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Why I Believe The Raiders Should Trade For Kyle Orton.

I'm pretty sure you all just read the headline and figured I'd lost my mind.

Of course Orton hasn't had a great season - there's a reason why the Donkeys pulled him for Jesus H. Tebow even though he can't succeed at that most basic quarterback skill of throwing the ball.

Nevertheless, there are a few reasons why I would trade for Kyle Orton.

Firstly, he'll come cheap. I'm pretty sure Denver will cut him and his $5 million if they can't work a deal before the deadline. They'll probably take anything for him right now - even from a division rival. I reckon we could get him for a 2013 No.4 with the potential to become a 3 under certain circumstances which he'll never meet (let's say a Pro Bowl and a 60+% completion rate for arguments' sake). That makes him more attractive than a washed up Carson Palmer or Matt Flynn, both of whom will cost a kings' ransom if we go after them at all.

Secondly, it's hard to see how he couldn't have struggled this season. Ever since the lockout ended the Denver fans have been calling for his head and the coaching staff/management never really gave him full support, no matter what they said - the blown trade to Miami was enough. The quarterback position is one of the most confidence dependent in the league. All these goings on probably shot it out of the water.

Thirdly, just imagine him starting against Denver in Week 7. He's going to be fired up to show the Donkeys and the entire AFC West that he's still got something in the tank.

Now the question has to be asked - can he help the Raiders?

Contrary to popular belief, the stats show Orton to be a pretty good long ball passer. Pro Football Focus broke down the statistics of all starting QBs last year throwing over 20 yards. Orton had the lowest interception rate on those passes of any quarterback and had a better completion rate on these balls than Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Ryan, Peyton Manning, Josh Freeman and, yes, Jason Campbell. And it's not like this was an extremely small sample size - out of 73 passes attempted over 20 yards last season, he completed 27. That's more than all the guys I mentioned except Manning.

Of course, part of that came from playing in Josh McDaniels' offense and it didn't exactly lead to many wins. However, let's look at his time in Chicago where he played in a run-first offense like ours where he had to manage the game. In 2005 (his rookie season), he started 15 games and led the Bears to a 10-5 record (albeit with poor personal stats). In 2008, the only other year where he played more than 10 games, he had a 9-6 record with a 58.5% completion percentage, just under 3000 yards and 18 touchdowns to 12 interceptions. That's comparable to Jason's stats last year with us - 59% completion rate, 13 TDs to 8 INTs and 2,387 yards.

As some of you know, I struggle with numbers (I had to copy those off Wikipedia) so I can't figure out what exactly they all mean in the greater scheme of things. But it's clear to see that a motivated Orton playing freely without worrying about the lovechild of Jesus and Elway breathing down his back would, at worst, give us production similar to Campbell. If he could bring his deep throw success last year to Oakland the playoffs would still be worth a dream.

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Too much Fantasy Football on this site No QB could come in and in two weeks become the starter. I can’t say that Orton is any better than Boller either.

by Mallard Davis on Oct 17, 2011 6:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Nevertheless

We do need to bring in another QB unless you want TP starting in the event of another injury. And if that QB is better than Boller, he will probably end up learning the system and starting at some point. 2 weeks? 3? Who knows? I personally don’t think it is Orton. But it has to be someone and I’d rather it be someone better than Boller.

It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide

by SavageBeast on Oct 17, 2011 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Donovan McNabb!!!!

I think the Raiders should trade for McNabb, the raiders team have an overall better team than the Vikings. McNabb would flourish under Hue Jackson. He could also come really cheap!! 2013 7th round pick.

by Angryraider on Oct 17, 2011 9:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Mcnabb said he would rather retire than play for us, fuck him.

Why would we want to put him in a position to succeed after such an insulting comment. We can get someone better and than we don’t have to help out somebody who doesn’t deserve to wear silver and black.

"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis

"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi

by Marcus Allen Krause on Oct 17, 2011 9:38 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

At this stage,

Boller is better than McNabb.

"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and f*** -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get f***ed. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in s*** and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.

by Screwfish on Oct 17, 2011 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah McNabb just isn't good anymore

Look how much beter the vikes O looked with Ponder

"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson

RIP Mr Davis 1929 - 2011

by Ozraider on Oct 17, 2011 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

THEY DIDN'T LOOK BETTER

DOES THE TERM “GARBAGE TIME” MEAN ANYTHING TO YOU?

THAT BEING SAID, NO TO MCNABB FOR ME TOO

Shucky Ducky Quack Quack.

by resident troll on Oct 17, 2011 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

He doesn't have 100 INT's in 7 years

Palmer has 100 INT’s in 7 years along with 30 fumbles. WTF, JC has 50 INT’s in the same 7 years. I just cannot see traiding for some guy who has been sitting it out folks. I cannot see traiding for some guy on Green Bay that would cost us a big draft chouce, I cant buy that at all! I do not know the answer but I do know this, we got Boller and we better quit talking crap and and support him, he will beat KC and that is what we need at the moment. “QUIT TRASHING BOLLER AND GET READY FOR KC”

RAIDERS ROCK

by blacknben on Oct 17, 2011 11:11 PM PDT reply actions  

I say either get Orton, or we coax Favre or Garcia out of retirement ...

Just to backup Boller. I agree w/o question Boller gives us the best chance to win on Sunday, but I’d like a cheap, veteran backup who’d join the team just on the chance that Boller chokes and they get one last shot at the glory of taking a good team to the playoffs …

by Brett J Valjalo on Oct 17, 2011 11:11 PM PDT reply actions  

See how cheap Farve is

How much can he want, crap he should pay us to play in Oakland. Only chance he has to to be in the post season. Poor boy never had so many recievers in his whole career and the O line from hell. Defense that will record records this year, freaking special teams off the charts. Good shot for a old fart with some attitude, hell he would prolly like a nice cold Sierra Nevada if he tried one! Just an idea, don’t you know!

by blacknben on Oct 17, 2011 11:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Favre is good at extorting boat loads of money out of teams, if he came back i doubt hed be cheap.

I wouldn’t be against it, I live in Green Bay and never turned on him. One of my favorite athletes of all time and Id love to see him with our WRs but I don’t think he Would come out of retirement. Fun thought though lol

"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis

"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi

by Marcus Allen Krause on Oct 17, 2011 11:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  


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