
Just the fact that you left Jamarcus as an option over Campbell proves how retarded you are…unless of course, you ARE Jamarcus! BUM BUM BUM!
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-Hue Jackson
This Is A Dumb Post
This is how Tebow got his starting job in Denver. When delusional fans just want to see their QB fail because they actually believe someone who is average can take us to a undefeated season. Support the guy, he has won us some big games, he is a the Raiders QB, and you wish Grad was here based off JC’s play? Ok JC has made some terrible plays, but grad hasn’t when he was playing for the Raiders? Your putting Grad where he doesn’t belong in the NFL, your saying he would have given us a better shot against the Patriots? Really? Dude seriously, if you wished Grad was so good, like Tom Brady good because your saying he would have beaten the Pats. Obviously the only way to beat the Pats is outscore Brady. Be real man, this is just dumb.
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Oct 15, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it's a legitimate topic for discussion, sinc egrad was on the team recently
I don’t agree with your harsh assessment of Campbell to this point, and your judgement of Grad is based on such a small sample.
Though I think a more serious QB controversy looms in the future
when Pryor shows what he can do—maybe next year or the year after.
This will definitely be a big controversy
Especially considering Campbell’s contract status and shaky play so far this season. Which part of my assessment of Campbell did you disagree with?
by resident troll on Oct 15, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
No it won't Pryor is like 3 years away from being ready.
Plus Gradkowski couldn’t win the starting job with the Bengals. Jason along with our WR’s have a long way to go.
Pryor Won't Sit
every game, he will have special packages for him. He will be a starter in like 3 years, learning and watching but he will play in different situations.
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Oct 15, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I agree with everything the posters have said here
All quarterbacks make some bonehead plays once in awhile—look at Romo for Jeebus’ sake. Cut the guy some slcak, and let him keep developing with his awesome cadre of young receivers, as was mentioned above.
Btw, I would change your name
“Resident Troll” is causing you to get blasted automatically, I think, weak post or not…
How about the word "awful"
Are you seriously a Raiders fan or a Chargers fan in disguise? Because a lot of us were pulling for Grad last year, and he simply isn’t the guy. Lot of heart, lot of brass, but arm like a noodle. It’s true Jason got off to a rough start, and had a few really bad games last year, but overall is so much better.
Were 3-2
I don’t understand why you would rather have gradkowski then JC. Doesn’t make no sense, JC has played way better then Gradkoswki this year. Gradkowski would be a better choice then Boller but to be a starter, i don’t think so. To be undefeated right now with Gradkowski? Are you serious? What does JC have to do? throw for 1 billion yards then he would be considered good. JC manages the game well, thats how the raiders win, they keep the opposing team off the field and we win with TOP. With Gradkowski we are a gun slinging team without a run game. Gradkowski is a backup kind of guy, he can make plays for you but he isn’t the best option when you are down 14 points.
RAIDER NATION
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Because we're 3-2
and I would rather us be 5-0 which we would be if we had Gradkowski. He is a better game manager, would be better than Campbell at keeping the offense on the field (and winning TOP) because he can make more plays on third down, and doesn’t make the stupid mistakes that Campbell seems to make every other game.
by resident troll on Oct 15, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah.
We’ve been a pretty sloppy team so far this year and have yet to put in 60 minutes of good football. Lucky to be 3-2. Sloppy against Denver and Houston but still won. Good first half against Bills, great sencond half agaist Jets, NE out matched us in just about every way.
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Me too. But, they let him go so we can't waste much energy on regret
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Oct 15, 2011 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
This maybe the worst post ever
Bruce is backing up a 2nd round rookie QB on the Bengals. That alone proves Bruce can’t start anywhere in the NFL. I loved how you hide the stats like saying a 91 qb rating . He went 5 for 12 92 yards an a touchdown. You forgot to say that 41 of those yards came on a busted play. Bruce is a gunslinger with a sling shot for an arm
Really?
Jason Campbell is doing a good job. I don’t know why so many fans are being so hard on him. Maybe it’s a “grass is always greener” mentality. I would rank him in the top third of QB’s in the NFL now. No spectacular but he’s steady and sticks to the plan.
Girlfriend: So the guy who catches the ball is the catcher, right?
Me: No. They are called wide-receivers. Catchers play baseball.
Girlfriend: Samething.
Six teams whose fans aren't complaining constantly about the QB
Steelers, Packers, Patriots, Lions, Bills, and us Raider fans (well, most of us anyway)
Yet for us to get to the level of those teams, we need to improve our QB position since each of those teams have quarterbacks FAR superior to Campbell.
by resident troll on Oct 15, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Can't always have everything
We have a better running game than any of those teams
who would all give their left nut to have Mcfadden.
Yes you can have everything
There are a few teams in this league that have everything offensively. We would be one of them if we had a good quarterback.
by resident troll on Oct 15, 2011 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Packers and Pats, I wouldn't argue ...
But I don’t put any of the rest of those QB’s as “far superior” to Campbell. Are they ‘better’? Yes. So is Phyllis, and Matt Ryan, and Joe Flacco, and …
But JC is what we got for now, and Grad showed last year in the Miami game that he is NOT the answer, plus he’s gone anyways and he ain’t coming back.
So basically, this whole thread is pretty lame as a discussion point. If you wanna bring up better QB options that are actually POSSIBLE at this point in time, fine. But the whole Grad v. JC discussion is fuckin’ pointless.
by Brett J Valjalo on Oct 15, 2011 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Hrrmmm ... what about the Saints?
Seems like they love them some Brees down on the bayou.
by Brett J Valjalo on Oct 15, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Top third?
Here are better quarterbacks than Campbell in my opinion, in no particular order:
Brady
Rodgers
Stafford
Rivers
Roethlisberger
Flacco
Cutler (stats look bad but he is a victim of his system)
Brees
Fitzpatrick
Vick
Ryan
Newton
All these guys are better than Campbell is right now. So I wouldn’t consider Campbell to be top third.
by resident troll on Oct 15, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ll even agree with you on those guys. Nice additions.
by resident troll on Oct 15, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
the quarterbacks better than Gradkowski
All the other QBs. Let’s be honest here for a dang second. If Bruce was the Raiders starter we wouldn’t be 5-0, we wouldn’t be 3-2. At best we might be 2-3. Campbell has a career QBR of 82.8 while Bruce’s is 66.5. Bruce has more career interceptions than touchdowns and only had one year, well two if you count this year, where he had more TDs than INTs. Campbell has 25 more career TDs than INTs and never had a year where he had more INTs than TDs. Career completion percentage goes to Campbell also. 60.8 for JC and 53 for Bruce. Even this year, JC’s completion percentage is better with a 60.3 while Bruce’s is 47.1.
If Bruce is so good, then why didn’t he beat out a rookie to be the Bengals’ starting QB. As far as a good game manager, if closing your eyes and heaving the ball down the field is good game managing then oh well.
Because the Bengals organization is incompetent
Is anybody going to argue with me about that point? They would be a MUCH better offense and have a better record if they were to start Gradkowski too! The team’s performance this year proves it!
by resident troll on Oct 15, 2011 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah
Bradford is one hundred percent a victim of being coached by McDaniels. He is a far better QB than Campbell is.
Shucky Ducky Quack Quack.
by resident troll on Oct 16, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
McDaniels is an offensive genius
RIP Al Davis
by RyanTheRaider on Oct 16, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Not with untalented teams
He is quickly turning into the next Mike Martz.
Shucky Ducky Quack Quack.
by resident troll on Oct 16, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
in a way.
BUt Bradford>Campbell no doubt. The kid is talented and under the radar.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Raiders Passing game rated 22nd.
Campbell sucks. He never wins. He manages not to lose. Look at the numbers. If you have a qb that always dumps off short passes and the offense has a tendency to have three and out. The defense will wear down and end up collapsing. Look at what Mcnabb is doing to the Vikings. We should of killed the browns. Special teams scored two of the touchdowns. The Browns scored off Campbell’s fumble. I hope I never see JC in a Raiders uniform again!!!!!!!!
by silverback51 on Oct 17, 2011 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Boldly stated and well reasoned; I share your sentiments as a True Raider
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Oct 17, 2011 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Grads is gone man. If he were with us then by all means lobby for him, but right now it's a wasted effort to talk about Grads.
Good player, better backup than Boller, but we let him go. Injuries can and will happen in this game.
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I wish we had Rodgers as our qb
and i was sleeping with scarlett johansen, and i was rich,
as long as were making things up may as well go big right?
That last one can totally come true man. It's all on you. You can control that. Just sayin'.....
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Thanks JJ. im on my way there.slowly but surely.
be nice if i could just wish it though. instead i treat sewage.
by sballdayerday on Oct 15, 2011 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Campbell isn't lighting up the world but...
the other choices in your poll either inspire no confidence or have already proven to be lesser than Campbell, Gradkowski included. I had to vote Campbell.
I was a big Grad fan and supported him last year, but he proved to take to many chances and over estimate the power of his own arm he ended up injured and threw too many picks.
As a leader he is probably a better motivator of men than JC, but Campbell handles the offense better and is now in his second year running this offense and is improving greatly. He is by no means perfect, but he’ll do. Besides changing QB’s all the time just screws up what chemistry the offense has going and the reason we lost the games we lost was not Jason Campbell is was a defense that can’t cover the short, quick hitter underneath.
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Why Is Everyone Hating Campbell
I think he is doing great. Pressure is a problem, but isn’t that a problem for every quarterback? He is winning games, and that’s it. JC is my QB anyday, period
If Winning Isn't Everthing, Why Do They Keep Score? - Vince Lombardi
It's cause most of the People on this Site have no Clue about football.
Most people on this Site only watch who we are playing and ESPN highlight. There are only 5 top QB’s in the Game Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Rivers, Brees. Every other team is in the same spot as us or Worst.
Coming from the guy that rants about how we can't win with man coverage.
Michael me and you seem to disagree a lot but I always read what you have to say. I’m sure you don’t care but just saying. I’ve never seen a QB give the pats D a pick in the redzone. Great blocking all day to throw and just gave it away. I know it was one throw but when we need the win I haven’t seen him step up for the game winner. If he hits that pass to Moore at the end and puts it away. Yes there are 5 QBs that are great but what about the young rising ones? I want to have a Bradford, Stafford, Freeman, Ryan, Flacco, or even a Newton. When we drafted a QB it was the wrong year to. Now that we have our headcoach he needs his franchise QB to mold into a great one. We have the staff, and the playmakers we’re just missing a few peices on defense and a young QB with the sky as the limit talent.
"I haven’t seen him step up for the game winner"
Houston? that TD pass to Schillens to give us the lead in the 4th.
RIP Al Davis
by RyanTheRaider on Oct 15, 2011 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I could of thrown that pass.
He got the ball back and had a chance to win it for us. To be clutch. To be the leader. No one says Campbell and the Raiders. It’s McFadden or Seymour. Campbell doesn’t throw picks but when he does they aren’t even picks where the defense made a play they are stupid should never of been thrown picks. He doesn’t trust his receivers which I think are getting better by the week. Until he shows he can be clutch and get the 1st when we need it I think we should be looking at QBs on saturdays.
You could have thrown that pass?
no you couldnt have.It was a perfectly thrown ball, on the run, across his body.What about that deep pass to Moore in Buffalo to give us the lead late in the 4th? That would have been the game winner if the defense could have gotten a stop.Gradkowski throws more ints then Campbell.
RIP Al Davis
by RyanTheRaider on Oct 15, 2011 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Also the KC game last year ...
Tossed pretty much the game-winner to Ford (twice, actually), even if they weren’t scoring throws, they were HIGH pressure, basically game-winning throws. So it’s not like he can’t function under pressure and can’t win games for us. He’s done so.
Sure I would’ve liked to see the offense manage a first down to close out the game in TX last week, but I’ve seen that exact thing happen a 1000 times to other teams besides us. Defense needs the stop to get the ball back to the offense, and they end up getting it rather than the O of the team that’s ahead picking up any first downs to close out the game.
Mark my words, TX is for real this year. Although losing their version of Seymour for the season is really gonna hurt them, and they need AJ back on the field. But that is a damn good team
by Brett J Valjalo on Oct 16, 2011 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Jason led us to TWO game winning drives.against buffalo
The defense gave them back.
I’m not.even getting into a grad vs campbell debate because its pointless on so many levels.
by lchristmas on Oct 16, 2011 8:37 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You're unrealistic
And that’s why you’re disappointed. “If only we had QB like Brady”…yeah, that would be nice, wouldn’t it? Fans of 20something different teams around the league saying the same thing. Everybody knows Campbell has his limitations, but we’re 3-2, and if the damn D would have just held, we’d be 4-1. This team is not going to be about the QB any time soon, it’s all about DMF because he’s the bonafide superstar in town. The Raiders are a running team. Is that really so terrible when we’ve got maybe the best in the league at RB?
Or
They have short memories, and have forgotten the names Marinovich, Wilson, McCown, Culpepper, Tuiasosopo, Russell, etc. already.
that hit parade goes on and on ...
Lets add Andrew Walter, Scott Drysbach, and Aaron Brooks, shall we … and Kerry Collins looked totally washed up when he played for us …
The parade of SUCK we’ve endured at the QB position since Plunkett has been fucking brain-melting (aside from RG of course).
Campbell is the best since Gannon, and before that the Hos, and before that Plunkett. So he’s our 3rd best QB in the last 30 friggin years in my book.
by Brett J Valjalo on Oct 16, 2011 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions
That doesn't make him good
Shucky Ducky Quack Quack.
by resident troll on Oct 16, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Plus it's week to week
After Jason put up 108 QB rating against Buffalo, the critics were nowhere to be found. He has a rough game against Houston, and they’re out in force apparently.
I agree
it seems like everyone is forgetting that Campbell led us to victory in the houston game.
And the beginning. And parts of the middle to be honest.
by resident troll on Oct 15, 2011 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I blame Campbell for why Dmac isn't hitting 200 all purpose yards a game.
The defense will keep putting 9 in the box until we have better play at the QB position.
when the oline was playing like shit?
and Campbell was getting hit and/or running for his life every play?
RIP Al Davis
by RyanTheRaider on Oct 15, 2011 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
He Sucks
22nd ranked passing offense. The king of the three yard pass. If you get your way. We will never win a playoff game. We have a great team except for our QB.
by silverback51 on Oct 17, 2011 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
We have the #2 rushing O
How high do you expect the pass O to be rated when we run it the most and throw it the 5th lowest amount of times per game.
RIP Al Davis
by RyanTheRaider on Oct 17, 2011 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Campbell is playing well enough
first winning record after 5 games since 02 with 3 winnable games at home coming up we could be in much worse places.
But we could be much better too!
If Gradkowski was starting there’s no way our record wouldn’t be better.
by resident troll on Oct 15, 2011 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Did you watch
any of the games bruce played in last year. Yeah people were excited when he first came in but when most folks started to watch him more carefully, they realized that he wasn’t that good. If he was any good, don’t you think the Raiders would have made him the starter. If he was any good, he would be the starter over Dalton. Campbell is the better QB. Period.
Is there a 'who can post the dumbest shit' contest going on at the moment that I am
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RIP Mr Davis 1929 - 2011
by Ozraider on Oct 15, 2011 7:50 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Isn't it past your bedtime
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
RIP Mr Davis 1929 - 2011
by Ozraider on Oct 15, 2011 8:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Seriously it was much better around here without you and your Campbell hating,
Just as it was last year after you left, what was that you said something like, “This is the best day of my life” when Gradkowski was named the starter. How did that decision work out? Grad showed off his pop gun arm, The Raiders lost, didn’t make the playoffs and a fat oaf lost his job.
by Oceanside Raider on Oct 15, 2011 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
So it worked out
Because it got us to where we are now.
Shucky Ducky Quack Quack.
by resident troll on Oct 16, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Ok
Is there a ‘who can post the dumbest shit’ contest going on at the moment that nobody told me about or something.
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
RIP Mr Davis 1929 - 2011
by Ozraider on Oct 15, 2011 7:52 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 4 recs
Word!
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Oct 16, 2011 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
HE WAS TALKING ABOUT YOU
LOL
Shucky Ducky Quack Quack.
by resident troll on Oct 16, 2011 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions
The funniest thing about this post is that you are comparing stats from this season
Bruce has played ONE game and was 5 for 12 with a TD and 92 Yards and somehow you think that translates to him being a QB that would have out performed JC and lead us to 5-0, NO SHIT he has thrown less INT’s its pretty hard to throw INT’s from the BENCH.
I LOVED Bruce when he was here and for that half a season when he took over for J-Russ he was special especially that Pitt game but the guy has lost his job 3 times in the last two years. JC beat him out in training camp then won the job again during the season and Bruce lost his job to the Rookie this year.
I am a huge Bruce fan but the whole premise of the argument is ludicrous.
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
RIP Mr Davis 1929 - 2011
Such BS
JC has a top 10 QBr , a great game manager and is very efficient and takes care of the ball. Bruce was a reckless wanna be gun slinger with no accuracy . JC wins, Bruce doesnt .
RIP Al Davis
I won't respond about Jason's game management or squandering of TOs but will say this about your comparision ...
I’ve never seen Bruce melt down and throw directly to a white jersey when wearing the home Black. Moreover, Bruce made plays and they worked for us until he wrecked his shoulder against Houston … the aftermath is well know and unfortunate.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Oct 16, 2011 5:40 AM PDT up reply actions
grads did throw a lot more picks than Campbell ...
Which is a pretty important stat when you get down to it.
Just sayin’
by Brett J Valjalo on Oct 16, 2011 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Peyton Manning throws more picks then Freemen.
Big Ben throws more picks then Alex Smith. Yet Manning and Ben have rings. Favre threw a shit ton of picks his whole career. Somebody in my last post pointed out to me that the snake threw 3 picks a game and we still won. Ok Campbell doesn’t throw picks but sure as hell goes 3 and out a lot.
by raiderfan21 on Oct 16, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
But those guys also complete a high % of passes, lots of yards and TD's
Bruce did none of that
RIP Al Davis
WHY ARE YOU DOWNPLAYING GRADKOWSKI'S IMPACT?
HE IS THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TURNAROUND OF THE OFFENSE LAST YEAR AS MUCH AS ANY OF THE PLAYERS. HIM AND HUE.
Shucky Ducky Quack Quack.
by resident troll on Oct 16, 2011 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
i do think
that we should have kept garcia (remember we had him?). i mean yea he was up there in age, but come on he could have outplayed and outscrapped doc b with one arm. and isnt that why we liked him in the first place? he was scrappy and fiery and he got the team rowled up and never quit on a play… and whats all this about us being short on db’s? i swear not too long ago we had lito sheppard on board, what happened to that?
I totally wanted to keep Jeff ...
I do actually know the guy, I’ve played tennis with him and went out partying with him a couple times … a friend of a friend from Gilroy, basically.
I wished we’d benched Jamarcus in favor of Garcia that year we brought him in, probably woulda had a better season but there was no way Al was going for that, and Jeff wanted to start … so Al let him go to try to find himself a starting job. Which I don’t think he did if memory serves. I found that pretty astounding because he’d led the Eagles and the Bucs to the playoffs in the previous two seasons if I’m remembering history correctly.
Anyway, pretty sure that Jeff is actually still playing in some football league, dunno if it’s Arena or what … At his current age of like 41 I don’t think he’d be a good option for this team except as a 3rd stringer, and I think he’d rather be playing and be a ‘star’ in some other league than warm the bench in the NFL. He ain’t got many more years of playing left, and I know that guy LOVES to play football.
by Brett J Valjalo on Oct 16, 2011 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions
The bigger question is...
Are those 8 people who voted for JaWalrus actually serious about rather having him be our starter right now over Campbell? Or were they just trying to be funny? Hopefully it’s the latter.
Keeping things in perspective
and an eye on the big picture:
- The Raiders are more solid at QB than they have been in years, even considering Campbell’s limitations.
- Grad had his chance, couldn’t do it. In any event, he’s gone now, back up to a rookie QB, and would be 3rd on the depth chart if Carson Palmer wasn’t on sabbatical.
- Blanket comments like “Jason Campbell sucks!” don’t serve a lot of purpose. You got a problem with him, at least specify areas he’s weak in AND suggest how he might improve, OR figure who we could get that’s better and how we could get him.
- Resident troll is a troll, and probably is enjoying himself to no end pushing people’s buttons. Some people take delight in strange things. Go figure.
To say Bruce should be the starter isn't accurate even though Bruce won the job twice and lost it both times to injury.
Campbell played well enough at the end of last year to keep the job. That doesn’t mean he is our franchise QB. He has yet to prove anything. He has no confidence, no leadership, and kind of inconsistent. I think some of you fans are tired of the rump roast at the QB position and are willing to settle for the 6 ounce sirloin with fat on it then trying to get that filet franchise guy.
I think we would all love an upgrade at QB
but there are no options to upgrade at the moment.If we could get a better QB than Campbell next off season im all for it.
RIP Al Davis
by RyanTheRaider on Oct 16, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Need a new QB
If we get a top tear QB we are championship material. If we keep taking guys like JC. We should go after McNabb.
by silverback51 on Oct 17, 2011 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
"If we get a top tear QB we are championship material"
“We should go after McNabb.” LOL those should never be said together.
RIP Al Davis
by RyanTheRaider on Oct 17, 2011 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
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