Raiders Show Patriotism by Taking Stupid Pills Before Game
by Rich Langford on Oct 2, 2011 9:53 PM PDT
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The Raiders made enough boneheaded plays in this game to last a season. Richard Seymour set the tone and then Jason Campbell peaked them out by mistaking a Patriot defender for the out of the endzone area.
They came out in a big game against a tough opponent and laid an egg. The seeds were planted in that egg early. They were held to a field goal on their opening drive and then the ensuing Patriots' drive Richard Seymour personal fouled the Pats to the endzone.
At that moment a quote from Jim Morrison got stuck in my head and stayed there. For this game, the Raiders "had the soul of a clown that forced them to blow it at the most inopportune moments."
It is clear that this team is not where they need or want to be, but you know what? They aren't that far off either.
This kind of egg laying is something we have grown all too accustomed to in recent years. And it is in those memories where I find solace in this thorough defeat.
In recent years in these types of games, the Raiders have been flat-out dominated in all phases of the game. Think back to the Dolphins, Steelers, Texans and Titans games last season. The Raiders were straight run off the field.
In those games the stupid mistakes didn't matter. In this game it was the difference between being in it 'til the end and out of it in the third quarter.
In the end, I am not all that discouraged by the loss. That was a bad matchup from the get go. And probably the worst matchup the NFL has to offer for this weak defense. This defense needs to focus on improving each week, the offense just needs to bounce back, and collectively this team needs to stop playing like a wild pack of morons.
If they can do those things, this team is going to be alright.
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still think
the Bills loss is worse than this…..We had chances to score tds and be in it, and we didnt…We allowed them to stay on drives with flags and didnt finish and played flat out of the gate in 2nd half….again.
I agree mostly
I have a big problem with the penalties over the last……………my whole life that have plagued this team. This year they seem to be hi lighted because the team is actually competitive. Who can we blame? The coach’s? The players? And also troubling is the tackling. What are they doing out there? These big runs by no name backs are driving me crazy. Still, on the plus I really do like the offense. The O line in particular is special. The WR’s are of course very good. DHB made some impressive catches (along with some impressive bone head mistakes), Moore is very solid as a starter, Hagen is dependable, the whole team blocks, and DMC is awesome. It’s a start. Campbell may not be the answer, but perhaps he is the gateway to a better QB at some point in the next few years. But this D, this year, really needs to start playing smarter. Right now, they stink. Especially our safeties, even if they get healthy. Help is needed. For now, I’m cautiously optimistic about the season and contention.
by lakers007raiders on Oct 2, 2011 10:41 PM PDT reply actions
Exactly, yesterdays game was an obvious reminder why we DONT need Rob Ryan here. Dallas lost after being up to Detroit. Say what you want about Detroit being legit and everything but sorry Ill pass on RR running our D.
by SilvrnBlck forever on Oct 3, 2011 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Time to move on and think about the Texans
We have a chance at going into the bye looking in good shape. 4-3 or 5-2 look pretty realistic and both would be our best start since 2002, so we have good things to look forward to.
Don't know whether to laugh or cry. Perhaps you've been watching our LB against the rush? and the pass?
Time to move on and think about the Texans …so we have good things to look forward to.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Oct 3, 2011 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions
"D" Did What Could Be Expected...Get Raped By That Damn Run!!!..But Tough In The Stats!!!
We held them to 100yds less “O” and 150yds less Passing than other teams this season….But we gave up the 6.1yds ave for 185yds to their Rush!!!…Just Sick!!
The “O” was a problem…We forgot who we are and abandoned our run way too early…Only 36yds in the entire 2nd half is a travesty for this team…I have to put that on Hue…
“JC” failed us playing a role not himself…Trying to win with his arm…Just ain’t there baby!!
"Zebra"s were the typical "Zebra"s and found new ways to screw us as usual!!…
Not sure we beat Houston but it gets easier after that…Outside our AFCW we only have these teams left…Clev/Minn/Chi/Miami/“GB”/Det….“GB”-n-Det are the probable losses…
“SD” is who we have to beat out for the AFCW….They be up against it too and NOT dominate….Jets/“GB”/Chi/Jacs/Buff/Bal/Det/….
I say we still take this division even with a loss to Houston….
maybe we should have run the ball more
but the offense moved the ball fine with passing more
I’m not saying we should pass heavily, I’m just saying that it looked good if you take away the slip/mistake that JC committed in the red zone. Perhaps if the Raiders run the ball more they still move the ball as well as they did with the pass minus the mistakes (who knows?).
Regardless, I think Jason grows as a result of this game.
I also legitimately think we can take Houston (see the replay from today? they made a few bonehead mistakes themselves, lol).
By Grabthar's hammer and the hands of Zeus, I shall avenge thee.
I Remember Pass Pass Incomplete....Than 3rd -n- Longs....
Or run for 4-6yds and pass pass incomplete?….Than in the Red Zone when that Int was given up…Why weren’t we running it down their throats?…It’s what we do and do well so I just don’t understand why we got away from that early on…And than to really piss me off with time running off the clock we came out in the 4th and run the ball for no gains…All I can do is ask why???
Because the WRs and TEs were so open that is the only explanation for abandoning the rush. Jason didn't see what was there
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Oct 3, 2011 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Why weren’t we running it down their throats?
we […] run the ball for no gains
I think you answered your own question. We always run in the red zone and don’t like to pass (for obvious reasons). Yesterday in the red zone it was painfully obvious that we were going to run and the pats were expecting it. We ran the ball on 1st down and they stuffed it. Throwing the ball was the right choice.
"Weakness on both sides is, as we know, the motto of all quarrels." -Voltaire
I Disagree To This Point...Running You Force Your Will Upon Them....It's Our Strength...
1-6-NE 6 (3:01) (Shotgun) 29-M.Bush left tackle to NE 6 for no gain (50-R.Ninkovich).
2-6-NE 6 (2:24) 8-J.Campbell pass short middle INTERCEPTED by 25-P.Chung at NE -9. Touchback.
We were in 4 down territory or open to the “FG”….That would have made it 13-10 Raiders or 17-10….Instead we make the big mistake and contribute to the loss…
that int was the dagger. yes, that early
I was right at the angle where he threw that ball and words cannot even convey how awful a decision and\or execution that was.
but that loss isn’t on jason. our lbs can’t tackle, the dbs couldnt cover, our all world d line didn’t ruffle toms tuxedo, the defense couldnt get off the field.
by lchristmas on Oct 3, 2011 9:29 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
We knew it would be a shootout. I'm not at all excusing the D but the O was good ... except for one man.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Oct 3, 2011 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions
This From The "SF" Rag:
MAKING THE GRADE…The Bad:
Pass offense: Jason Campbell did a lot of damage according to the stat sheet, throwing for 344 yards. But as Campbell said after the game, his inexplicable end zone interception to New England’s Patrick Chung swung momentum to the Patriots for good. Grade: D+
Run defense: The Patriots rushed for 183 yards on 30 carries, a 6.1 average, after running sparingly over the first three games. Stevan Ridley raced 33 yards for a touchdown on the opening possession of the second half. Grade: D
Coaching: The end result says the decision to use Joe Porter for a lot of single coverage on Welker was questionable at best. The Raiders seemed unprepared for the Patriots running game. Hue Jackson got conservative with strategy and kept giving the ball back to New England’s offense. Grade: D
The only thing that looked presentable:
Pass defense: Tom Brady’s yardage output of 226 yards was his lowest of the season, but the Raiders had no take-aways and Wes Welker caught nine passes for 158 yards and a touchdown. Grade: C-
Run offense: Once New England took the opening second-half kickoff and scored for a 24-10 lead, the Raiders were forced to abandon the run and finished with 160 yards after gaining 124 in the first half. Darren McFadden finished with 75 yards on 14 carries. Grade: B-
Special teams: Still no fireworks for the Raiders return game on either kickoffs or punts. Shane Lechler punted twice for a 44.5 net, pinning the Patriots once at their own 4. Coverage units fared well. Sebastian Janikowski converted two short field goals. Grade: B
Some positives....
…another TD for Mr Moore and another game without a sack being given up. However the concern must be that while our O is much improved it is pretty one dimensional. Campbell really has got to become more consistent.
No
The CONCERN is the worthless defense, run by a worthless defensive coordinator – Bresnahan. Moore’s TD came in total garbage time when no one on the Pats defense gave 2 shytes what happened. Otherwise Moore ends up with virtually nothing for the game. Campbell looked like his usual deer-in-the-headlights as well.
by Silver_n_black on Oct 3, 2011 2:35 AM PDT up reply actions
As I said, I was trying to be positive....
……the defence goes without saying. My point was that in the Bills game and with the Jets we competed despitie our defence.
politely disagreed that JC looked bad
until the interception, the announcers thought he was playing great; I did too. After that he played well too. That mistake was uncharacteristic. I think he’ll grow from it—we’ll see.
I don’t fault him for the second int.
By Grabthar's hammer and the hands of Zeus, I shall avenge thee.
(I also realize that you're ranting--that's cool).
rant on.
By Grabthar's hammer and the hands of Zeus, I shall avenge thee.
It's what is there for the taking but isn't taken that makes Jason weak. Our receivers are getting consistently open
a good QB could have thrown for 5 yards yesterday with our receivers performances…. wasted opportunities.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Oct 3, 2011 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions
500
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Oct 3, 2011 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the only negatives for jason were his two INTs.
He did fine throwing it to the open guys, avoiding the sacks, and making plays.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I know you watched the game because you're really a NE fan. But if you didn't see the opportunities Cambell had
then your faith in your #32 ranked DBs has truly blinded you.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Oct 3, 2011 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
It was one game. Not going to panic on campbell when his other 3 games were very good.
And I’m a Raider/Pats fan. I’ve said it for over a year now, so get used to it.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
They did play perhaps the best offense in the league.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Yep.
Though GB might have something to say about that.
The endzone interception and personal foul penalties cost Oakland dearly. Oakland scores on that drive, and that was a different game. Not necessarily a win, but a much different game. We start shoving DMC down their defense’s throat, chew up more time and yards, and keep Brady off the field. Who knows? Oakland might have pulled it out.
Oakland controlled time of possession, total yards, and didn’t give up a sack. Positive signs.
by Name's Dalton on Oct 3, 2011 6:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I think they would have competed greatly if it wasn't for bone-headed mistakes.
we fix those, and our run defense, and we’ll be a playoff team for sure.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
DHB vs Moore
One very large difference I noticed in this game is that DHB does not attack the ball. On the last deep ball I’m glad he made the catch, but it was lucky to not be intercepted. Conversely, Denarius goes up to high point the ball as seen in the Buffalo game vs. double coverage.
I hope DHB can learn this, perhaps by watching the rook.
This.
DHB’s problem has always been attacking the ball. When you see the ball, you do what it takes to get into position to catch the ball. He’s too passive on balls in the air, and doesn’t go get them. This is a quality that all good receivers have, and, in my opinion, it’s the thing holding DHB back. Moore has this, and I think part of the reason that he fell so far in the draft is that he wasn’t put into that position much in college, and its not something you can see in workouts or the combine. Also, look at Ford. Twice last year, he elevated, attacked the ball, and stole away a sure interception from a defender. The ability to do this is something DHB still doesn’t have, and that’s a problem.
"Even if the plane is on autopilot, I don't want a monkey in the cockpit" - ilikeike
One of his earlier catches involved him jumping up in the air and snagging the ball with his hands (not chest).
I think Campbell didn’t present DHB with many jump balls yesterday.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
True – he is improving on catching the ball with his hands and not his body. Problem is, he’s not consistently doing that. I do agree with pfeifer that both Moore and Ford are much more consistently aggressive towards the ball at this stage.
by luckthefakers on Oct 3, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
stop giving the ball to bush
18 total touches is inexcusable for mcfadden. i understand the goalline carries. thats where it needs to end.
by pac4eva5 on Oct 3, 2011 12:22 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Okay, so I've watched that first penalty on Seymour four times now ...
There was ABSOLUTELY NO WHISTLE blown on that play.
I mean, it’s not like it was a quiet one or something that maybe Dick didn’t hear … there was NO WHISTLE BLOWN AT ALL.
You’d think that refs would ‘eat’ their mistake and pick up the PF flag on Seymour, but I suppose that would mean admitting they THEY FUCKED UP DOING THEIR JOB, so of course that couldn’t happen.
Thusly, began the ass-f*cking of the Raiders in this game by the Zebra’s.
Not that they ‘cost us the game’, but they pretty much did everything possible to overlook Pat’s violations, and called US for friggin everything they possibly could.
by Brett J Valjalo on Oct 3, 2011 12:54 AM PDT reply actions
And picked up one against the pats to change the momentum as we were marching towards the end zone. 1st and goal on the 5 is sure as hell better than 3rd and 10 on the 15 of the pats. It’d be nice to somehow get used to the bad calls against us, but it’s just not possible.
Rawr!
That one was lame too ...
What’s really annoying is that I’ve heard two sets of announcers on that Seymour PF penalty now, the one’s from the game, and the highlight reel guys (whoever they are) talking about the play after the fact (watching highlights on NFL.com). NEITHER of them even mention that there was NO WHISTLE. The guys during the game I can maybe understand, they had only a few moments to ponder the situation.
But hours later, the highlight reel commentators narrating the play … they HAD TO KNOW there was no whistle … but instead they bicker about whether Seymour ‘heard it’ or not.
He COULDN’T HEAR IT because they DIDN’T BLOW IT you morons.
by Brett J Valjalo on Oct 3, 2011 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Whats up with the nickname?????
So ive been hearing alot of people call seymour “big dick” uhhhhhh wtf u guys dont think its strange to compliment a guy on his dick??? Seems pretty damn weird to me, could someone please explain who made that up and when cuz thats just…….strange
Dick is a nickname for Richard ...
And he’s a big dude.
Friggin DUH …
by Brett J Valjalo on Oct 3, 2011 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry man, just pissed off ...
Took me a second to put 2+2 together the first time I saw him referred to as Big Dick as well lol
by Brett J Valjalo on Oct 3, 2011 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions
BRESNAHAN MUST GO!!
I’ve been calling for this idiot’s head since the preseason and everyone kept telling me to chill out and wait for the regular season. I’m done chillin’ this guy is worthless! We have no pass rush…..no run stoppage….terrible coverage…..no schemes….nothing! We are out-coached every single game. The other team goes in at halftime and makes adjustments and Bresnahan does tequila shots or something. This is BS! Fire Bresnahan and bring in someone who has some imagination, some desire to actually COACH his team. I’m disgusted with this awful defense!!!!!!!
If There's NO Schemes Than Just What The Hell Do You Think The "D" Is???
Did you watch the Jets game…Did you see the adjustments to stop them toward the end of the 1st half and into the 2nd?….
You could at least learn something about "D"s prior to trying to be a critic of them….
For instance did you know that we limited "NE"s “O” better than any other “D” this season?…To the tune of 100 less yards?….And 150 less yds passing??….Or that we stopped them 5 out of 9 possessions from scoring "TD"s while only allowing one “TD” per quarter?…To the #1 “O” n the whole freakin NFL???
Stop posting that stat like it means something
Our defense gave up 31 points and let them score on 5 of their first 6 possessions. Game Over at that point.
Sure we limited them in yards, but giving up like 70 yards in defensive penalties sure bridges the gap between what we allowed and what they normally gain.
NFL is about points, not yards.
To be fair
the game should have been a hell o a lot closer than whats shown on the scoreboard now.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
That's true
and I’m not arguing that. I thought we had our chances with the INT in the end zone and not kicking that 56 yard FG.
However, unless you believe in miracles, being down 31-13 with 13 minutes left is game over. In that situation, you stop congratulating the defense for getting stops/the offense for getting scores.
Eh. I think its possible.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
WoW!!...There's No Fight To The End Is You Is There???
Did you ever suit up and strap on a jack….Ever learn to play threw pain and down to the very last tick of a clock?….
Fuck I don’t know what’s worse…The one who throws in a towel before the 1st toss of a coin or the one who quits on his team at the 1st signs of adversity???
I didn't say we gave up
I said they did. Big difference.
THIS:
“However, unless you believe in miracles, being down 31-13 with 13 minutes left is game over. In that situation, you stop congratulating the defense for getting stops/the offense for getting scores.”
NO!!...You Don't Like That Shit Than Stop Reading It!!!....You Don't Demand Anything!!!
2nd Possession PUNT!!!
4th Possession “FG”!!!
7th Possession PUNT!!!…Off Int…
8thy Possession PUNT!!!
9th Possession TURN OVER!!!
10th Possession KNEE!!!!
That 6 out of 10 possessions where they failed to score a “TD” regardless of how much you hate to see it!!!
Shit!!...Now I Understand...Buffalo Making A Comeback Late Is Not Real!!!
Detroit coming back against Dallas and stopping their “O” was really just Dallas not wanting to play anymore!!!….All those great Raider comebacks in history don’t amount to a thing…It was just the Jets being tired in that Heidie Bowl and quitting on us!!!….
Detroit came back
in the second half to an average Cowboy team. Buffalo started their comeback against NE in the first half, actually. They were down 21-0 and scored a TD.
You want to compare that to an 18 point deficit after 48 minutes of play? We scored 13 pts in the first 48 and you thought we were going to score 18 in the last 12?
Thanks for addressing my arguments based on facts and logic
with name calling.
Comebacks you referenced:
Lions vs. Cowboys: Dallas goes up 27-3 with 13 minutes left in the 3rd. Detriot comes back with 2 pick-6’s and the Cowboys answer with a FG to end the 3rd 30-17. At the 13 minute mark in the 4th (same time we were down 31-13) Lions score a TD, 24-30.
So our situation was down 18 and theirs was down 6. Totally different.
Bills vs. Patriots (last week): Patriots go up 21-0 with 6 minutes left in the half, Bills answer with 10 pts. 21-10 at half. Bills score a TD in 3rd, Pats get a FG so its 24-17. Bills score 2 TDs between 10-11 minutes left to take 31-24 lead.
So our situation was down 18 and theirs was +7 at the 10 minute mark. Again, totally different.
Can You See How Foolish Your Crap Is Yet???
1-10-OAK 16 (13:34) 8-J.Campbell pass short left to 20-D.McFadden to OAK 42 for 26 yards (31-S.Brown).
1-10-NE 30 (10:28) 8-J.Campbell pass short middle intended for 20-D.McFadden INTERCEPTED by 75-V.Wilfork at NE 30. 75-V.Wilfork to NE 49 for 19 yards (20-D.McFadden).
I don't see your point
In neither situation are we even remotely close to being in the same position as those games. Even if we get a TD on that drive, its still 31-19 with roughly 7(?) minutes left. Sure its a better situation, but it isn’t really that close.
We had our chances in that game, but they were a lot earlier than this drive.
So you're assuming that crossing route
that Wilfork picked off was going to be a touchdown? Otherwise we (hypothetically) score a TD with 7 minutes left.
They run off 3 minutes of clock or so on their next possession and we’ll assume that the defense gets their second stop of the day. Yeah it could have happened at that point, but you know what, it didn’t and wasn’t even close.
You can assume that we would score a TD, FG, onside kick, TD+2 all you want, but it didn’t come close to happening and we got blown out.
You Got Blown Out???...I Damn Sure Didn't!!!
Don’t worry about it…You quit before the 13 min mark!!!
What the hell are you even talking about
this makes no sense. Neither you or I was out on the field.
The Raiders got blown out in this game. Think about it like this, if we were up 31-13 and the Patriots score a garbage TD with 40 seconds left, didn’t we beat them pretty good?
You Should Take This Up With Someone Else....
I come from an engineering science background…You not up to establishing data with me….Maybe someone else will just take you at your word….Not my life’s history!!!
Really?
Because I’ve provided you with some data, and you respond with “what if the pass wasn’t intercepted” which would be a hypothesis to a different situation.
If you want to talk about data and science, lets try to find out the winning % for a team down 18 pts with 13 minutes to play
Ok, define a research objective for me
I’ll gladly search the data. There’s a reason people remember the Heidi game, its because it occurs to rarely.
Ya!!...Now I Understand's!!!
If a “D” gets run over and tightens up late it’s NOT the “D” playing up…It the “O” quitting!!!
The fact that you consider a FG
a victory is more than just a little upsetting.
Really!!...Well Than I'm Glad Your A Little Upset!!!...
What is the foolish crap???….Anytime a “D” limits the “O” to less tha a “TD” it’s a victory!!!
Yeah if you want to lose games...
You think the Baltimore Ravens are happy giving up FGs? Pretty sure Ray Lewis doesn’t like seeing anything but 0’s up on the scoreboard.
Tell Ya What...Take That Stupid Crap Up With Someone Else!!!
I’m already damn tired of your stupid damn arguments….You shit is a dumb as I have ever seen…Your just a total defeatist loser doomed before the game even starts….Like you said we hadn’t a chance in hell…So now you can go off and celebrate your “V”!!!
he'll bounce back
Our OL if giving him the right protection and he still is a top rated QB in the league…Sure he had a bad game with his back against the wall coming from behind against arguably the best team in the NFL….he get’s a couple plays back and this a win in oakland and you know it…hate all you want on Campbell but this guy has proven that he can turn around after a bad performance, and fight through adversity and turmoil, I mean what do you expect from the guy? A perfect game every week? I don’t know about you but I’m grounded in reality and I know even the greatest quarterbacks in history stink it up from time to time and it doesn’t mean they just completely collapse, it’s the law of averages man…have faith my friend!!! this is not the same old ANYTHING, this team is different and if you can’t see that than your blind
Disagree JT65
So he threw 2 interceptions. The game told me we, in fact, do have a passing game that continues to soundly develop. Even Manning can digress, such as when he threw 11 interceptions across 3 games. It seems as though you put the jury out on Jason before he really began to play.
I agree 100% Psycho.
The game was over after the 1st pick of the game but a few penalties & lack thereof stick out & seemed to prove the main keys to the loss. In big games against big competition you expect your best players to lead & at least show up. I understand maybe Dick didn’t hear a whistle on the 1st but to do it again on the same fucking drive is asinine. We were at 3rd & long on our end of the field on the Pats’ 1st drive when the play occurred & believe me Brett there was a whistle. We don’t pull that shit & the drive is over. Also the PI that was picked up was total BS. You would expect that to happen in Foxboro but in Oakland is BS. JC actually played well with the exception of those 2 bonehead plays. I can take solace in the fact in a game against a very good team everything that could go wrong did & should be enough mistakes to balance out all the good this team can do for the rest of the season including once we start facing division comp & the NFC North.
Trust No One
Studies show stress can kill you, but don't worry about it.
by TAW on Oct 5, 2011 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Taw, your analysis is reasonable and intelligent, I can't really argue against that.
However, I speak in terms of the bigger picture here. I mean, even Brady is supported after 4 interceptions. My view is on looking at how he continues to improve, and I don’t think many people can argue against the notion that the Raiders also have a passing game, not just a running game. So there was some passing yards at the end of the game that were garbage yards – big deal. The game was still generally a passing game and he had good numbers in this game and has shown a good passing game in other games as well, e.g., Buffalo. I don’t like to judge on a single performance, and prefer to look at what he has done overall, which is the big picture. I think he has been reasonably consistent, and what is important is that this is allowing the other players to develop an identity as synchronizing Raider players, something they have not had in years.
Sorry, a little confused Taw.
I said I disagree with JT65. You got into very specific analyses and I sort of lost track if you agreed 100% with me or were agreeing 100% with JT65 and I responded toward the latter rather than the former. Your last sentence really does say it all and I must say that one must pay close attention to a careful intelligent analyzer as yourself.
Those 2 stupid penalties by Seymour give the Patriots their first points and the int by Campbell before halftime killed the momentum for the rest of the game. We scored a TD before halftime, the defense would have stopped the Patriots from scoring any points before halftime. The opposite happened and with the Patriots getting the kick off at the start of the second half, game was over for us because they had the momentum.
I think it's time to shake things up with th LBs
I’m sorry but McClain is not performing very well for the most part. He’s a poor tackler, he’s moderate in pass coverage, and he takes terrible angles and he’s supposed to be the leader on defense and I find the defense looks lost all too often out there. I think we need to shake things up and see what other combinations could work for us. Too bad Goethel got hurt or we’d really get a good chance to see what he could be this year.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
We need some sideline to sideline LBs
The DL can only stop the run so much…good run defenses have LBs that can cover the gaps and seal the edges. We don’t have that right now and it’s painfully obvious.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
McClain is not playing well but with no OLBs flanking him he's being asked to do more than most MLBs and it is his 2nd year
But, I agree. His intensity, tackling and coverage is mediocre or worse.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Oct 3, 2011 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Really?
A couple times he out jumped Gronkowski for a pass deflection or two, maybe more. Against Gronk, thats pretty damn good.
I think you are underestimating him. He is so far an above average covering MLB, but with OLBs that are on our team that can’t cover well, and putting chekwa on welker or Porter, we lose the passing game. We can’t put much on McClain’s performance, since he actually did a good job while others didn’t do their jobs well.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I disagree with this assessment.
His intensity, tackling and coverage is mediocre or worse.
McClain is being asked to lead & play an entirely different type of defense then he was asked to do in college & is respectable. I am not calling him a young Ray Lewis by any means but he has nobody alongside him & our safeties are always banged up or out of position. He shows good range considering the lack of help he is working with.
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by TAW on Oct 5, 2011 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Your response does not address intensity, tackling or coverage. It only reiterates what was said in McClains behalf already
But, if you think his tackling and intensity are peachy then that’s your opinion and the world you live in.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Oct 6, 2011 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
+1, Buster Bluth
McClain needs the heat turned-up on his ar$$ hurriedly!! He is garbage; he should be traded while we can get something(s) of value,in exchange for his perceived statue!
Then, with Goethel out, we would have no LB at all. Maybe that's okay, we get several more Safeties and Quarter
4-0-7 as our base set. Makes perfect sense as Al loves DBs and seems to neglect LBs
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Oct 4, 2011 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, this game is what it is....
I was hopeful going in, but I think we all really knew down in our core that this was gonna be a big fat L, in fact i’d be willing to bet at least 85% of Raider fans figured this one was lost….but we can still pull positives outta this one for sure….teams learn alot about who they are when they play great teams and I don’t think the Raiders are and exception to that rule, the score definitely doesn’t show how close this game really was and I’m still proud of these guys….ya know, Campbell makes a little better throw, and we either get that waived flag back (or hue pounds it in on 4th down) this game is won 30-28 Raider…. again this team is 1-2 plays away from walking away with another win….and that’s a testament to this team, sure an ugly win with lots of work left on defense, penalties, and coaching, but still a win….
Wide open receivers being ignored for short gains. Maybe Jason needs to see an optometrist
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Oct 3, 2011 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Out Coached ,out played -out of our LEAGUE.
Stupid penalties , Death Ro calling out the Pats prior to the game . KEEP YOUR FUCKING MOUTHS SHUT, your penalties down and your minds on what you are doing. I hate Belechek but he made Hue look like a kindergartner ,anticipating his play calling and making CRITCAL adjustments for the 2nd half that Hue couldn’t adjust his way out of.you can’t even put us in the playoff hunt yet until we can be disciplined enough to play football not REVENGE time. Mr. Seymour fucked up ….. PERIOD. Once your leader plays like that repeatedly, the rest follow suit. The game was in hand until the penalties came into play. Then Belechecks adjusted game plan against us , and for them was the nail in the coffin. We better get our shit together before we meet the Texans , who ,by the way beat the defending AFC Champs on Sun. R.F.F.R.
Well Those Defending AFC Chumps Are Playing Like Crap So Far This Season...
Houston won’t just lay done for us and they also have a very powerful “O”….They can run that “Pig” on us so we desperately need to get that aspect under control….
By the way….What was our “D” scheme most of this game?….Any 5 man fronts?….
I never got to watch a fuckin thing!!!…Had a damn black out right about the time of the kick-off at the net-cafe…Ran back to my friends home at 3:00 am and turned on my LapTop w AirCard….GSM is so freakin slow I can’t hardly get the audio from the radio and than it also blacked out….All I had was NFL.Com’s Game Center that’s in a 5 min delay….Sucks!!!
not shadowing welker with routt all day long was just beyond idiotic
the ONE guy who can beat you. and did. again. and again. I was saying it so much that by the second quarter my kid knew it.
so, to sum up re football knowledge: a five year old girl > chuck bresnahan
and hue: the seven yard line IS NOT THE FUCKING GOAL LINE, LEAVE MCFADDEN IN. work with me people, my cussing from the cheap seats only goes so far.
just a waste of an opportunity- we had to play perfect ball and didn’t. o and one more thing: our vaunted d line better stop reading their press clippings and get after the passer. as I wrote this post, tom brady just threw a morning hump into gisele, read the morning paper, and hit welker for 27 yards over joe porter. fuckin a, we’ll be back though.
by lchristmas on Oct 3, 2011 8:50 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
We tried
They do this to every team 16 times a year. Lots of teams have tried to slow them down but with little success. It’s frustrating as hell watching Brady march down the field with completions to Welker all the time but that’s the truth. We tried to stop them and failed. Like lots of other teams in the league.
For what it’s worth, we kept Brady to 53% completion rate yesterday. He’s only been kept that low 1 other time in since beginning of 2010 season.
"Weakness on both sides is, as we know, the motto of all quarrels." -Voltaire
reply fail
the above post was meant as a reply to Ichristmas
"Weakness on both sides is, as we know, the motto of all quarrels." -Voltaire
but what was he on 3rd down?
the frustrating thing to me is that we did not take our best shot which if you missed my point was ROUTT ON WELKER. sorry I am still fired up….
if they beat that matchup you tip your cap. but watching joey and chimchek trying to cover the guy was killing me. its not like you dont know where its going.
by lchristmas on Oct 3, 2011 10:21 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
coaching has the responsibility of putting players in a position to succeed
defensively, we are going on about year 10 of NEVER doing it.
by lchristmas on Oct 3, 2011 10:23 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Not sure if you read this on the other post but this is what I think
Corkoran mentioned a couple of weeks ago that Al doesn’t like to move CBs during a game. This is why Nnamdi was always the right side cornerback regardless of which receiver lined up there. Apparently Nnamdi wanted to switch from time to time to follow the top receiver. I’m guessing that may have had something to do with Routt not being on Welker.
Either way we slice it man, yesterday’s loss hurts. I’m sure if you or I had any say in it we’d have Routt covering Welker. That’s not how the man wants it done.
"Weakness on both sides is, as we know, the motto of all quarrels." -Voltaire
Raiders Team Sabatoged
Don’t know how close all you viewer were watching the game but did you all happen to see who was making the most penalties for the Raiders? None other than the former Patriot himself Richard the back stabber Seymour. Yep, he wasn’t going to let his former team lose so he just found a way to play like he wanted to beat them and actually help them win.
So to that Richard Seymour just screwed up the Raiders decent season. They will now start getting worse instead of better. He has completely destroyed the teams confidence in themselves and now instead of see a much improved Raiders team you will all see the same team from the past 8 season, I am not counting the last season.
Anyway take along look at the standings from now until this coming Sunday because Houston will take them apart just like they did with Pittsburg that will make them 2-3, then Cleveland comes to Oakland thats and iffy, but Cleveland will win that because of The Raiders defense and all the penalties they like to make. So that will give them a 2-4 record. Next is Kansas who by the way is starting to make a comeback and Kansas doesn’t want to be beat by The Raider 3x’s in a row that will be another loss and will make it a 2-5 record going into the bye week. So Raider Fans Hue Jackson and Company screwed you all. The season is over. Get your money back for the season tickets and stop buy tickets for home games. This team will never ever be the same they were back in the 60’s 70’ 80
Vincent Cinzano
You're a fool, vincenzo. With no grasp on reality at all. Your mind has no home, no joyful dwelling, but wanders where the madness
takes you and there’s no telling where your wickedness will lead.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Oct 3, 2011 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
This is the stupidest post on this forum
Slap yourself in the face. You should be ashamed of yourself.
"Weakness on both sides is, as we know, the motto of all quarrels." -Voltaire
Don't lump me in with this guy
FIrst, I’m not a conspiracy theorist thinking Seymour backstabbed us to help the Patriots.
I also think we will have a winning record at the bye week. If Andre Johnson doesn’t play for Houston, we can gear up to stop Foster and I think we could win that game. If he does play, I have a lot less faith.
There’s a difference between what I do and completely illogical sky is falling nonsense like this.
I, for one, get where you're coming from Terps ...
And wouldn’t lump you in w/this Vincent Cinzano clown ;)
by Brett J Valjalo on Oct 4, 2011 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Thank you
I admit I have been critical/negative about the team, but I’m not going to predict a 2-14 season because we lost the game. We still have a decent chance this week, and then our schedule softens up a little.
If OAK were a stock, I’d be buying now.
WoW!!!...Are You Giving Us A Decent Chance This Week???...Why???
Against “NE” you gave us none…How did we get in it after such a failure as noted above by you????
“we got blown out.”
We did get blown out
NE > Houston. NE >> Houston without Andre Johnson.
Things change week to week, just because I don’t think we’re going to beat the (in my opinion) #1 team in the AFC doesn’t mean we won’t beat a good AFC team the next week.
And we did get blown out last week, most people here would agree with that.
Meh.... not me.
I depict blown out as getting man handled. They didnt really man handle us. It was mistakes that cost us the game really. It felt like the Raiders could have beaten the pats if they didn’t cause stupid mistakes.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
(have to think on this a little..)
I may have to agree with you, but even so, talent is nothing without discipline, and the raiders need to get that down. When they do, they are a playoff team for sure. No questions asked imo.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
THE RAIDERS NEED DISCIPLINE!
That’s no understatement. Because of the penalties, we can conclude they are the most undisciplined team in the league.
yep.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
...But we did get blown out.
That’s a fact even though we gained 500+ yds against the Pats D. It was a bad loss but again so many things went wrong against a good team the Raiders can learn from them, particularly JC.
Trust No One
Studies show stress can kill you, but don't worry about it.
by TAW on Oct 5, 2011 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
He's actually more similar to you
than he is to me. Blindly hating without reason, refusal to see the opposite side of arguments and overall hatred of the team.
He’s you, if you were a Chiefs fan.
Dude!!!....Is This What You Said: "I have respect for someone who can go out and hate on everything, "
Now your accusing me of Hating?….On What?
OK!!…I did hate on this: Quitting!!
"However, unless you believe in miracles, being down 31-13 with 13 minutes left is game over. In that situation, you stop congratulating the defense for getting stops/the offense for getting scores."
The post above was just a little sarcasm…But the message is very similar you gotta admit…
“Raider Nation Has Closed For the Season…Turn out the Lights The Party Over!!!!!”
You say quit with 13 mins left and he says quit at 2-n-2…..Same Same???
That was in reference to Skip Bayless (of ESPN First Take)
I can respect someone who can argue so vehemently against a superstar like Lebron James. I understand that ESPN is telling him to be as outrageous as possible on some of his stances, but he can always but together a coherent argument for why (insert player) is not good.
I never said to quit with 13 minutes left. You seem to be missing that. I said that in that situation, you have to start looking at stats from that point forward with a grain of salt. Sure its great that JC and DHB completed a 60 yard pass, but its a little different than if it was a a tie game with a minute left. I was arguing that the 4 defensive stops at the end of the game were somewhat discounted.
This guy is commenting about losing the season and all that nonsense not supported by anything. Regardless of whether you agree with me, I always give a reason, fact, data, etc. for whatever I’m arguing.
Michael Vick was right
Your column shows your ignorance. I sit in the black hole so let me fill you in on the facts about Richard Seymour setting the tone.
Third down and 9. Raiders up 3-0 after scoring on the opening drive. Tom Brady has already had to burn a time out because of the crowd noise which gets the crowd even louder. The ball is snapped but there was either a false start or delay of game on New England but the referees were not very quick in stopping the play. There is no way that Seymour heard that whistle. Tom Brady commented after the game that Seymour did not throw him down and didn’t think it equated to roughing. Instead of of offsetting penalties the fact that Seymour committed in essence a dead ball foul the officials marked off the penalty against the Raiders giving the Patriots a first down. They then went on to score.
I’m not going to engage in conspiracy theories or any of that stuff although I’d like to understand what prompted them to reverse a pass interference call against the Patriots taking the ball down to the 2 yard line. They had placed the ball and moved the chains. Please explain why they reversed that call?
Jason Campbell’s interception was a 10 point swing. Coach Jackson elected to punt when the Raiders were on the Patriot 40 on their 2nd drive of the game instead of having SeaBass try a “chip shot” 57 yarder (heck the dirt infield was even gone). The Raider players lost that game by their play but perhaps Michael Vick is correct when he says that there’s a different standard for different QB’s in the league. After all, the “tuck rule” was on the books but never called in 2002 and the inability to hit quarterbacks below the knees was a result of a season ending injury to Tom Brady, not Carson Palmer.
Just needed to put the situation in it’s proper perspective for those who are limited to watching out of context highlights on ESPN and the NFL Network.
bottom line is 504 yards of offense with only 19 points on the board, hard to believe but we did !
by sports with steve on Oct 4, 2011 8:43 PM PDT reply actions
There's a lesson and a warning in that statistic ... boggles the mind, sends shudders through the soul.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Oct 4, 2011 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I Think It Was Trying To Be Who We Arn't...A Passing Team Instad Of Running Team!!
“JC” is adequate in his successful role as a “QB”….Outside of that he’s inferior at best…And he wasn’t even under pressure!!!
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